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Washington Post

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Lured by an offer of interviews with the Democratic presidential candidate, Brian Williams, Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric will make the overseas trek, meaning that the NBC, ABC and CBS evening newscasts will originate from stops along the route and undoubtedly give it big play.

John McCain has taken three foreign trips in the past four months, all unaccompanied by a single network anchor.

This is to be understood because McCain wasn't the messiah going to the promised land.

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The senator from Illinois has been drawing far more media attention than his Republican rival from Arizona. With this week's Newsweek cover story on Obama's religious beliefs, he has been featured on Time and Newsweek covers 12 times in the past three years, compared with five for McCain. This week's New Yorker includes a 14,600-word piece on Obama's political rise in Chicago. Obama and his wife, Michelle, were recently on the cover of Us Weekly and were interviewed -- with their young daughters, which Obama later said he regretted -- by "Access Hollywood."

When McCain visited Britain, France and Israel in March and met with their leaders, no network anchors tagged along. NBC and ABC sent correspondents; CBS did not. None of the evening newscasts covered his trip to Canada last month. And McCain's swing through Colombia and Mexico two weeks ago was barely covered, although NBC and ABC sent correspondents.

The upcoming Obama trip, by contrast, has already generated stories about how large his crowds will be and whether German authorities will allow him to speak at the Brandenburg Gate. "Europe Awaits Obama With Open Arms," the Los Angeles Times reported yesterday.

It is rare to get an article that lays the bias out so starkly. Don't worry media, when you don't report news and instead report your agenda, I'm sure more people than ever will tune out and then we will get the real news that follows and cannot be ignored, more layoffs at all these newspapers, periodicals and bureaus.

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I could argue that the media is helping McCain by ignoring him. That way all the insane comments and bizarre facial expressions are kept off the air.

What do you expect tump'? Obama is a rock star and McCain is the grumpy old neighbor calling the cops on the garage band next door.
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OT: Some in the media have quit to work for Obama, so what's with the shock?

Dear me, one of the candidates for president has become the media darling. Who saw this coming from an articulate, bright, clean and a nice-looking guy?
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OT: Some in the media have quit to work for Obama, so what's with the shock?

Dear me, one of the candidates for president has become the media darling. Who saw this coming from an articulate, bright, clean and a nice-looking guy?

Just so I understand the rules...if some thing is true or factual is it a "smear"?
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I could argue that the media is helping McCain by ignoring him. That way all the insane comments and bizarre facial expressions are kept off the air.

What do you expect tump'? Obama is a rock star and McCain is the grumpy old neighbor calling the cops on the garage band next door.

Brilliantly well said. Honestly.

The press had been rockin' and rollin' and BBQin' with McCain all through the campaign for the "straight talkin'" man. Now that's over and ever since he got the nod, McCain is starting to become the demented drooling grampa. The press is backing off.
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Just so I understand the rules...if some thing is true or factual is it a "smear"?

As long as you can prove it.
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As long as you can prove it.

When did smoking become a smear? When did being named or going by Barry or playing basketball become a smear?

Some of those are legitimate concerns, but others are just... well normal.

Now if I really wanted to smear someone, I would do it right. I'd say he was talking down to me and thus I want to cut his nuts off and then declare he is a half-breed n*gg*r or perhaps an oreo or halfrican like critics on the left have done.

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Oh please, it's a fucking joke. Mydo already ended this thread anyway.
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What do you expect tump'? Obama is a rock star

Well, at least it is being acknowledged. Issues won't really matter, Obama will be the Access Hollywood/Entertainment Tonight president, if elected.

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As long as you can prove it.

Well, let's see...

"Hussein" - This is his middle name correct? That is a fact right?

Smokes Cigarettes - Well this was true until fairly recently.

No flag pin - Well he did go without it. I don't really care. I think its stupid either way.

Most liberal Senator - Not sure if this is factually true or not, or how it can be objectively determined, but why do liberals consider this to be a "smear"?

Tax-and-spender - Well from what I'ev read he wants to raise taxes and raise spending. Why is this a "smear"? He's quite open about these intentions.

Gun Grabber - Well, at least in Illinois he voted for a local hand gun ban. He's generally in favor of gun bans and strict limitations. Perhaps the phrase "gun grabber" could be considered a "smear" but is the illumination of his position considered a smear?

Plagiarist - Well "Words Matter" speech was certainly lifted from Deval Patrick's "Just Words" speech. Whether it was unauthorized or not we don't really know.

Socialist - Well, like the "most liberal Senator" charge, this one is difficult to ascertain in a purely objective way, but I would say that it's accurate to say that he's got a fairly strong socialist bent. Again, why is this a "smear"?
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Just so I understand the rules...if some thing is true or factual is it a "smear"?


Depends on how it's portrayed.
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It is that "I want universal health care but don't call me a socialist," smear.

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Depends on how it's portrayed.

Here is some change, but don't spend it on alcohol this time m'kay?

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This whole thread is a big pile of dog shit!!!

Every single aspect of it's premise is utter bullshit. McCain just had the worst week ever in his political life (last week) and he suffered ABSOLUTELY ZERO CONSEQUENCES. He didn't even fire Phil Gramm after calling Americans mental and suffering from psychological problems. The list goes on and on and on and on... Yet he got a giant stinking fucking PASS.

And then you start a thread like this. Are you fucking kidding me?

What was the media worried about last week? Obama's nuts. Whether or not Obama's was "only" going to raise $10M more than McCain and how that was a "baaaaaaad" thing. Wes Clark said something true and THE ENTIRE WORLD CAME TO A SCREECHING HALT.

Obama mentioned we ought to teach our kids more than one language. THE AUDACITY! THE ELITISMS! WHO DOES HE THINK HE IS! TRUE AMERICANS ONLY SPEAK ONE LANGUAGE GODDAMMIT!

But McCain can joke about killing Iranians with cigarettes and everyone giggles.

Trumpt, peddle your asinine BULLSHIT somewhere else.
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This whole thread is a big pile of dog shit!!!

Every single aspect of it's premise is utter bullshit. McCain just had the worst week ever in his political life (last week) and he suffered ABSOLUTELY ZERO CONSEQUENCES. He didn't even fire Phil Gramm after calling Americans mental and suffering from psychological problems. The list goes on and on and on and on... Yet he got a giant stinking fucking PASS.

And then you start a thread like this. Are you fucking kidding me?

What was the media worried about last week? Obama's nuts. Whether or not Obama's was "only" going to raise $10M more than McCain and how that was a "baaaaaaad" thing. Wes Clark said something true and THE ENTIRE WORLD CAME TO A SCREECHING HALT.

Obama mentioned we ought to teach our kids more than one language. THE AUDACITY! THE ELITISMS! WHO DOES HE THINK HE IS! TRUE AMERICANS ONLY SPEAK ONE LANGUAGE GODDAMMIT!

But McCain can joke about killing Iranians with cigarettes and everyone giggles.

Trumpt, peddle your asinine BULLSHIT somewhere else.


LOL I really like this post because it is so true. It got me to laugh because it is so laughably true every thing you say here!

So true yet so lost on the echo-chamber cheer leader republicans who sync up their brains with Sean Hannity on a daily basis and play their role as "Great American" fighting the real terrorists...

Those evil liberals!!!!! those radical liberals LOL

It is as if it is all satire now...

Should we laugh or cry?

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It's classic Republican campaigning. It's makes me want to vomit.

Take your biggest weaknesses and thrust them on your opponent.

McCain is a flagrant serial flip-flopping panderer like none other. What do you do? Make Obama the one with the problem.

McCain's got a huge elitism problem being married to a mult-million dollar, credit card spending, jet airplane owning wife. What do you do? Make Obama the unforgivable elitist. Oh, and his wife is un-American to boot.

McCain's got a HUGE memory problem, can't keep Suni and Shia straight, mentions Czechoslovakia twice after being repeated corrected. What do you do. Make Obama the "gaffe machine".

It's fucking retarded.

And they do it every time.

And they're successful. The media goes right along with it.

AND OBAMA'S THE ONE WITH THE ADORING PRESS! STRAIGHT TALKER. MARVERICK. KILL ME NOW!
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Here's another one that gets me.

McCain is currently ILLEGALLY accepting public financing funds even though he BLATANTLY is violating the law. Bush, of course, is covering for him. Think about. One of the presidential candidates is purposely and intention violating the law. And no one gives a shit.

But if you've watched the news or read a newspaper over the last couple weeks what did you hear? OBAMA FLIP-FLOPS ON CAMPAIGN FINANCE!

Nary a peep about McCain screwing the American people and violating his own goddamn bill. But, hey, he's a fucking war hero.
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This is why no one wants to see McCain in the news.

He's a horribly awkward old man who is out of his depth on almost every issue.
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Here's an example of the conservative media and how armed with reasons to vote republican this time.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...s-on-michelle/

Obama blames 'conservative press' for attacks on Michelle


We all know what the conservatives do when they don't have anything.

They attack the irrelevant!

How stupid ( or desperate ) is that?
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Here's another GREAT EXAMPLE of the double-standard...

McCAIN ATTENDED ZERO AFGHANISTAN MEETINGS IN TWO YEARS!

But what does the press talk about? They talk about Obama not holding any hearings at the sub-committee level on Afghanistan. Of course it doesn't matter that Joe Biden chairs the full-committee and he wants all hearings on Afghanistan to be held at the full committee level.

So what's the common wisdom out there?

Obama is disinterested in Afghanistan. McCain is the "expert".

I love this new Up-Is-Down Universe. Weeeeeee!!!!!
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Here's another GREAT EXAMPLE of the double-standard...

McCAIN ATTENDED ZERO AFGHANISTAN MEETINGS IN TWO YEARS!

But what does the press talk about? They talk about Obama not holding any hearings at the sub-committee level on Afghanistan. Of course it doesn't matter that Joe Biden chairs the full-committee and he wants all hearings on Afghanistan to be held at the full committee level.

So what's the common wisdom out there?

Obama is disinterested in Afghanistan. McCain is the "expert".

I love this new Up-Is-Down Universe. Weeeeeee!!!!!

It's the same old double speak logic they've used during the Bush administration. It's like Iraq = terrorists = 911= Invasion! If you say it enough together it becomes the same thing. However they just don't understand it doesn't work anymore. People are on to them so they'll have to come up with something else.
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This whole thread is a big pile of dog shit!!! Every single aspect of it's premise is utter bullshit.


Wait... is it dog shit or bullshit?? I was going to vote for Obama if it was dogshit, but then I heard this rumor that it was bullshit and now... I can't vote for the guy.

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McCain just had the worst week ever in his political life (last week) and he suffered ABSOLUTELY ZERO CONSEQUENCES. He didn't even fire Phil Gramm after calling Americans mental and suffering from psychological problems. The list goes on and on and on and on... Yet he got a giant stinking fucking PASS.

To get more than zero consequences, he would have to have more than zero coverage. If the media weren't so busy humping Obama's leg, they could actually get some reporting done.

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And then you start a thread like this. Are you fucking kidding me?

I'm masturbating kidding you.

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What was the media worried about last week? Obama's nuts. Whether or not Obama's was "only" going to raise $10M more than McCain and how that was a "baaaaaaad" thing. Wes Clark said something true and THE ENTIRE WORLD CAME TO A SCREECHING HALT.

I think Obama was a little worried about his nuts too. That Rainbow/Push coalition is a tough bunch.

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Obama mentioned we ought to teach our kids more than one language. THE AUDACITY! THE ELITISMS! WHO DOES HE THINK HE IS! TRUE AMERICANS ONLY SPEAK ONE LANGUAGE GODDAMMIT!

Yeah I mean sure everyone with more than two brain cells to rub together understood that it is entirely reasonable to expect immigrants to assimilate BEFORE we all become cosmopolitan enough to not care like Obama is, only he isn't... but hey look another diversion to note the messiah isn't walking on water very well.

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But McCain can joke about killing Iranians with cigarettes and everyone giggles.

Trumpt, peddle your asinine BULLSHIT somewhere else.

I do. However I am still confused, is it bullshit or dogshit? Also what do we call the replies of someone who relies to bullshit and dogshit? Are your replies the pure pooper scooper or pure poop bag?

Help me out here.

Help yourself out and start a new post so you can stop complaining about mine. Find some content, add something to it and post it here.

Jimmac will post some fragments that reflect his homeless nature.
Grove will curse at it and call you a pussy.
Shawn will show up and post something snarky if he isn't too drunk.
Northgate will post several rants in a row.
Oh wait, that is you.... um Addabox will post several rants in a row.
Fellowship will pop in with some platitudes.
Artman will post some pictures.
Jub will post some information and links.
I will post some information and links.
Brussell will post some information and links.
Midwinter will post some information and links..or might just be frustrated and post something snarky.

Rinse and repeat.

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Artman will post some pictures.



Goodnight.
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Fellowship will pop in with some platitudes.

At least my "platitudes" are better than the phrases we hear from this admin. / neocon cheerleaders as well as yourself.


"They hate us for our freedoms"
"You are either with us or against us"
"freedom fries"
"cut and run"
"the surge is working"
"mental recession"
on and on...

The only difference Nick is that you subscribe to and drink neocon kool-aide.

Just admit what everyone already knows.

ohhh wait, you will never do that as it is some kind of game of yours you like to play around here.



Never mind.

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At least my "platitudes" are better than the phrases we hear from this admin. / neocon cheerleaders as well as yourself.


"They hate us for our freedoms"
"You are either with us or against us"
"freedom fries"
"cut and run"
"the surge is working"
"mental recession"
on and on...

The only difference Nick is that you subscribe to and drink neocon kool-aide.

Just admit what everyone already knows.

ohhh wait, you will never do that as it is some kind of game of yours you like to play around here.



Never mind.

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Trumptman is way too fucking intelligent to believe half the shit he flings around here. He does it intentionally simply to get a rise out of everyone and then he giggles at what he wrought. It's sport. Nothing more.
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Your take is far too kind. He's got anger management issues, that's why he acts like a raging ninny.
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Wait... is it dog shit or bullshit?? I was going to vote for Obama if it was dogshit, but then I heard this rumor that it was bullshit and now... I can't vote for the guy.



To get more than zero consequences, he would have to have more than zero coverage. If the media weren't so busy humping Obama's leg, they could actually get some reporting done.



I'm masturbating kidding you.



I think Obama was a little worried about his nuts too. That Rainbow/Push coalition is a tough bunch.



Yeah I mean sure everyone with more than two brain cells to rub together understood that it is entirely reasonable to expect immigrants to assimilate BEFORE we all become cosmopolitan enough to not care like Obama is, only he isn't... but hey look another diversion to note the messiah isn't walking on water very well.



I do. However I am still confused, is it bullshit or dogshit? Also what do we call the replies of someone who relies to bullshit and dogshit? Are your replies the pure pooper scooper or pure poop bag?

Help me out here.

Help yourself out and start a new post so you can stop complaining about mine. Find some content, add something to it and post it here.

Jimmac will post some fragments that reflect his homeless nature.
Grove will curse at it and call you a pussy.
Shawn will show up and post something snarky if he isn't too drunk.
Northgate will post several rants in a row.
Oh wait, that is you.... um Addabox will post several rants in a row.
Fellowship will pop in with some platitudes.
Artman will post some pictures.
Jub will post some information and links.
I will post some information and links.
Brussell will post some information and links.
Midwinter will post some information and links..or might just be frustrated and post something snarky.

Rinse and repeat.

If I sound like a homeless man to you well........ you sound like a schoolyard bully who finally got some of his own medicine to me.
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Jimmac will post some fragments that reflect his homeless nature.
Grove will curse at it and call you a pussy.
Shawn will show up and post something snarky if he isn't too drunk.
Northgate will post several rants in a row.
Oh wait, that is you.... um Addabox will post several rants in a row.
Fellowship will pop in with some platitudes.
Artman will post some pictures.
Jub will post some information and links.
I will post some information and links.
Brussell will post some information and links.
Midwinter will post some information and links..or might just be frustrated and post something snarky.

Also Hassan will turn up for the first time in weeks and just giggle a bit at your public, undignified desperation at the prospect of Barack Obama winning the presidency.

Tee hee.
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Also Hassan will turn up for the first time in weeks and just giggle a bit at your public, undignified desperation at the prospect of Barack Obama winning the presidency.

Tee hee.

Oh Hassan, I do love that giggle of yours. Go run some bubbles in the tub love will you? I'll be in to shave your back in a minute.

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Oh Hassan, I do love that giggle of yours. Go run some bubbles in the tub love will you? I'll be in to shave your back in a minute.


Keep churning out those Obama threads Trumpy! That'll get em'.
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Keep churning out those Obama threads Trumpy! That'll get em'.

You are so nice jimmac. I'm going to buy you a dollar burger today for lunch and leave it next to your dumpster.

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It's classic Republican campaigning. It's makes me want to vomit.

Take your biggest weaknesses and thrust them on your opponent.

McCain is a flagrant serial flip-flopping panderer like none other. What do you do? Make Obama the one with the problem.

After vowing to eschew private fundraising and take public financing, he has now refused public money.

Once he threatened to filibuster a bill to protect telephone companies from liability for their cooperation with national security wiretaps; now he has voted for the legislation.

Turning his back on a lifetime of support for gun control, he now recognizes a Second Amendment right to bear arms in the wake of the Supreme Court decision.

Formerly, he told the Israeli lobby that he favored an undivided Jerusalem. Now he says he didnt mean it.

From a 100 percent pro-choice position, he now has migrated to expressing doubts about allowing partial-birth abortions.

For the first time, he now speaks highly of using church-based institutions to deliver public services to the poor.

Having based his entire campaign on withdrawal from Iraq, he now pledges to consult with the military first.

During the primary, he backed merit pay for teachers - but before the union a few weeks ago, he opposed it.

After specifically saying in the primaries that he disagreed with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clintons (D-N.Y.) proposal to impose Social Security taxes on income over $200,000 and wanted to tax all income, he has now adopted the Clinton position.

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McCain's got a huge elitism problem being married to a mult-million dollar, credit card spending, jet airplane owning wife. What do you do? Make Obama the unforgivable elitist. Oh, and his wife is un-American to boot.

So elitism is defined by how rich one is? Has Cindy McCain ever said America is a mean country? Has she ever said she was proud of her country for the first time in her adult life?

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McCain's got a HUGE memory problem, can't keep Suni and Shia straight, mentions Czechoslovakia twice after being repeated corrected. What do you do. Make Obama the "gaffe machine".

And Obama doesn't know what Memorial Day is.

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It's fucking retarded.

And they do it every time.

And they're successful. The media goes right along with it.

AND OBAMA'S THE ONE WITH THE ADORING PRESS! STRAIGHT TALKER. MARVERICK. KILL ME NOW!

North, if you can't see the MSM is 100% in the tank for Obama, then you're frankly as bad as they are. I've never seen anything like it. It goes beyond liberal bias. They are absolutely cheerleading for the guy. Meanwhile, no one is allowed to ask Obama questions about anything. Hit him on an issue he doesn't want to talk about, and you're "playing the politics of the past." Ask an Obama supporter why he supports him, and you'll hear CHANGE! BUSH! WAR!
HOPE!

CHANGE!

That's what's fucking retarded...that we actually might elect this guy President of the United States.
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• After vowing to eschew private fundraising and take public financing, he has now refused public money.

• Once he threatened to filibuster a bill to protect telephone companies from liability for their cooperation with national security wiretaps; now he has voted for the legislation.

• Turning his back on a lifetime of support for gun control, he now recognizes a Second Amendment right to bear arms in the wake of the Supreme Court decision.

• Formerly, he told the Israeli lobby that he favored an undivided Jerusalem. Now he says he didn’t mean it.

• From a 100 percent pro-choice position, he now has migrated to expressing doubts about allowing partial-birth abortions.

• For the first time, he now speaks highly of using church-based institutions to deliver public services to the poor.

• Having based his entire campaign on withdrawal from Iraq, he now pledges to consult with the military first.

• During the primary, he backed merit pay for teachers - but before the union a few weeks ago, he opposed it.

• After specifically saying in the primaries that he disagreed with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s (D-N.Y.) proposal to impose Social Security taxes on income over $200,000 and wanted to tax all income, he has now adopted the Clinton position.



So elitism is defined by how rich one is? Has Cindy McCain ever said America is a mean country? Has she ever said she was proud of her country for the first time in her adult life?



And Obama doesn't know what Memorial Day is.



North, if you can't see the MSM is 100% in the tank for Obama, then you're frankly as bad as they are. I've never seen anything like it. It goes beyond liberal bias. They are absolutely cheerleading for the guy. Meanwhile, no one is allowed to ask Obama questions about anything. Hit him on an issue he doesn't want to talk about, and you're "playing the politics of the past." Ask an Obama supporter why he supports him, and you'll hear CHANGE! BUSH! WAR!
HOPE!

CHANGE!

That's what's fucking retarded...that we actually might elect this guy President of the United States.

Maybe they're cheering because what we've had for 8 years has been so bad?

Well let's see we'll have to add " Fucking retarded " to the list!

So back from your vacation? Does this mean you'll be answering some of the questions that have been asked of you a month ago?
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Because I'm not a conservative...whole article, for the lazy or cynical among us...

I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama

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BY LARRY HUNTER

Wednesday, July 16th 2008, 7:39 PM

I'm a lifelong Republican - a supply-side conservative. I worked in the Reagan White House. I was the chief economist at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce for five years. In 1994, I helped write the Republican Contract with America. I served on Bob Dole's presidential campaign team and was chief economist for Jack Kemp's Empower America.

This November, I'm voting for Barack Obama.

When I first made this decision, many colleagues were shocked. How could I support a candidate with a domestic policy platform that's antithetical to almost everything I believe in?

The answer is simple: Unjustified war and unconstitutional abridgment of individual rights vs. ill-conceived tax and economic policies - this is the difference between venial and mortal sins.

Taxes, economic policy and health care reform matter, of course. But how we extract ourselves from the bloody boondoggle in Iraq, how we avoid getting into a war with Iran and how we preserve our individual rights while dealing with real foreign threats - these are of greater importance.

John McCain would continue the Bush administration's commitment to interventionism and constitutional overreach. Obama promises a humbler engagement with our allies, while promising retaliation against any enemy who dares attack us. That's what conservatism used to mean - and it's what George W. Bush promised as a candidate.

Plus, when it comes to domestic issues, I don't take Obama at his word. That may sound cynical. But the fact that he says just about all the wrong things on domestic issues doesn't bother me as much as it once would have. After all, the Republicans said all the right things - fiscal responsibility, spending restraint - and it didn't mean a thing. It is a sad commentary on American politics today, but it's taken as a given that politicians, all of them, must pander, obfuscate and prevaricate.

Besides, I suspect Obama is more free-market friendly than he lets on. He taught at the University of Chicago, a hotbed of right-of-center thought. His economic advisers, notably Austan Goolsbee, recognize that ordinary citizens stand to gain more from open markets than from government meddling. That's got to rub off.

When it comes to health care, I am hoping Obama quietly recognizes that a crusade against pharmaceutical companies would result in the opposite of any intended effect. And in any event, McCain's plans in this area are deeply problematic, too. Take drug reimportation. McCain (like Obama) says he's perfectly comfortable with this ill-conceived scheme, which would drive research and development dollars away from the next generation of miracle cures.

But overall, based on his embrace of centrist advisers and policies, it seems likely that Obama will turn out to be in the mold of John Kennedy - who was fond of noting that "a rising tide lifts all boats." Over the last few decades, economic growth has made Americans at every income level better off. For all his borderline pessimistic rhetoric, Obama knows this. And I believe he is savvy enough to realize that the real threat to middle-class families and the poor - an economic undertow that drags everyone down - cannot be counteracted by an activist government.

Or maybe not. But here's the thing: Even if my hopes on domestic policy are dashed and Obama reveals himself as an unreconstructed, dyed-in-the-wool, big-government liberal, I'm still voting for him.

These past eight years, we have spent over a trillion dollars on foreign soil - and lost countless lives - and done what I consider irreparable damage to our Constitution.

If economic damage from well-intentioned but misbegotten Obama economic schemes is the ransom we must pay him to clean up this foreign policy mess, then so be it. It's not nearly as costly as enduring four more years of what we suffered the last eight years.

Hunter is the former staff director of the Congressional Joint Economic Committee and president of the Social Security Institute.

And this from the New Republic, a gentleman posted this comment from this article...I'm going to try and break it up for clarity...

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This is why I love this guy. It's more revealing of the Obama I'm familiar with from my law school days than any of his big speeches -- although they're great too. Intellect without ideology. Clarity without glibness. Grounded on ends but flexible on means, and the fact of the matter wins the day. (Getting a diversity of opinion ensures you'll get the fact of the matter as best as it can be determined, and being a smart guy ensures you'll have the ability to sort those opinions out and make decisions.) I can't recall any major political figure talking like this.

By the way, he confirms in this interview my impressions of Obama that I've been trying to sell for some time on these boards. See for example the below comment from June 2:

"Obama is an FDR type of Democrat, except he's smarter. What I mean by that is that he doesn't subscribe to ideological policy orthodoxies. He's nimble. He wants to try things to help the working class, he trusts experts, and he doesn't want to do anything counterproductive. FDR was a pragmatist.

He didn't set out to "socialize" anything. In fact, his agenda had the effect of saving capitalism from itself. The two are similar in that they regard large-scale economic insecurity as an unacceptable problem and want to listen to all comers to address it. The sense in which Obama's "smarter" is that he is pretty savvy on the intellectual side of these issues, unlike FDR. He has the tools personally to make better choices.

If you want to know what sort of policies he'll like the sound of, I think he will be interested in those that move things in the right direction -- that is, toward increased economic security -- while preserving choice and entrepreneurship.

Examples: He'll like the sound of the EITC more than the minimum wage. He'll like the sound of automatic enrollment in a health care plan you can opt out of more than forced enrollment. He'll be skeptical of protectionism, but dig progressive taxation. At the same time, he'll seek federal investments that get a return on the dollar, such as in education, such as in new economies that can't be easily transported overseas.

His administration of the vast federal bureaucracies would, I'm betting, be neither liberally irrational nor neoconservatively irrational. Both approaches to business regulation are common, and Obama is the sort who will want to run the numbers on things like consumer safety, which is the only rational approach. (Otherwise, you're left with "do everything" vs. "do nothing," neither which is right.)

I think he's probably very much interested in protecting collective bargaining rights, and his NLRB would be a strong one."

I hope this furthers discussion...
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That's what's fucking retarded...that we actually might elect this guy President of the United States.

You know... For some time we have had "conservatives" in power up until recently when the democrats made some gains in congress. But for the most part we have had a nation if I am not mistaken with majority "conservative" leaders as President, leaders in congress and as state governors.

Now during this time you tell me if you believe these "conservatives" have been "conservative" in a fiscal sense?

Please do tell me.

Now as it is obvious that they have allowed the national debt to almost double and they pass prescription drug bills and crap like this do you consider the "conservatives" to be "conservative"?

Now I do not think things will get much better if at all with a democrat in office. But here is the main question here:

Do you think that the party of the "conservatives" will return to its roots if we elect McCain?

McCain is hardly a conservative.

Has it ever crossed your mind that the best thing that could ever happen to the totally screwed up and off track republican party is to have a year or two of Obama in office. And you know what???????? If he is 1/2 as bad as you and Nick and all the other republican hacks say he is then GUESS WHAT????????

The republicans if they are productive and smart could pull off a sweep in congress two years into the Obama 1st term and possibly retake the White House in 2012.

No?

You see... Where I think you are completely ignorant is by virtue of you wanting McCain to represent the republican party.

That is just craziness. There are times when things don't get better until they get worse and in the case of the republican party if they try to be less conservative then they are simply doomed,, it is that simple.

Our country I would argue needs a strong republican party that acts like republicans acted back in 1994. Not these big government, big war, big deficit, big spender republicans of today.

To Heck with the republican party until they get their rear end in gear.

The quicker way to get this done is to let them have a time out.

The alternative is for them to slow bleed to a worse condition over even more years and by then they are even in a weaker position with ZERO inspiration to lend to their "supporters".

I think deep down you know I am right about this but you can't face reality for some reason.

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Because I'm not a conservative...whole article, for the lazy or cynical among us...

Thanks for the link. Larry is an idiot. Here is why.

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After vowing to eschew private fundraising and take public financing, he has now refused public money.

His position was always that he would take public money if he reached an agreement with his opponent. McCain will do nothing about PACs, lobbyists, or 527s, so an agreement wasn't reached.

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Once he threatened to filibuster a bill to protect telephone companies from liability for their cooperation with national security wiretaps; now he has voted for the legislation.

You say "the legislation" as if they were the same thing; they weren't. The bill he promised to filibuster and the bill that passed were different bills. Also, he didn't vote for it.

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Turning his back on a lifetime of support for gun control, he now recognizes a Second Amendment right to bear arms in the wake of the Supreme Court decision.

His position on this didn't change at all, the first clause in your sentence is vague and dishonest.

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Formerly, he told the Israeli lobby that he favored an undivided Jerusalem. Now he says he didn’t mean it.

Source this.

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From a 100 percent pro-choice position, he now has migrated to expressing doubts about allowing partial-birth abortions.

Those two things are not contradictory; a 100% rating from NARAL and advocating regulation of late-term abortion are not mutually exclusive. NARAL themselves have already said this.

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For the first time, he now speaks highly of using church-based institutions to deliver public services to the poor.

This is a flat-out lie. He worked with faith-based charities before he was even in politics. In his book he discusses the need and usefulness of faith-based charities.

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Having based his entire campaign on withdrawal from Iraq, he now pledges to consult with the military first.

Those two things are not contradictory, he has always pledged withdrawal with consultation from the military.

Many of your arguments here are built like this, putting two things together that don't conflict but pretending that they do. "He says he likes butter on his pancakes, BUT HE PUT SYRUP ON THEM!"

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During the primary, he backed merit pay for teachers - but before the union a few weeks ago, he opposed it.

Source this.

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After specifically saying in the primaries that he disagreed with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s (D-N.Y.) proposal to impose Social Security taxes on income over $200,000 and wanted to tax all income, he has now adopted the Clinton position.

Source this.

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And Obama doesn't know what Memorial Day is.

Yet again, you lie.

Does it bother you that you're a liar?
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Thanks for the link. Larry is an idiot. Here is why.

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First the war is justified.

Whoa. Ok. Next?

Oh wait...waitaminnit...

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DAMN PRO-OBAMA MEDIA!
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Whoa. Ok. Next?

Oh wait...waitaminnit...




Dude, I am totally waiting to read your I'm an anarchist off the grid but I post here, blog.

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