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post #81 of 86
8/13/08 at 11:00am
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Israel Has $1 Billion Invested in Georgia 10 Aug 2008 The Israeli-Georgia connection is estimated to be worth $1 billion, according to a former Georgian ambassador to Israel. The Jewish state and private investors have provided military assistance and advisers to Georgia, where pipelines pump oil destined for Israel. A new pipeline is being built to bypass Russian territory. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that Israeli companies in Georgia have begun evacuating their staff and that Israeli tourists are leaving for home.

The reason Israel is involved is they get most of their oil supplies from there; its just a continuation of the past discontent between Russia and Georgia. These two entities have been at it for years of course.

Also, it seems that Bush, Cheney, and the Neocons have lost another war.
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post #82 of 86
8/13/08 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by @_@ Artman View Post

Israel needs to understand that their power and influence is wearing thin. Their crimes against the Palestinians has gone on far too long. I neither support the Palestinians, but this war against religion, land and power has become redundantly tragic and sad.

The 1947 treaty assured a jewish and arab state. A bit odd in shape and possibly unworkable but it was a plan. The arabs decided no and went to war to push the Jews into the ocean. They lost. Hence modern Isreal.

Lets not mince words. If the Arabs had their way, they'd have killed them all.

They tried in 1936 and the Brits pounded them into the dust for the revolt and eliminated many Palistinian leaders that were sorely missed in the late 40's. And it created the Jewish terrorists/mercenaries like the Haganah that supported the Brits.

Then in 1948 the Arab League went to war and the Arab League secretary had declared that it would be a "war of extermination". They lost.

To us, I'm sure 1948 seems like a long time ago. For those in the region, it was yesterday.

You can blame the Brits if you want.
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post #83 of 86
8/13/08 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by vinea View Post

You can blame the Brits if you want.

Well, maybe if the rest of the world understood how Britain's empire crumbled, they might not be in this mess after all.

Britain - Empire of Good Intentions

Or the history of oil...

The History of Oil
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post #84 of 86
8/14/08 at 2:44am
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Originally Posted by @_@ Artman View Post

Well, maybe if the rest of the world understood how Britain's empire crumbled, they might not be in this mess after all.

Britain - Empire of Good Intentions

Or the history of oil...

The History of Oil

I listened to part of the BBC one while doing other stuff. Thanks for the link. Interesting but the British Empire (IMHO) crumbled because of paying for two world wars*.

This is what you get for being a French ally. Had they supported the Kaiser it might still be Pax Britannia...

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* others may argue that the rise of Germany, Japan and the US doomed British industrial superiority regardless of WWI. However, they still enjoyed naval dominance and could still support the empire at the start of the war.
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post #85 of 86
8/14/08 at 3:47pm
No one says better about nuclear Iran than this guy from Israel: http://samsonblinded.org/blog/nuclear-populism.htm Some very simple things about Iranian nukes which most of us tend to ignore.
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post #86 of 86
8/14/08 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by tranquill View Post

No one says better about nuclear Iran than this guy from Israel: http://samsonblinded.org/blog/nuclear-populism.htm Some very simple things about Iranian nukes which most of us tend to ignore.

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Iranian nuclear threat pales compared to that of Pakistan, an extremely unstable entity with rabidly Islamist voters and demagogue Islamist parties. For Israel and America, Iran is not so much a military as a political problem: Pakistan developed its nukes clandestinely while Iran defies everyone’s authority. Unable to deal with Pakistan, North Korea, or even the Palestinians, Israelis demand doing something against Iran. On the issue of Iran, it is oil interests versus populist politics.

I keep saying this, but no one here listens. Musharraf is pulling a Nixon to get out of impeachment. This will leave a huge power vacuum and could send the country into full-on Islamic sectarianism (as if it isn't already).

It's the arms maker, dealer and hideout for terrorists and extremists.

What will this mean for the CIA and this administration (or the next) now their installed dictator is being ousted?
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