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I attended an Apple seminar the other day ... pretty nice event ... very informative. At the end, everyone started to mingle ... I went to take a closer look at the products they brought. Among them was an iPod ... being demonstrated by an Apple exec. He was discussing all the features and nifty gadgets ... then all of a sudden, his tone seemed to change ...

"Some people seem to think that the port was meant for something else"

I looked up .... now actually interested in what he was saying ... "Whatever do you mean?" I asked ..... concealing my true identity as one of the top lieutenants of the infamous Appleinsider boards. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

"Well," he continued .. "Apparently, some other MP3 players use this type of headphone jack for an optional remote"

He went on explaining that this was never even considered for the iPod.

"I wouldn't think that you would actually mind that kind of talk" I quipped "I mean ... whatever keeps the conversation OFF the G5 ...."

silence :confused:

"The G5 ..." he seethed "...whatever that would be."

As his lackie took a step forward, I noticed the spread on the tables not far from us, not wanting to miss out on any of the good eats ... I figured I'd skip the congrats on squashing the cache integrity and multiprocessing bugs that where in the .5 revision of the chip for another day.

I new they got to Dorsal M ... they weren't going to get to me. I had to think of a way to disarm this stand off.

"That is like ... THE COOLEST mp3 player I've ever seen ... where can I buy one? :eek:

Soon enough, smiles where back on everyones faces.

What I don't understand is .. this guy was willing to deny that the modified headphone jack on the iPod wasn't for sub-space communications ... but wouldn't even acknowledge that a NAME for the G4's successor hadn't even been thought of? Not unlike trying to explain the infinite strengths the Mac has over the PC to Rubberducky ... I new some folks where just oblivious to reality. Besides, the truth is,this guy didn't really know anything more then I did.
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... or a drama forum. Soap-opera like... ah nevermind, we've already got a killer soap opera at AppleTurns
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Do you guys remember what Dorsal M just mentioned a little while back? No G5 but really fast G4's at 1.4 GHZ with an improved mother board.

Now, what are several other sites saying - no tru G5 but a really fast G4 at speeds up to 1.4 GHZ. Taken together with the fact that Moto says the G4 tops at 1.0 GHZ, the new G4+ will be the G5!
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post #7 of 38
Of course the guy knows what a G5 is-the G5 does exist,it's a chip that Motorola is working on.Whether or not it will appear soon in desktop computers,that is another question.Motorola has publicly announced the G5 for embedded systems.Don't get so worked up by a quip made at a party by an Apple executive.Trust me,Apple is working on G4,the only question is when will it be out.
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ANAND i think you might have it. Dorsal M. said they woulnd't be the g5 we expect and i am starting to believe him and thinkscret. I don't know if a g5 does come out it will be the totally redesigned g5. instead a beffed up g4. Now nothing is worng with that although I would rather them leave the name g4 if it is really a g4. I have one question. If they announce the g5 how will we know whether its a beefed up g4 or a g5. Unless they say its 64 bit which only the g5 would be how will we know until it ships.
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Ummm.. Hello? Rick1138 is right on. The only way Motorola can avoid producing a G5 is if they stop selling PowerPC processors. Does anyone see that happening?

It may not be at MacWorld. It may not be for a long time. But does anyone expect Motorola to get out of the embedded market altogether? They'll make a PPC8500, even if Apple folds tomorrow.
post #10 of 38
Cool Gut, even if that conversation took place, it doesn't mean a thing.

so the guy denied the remote control port on the iPod. This proves two things:
1. He knows about rumors. If he knows about the remote rumor, then he knows about the G5 rumor.
2. It's probably true that no remote was ever planned. That's why he denied it.

But he didn't deny the G5, in fact he didn't even acknowledge that he knew what it was. BS. This guy surfs the rumor boards and he knows full well what the G5 is.

I think this is actually good evidence for the G5 being near completion. He didn't deny it, because it's true! Apple's not going to lie about the G5, that would be illegal, so they just ignore it, like this guy did. When Apple does deny something, we know that they speak the truth. When they pretend something doesn't exist, then it probably does exist.

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Gotta find a way, to get away - I'd better waaaiiiittt.

uh, nevermind.
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I'll say this again,Motorola has already announced the G5.The main difference between the G4 and the G5 is that the G5 is 64 bit.The roadmap for OSX is that 10.5 will be 64 bit.Releasing a 64 bit OS would be a waste of time without a 64 bit chip.It's just a question of when...
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[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
<strong>denied the remote control port on the iPod. This proves two things:
1. He knows about rumors. If he knows about the remote rumor, then he knows about the G5 rumor.
2. It's probably true that no remote was ever planned. That's why he denied it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hold on.... There's code in the iPod for the remote. The remote was either planned and scrubbed or is still Planned for a new software release.

I think that's it's pretty obvious that Apple's plans for the iPod do/did not end where it is right now.

Two more reasons: iPod, can almost burn cd's as a stand alone device as it is now, there's a misteriously empty socket inside the device.

I don't think that they would use the headphone jack for the remote though, they use firewire for signal and power, they don't need to stop there.
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post #14 of 38
According to Motorola's updated roadmap the G5 will have both 32 & 64 bit parts.

The differences on the roadmap are the G5 will have some 64 bit parts, Rapid I/O, new pipeline, 0.13µ process and altivec is curiously missing from the G5 roadmap.

<a href="http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?nodeId=03M943030450467M983989030230" target="_blank">http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?nodeId=03M943030450467M983989030230</a>

If the new chip isn't 64 bit it could still be a G5, if it doesn't have Rapid I/O, etc. it isn't a G5.

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post #15 of 38
This doesn't mean anything for one very good reason...

Apple doesn't even share hardware info with it's own employees! I know someone who does work for Apple (software side) and from his reports the hardware stuff is kept pretty cloak-n-dagger even on the inside... Every once in a while I'll ask him to comment on some of the rumors and his honestly doesn't know... He has trusted me with less than public info before and he knows I don't go running off to spill the beans.

I'd say a good 90%+ of the folks working at Apple have little to no idea what the hardware folks are up to. Well that is until the 'reveal' is very close to a done deal. While he has never come out and said it I get the feeling new hardware info is distributed strictly on a need to know basis.

Just my .02 cents

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God I hope they don't dump altivec,that's really the best thing about Motorola's chips
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[quote]Originally posted by Rick1138:
<strong>God I hope they don't dump altivec,that's really the best thing about Motorola's chips</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think you're misreading that chart if you think Altivec is being dumped. I think each subsequent generation includes the feature of the previous generations. They don't mention Altivec with the G5 since the G5 has all of the features of the G4, in addition to new G5 features.



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post #18 of 38
Well another site says no g5. Macworld UK posted an article G% on backburner. A lot of the sites that said g5 would come out are retracting and saying it won't. I am now almost sure the g5 won't be out. That sucks though i think apple could have used it.
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[quote]Originally posted by Rmh1572:
<strong>Well another site says no g5. Macworld UK posted an article G% on backburner. A lot of the sites that said g5 would come out are retracting and saying it won't. I am now almost sure the g5 won't be out. That sucks though i think apple could have used it.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Guys guys guys ... slow down a little!

At this point, if the source for The Register and OSRumours is even half-way legit, then not even Steve Jobs himself knows what computers will be premiering in San Francisco...


[quote]"The chances of the Power Mac G5 debuting this January now depend entirely on how many G5 chips Motorola is able to Fab. Currently, yield average 4.5 chips per wafer. A production run of Power Mac G5's is tentatively scheduled on Dec 14 for the low-end, and Dec 20 for the Mid-range, and Jan 3 for the High-end machines. <hr></blockquote>


With that in mind, the latest leaks make perfect sense: The Dec 14 G5 run hasn't happened yet, and nobody knows for sure, so Moto and Apple are hedging their bets ... and lowering expectations with careful leaks and carefully chosen words about the G4 to put a nice frame around the whole thing just in case ... thus, if the G5 doesn't offer up sufficient yields for a January release - hey, the G4 Apollo ain't so bad ... and if the G5 works out, it's big happy surprise for everybody.

If there really is going to be a G5 production run on about the middle of this month, we'll probably get much clearer leaks then - one way or the other.

For now, we might as well do what Steve is probably doing: keep our fingers crossed.

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[quote]Originally posted by Rmh1572:
<strong>Well another site says no g5. Macworld UK posted an article G% on backburner. A lot of the sites that said g5 would come out are retracting and saying it won't. I am now almost sure the g5 won't be out. That sucks though i think apple could have used it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What sites...ThinkSecret? Alot of sites...no one knows, accept that.
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post #21 of 38
SDW I don't understand your post what does it mean
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Good Point overtoast
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[quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:
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What sites...ThinkSecret? Alot of sites...no one knows, accept that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

YourDailyMac, the Register kinda steps back from their G5 prediction. Like I said, I'm starting to get depressed
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post #24 of 38
i am getting depressed too but i always do there are always rumors and then rumors that down play the awesome rumors. Sadly the awesome rumors rarely come true. i still have some hope but so much points the other way. Moto said g5 would be for embedded chips. Now they very wellcould of not said and one for desktops because they want to let apple say that but o me its highly doubtful. I gues thereis always hope though <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
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[quote]Originally posted by Rmh1572:
<strong>i am getting depressed too but i always do there are always rumors and then rumors that down play the awesome rumors. Sadly the awesome rumors rarely come true. i still have some hope but so much points the other way. Moto said g5 would be for embedded chips. Now they very wellcould of not said and one for desktops because they want to let apple say that but o me its highly doubtful. I gues thereis always hope though <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Well everytime I get excited and dream about the G5 I think back to July. We saw the leaked photos and no one believed them because they were ugly. Everyone hope for faster machines, DDR and bus, etc but none came.

I just don't want to feel that same pain in Jan if I get too excited about anyone more than a plain old G4 at 1.0ghz.
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[quote]Originally posted by Rmh1572:
<strong>i am getting depressed too but i always do there are always rumors and then rumors that down play the awesome rumors. Sadly the awesome rumors rarely come true. i still have some hope but so much points the other way. Moto said g5 would be for embedded chips. Now they very wellcould of not said and one for desktops because they want to let apple say that but o me its highly doubtful. I gues thereis always hope though <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, that post made ALOT of sense.


There is this thing called punctuation now, BTW.

I meant that no one knows if the G5 is coming out or not....and we need to accept that.

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post #27 of 38
yea let downs suck. I know i should expect a g4 but man i really would like a g5 if nothing more than for bragging rights but I would also like to have one. Oh well if I do have to wait its ok but i just think apple needs the g5
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Sorry swd, I forget about punctuation. I never use it in IMs ,so i don't here.
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this is going to sound stupid and you likely won't believe a word I say but a very reliable "source" has told me that the G5 is definitely coming out at MWSF and that the new iMac will have a G4.
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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>this is going to sound stupid and you likely won't believe a word I say but a very reliable "source" has told me that the G5 is definitely coming out at MWSF and that the new iMac will have a G4.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Please for the love of God be telling the truth!!!
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post #31 of 38
Really Applenut? That's interesting, considering that I cannot remember you EVER bullsh1tting anyone here at these fora.

That's the same thing I predicted, and I'm still hoping, but Moto's announcement suggested to me that they ran into some fabrication problems.
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What exactly happnes in fabrication? Applenut if you are telling the truth I so can't wait. I can't remember you ever starting rumors but i could be wrong. Although JD obviously remembers similarly. In MOSR and REGISTER they said production runs would be dec. 14. If they started mass production why would they wait till then to do one production run. I don't know much about this stuff so if I am way off base correct me and tell me what happens.
post #33 of 38
Hmm.
Mass production of 7460s -&gt; to ship in LCD iMacs, shipping at MWSF.

Test run of PowerMac G5s on Dec. 14 -&gt; to ship officially at MWT (but announced at MWSF)....

That's an idea.

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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>this is going to sound stupid and you likely won't believe a word I say but a very reliable "source" has told me that the G5 is definitely coming out at MWSF and that the new iMac will have a G4.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Alright guys, you may disagree, and applenut and I have had it out on these boards numerous times over various things....but I HAVEN"T known him to post anything like that and not mean it. Details, please, mr. applenut. Are you serious?
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post #35 of 38
I'm beginning to think there's a reasonable chance of some really fast macs showing up.

The number 1.4Ghz is appearing in several places, and I personally don't care if they call it a G4, a G5, or a horse's a$$. Any way you slice it, that's fast.

If it really is a G5 that's going to ship in the towers, a G4 iMac would not be unreasonable, especially since we know Apollo will be shipping soon. If true, I'd expect to see some Sahara G3s appearing an iBook near you before summer.

All wishful thinking, however, the lack of concrete denial on the G5 front (all the so-called denials are sounding very weak), gives me some hope.
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I'm gonna address that Moto guy's G4 statement where he said something along the lines of "The G4 still has a lot of life left in it."

Ok, when the original iMac came out, Apple really stressed how it didn't use yesterday's technology since it utilized the (then) fairly new and all powerful G3 processor. They even did bakeoffs with it against Pentium and AMD machines. (When was the last time you saw THAT with an iMac? ... yeah. Its been a while.

I have a feeling Apple wants to continue the orinigal idea of the iMac they had (having advanced technology in the hands of consumers) by finally putting a G4 in the iMac line. Do you think Apple would want Motorola to come out and say, "Oh the G5 is awesome, but the G4 is dead and its yesterday's technology." right before Apple introduces a new iMac with a G4?!?! That really wouldn't sound too good with Moto declaring the G4 as outdated. People would think, "Well this iMac is cool, but I heard somewhere it has an older processor that isn't very powerful any more."

Think about it.
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[quote]Originally posted by DaveGee:
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Apple doesn't even share hardware info with it's own employees! ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

DaveGee is right, I have a friend who was the product manager for the iMac and iBook in Canada and he's always as surprised as the rest of us when his new products are finally unveiled.
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[quote]Originally posted by frankyjoe:
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DaveGee is right, I have a friend who was the product manager for the iMac and iBook in Canada and he's always as surprised as the rest of us when his new products are finally unveiled.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Really? He had no clue at all?
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