or Connect
AppleInsider › Forums › Mobile › iPhone › iPhone 3G and 2.0 affected by buggy software, sensors, wireless
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

iPhone 3G and 2.0 affected by buggy software, sensors, wireless - Page 4

post #121 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

It should now be painfully obvious to everyone but the most zealous fanboys that the iPhone is a complete, abject failure. Apple should remove the device from the market and let companies who know what they're doing produce a working smartphone. Every single user is complaining about problems. Every single blog and web site is trashing it. All Apple centric news sites are reporting that the device is a complete failure. Don't believe me? Just visit the sites and read. AppleInsider is no exception. Just read this thread.

This wins the award for the most ridiculous emotional post of this forum. The entire forum. I do not know if you are in the States or somewhere else but the worlds leading phone manufacturer, Nokia, released a phone called the N95. It was a disaster. Shorter battery life than the iPhone, manufacturing defects, etc.... They then released the E90. Same thing. Plenty of blogs, and dissatisfied users as well. Nokia did the smart thing. They fixed them. Period and they both went on to lead the market in sales and satisfied customers. Point of this story. Don't speak unless you are 100% sure of your facts because you are lacking in them. Apple will fix these software problems while Nokia's were also hardware related.

Sorry dude but your post was OTT, and emotional.
post #122 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I thought he was being sarcastic with that comment.


Just to be clear, I wrote a laundry list of issues I have with v2.0 and how I think Apple could have managed their tri-wreckta launch of MM, v2.0 and 3G. While I'm unsatisfied with the issues I have I'm not unsatisfied with my purchase and certainly considerably more satisfied than with any other cellphone I've ever owned. Plus knowing that firmware updates are already being tested I am not worried.

Hi solipsism,

DId you post the list somewhere or is it embedded in posts. It might be good to have a consolidation point.
post #123 of 188
Unable to use iPhone 3G to open/lock in CITIBANK bank account, when my first iPod Touch works fine using WiFi?
post #124 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

You have to keep it in context. We are in version 1 of everything. The iPhone 2.0, the App Store and all of its apps are all version 1. Developers did not have much time before Apple's deadline. Its not that big of a deal that there are some bugs to resolve.

Sure, I understand that, but the fact that it appears that some apps can cause that type of instability to the core is alarming to me considering the way Apple had presented the apps and app store. My impression was it was going to be convenient because they were all in one store but also that they were running memory leak tests etc on them before they were accepted to the store. I realize they didn't come out and explicitly say they were going to do that, but that was my impression.
post #125 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

OS 9 was problematic because there was no easy way of adding needed functionality such as real time process based multitasking. Apple would not be able to be where it is today with out dumping OS 9.



iPhone OS X is the same it will need time to mature.

Stop being a history revisionist. The original G3 iMacs were a smashing success and turned the company around- OS9 and all. OS9 was actually fun to work with-It actually made you do some thinking while using it.
That iMac is more responsible for where Apple is today rather then the "dumping of OS9" as you claim.
post #126 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

You have to keep it in context. We are in version 1 of everything. The iPhone 2.0, the App Store and all of its apps are all version 1. Developers did not have much time before Apple's deadline. Its not that big of a deal that there are some bugs to resolve.

One shouldn't be releasing buggy products with such hoopla in 2008.
If the product get known as being "buggy" -that could be a problem.
Would you make the same excuses for Vista?
post #127 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by iphoneuser View Post

Anyone else experiencing reduced battery life on V2 software running on the first generation iPhone? For a while I thought it was increased screen usage due to all of my experimenting with the new applications, but now that I am traveling and back to my normal usage patterns I am experiencing a noticeable reduction in battery life.


My iPod touch seems to have about half the battery life from before with the 2.0 firmware -- and this is with fetch set to thirty minutes.

We did a road trip from Raleigh NC to Winston Salem and back with Wifi off, a fully charged battery and a Kensington FM transmitter. After about five hours of total in-car music listening only, the battery was at ten percent when we got home last night.
post #128 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by sapporobaby View Post

This wins the award for the most ridiculous emotional post of this forum. The entire forum. I do not know if you are in the States or somewhere else but the worlds leading phone manufacturer, Nokia, released a phone called the N95. It was a disaster. Shorter battery life than the iPhone, manufacturing defects, etc.... They then released the E90. Same thing. Plenty of blogs, and dissatisfied users as well. Nokia did the smart thing. They fixed them. Period and they both went on to lead the market in sales and satisfied customers. Point of this story. Don't speak unless you are 100% sure of your facts because you are lacking in them. Apple will fix these software problems while Nokia's were also hardware related.

Sorry dude but your post was OTT, and emotional.

Sorry- but your response seems much more emotional than his post- ease up!
What are you - the Apple disciplinarian?
post #129 of 188
Rather than folks focusing on issues they're seeing with their iPhone(both old and new) and iPod touch with the new 2.0 firmware folks are ranting and bashing Apple. The only Apple products I own are a few iPods and the iPhone 3G (I passed my 1st gen iPhone on to a friend). I enjoy the variety and selection I get in the Linux and Windows worlds so I don't own a Mac. Frankly, I'm not all that impressed with the Mac platform and don't get me started on the "genius bar" flunkies. A bit pretentious on Apple's part if you ask me.

Back to my original point-

Guys and gals, these issues are typical of a company enjoying rapid success. The iPhone isn't popular solely due to Apple's marketing and image... it's popular because it's an awesome phone. A phone that's only been in existence for a year-ish. It's a new arena for Apple, there will be growing pains. If you want bug free/fewer bugs I'd suggest waiting a while, like a year or two, for the rest of us trailblazers to suffer through the inconveniences so Apple can apply more spit and polish to the phone. Look back at the evolution of the iPod... find a 1st gen iPod and compare it to the iPod video... The platform works and Apple has been fairly speedy in addressing major issues and taking care of their customers... let's hope they don't lose their customer-friendly approach.

The test now is how Apple handles all this growth. One challenge I'm most interested in watching unfold is 3G. The marketing around the 3G iPhone is that it's "twice as fast" as the 1st gen iPhone. For those that haven't purchased a 3G iPhone yet, check ATT's 3G coverage area. If you're not in the coverage area or you're toward the edge of it, expect little to no 3G action. I already knew that 3G wasn't available at my house, however, it is where I work. My home is in the coverage zone according to ATT, but I'm able to get EDGE only. Same with the ATT mobile broadband card for my work laptop. I don't think 3G is necessarily "there" yet either. My experience with 3G in the Wash D.C. area and in Las Vegas (The two occasions I've had to use it for mobile broadband on my laptop) were spotty at best. Speeds varied greatly... usually starting out really fast, but then (within a few minutes) dropping down to about EDGE speeds while remaining on the 3G network.

The 3G piece is going to be a challenge for Apple to "resolve" since they have no control over it. They're stuck dealing with ATT and how quickly/slowly they get things rolled out. I expect to see more complaints from folks about 3G coverage as ATT beefs up their infrastructure.

My point - you have a right to be disgruntled as a customer since the marketing lead you to a level of expectation from this product and the product isn't necessarily living up to those expectations... but keep it in perspective. It's technology and it's fairly young technology - expect issues. With that said - we're all entitled to our opinion and thanks to the internet - we can share that opinion with a large audience.

My experience with 2.0 and iPhone 3G vs 1st gen iPhone.

There are definitely bugs - I've noticed them on both the 1st gen iPhone and now on my 3G iPhone... same issues.

Safari -
Safari continues to be flaky - even under firmware 1.1.4 if I was surfing a lot I would find Safari crashing back to the "desktop"... happened frequently if I was listening to music while surfing. However, upgrading to 2.0 on both the 1st Gen iPhone and the new 3G I've actually had Safari trigger reset of the iPhone - the app simply freezes and if you wait for about a minute, the screen goes black and then the apple logo appears as it reboots.

3rd Party apps -
They're buggy - Is it Apple's fault? I'd have to lean toward no, but there is a possibility of a bug in the firmware that contributes to some of the bugginess. The bulk of the blame would go to lack of testing and QA on the app before it's launched. I'd expect it to be easier to work the bugs out of your software on the iPhone because it's a controlled environment. Unlike say a Windows or Linux environment where their are nearly limitless possibilities with hardware and software configurations.

Battery life (iPhone 3G)-
Honestly, I've noticed shorter battery life over the 1st gen iphone... I chalk most of that up to the fact that I'm constantly messing with the phone though.... As well as the fact that the Monster FM transmitter I use in my jeep to play audio books/music from the iphone no longer charges my iphone to and from work. A bit annoying that apple made the hardware change since I've had the car adapter for less than 6 months.

Side-by-Side however - the iPhone 3G vs the 1st Gen iPhone surfing, emailing and playing with apps over Wi-Fi - battery life appears to be equal.

User Interface -
The UI on both the 1st Gen and 3G tends to be a bit sluggish compared with 1.1.4. I'm not using MobileMe or syncing with MS Exchange. Contacts and phone app seem to be the most laggy when bringing them up. The camera app is also extremely slow to bring up.

Keyboard -
Both models now have an increased level of randomness in performance. Sometimes it's quick to come up, other times it takes a good while. Typing an email sometimes the keyboard lags. I definitely type slower with two thumbs on the iPhone than on the blackberry, but when the keyboard is lagging I can get a couple words typed before the iPhone has had a chance to put them on the screen. Other times it keeps pace. I assume the lag is due to something happening in the background. Which leads to my next item on the list: Security.

Security -
A lot of the 3rd party apps I've tested require some sort of access to the internet- aka "the cloud". Why? What are they doing? There's no visibility into what the apps are really doing. How do I know that an app I just used to isn't still running? How do I know that the app is "clean" and not sending data (keylogger) that I type into a website off to somewhere it shouldn't?

If the app requires a subscription I could see it requiring access to the web. But not games. Gaming should be stand alone, self-contained UNLESS I want to engage in multi-player... then I should have the option to do turn that piece on/off.

As for the rest of the complaints that folks have - call quality, bluetooth support, etc... I've seen a few references to the 1st gen iphone not having the "echo" issue while in a call that the 3G iphone has had. Sorry, but on more than one occasion while using my 1st gen iphone (firmware 1.1.4) I've had the caller tell me that there was a terrible echo like I was in a tunnel... this isn't necessarily the iPhone - it could be the cellular network as I've had it happen with other models/brands of cellphone on the ATT network.

Well I feel better, I've posted my two cents worth...adjusted for inflation.

One last comment before I'm done.

Will the "experts" out there writing reviews on the 3G iPhone PLEASE STOP touting the 2.0 firmware as 3G iPhone features??? Yes, there are features there, but to those that are unfamiliar with the iPhone those statements come across as 3G iPhone-specific features... usually no mention of the fact that those same features are available on the 1st gen iPhone.

Ok, now I'm done.
post #130 of 188
3. Battery Life- I left the house yesterday at 6:30am with a fully charged iphone. I flew to a meeting in Las Vegas (1 hour flight) and by noon, my phone was already needing a recharge. Keep in mind, this was simply due to checking email (no Fetch was activated), no wifi searching, etc. THIS WAS NOT 5 hours of constant talk time, but simply having the phone "on".


Let us know how the battery life is on the phone, when used JUST as a phone please.

No games
No emailing stuff
No GPS
No listening to music

How is it just as a (i)Phone?

I realize apple is marketing it as a wonderful do all phone, but really folks. If it's (going) to be the do-all of "Phones", we're likely to have to give it some slack while they work out the kinks.

Should they sell it, before it's ready no (but I'll bet many of you are glad they did).
Maybe they shouldn't have opened up the phone to 3rd party folks. Why you ask, because MANY of us, and the writers of magazines, and wall street, WILL blame Apple for shit they aren't really responsible for. Hell the folks who LOVE to pick on Apple are going to have a field day with this

IMO

Skip
post #131 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by sapporobaby View Post

Hi solipsism,

DId you post the list somewhere or is it embedded in posts. It might be good to have a consolidation point.

My diatribe is on post 19.
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
post #132 of 188
The only problem I have with my iPhone 2G and the 2.0 software is the annoying lag time in Contacts, Mail, etc. I am sure that will be resolved quickly.
post #133 of 188
On both new 3G iPhones we have, we noticed some signal drops (and cal drops) when the 3G signal is low, while the edge signal is strong.
Some apps do crash, sometimes the app itself, sometimes the whole phone.

Haven't had any lags or other issues.
post #134 of 188
I've not had anything that I would
consider a real problem with 2.0 on my
1st Gen iphone. The contacts app is slow
but since it's new I have nothing
to compare it to. I've not been very
impressed with the app store selectons
or the quality of most apps. It's not that
they crash as much as the ones I've tried or
looked at (to do lists mostly) do nothing special or
use the phones special interface. Many seem linked to a
desktop app the company sells rather then ical or mail.
Hopefully things will improve.
post #135 of 188
I'm still of the opinion that there are to many people here whinnig about rather minor problems. Yes there are bugs but so does Mac OS on my MBP.

It's not a question of bugs but what will Apple do about them. They have already proven themselves there with version 1 of iphone OS which had a lot of bugs. Has everyone forgotten about that? More so reports are coming in that 1.1.5 or whatever the latest version of Touch software is, is greatly improved; does that automatically make the previous version crap?

Considering that there is already evidence of a software up date in test should people even be worried. I look at it this way Apple will continue as they have in the past and that is simply making each release better than the on before it. Even now the iphone is pretty impressive, alittle bit of tweaking and bug killing will lead to an even more desirable hand held machine.

Dave
post #136 of 188
I guess I should sit back and count my blessings.

To this point, I have not experienced even 1/10th the problems people are reporting here and elsewhere.

* I have downloaded dozens of Apps and used them with no real issues
* I have successfully synced with MobileMe - even on the first attempt
* I have successfully linked to my WiFi setups at both home and office
* I have successfully used Maps within and without WiFI, including 3G in some instances.

My only real complaint is 3G itself. Very inconsistent no matter where I travel to around town.

However, since I do most of my work at home or my office, I'm pretty good to go and thoroughly enjoying my iPhone 3G experience.

I'm truly sorry that many of you are not having the same experience. Perhaps you will in time.

One thing I will say is that just like so many new products, people are panicking over the most simple problems - many of which could be resolved by RTFM, you know?
Pity the agnostic dyslectic. They spend all their time contemplating the existence of dog.
Reply
Pity the agnostic dyslectic. They spend all their time contemplating the existence of dog.
Reply
post #137 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by steviet02 View Post

Sure, I understand that, but the fact that it appears that some apps can cause that type of instability to the core is alarming to me considering the way Apple had presented the apps and app store. My impression was it was going to be convenient because they were all in one store but also that they were running memory leak tests etc on them before they were accepted to the store. I realize they didn't come out and explicitly say they were going to do that, but that was my impression.

The apps just crash within themselves and the phone goes back to the home screen. They don't cause any harm to the OS itself. You can try to relaunch the app or open a different app.
post #138 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Stop being a history revisionist. The original G3 iMacs were a smashing success and turned the company around- OS9 and all. OS9 was actually fun to work with-It actually made you do some thinking while using it.
That iMac is more responsible for where Apple is today rather then the "dumping of OS9" as you claim.

How am I rewritting history? Yes the iMac was successful. My point is that at that point was also a stop gap until they could ship OS X. Apple could not have continued success with OS 9.
post #139 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

The only complaint I have is related to how easy is it to get scratched all other the new iPhone. After one day in my pocket, mine is already showing scratched on the back!! All 3G iPhone cases and screen protectors were sold out when I bought my iPhone
I really hope someone comes up with a product to remove those scratches (Which I am sure will happen).

Try looking into some of the high-end automotive detailing suppliers. I'm pretty sure there are some plastic scratch repair fluids that will shine it back up.

Proud AAPL stock owner.

 

GOA

Reply

Proud AAPL stock owner.

 

GOA

Reply
post #140 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

One shouldn't be releasing buggy products with such hoopla in 2008.
If the product get known as being "buggy" -that could be a problem.
Would you make the same excuses for Vista?

Pretty much all software is released with bugs. Why do you think they have updates. It's impossible to find everything. Often bugs cannot be found until it's in the wild and widely used.
post #141 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by shokk View Post

You say these issues are absent with Apple's own apps, but I experience the most trouble with Safari. It crashes way too often and the keyboard input lagging usually precedes the crash. Very disappointing, but I'm holding out on the hopes that they'll fix things soon.

How is it they get away with this crap and Microsoft gets royally reamed for Vista? Just saying that it seems like a double-standard.

Guess you'll be leaving us to buy a Windows CE enabled phone any minute now? Right?

Proud AAPL stock owner.

 

GOA

Reply

Proud AAPL stock owner.

 

GOA

Reply
post #142 of 188
So the iPhone I ordered from AT&T (white 16 GB) arrived the other day, about a week and a half sooner than they guessed it would take (only ordered it three or four days ago).

AT&T
My experience with AT&T was okay except whenever I got on the phone. Their overseas support is uneducated, dense, and you cannot understand them. They can't transfer you to the United States. Attempts to call the AT&T store resulted in them placing me on hold without any music and without being notified that I was placed on hold. AT&T only lets the phone ring for about five rings before routing you back to a menu prompt. What a terrible way to run a company.

In the store a representative takes your name and instead of helping whoever is around they go down the list and help people in the order they arrived. That, at least, really eases up the visit, because they were quite busy both times I went there (especially on the weekend). After I ordered the phone the representative gave me his personal card and said he would be my contact there. He called me personally when the phone arrived from his cell phone. That was a nice way to circumvent the horrible mess that is their phone system. Activation was painless.

iPhone Screen
I took my new iPhone home expecting to do battle with some bugs. First, the screen -- it is much better than the 2G's. I would not describe it as yellow at all -- it is simply warmer. The white-point on the 2G was set way too far in the blue area, something which may very well have been done to make it more attractive to people on a shelf. People are initially attracted to very bright screens and this has affected the sales of televisions, computers, and most other devices with screens. Apple did the right thing here. It seems perfect.

iPhone Camera
It takes just a little bit longer to open the 'shutter' as people have said -- but nowhere near six seconds. I don't know if this is because people are having problems with their software or if it is because they can't count seconds very well (I've noticed people tend not to be good at this, at any rate). It opens consistently between two and two-and-a-half seconds. This is the sort of thing I imagine Apple will improve with an update but it does not bother me.

Contacts List
I have a really long contacts list. It takes between half a second and one second, at worst, to open. Again, just a little slower than the 2G, but not slow enough to bother me. People are whining about it so I'm sure Apple will be looking into it.

Battery Life
It is still early to tell, but it has been respectable given what I've been doing. I've been going nuts with Pandora, games, and other services, and my phone has been on far more often than it usually is. I depleted my battery in a bit less than a day doing this (though it was from the charge out of the box). That is to say it endured my abuse from 12 to 2 AM. If it can take what I was doing in good swing (more than a solid eight hours of apps, talking, internet, and streamed music) it will probably hold up well when I start using it normally. 3G does eat more battery life, as is to be expected, but it seems Apple has given us good options to manage it. I agree with someone who mentioned earlier that it would be nice to have activity-relative management of 3G and faster access to the 3G toggle.

Appearance and Form
I was originally going to get the black iPhone until I saw it in the store. It collects fingerprints like... well... a shiny black plastic thing. And the extensive use of black does make it seem a little more generic. The white iPhone, by contrast, really has a pretty appearance to it, doesn't show fingerprints, and the way in which the screen stands out against the surrounding glass on the front is quite attractive. I think it looks wonderful.

It feels marvelous in your hands! I liked the 2G design but as someone who used it in a slip-in case, rather than with some kind of shell you put over the back, I was faced with using the iPhone without a cover once removed. The metal was slick and it required a conscious effort while using it to avoid dropping the device. The plastic 3G is very easy to hold and the new form feels much more comfortable in your hands. The buttons also have improved tactile feedback, especially the power/active button at the top. The headphone port holds the headphone device much more snugly as well. The 3G is much lighter -- enough that you really notice it -- but still feels sufficiently substantial.

Internet
My experiences with 3G are in line with others'. It is faster and makes for a somewhat more pleasant experience. What matters most to me, though, is that pages load more reliably now (on any connection), and are much more responsive to scrolling. The 2G iPhones I had before were less responsive, especially while loading, and this could lead to somewhat more frustrating experience and accidentally clicking links. I would imagine this can be attributed to software improvements in 2.0 so 2G iPhone users will be able to enjoy these improvements as well (aside from 3G speeds, of course). I didn't upgrade my 2G from 1.1.4.

3G Signal
In my home the 3G signal is weaker than the 2G signal. It stays rather low, around a bar or so. The iPhone chooses to continue using this signal when 3G is enabled, though. I was concerned by this originally but unlike a 2G signal which becomes very unreliable at such a low level, my iPhone has consistently received, held, and communicated in this state (I spoke with family for around two and a half hours, doing different activities, just to get a feel for it). Audio quality was solid even with that signal. It held up similarly while I went out for a bike ride around town and had a pretty solid signal whenever I checked it. I live in the bay area, though, so I imagine the 3G network might be a bit more reliable in areas out here than it is in some others.

Stability
This phone has been like a rock so far. The OS has been perfectly reliable and responsive -- it has actually, so far, been more reliable than the 2G software was! This I was honestly not expecting. Aside from the very specific and minor slowdowns mentioned above, this really impresses me for such an evolved update. 2.0.1 will only bring better. Third-party apps, as one should expect, vary in quality. If an app looks to be of poor quality, or got lots of negative ratings for stability, I didn't bother with it though. I haven't yet had a third-party app crash on me (I've got about sixteen installed) but I have definitely noticed some inconsistent behavior. I doubt this has anything to do with the iPhone, though. Just new software!

App Store
What a treat! I never jailbroke my 2G (this critter is used for business and I don't like to take many chances when even an occasional slip-up could cost a lot of money) so this is new to me. Some of the games are delightful fun and many third-party apps are incredibly useful. Apple's implementation of the App Store in iTunes is great and the on-phone App Store is even better. Browsing, reading and purchasing is just one step above breathing in a difficulty scale (and I imagine this will reflect quite positively in profits and distribution shared by Apple and other developers). This is the sort of experience that sets Apple devices apart from everything else. I can spend money while using the toilet, now. This could be a bad thing for people who aren't responsible with money!

Final Note
For my whole life I hated cell phones. As a designer I've always been very frustrated with the terrible interfaces designed for these devices (looking at you, Motorola!) and the static make and release model (no updates, rare bug fixes). I hated the lock-down on things like music distribution and file sharing. I never got excited about phones. Apple changed all of that with the iPhone, doing things I only dreamed of before, and taking it to a whole new level I had never imagined. I feel in love with the iPhone as soon as I saw it in the keynote -- I had high expectations, and they were completely overshadowed. I have just fallen in love with the iPhone all over again. Thanks, Apple!
The true measure of a man is how he treats someone that can do him absolutely no good.
  Samuel Johnson
Reply
The true measure of a man is how he treats someone that can do him absolutely no good.
  Samuel Johnson
Reply
post #143 of 188
I have heard lots of complaints. Hard to tell how pervasive the complaints are. Hard to tell how satisfied most users are.

I'm a Mac user but this is my first iPhone. After hearing the complaints I was expecting something really bad and I am pleasantly surprised.

I think the phone is awesome!

Reception is much better than I expected. May not be quite the best, but it seems better than average. I think people were expecting great 3G coverage where they don't have it.

Use as a phone it is very good. Calls sound loud and clear on both earpiece and speakerphone. The other party can always hear me well. The phone has a good ability to make and retain calls.

I love some of the apps that I've tried so far, including Truveo, Shazam, Pandora, VNC.

I can't get over the amazement at so much that can be done with such a small device.

Web surfing is amazing. Its leaps and bounds beyond what any other phone can do.

The only issues I've run across on the phone is the application stability. I have had most applications crash. But they don't usually crash very obtrusively. I can usually start them back close to where they were. I figure software issues will get quickly resolved over the coming weeks and months. So far I haven't had the overall phone crash.

Battery life can always be more, but I'm generally impressed. If you think of it more as a laptop, then the 5+ hours I seem to get constant surfing seems pretty good.
post #144 of 188
Today I sent a test e-mail to my MobileMe account and it took 5 minutes to appear on me.com, though it was promptly pushed to my iPhone shortly afterwards. These problems are very reminiscent of the World of Warcraft launch where Blizzard was just taken aback by the demand to play the game.
post #145 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by ncee View Post

3. Battery Life- I left the house yesterday at 6:30am with a fully charged iphone. I flew to a meeting in Las Vegas (1 hour flight) and by noon, my phone was already needing a recharge. Keep in mind, this was simply due to checking email (no Fetch was activated), no wifi searching, etc. THIS WAS NOT 5 hours of constant talk time, but simply having the phone "on".

Not that your battery should have been drained by this, but did you neglect to turn off your iPhone during takeoff and landing and neglect to set it to "airplane mode" while in the air? I can imagine the battery might be drained from the effort expended in trying to find a suitable cellular signal. Like I said, that alone shouldn't normally drain a battery quite so fast, but your situation might be one that Apple hasn't optimized for yet.
post #146 of 188
You know, I love Macs and hate Vista but am not a fan boy. e.g., the G4, Dual G5's were slouches compared to AMD or INTEL at the time, especially in the notebook realm.

That said, with all the jokes about MSFT and security, and why MSFT owns the Business world (EXCHANGE), Apple pulled push from the DEVICE portion (until fixed) or computers as its a sync not push. Now, Apple knows (with all the 3rd party apps) what it feels like to have to try and support all these 3rd party software developers.

Apple dropped the ball with Mobile Me, it was promoted as Exchange for the rest of us (not), the Apps crash (same problems as MSFT) and uses virus protection in their store computers in the BOH. I just find the whole situation ironic on how BIG they were making the launch of the iPhone, SDK, and MMe and if you think they ran out of iPhones, I have a bridge to sell you.

Apple couldn't take the heat, (Long lines) and almost every tech blog complaining about how silly the lines are (and with 88%+ being first time visitors) they removed the phones from the channels to break up the lines - they are so anti (afraid of negativity) if you do a search for episode 766 of CNET where they BASH the long lines, (it can be found on their website) but iTunes had it pulled.

In fact, they are acting like their typical NAZI selves, not allowing any negative press on their forums or iTunes.

Don't get me wrong, Apple makes some great products (although it kills me on how they raped their product line (Macbook used to get 171% in Open GL so you could use motion) down to 70%, so no motion, and removed TEXAS INSTRUMENTS firewire in MACBOOK and iMAC as this causes instability with high end firewire devices (ask and I will post the link of a pro audio/video group) and all iMacs (albeit strong) are glossy, so no PRO graphic, photography work.

Anyway am off topic. The iphones are short not due to demand but due to Apple pulling them to cut down on the lines and the applications shows Apple just how hard it is to offer exchange and developing 3rd party applications.
post #147 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by hiimamac View Post

You know, I love Macs and hate Vista but am not a fan boy. e.g., the G4, Dual G5's were slouches compared to AMD or INTEL at the time, especially in the notebook realm.

That said, with all the jokes about MSFT and security, and why MSFT owns the Business world (EXCHANGE), Apple pulled push from the DEVICE portion (until fixed) or computers as its a sync not push. Now, Apple knows (with all the 3rd party apps) what it feels like to have to try and support all these 3rd party software developers.

Apple dropped the ball with Mobile Me, it was promoted as Exchange for the rest of us (not), the Apps crash (same problems as MSFT) and uses virus protection in their store computers in the BOH. I just find the whole situation ironic on how BIG they were making the launch of the iPhone, SDK, and MMe and if you think they ran out of iPhones, I have a bridge to sell you.

Apple couldn't take the heat, (Long lines) and almost every tech blog complaining about how silly the lines are (and with 88%+ being first time visitors) they removed the phones from the channels to break up the lines - they are so anti (afraid of negativity) if you do a search for episode 766 of CNET where they BASH the long lines, (it can be found on their website) but iTunes had it pulled.

In fact, they are acting like their typical NAZI selves, not allowing any negative press on their forums or iTunes.

Anyway am off topic. The iphones are short not due to demand but due to Apple pulling them to cut down on the lines and the applications shows Apple just how hard it is to offer exchange and developing 3rd party applications.

A lot of that either doesn't make sense or is incorrect...

Apple is well aware of supporting 3rd-party development. They have been doing it for decades.
Apple didn't pull Push from the "DEVICE portion", it hasn't been launched yet. The WWDC keynote clearly states September for 3rd-party Push support.
Removing product will not make the lines go away, it will only increase the demand and keep people waiting even longer, which isn't good for business. You can order an iPhone now from AT&T and they will call you when it comes in.
After an unusable ThursSat (note: 3 days) start with MobileMe, it has worked flawlessly for email. calendar and contacts for syncing since. Pushing and web access. Me.com is now the best example of AJAX I have seen implemented.
Apple isn't offering offering Exchange, but if you mean Push email it appears to be working for most people in the US. They are only 10 days into their first widespread attempt at it so hiccups are expected.
I don't understand what you're getting at with "shows Apple just how hard it is to [develop] 3rd party applications". If you mean 3rd=party developers creating an apps for the iPhone or the App Store, this is the one area in which Apple really exceeded exceptions. We only 10 days into the official launch and there are around 600 apps, mostly free for the iPhone. IF you mean Apple themselves developers apps for other platforms, well iTunes is one of the most popular apps for Windows and the most popular app for organizing your music.

Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
post #148 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

A lot of that either doesn't make sense or is incorrect...

iTunes is one of the most popular apps for Windows and the most popular app for organizing your music.


PS. Not sure if my last post went thru but iTunes is half of windows player.

http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0603/
post #149 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by hiimamac View Post

PS. Not sure if my last post went thru but iTunes is half of windows player.

http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0603/

1) It's not fair to count an app that is bundled with an OS.
2) That report is over 2 years old.
3) I specifically stated organizing your music. Granted, Windows Explorer can be used but do we really think that is th preferred app for doing so?

PS: In your defense, iTunes is not as widely used as I thought. It only surpassed Real Player in February of this year.
PPS: To better state my point: "Despite a 15% increase in Windows sales worldwide WMP userbase remains stagnant or with a slight decline and Real's userbase is decreasing rapidly, while iTunes is showing excessive growth."
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
post #150 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

The apps just crash within themselves and the phone goes back to the home screen. They don't cause any harm to the OS itself. You can try to relaunch the app or open a different app.

My 16GB black version also does this. It usually runs fine when first installed, then it crashes at later time. I've tried restoring the iphone 3G and it did help with response speed, but the 3rd party softwares still crashes after the initial use. Basically, every 3rd party softwares I've downloaded do this. I'll just wait for the iphone software update before reinstalling it again.

BTW, the battery life as a GPS, mostly on EDGE network, did last about good 5 hours. I was house hunting in the new area in MD, and iphone actually was more accurate than the Magellan Roadmate. New developments are always a headache for a GPS system, but I guess google map is more up to date than the 6 months old Magellan GPS.

At any rate, iphone 3g kicks arse, and it will be even more awesome once all the bugs are squashed. The orginal install of iphone 2.0 was much more sluggish and restoring did make it more responsive, weird, isn't it?
always a newbie
Reply
always a newbie
Reply
post #151 of 188
I have to completely agree with you, since the new update I have being so disappointed i wish I had the option to go back to the previous iphone OS, it worked like magic and was perfect. Now its so frustrating to use I dont even want to use it.
Im also a Mac fan and an early adopter, all that based on how reliable apple products always were, thats why we have high expectations of apple.
Its now whining its simply saying "whats up?" this is not up to the standards that they got us used to
post #152 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

Pretty much all software is released with bugs. Why do you think they have updates. It's impossible to find everything. Often bugs cannot be found until it's in the wild and widely used.

Yeah right- and update it that fast? Try again. Even OS9 was never updated that fast.
post #153 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Yeah right- and update it that fast? Try again. Even OS9 was never updated that fast.

I hope you aren't implying that frequent updates means that software is more buggy/unstable than software that isn't updated often.
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
post #154 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

How am I rewritting history? Yes the iMac was successful. My point is that at that point was also a stop gap until they could ship OS X. Apple could not have continued success with OS 9.

Sorry but wrong again- shifting to Intel is more of a reason for the success today and bridged the gap with Windows rather than OSX alone.
post #155 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Sorry but wrong again- shifting to Intel is more of a reason for the success today and bridged the gap with Windows rather than OSX alone.

OS 9 was very outdated. There is no way Apple could have continued to 2008 with that aged foundation, but I agree that the shift to Intel has probably doen more for converting people to Macs than the OS has, but mainly because people are informed enough about how the underbelly on an OS works.

I do think the Apple Stores have done more for converting Macs than the iPod or the Intel switch. my reasoning is that it allowed people to see and test a Mac before buying which is important for getting converts.

Either way, we can debate which had more effect than the other and there is no way the debate will ever be definitively answered as there are just too many variables involved.

Diplomatically we can say that many factors have contributed to Apple's increased Mac growth.
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
post #156 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by bitemymac View Post

My 16GB black version also does this. It usually runs fine when first installed, then it crashes at later time. I've tried restoring the iphone 3G and it did help with response speed, but the 3rd party softwares still crashes after the initial use. Basically, every 3rd party softwares I've downloaded do this. I'll just wait for the iphone software update before reinstalling it again.

Are you saying your restored the OS because the apps were crashing? In that case I don't believe it was the OS but the apps themselves. I've had to reinstall the Google app and Facebook app because of crashing. Haven't had problems since. The Facebook is now on 1.1, so they've likely made some improvements.
post #157 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Sorry but wrong again- shifting to Intel is more of a reason for the success today and bridged the gap with Windows rather than OSX alone.

My intent wasn't to compare what has made Apple successful. I'm simply saying they could not have done it with OS 9.

Quote:
Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Yeah right- and update it that fast? Try again. Even OS9 was never updated that fast.

I'm not sure what you are talking about here. Are you saying Apple cannot quickly release a firmware fix for the iPhone bugs?
post #158 of 188
I was baffeled by the unresponsivness of the screen in some cases but then i discovered that it just doesnt like my thumb. Its not like its not picking up my thumb but its the multitouch sensors that are programed to interpret a smaller area than my thumb.
I found out while trying that it didnt axcept my thumbpressing att all in some situations. But when i switched to my indexfinger i had no problems whatsoever!!!!!!!!!

I was really thinking before when trying to set an alarm and using my thumb i could use the hour-wheel but not the minute-wheel. When i switched to index i had no problems. This is when i began to understand what the problem was!!!!!
post #159 of 188
Funny, I didn't realize my phone sucked until I read this thread. Waa waa waa.

We're all computer users, right? Most of us used OS X 1.0, right? You all know that these issues will be ironed out, so, I don't get the constant bitching (remember 10.1?). I mean, people are now replying to their own crap, just to pile on more drama.

I like my iPhone, listening to Pandora right now. Sure, there are issues, but I've been with Apple long enough to know that the problems will be resolved. Unlike other manufacturers who resolve defects with a newer model.

Finally, Apple did mention that opening the iPhone to third parties would affect stability.
post #160 of 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by gordy View Post

Finally, Apple did mention that opening the iPhone to third parties would affect stability.

Absolutely. And recall they had to delay the SDK process, and control sign-ups. Relatedly, SJ repeatedly and quite vehemently brought up the point that battery drawdown would be an issue with 3G.

He was soundly (and arrogantly) derided for these views by the know-it-alls in this forum.

And now, the whining.....
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: iPhone
AppleInsider › Forums › Mobile › iPhone › iPhone 3G and 2.0 affected by buggy software, sensors, wireless