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post #81 of 127
Bullcrap. You must not own a 360, and it shows. I've watched movies and it's loud at all. You must watch you movies with the volume down with closed captions on. When will you dolts realize that competition is good for us, the consumers.
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Yes.. watching movies would be dreadful.... rather like sitting in a jumbo getting ready to take off..
post #82 of 127
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Originally Posted by msantti View Post

I have both. I love both. I would probably be more apt to rent movies via the Apple TV but having the choice is nice and the the PS3 might have a movie that is not available on Apple TV.
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If you had neither now, would you buy both a PS3 and ATV? If so why?
post #83 of 127
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I use it, it works fine

OK, that makes two people that I've heard use it, you and I. It didn't work very well for me, and there was no support or troubleshooting guides to help me.
post #84 of 127
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Originally Posted by solsun View Post

Not a chance.. As Apple has proven time and time again, It's not just features, it's the software. The iTunes integration alone offers something those other devices will never be able to offer. Add to that the portability with the content via iPods, iPhones, Macs and PCs.. You certainly can't take a tv show you bought on your XBox 360 with you on your Blackberry, but you CAN take a tv show you bought on iTunes/Apple Tv with you on your iPod/iPhone.. That is a huge benefit only available within the Apple ecosystem..

You CAN take a standard def TV show or movie bought or rented from the PS Store and put it on your PSP (HD content cannot be moved for either Sony or Apple). So portability is ALSO available within the Sony ecosystem. Plus you can stream audio and video content from the PS3 to the PSP over wi-fi connections.
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Coulda, shoulda, woulda.
BTW-What's the USB connector in the back for?

It's for servicing, but agreed it should be opened up.
post #86 of 127
I own all 3 - ATV, PS3, and XB360.

I no longer use the ATV at all. My preference is PS3, followed by XBox, followed by ATV.

Reasons:
1) Formats - Most of my collection is in formats that ATV refuses to recognize. Lots of AVI DIVX. Since the TV in the Family room only has so many inputs the ATV was banished off to a secondary TV

2) Noise - After abandoning the ATV, I choose PS3 mostly because it is much quieter than the XBox. The XBox fan really interrupts the quiet parts of a movie.

3) PS3 Errors - There are about 10% of my collection that for some reason the PS3 says are unsupported but they play fine on the XBox. So when all else fails, I go to the XBOX. Since the XBOX plays all sometimes I'm tempted to forget the noise and start there.

For me, if the ATV won't play all formats it will one day go off to Ebay. Once you devote your TV's input to other devices the ATV interface doesn't matter at all; it's gone.
post #87 of 127
[QUOTE=CG81;1279384 My friend has a mac mini in his living room and it is much better than an apple tv. (granted thats expensive) The point is what everyone wants (if you just think about it) is a computer hooked up to your tv. Well what if the computer IS the tv. Just make it so you can upgrade the normal stuff like HD and ram and everyone will be happy. Why hasn't apple done this already. Thats the way to get into the living room. With their design and integration it would surely sell.[/QUOTE]

No. The vast majority of people not on this message board do not want to deal with a full desktop OS when trying to simply watch a movie. Regarding Mac Mini vs. AppleTV, I chose ATV because Mac Mini has no Hi Def output (HDMI or component), so that would be a waste for all of these nice new shiny 50" TVs.
post #88 of 127
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Originally Posted by steviet02 View Post

Yes, you need a DVI to HDMI cable and a seperate audio cable, audio is not run through the DVI connection. I have a MacBook hooked up to a samsung like that, I think apple sells the DVI to HDMI cable, yuou then just need an HDMI cable.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the passthru is NOT hi def with this connection. certainly the audio will not be.
post #89 of 127
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That's not a problem, that's the reason it is the market leader..

What is the AppleTV the market leader in? The media extender market? If you're going to narrow it down to that, well, then being the leader isn't exactly an impressive feat. As the saying goes, that's like being the tallest person at a midget convention.

Since the XBox 360 and the PS3 can both do nearly everything the AppleTV does (just missing YouTube but you can watch that in the PS3's browser) plus other features the AppleTV lacks, wouldn't that potentially put them in the same market? And so both have roundly outsold the AppleTV, wouldn't really make one of them the market leader? Heck, even my TiVo can do pretty much everything an AppleTV can do (plus the obvious addition of DVR features) and the HD version is getting YouTube in the fall so it will be even more on par with the AppleTV. And it has likewise outsold the AppleTV.

AppleTV the market leader? Only when you define the market so narrowly that the AppleTV is practically the only product in the category.
post #90 of 127
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Originally Posted by nefrocatracho View Post

No. The vast majority of people not on this message board do not want to deal with a full desktop OS when trying to simply watch a movie.

There's this thing called "Front Row" that plays movies rather nicely. Plus, other media center software options that don't come with the OS.
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Regarding Mac Mini vs. AppleTV, I chose ATV because Mac Mini has no Hi Def output (HDMI or component), so that would be a waste for all of these nice new shiny 50" TVs.

?!?!? DVI digital video output is identical to HDMI. You can buy a cheap adapter.
post #91 of 127
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Originally Posted by nefrocatracho View Post

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the passthru is NOT hi def with this connection. certainly the audio will not be.

??? what do you mean by "hi def", in particular with respect to audio, where I think that term was last used in the 1970's? Unless you have a G4 mini, just run an optical cable from the audio out.
post #92 of 127
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What is the AppleTV the market leader in? The media extender market? If you're going to narrow it down to that, well, then being the leader isn't exactly an impressive feat. As the saying goes, that's like being the tallest person at a midget convention.

Since the XBox 360 and the PS3 can both do nearly everything the AppleTV does (just missing YouTube but you can watch that in the PS3's browser) plus other features the AppleTV lacks, wouldn't that potentially put them in the same market? And so both have roundly outsold the AppleTV, wouldn't really make one of them the market leader? Heck, even my TiVo can do pretty much everything an AppleTV can do (plus the obvious addition of DVR features) and the HD version is getting YouTube in the fall so it will be even more on par with the AppleTV. And it has likewise outsold the AppleTV.

AppleTV the market leader? Only when you define the market so narrowly that the AppleTV is practically the only product in the category.

Didn't you know it's the market leader in iTunes media transfers?
post #93 of 127
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Originally Posted by iVlad View Post

1. I don't see XBox nor PS3 to be a competitors to Apple TV. Maybe its just me or not, but I see Apple TV targeted towards Family Audience and XBOX and PS3 towards younger generation and teenagers.

I can't see Parents using their kids PS3 to rent movies, kid is not gonna like it because he/she will want to play, so Parents will just get Apple TV for their own use.\



2. To fight back, Apple just have to make Apple TV compatible with Games and other Apps and make Apple Remote into a Wii like pointer with Accelerometer.


Both systems, especially the PS3, can act a full-fledged enteratinment systems...not just a "kids game machine". My wife an I have an PS3 which acts as a Blue-Ray player, Music Hub, Game Machine, Back-up Storage, and now Video Rental Machine (the lineup needs improvement).

I am sorry, but the Apple TV will never be capable of playing games at even half the level of the PS3 and Xbox ...it is weaker than a standard Mac Mini
post #94 of 127
Just go buy the DVD and convert it natively to be added to your AppleTV NAS drive you have slaved off somewhere.
post #95 of 127
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OK, that makes two people that I've heard use it, you and I. It didn't work very well for me, and there was no support or troubleshooting guides to help me.

I purchased it when they first released it, I had some trouble initially, but the updates fixes those quite fast. I user the uPNP server on my ReadyNAS more, but the MediaLink one works well when I use it, plus you get the tumbnails on videos
post #96 of 127
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Originally Posted by DirtyBoots View Post

I bought a PS3 mainly for Blu-Ray and games. I was thinking about getting an AppleTV, but then I realized that the PS3 plays DivX movies. You can put your movie files on a simple thumb drive pop it in, and start playing them straight from the thumb drive.

I have no use for the AppleTV now. It doesn't have enough features to make it worth it... and the fact that you have to hack it to get it to play DivX files is nothing but a pain and it's main flaw in my opinion. And yes I know you can convert the DivX movies to mp4, but that is a complete waste of time.

Unless it gets a DV-R and the ability to play files other than mp4, I would say AppleTV is dead in the water after these features from Sony and Microsoft.

Most DivX movies are pirated downloads - are people who do this suddenly going to start buying/renting via iTunes? I also notice that you never actually used the AppleTV, instead basing your purchase on 'features' so you'd have missed the key advantage of AppleTV i.e. HOW it works.

I don't think you were ever destined to become an AppleTV owner.

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post #97 of 127
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Being able to play material from my iTunes on my TV is not worth $229 to me. And it's not going to be worth it to a lot of people considering how the economy is going. Apple has already scaled back it's push of AppleTV. The writing is on the wall. It might stick around, but the promise it had has died out because Apple was slow to add features and get rid of their love of proprietary formats.

The only people who will buy this are apple fanatics or people who are computer illiterate and can only deal with something when it's beyond easy. AppleTV has lost almost all of it's sex appeal in the consumer media player market over the past year.

I have to confess AppleTV will make more sense if you have a Mac. The flow of home movies to iTunes, photo & music mangement is smoothly integrated and that's before renting anything.

There are two key things that I think will help & hinder AppleTV:-

Help
Consumer broadband capacity caps will deter all but the hardiest bit-torrenters and the swarms will dry up much quicker. This will effectively kill the DivX/AVI content source and eliminate the format argument (which could be remedied with a right-click/convert to iPod anyway - so was always nonsense). It will also steer people to legit downloads to reduce impact on their allowance

Hinder
The media giants have learned their lesson with Apple and they will try to hamstring Apple by content restiction. With it's primary function hampered consumers will be tempted by other trinkets and both XBox/PS3 have more

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post #98 of 127
First of all the xbox 360's media market place isnt new it has been around as long as the 360 and it is huge! Its allready bigger then the Apple Tvs user base, and it always will be.

as far as Apple goes i am a fan But just because i like apple doesnt mean i cant see though their crap And the apple tv in my opinon a bad product. Im not a fan of it i think its a stupid device.

I love the Xboxs Media market place and use it often. PS3's home is a cheap rip off of that and thats all Sony's PS3 is a Blu-ray Player With Rip offs. Sony wont be able to catch up with Microsofts Market share in the Console home media.

And as far as Xboxs new avitars i dont like them. but hey what can i do about it

That is just my opinion, I dont hate apple infact im waiting on the update to get a Macbook.

So dont call me a hater or fanboy because im not i love apple and microsoft equilly


What do you all think of that?
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Originally Posted by McDave View Post

The media giants have learned their lesson with Apple and they will try to hamstring Apple by content restiction. With it's primary function hampered consumers will be tempted by other trinkets and both XBox/PS3 have more

McD

Or Apple could invite the media giants into the AppleTV by opening it up to their streaming clients. Netflix and the BBC would both love to put their own players on the AppleTV. And it would take away the studio gripes about Apple trying to dictate their prices if they had their own client and dealt directly with the consumers. They could stand or fall on their own mistakes. Maybe an AppleTV App store?

My biggest complaint with AppleTV Take 2 is how iTunes Store centric it is. i bought the AppleTV last year as a simple way to get video from my iMac to my TV. But with Take 2 my personal store is secondary, almost hidden in the iTunes Store front end that the AppleTV has become. (And don't say I should have used a Mini. I tried and didn't like the result. I was suck using component video and the screen was to damn small to be usable.)
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post #100 of 127
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Connect360 and medialink haven't worked so well for me. One of them would work for 10 minutes then sponaneously corrupt itself, and support is useless, there's no troubleshooting help. I don't think the other one worked for me at all.

I had high hopes for them as I had a PS3 but no ATV, but they just didn't work for me. I still hope to get an ATV, but I need to get or replace other equipment to accommodate it, making it a $450 upgrade for me.


Are you trying to use it wirelessly? I have found that it works only when my mac is connected to my router via ethernet cable.
post #101 of 127
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OK, that makes two people that I've heard use it, you and I. It didn't work very well for me, and there was no support or troubleshooting guides to help me.

Email them. They answer right away. (Nullriver)
post #102 of 127
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Originally Posted by lamewing View Post

Both systems, especially the PS3, can act a full-fledged enteratinment systems...not just a "kids game machine". My wife an I have an PS3 which acts as a Blue-Ray player, Music Hub, Game Machine, Back-up Storage, and now Video Rental Machine (the lineup needs improvement).

I am sorry, but the Apple TV will never be capable of playing games at even half the level of the PS3 and Xbox ...it is weaker than a standard Mac Mini


I have said it many times before and it's happening now: Apple's ignoring the gaming industry will come back to bite it on the ass. Many potential PC switchers that I know won't switch to a mac because it's no good for gaming. And now the consoles are already in more houses than ATV will ever be and they are now going to be stealing even more movie and tv show rentals from ATV.

And it's too risky too jump in the console war now with the competition being so intense. It would cost too much money. They need to focus on making the macs more game worthy at the very least. So they could have some of the profits.
post #103 of 127
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Or Apple could invite the media giants into the AppleTV by opening it up to their streaming clients. Netflix and the BBC would both love to put their own players on the AppleTV. And it would take away the studio gripes about Apple trying to dictate their prices if they had their own client and dealt directly with the consumers. They could stand or fall on their own mistakes. Maybe an AppleTV App store?

My biggest complaint with AppleTV Take 2 is how iTunes Store centric it is. i bought the AppleTV last year as a simple way to get video from my iMac to my TV. But with Take 2 my personal store is secondary, almost hidden in the iTunes Store front end that the AppleTV has become. (And don't say I should have used a Mini. I tried and didn't like the result. I was suck using component video and the screen was to damn small to be usable.)

I have to admit the design of Take2 makes your own content take a back seat (or would putting "My..." at the top of the menus fix this?) though I think opening the platform would only exacerbate the problem. No you shouldn't use a Mini - that's just for people who like to play (though can't you drop the resolution if you have a smaller screen in Front-row?).

I think there are still too many issues with streaming and the internet's general inability to deliver it to Apple's customer expectations - fine for YouTube nonsense but not good for a serious movie. They should lighten up on the variable pricing now the die has been cast.

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post #104 of 127
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Originally Posted by McDave View Post

Most DivX movies are pirated downloads - are people who do this suddenly going to start buying/renting via iTunes? I also notice that you never actually used the AppleTV, instead basing your purchase on 'features' so you'd have missed the key advantage of AppleTV i.e. HOW it works.

I don't think you were ever destined to become an AppleTV owner.

McD

Good job assuming sh*t from something I never posted. My parents own an AppleTV. They bought it right when it was introduced. I was the one who set it up for them. They used it for about a week or two. Then they realized their cable box is a lot easier to rent movies from using On Demand. A lot better selection as well. Now the thing sits there collecting dust. There is no advantage to it over the cable box for renting movies, and now no real advantage over a PS3 or XBOX360 as well. I also updated the machine to the Take 2 software and didn't see anything really worth a damn to make a difference. Wow, YouTube videos, only harder to navigate and search than just using a computer.

Competition is good, especially if it is advancing technology and possibilities. Apple is lagging behind with the AppleTV compared to the other systems now. If you want to be an Apple zealot then go for it. But when something is not living up anywhere near to their expectations, I am going to call it out. Have fun drinking the Kool-Aid.

And yes I occasionally download "pirated" movies. If the movie is good, then I will buy a hard copy of it on DVD or Blu-ray. If the movie sucks, I'm glad I saved my $3-20 to spend on something other than a piece of sh*t. The music industry has had to deal with that reality for a decade now. It's about time Hollywood did as well.
post #105 of 127
I own both the xbox 360 and apple tv. I think they serve very different purposes. xbox 360 right now is a game machine with certain media center functionality bolted on...The UI and navigation is several notches below apple tv... which is why they overhauled the UI to resemble apple tv. We'll see when that comes out... but right now, it's not close. It will work for xbox 360 owners... but won't fly for the non-gear heads.

The appletv, while lacking certain critical media features, has other features not in the PS3/xbox 360. And for what it does, it does it very well. If you bought into the whole itunes ecosystem, then the apple tv is give you quite a bit of bang for the buck:

Can't do this on xbox 360/ps3:
1. Display itunes/flicker/mobileme photos (accompanied by music and nice transitions) With a few clicks, my dear old grandma is watching my personal flickr photostream. Could I teach her the xbox 360...? nope.

2. stream audio/video podcasts on demand. This is very cool... they are lots of video podcasts i watch every night: network news, cnn, meet the press, g4, etc... since ps3/xbox360 sell their systems at a loss or near loss... there is no incentive to drive users to free content.

3. Control my media from anywhere in my house using iphone. I wake up and start playing my morning mix from my bed.

4. Internet Radio. Most people don't know how to do this... just add radio stations to a playlist and then sync... voila.

5. Youtube content. Youtube is growing enormously and whenever someone comes over and says did you see that one clip? i'm like hold on, and then wihtin seconds we are watching the 320x240 content on my 42". still not bad!

6. Works with itunes! I'm heavily invested in itunes... and it's not worth switching to another paradigm to get content onto xbox 360 / ps3.

Since I don't have a 1080P tv, just 720P. I am content to gaffle what I can on the torrents...convert, then play. So movie rentals, HD content, blueray are not critical.
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Good job assuming sh*t from something I never posted.

Yes you did...
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I was thinking about getting an AppleTV, but then I realized that the PS3 plays DivX movies....My parents own an AppleTV....I was the one who set it up for them.

The truth is...
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And yes I occasionally download "pirated" movies. If the movie is good, then I will buy a hard copy of it on DVD or Blu-ray. If the movie sucks, I'm glad I saved my $3-20 to spend on something other than a piece of sh*t. The music industry has had to deal with that reality for a decade now. It's about time Hollywood did as well.

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I was thinking about getting an AppleTV, but then I realized that the PS3 plays DivX movies...You can put your movie files on a simple thumb drive pop it in, and start playing them straight from the thumb drive.... and the fact that you have to hack it to get it to play DivX files is nothing but a pain and it's main flaw in my opinion. And yes I know you can convert the DivX movies to mp4, but that is a complete waste of time....Unless it gets a DV-R and the ability to play files other than mp4

Heavy justification for your "occasional" download - try again!


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The writing is on the wall. It might stick around, but the promise it had has died out because Apple was slow to add features and get rid of their love of proprietary formats.

Such as what? That MP4/AVC you mentioned?

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I am going to call it out. Have fun drinking the Kool-Aid.

Straight-talking, yet not.

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I own both the xbox 360 and apple tv. I think they serve very different purposes. xbox 360 right now is a game machine with certain media center functionality bolted on...The UI and navigation is several notches below apple tv... which is why they overhauled the UI to resemble apple tv. We'll see when that comes out... but right now, it's not close. It will work for xbox 360 owners... but won't fly for the non-gear heads.

The appletv, while lacking certain critical media features, has other features not in the PS3/xbox 360. And for what it does, it does it very well. If you bought into the whole itunes ecosystem, then the apple tv is give you quite a bit of bang for the buck:

Can't do this on xbox 360/ps3:
1. Display itunes/flicker/mobileme photos (accompanied by music and nice transitions) With a few clicks, my dear old grandma is watching my personal flickr photostream. Could I teach her the xbox 360...? nope.

2. stream audio/video podcasts on demand. This is very cool... they are lots of video podcasts i watch every night: network news, cnn, meet the press, g4, etc... since ps3/xbox360 sell their systems at a loss or near loss... there is no incentive to drive users to free content.

3. Control my media from anywhere in my house using iphone. I wake up and start playing my morning mix from my bed.

4. Internet Radio. Most people don't know how to do this... just add radio stations to a playlist and then sync... voila.

5. Youtube content. Youtube is growing enormously and whenever someone comes over and says did you see that one clip? i'm like hold on, and then wihtin seconds we are watching the 320x240 content on my 42". still not bad!

6. Works with itunes! I'm heavily invested in itunes... and it's not worth switching to another paradigm to get content onto xbox 360 / ps3.

Since I don't have a 1080P tv, just 720P. I am content to gaffle what I can on the torrents...convert, then play. So movie rentals, HD content, blueray are not critical.

1) You could slap your pictures on a flash drive or probably even just leave them on whatever media your digital camera uses, plug it into the PS3, and in a few clicks she could be viewing them with music and nice transitions.

2) Assuming you subscribe to them in iTunes on your computer, you could stream those same podcasts to your PS3.

3) Buy a PSP and you can use Remote Play to control the playing of your media from anywhere in your house (or any place else in the world with wi-fi). Plus you can also stream media to your PSP (even content that would be streamed to the PS3 first).

4) Hmm, not sure if the PS3 can do that but the PSP can...

5) Point the PS3 browser to YouTube.com and watch what you want...

6) Well, that's sort of your own fault. It's one of the reasons I don't buy iTunes media because I don't want to be locked into one manufacturer's devices. Of course, all iTunes Plus content works just fine on the PS3. But since you don't mind converting stuff for AppleTV, you could always just burn all the DRM'ed music to CD and re-rip.

Since you're content stealing stuff from torrents, you'd have a lot less conversion to do with a PS3 as it can play a lot more formats than the AppleTV.
post #108 of 127
lots of good points. in looking at all the systems for TV's - all kinds, all brands - the biggest obstacle to widespread consumer popularity is the UI - the on-screen menu that requires moving a cursor vertically or sideways by clicking remote control arrows. it is especially bad - tedious really - when you have to enter letters that way one at a time with a onscreen keyboard. no one has solved this, and AppleTV uses the same approach now.

(you can hook up a bluetooth mouse and keyboard with the PS3 and maybe others, but few do. it doesn't feel intuitive.)

the secret to Apple's success has always been "It's the UI, Stupid."

so as Dan Dilger recommended in his AppleTV piece a month or two ago, the "revolutionary" UI change ATV should adopt is to fully link the iPhone/iPod Touch with it as a remote control. Couldn't Apple just load the iPod Touch software into AppleTV and use a bluetooth link to transmit the commands to it from the hand held iPhone/Touch someone is holding on the sofa? the Touch can already do everything ATV can, and much more - including
Safari web browsing and all the new Apps and games! the one technical difference is the screen resolution level which needs to be much higher (you can't literally just plug in or mirror your Touch on your TV and get a useable picture), but the ATV already has that issue solved.

all the other suggestions would help AppleTV too, but i think this is the key one. no other company's hardware could do it for several years, it would be unique and revolutionary. Apple could sell an awful lot of AppleTV/Touch combo packs at christmas! what a terrific gift that would be.
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well sure, any HTPC - mac or windows - can do a lot more than any "media extender" box. a lot of us have a Mini plugged into our HDTV for just that reason. you don't need a separate "server unit" like the way overpriced MS unit. the Mini does that network "sharing" function neatly. just add inexpensive external drives with tons of storage for your terabytes of media.

high-end PC's include cable cards and DVR too. a nice all in one package. and adds-on like Slingbox are available that have not been ported to mac yet.

but it's still Vista, and you have to play by MS rules. expect to be monitored, monetized, and DRM'd up the wazoo - forever.

sounds like you are a hobbyist who puts your own systems together. more power to you. admittedly, that ain't the mac way.

but HTPC's with all the bells and whistles are too complicated to set up for 80% of home consumers. heck, a majority probably can't even hook up a home theater receiver, and a lot never even figured out that old VCR. that's why the quest of all the media extenders is that simple box you plug and play, the one that 'just works.' maybe in the end it will be Sony and the others who physically build it all into the TV itself that ultimately win out.
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"So what? I'm speaking to people here (most whom are more than sophisticated enough). This isn't some hypothetical "will this sell to the public, blah blah." I'm talking about something already available right now."

that's cool. but my point - and the topic of this thread - was about the mass market addressed by AppleTV, the PS3, etc. so that was the 'so what'.

as to Vista DRM, sorry, but you will never be able to disable "Windows Genuine Advantage," nor the Vista enforced HDCP licensing pathway control inside your PC. and you don't even know what system use info is being reported back to MS - because MS refuses to disclose what it is doing!! MS has installed all the tools needed for big brother control of your media, without your consent, via Vista. they have not pulled the trigger yet and used them, fearing a backlash. but how sure can anyone be that they never will??

there ain't that stuff inside the Mac. some care about this, many don't.

added point: actually one good feature of AppleTV - which does include HDCP DRM built in somehow in its software (anything with an HDMI port has to) - is that it segregates that stuff separate and external from your Mac computer.
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How 'bout backing that up, buddy, huh? I have all of my DVDs ripped to my Mac and the Apple TV is the perfect device to serve all of that media to me on the big screen in my living room. I personally know others who do the same thing. Not worth it to you but worth it to me. And speaking as a 45 year-old gadget freak who's weathered many down-turns in the economy, that has never stopped me from purchasing anything that gives me pleasure.

jesus please get out of your parents basement and get a gf. is it really necessary to go all "wanna back it up buddy??? i'm so amazing because i have a giant tv with streaming content AND THAT GIVES ME PLEASURE."

stop talking like it's a huge deal. a lot of people have that. big tvs and movies. it's not special anymore, it's common. it's not exclusive to gadget freaks. our office accountant does it and she's like 60.

my point is, you're not a super-special rocket scientist gadget freak.
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post

added point: actually one good feature of AppleTV - which does include HDCP DRM built in somehow in its software (anything with an HDMI port has to) - is that it segregates that stuff separate and external from your Mac computer.

AppleTV supports it, but last I heard, HDMI doesn't explicitly require HDCP. There was a bit of a kerfluffle about that.
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Originally Posted by lifterus View Post

A lot has changed in the past 6 months. There are small sized, cheap PC motherboards with HD capable graphics chips built in. And with native HDMI (with embedded audio). For $350 or less you can put together a kick ass little system.

No, most people can't. But they can use an AppleTV

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post #116 of 127
the point about HDMI/HDCP is well taken. it is a bit more complex technically. From Wikipedia:

"HDMI can use HDCP to encrypt the signal if required by the source device. CSS, CPPM, and AACS requires the use of HDCP on HDMI when playing back encrypted DVD-Video, DVD-Audio, and Blu-ray Disc. The HDCP Repeater bit controls the authentication and switching/distribution of an HDMI signal. According to HDCP Specification 1.2 beginning with HDMI CTS 1.3a, any system which implements HDCP must do so in a fully-compliant manner. HDCP testing which was previously only a requirement for optional tests such as the Simplay HD testing program is now part of the requirements for HDMI compliance."

but as a practical matter, all the consumer gear you see with HDMI in/outs is in fact implementing HDCP DRM - if present in the content - in its processing, including AppleTV. and AACS is specifically and pervasively built in to Vista.
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haha omg u guys really are drinking the kool-ade! the iphone is never gonna become a big deal in the gaming industry. one reason? NO BUTTONS! the games all suck!
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Originally Posted by iVlad View Post

1. I don't see XBox nor PS3 to be a competitors to Apple TV. Maybe its just me or not, but I see Apple TV targeted towards Family Audience and XBOX and PS3 towards younger generation and teenagers.

I can't see Parents using their kids PS3 to rent movies, kid is not gonna like it because he/she will want to play, so Parents will just get Apple TV for their own use.\

2. To fight back, Apple just have to make Apple TV compatible with Games and other Apps and make Apple Remote into a Wii like pointer with Accelerometer.

What is this, 1985? Seriously, you need to get out of your cave and realise that gamers have grown up. The average age of a 360 or PS3 player is 25-35, which is an ideal age range for renting high-def movies online.

Maybe if you were talking about the Wii you would have more credability, but you're way off the mark here. You may also be interested to know that he PS3 is a damn good blu-ray player, the best on the market in fact.
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Originally Posted by shady104 View Post

haha omg u guys really are drinking the kool-ade! the iphone is never gonna become a big deal in the gaming industry. one reason? NO BUTTONS! the games all suck!

Have you heard of the Nintendo DS? Many of it's most successful games use the touch screen exclusively, such as Nintendogs, Brain Age, Phoenix wright, and Animal Crossing.

It's entirely possible to make a great variety of games on a touch screen, you just need to design for it.

And by the way, please drop the 'txt' speak, it's really childish and hard to read.
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I'm 39. I'm buying a PS3 for blu-ray, movie rental (if quality is good), and gaming for myself, my wife and three kids. To be fair, we may be in the minority because we don't view game consoles as babysitters, nor do we kowtow in scenarios where "the kid is not gonna like it."

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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

What is this, 1985? Seriously, you need to get out of your cave and realise that gamers have grown up. The average age of a 360 or PS3 player is 25-35, which is an ideal age range for renting high-def movies online.

Maybe if you were talking about the Wii you would have more credability, but you're way off the mark here. You may also be interested to know that he PS3 is a damn good blu-ray player, the best on the market in fact.

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Originally Posted by iVlad View Post

1. I don't see XBox nor PS3 to be a competitors to Apple TV. Maybe its just me or not, but I see Apple TV targeted towards Family Audience and XBOX and PS3 towards younger generation and teenagers.

I can't see Parents using their kids PS3 to rent movies, kid is not gonna like it because he/she will want to play, so Parents will just get Apple TV for their own use.\

2. To fight back, Apple just have to make Apple TV compatible with Games and other Apps and make Apple Remote into a Wii like pointer with Accelerometer.
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