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post #1 of 137
7/17/02 at 11:27am
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Why the hell do we have to pay full price to upgrade to Jaguar, im sure its great but its not even a full version #, its not even a full .#

This is pretty stupid, we have been dealing with a unfinnished os for a long time, now we have to pay full price for our faith.
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post #2 of 137
7/17/02 at 11:40am
Yeah, it does really suck.
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post #3 of 137
7/17/02 at 11:43am
Hold on now...Apple does have an Up To Date program right? Don't you want to wait to see what dates apply?
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post #4 of 137
7/17/02 at 11:46am
I have to agree. There should be an upgrade price. Has Steve been hanging out with Bill and friends lately? Pricey upgrades, .mac, throwing comments.

I mean, Windows XP was just a $99 upgrade from Windows ME - and that was a complete and major overhaul. SP1 which will include many enhancements will be free.

Why is Apple doing this? It should be $129 full, $69 upgrade, and $19 if you purchased a Mac with 10.1 in the last 6 months. If Apple really wants everyone on OS X, then they have to make an effort too.

While we are at it, .mac should be optional to those who want all those features while leaving the eMail option as a lower price (like $19 or $29 per year for eMail only).

One more thing, if you don't have the hardware to update your computer line, then lower the prices. Especially if you have inventory to move out. I find it very hard to believe that it costs Apple $3500 to make a supped up G4 tower.
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post #5 of 137
7/17/02 at 11:49am
I think $129 is a fair price for the full version ONLY.
The upgrade from 10.0 or 10.1 should be around $19-$49.

Just a side note... I called my local Apple store earlier and asked them if they knew anything about the upgrade price from 10.1 -> 10.2.

The person told me: "Unless you buy a new Mac now, it looks like you have to pay $129. That's what we heard. And as far as I know, it's going to stay that way. I'm sorry, it really is unfair."

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post #6 of 137
7/17/02 at 11:53am
:cough:$69 through education store :cough:

quit yer bitchin'
it's an awesome release

ciao,

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post #7 of 137
7/17/02 at 11:53am
Hmm... well, $129 is is then. I'll buy it at the educational discount anyway, so it shouldn't cost me more than $70.

I do think it is invalid to complain about the price because it's numbered 10.2 instead of 10.5.

I mean, it's not like the update is any smaller by being called 10.2, in fact, it's quite massive.

I'll buy it. Of course I wish it was cheaper, but Apple has to make money or there won't be any updates to be had, and they have been working on it for at least a year.

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post #8 of 137
7/17/02 at 12:00pm
<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> Hello, development cost money. Who do you think pays for the power bills in Cupertino? Not Enron or WorldCom or Mr.Davis.

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post #9 of 137
7/17/02 at 12:02pm
Apple has never had UPGRADE prices for any OS. It was either free (+S/H) or $99. Now it is simply 129.00.

Everyone can whine about its only .2... but you all darn-well-know it is more significant then the number indicates.

Maybe if they actually called it 10.5 but followed the same scheme you'd be happy.
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post #10 of 137
7/17/02 at 12:03pm
[quote]Originally posted by scadboy:
<strong>:cough: <a href="http://store.apple.com/1-800-780-5009/WebObjects/EducationIndividual.woa/274/wo/rmTAw1oqJSaj1g2EV9/3.3.0.3.34.81.0.JaguarPromo.0.0.2.0.3.1.1.0?50,99" target="_blank">$69 through education store</a> :cough:

quit yer bitchin'
it's an awesome release

ciao,

michael</strong><hr></blockquote>


kewl...$129 US is about $200 Canadian, so I was put off by the price. I just graduated, but my student card stays valid till end of August, so I should be able to grab it at the university comp store

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post #11 of 137
7/17/02 at 12:07pm
[quote]Originally posted by hmurchison:
<strong>Hold on now...Apple does have an Up To Date program right? Don't you want to wait to see what dates apply?</strong><hr></blockquote>

The dates are from today until when Jaguar is in stores.
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post #12 of 137
7/17/02 at 12:08pm
It's bullshit there's no up to date Apple program.
I had up to date from 8.6 to 9 in 2000, cost me $40, I think.

My new iMac was bought on 8th June and those X.1 little up to date coupons it came with mean piss-all.

If you want $130 from me, Steve, you can kiss my arse.

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post #13 of 137
7/17/02 at 12:20pm
[quote]Originally posted by Ti Fighter:
<strong>Why the hell do we have to pay full price to upgrade to Jaguar, im sure its great but its not even a full version #, its not even a full .#

This is pretty stupid, we have been dealing with a unfinnished os for a long time, now we have to pay full price for our faith. </strong><hr></blockquote>

last time i checked, we aren't living in a communist country or socialist state. you expect hard work and innovation to come free or for $19.99. This is ALOT cheaper than any MS upgrade. 10.1 was a minor upgrade cost. 10.2 is a major upgrade. But hey, if you don;t want to pay $129, keep using 10.1.
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post #14 of 137
7/17/02 at 12:30pm
[quote]Originally posted by Xidius:
<strong>Well, right now the computer industry is in a downfall, they need all the money they can get. And if I had the money, I would buy it. But I prefer Carracho or Hotline. I dont find it unreasonable. There is however one thing I dont like or agree with. Paying for my @mac.com email... Everything else in .mac i think u should pay for. But not my email...

- Xidius</strong><hr></blockquote>

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post #15 of 137
7/17/02 at 12:49pm
$129 is roughly half the price M$ demands for its XP "upgrade". Quit yer bitchin'. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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post #16 of 137
7/17/02 at 12:49pm
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[quote]Originally posted by scadboy:
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quit yer bitchin'
it's an awesome release
l</strong><hr></blockquote>

I realize its a great release, but we have to pay full price twice just to get a finished OS, and I'm out of school so I dont qualify for ed price. It labels the people who bought OSX before this release suckers, the people that used it, supported it, and helped apple make it better. Their is no excuse for not having an upgrade price, other than pure stupidity. Their more worried about getting new customers than keeping the ones that have kept them alive for all these years.

It seems posts on this board are getting more and more negative about Apple (esp after the macworlds), this is sad for a mac supporters board to talk about how apple sucks all the time. Yes Steve came back to bring us out of certain doom, but he is a complete moron sometimes.
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post #17 of 137
7/17/02 at 12:55pm
I could careless about the 129$ price tag. I get it for 69$ with my education discount.
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post #18 of 137
7/17/02 at 12:55pm
I think the price is very reasonable. Everyone else here has argued why, and so I will not bother to say it again. I can get an education price, and so it is not bad at all for me. For the features, it is phenomenal it exist at all, much less at a consumer price point.
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post #19 of 137
7/17/02 at 12:56pm
"$129 is roughly half the price M$ demands for its XP "upgrade". Quit yer bitchin'."

Well said, Dennis.

Jaguar is a full update. It's a more than fair asking price.

"I think the price is very reasonable. Everyone else here has argued why, and so I will not bother to say it again. I can get an education price, and so it is not bad at all for me. For the features, it is phenomenal it exist at all, much less at a consumer price point. "

It's a stunning OS. Worth it. You get alot of free iapps...greatly enhanced functionality...

Unless you want to pay M$ prices? Try Xp? Any takers?

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post #20 of 137
7/17/02 at 1:01pm
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[quote]Originally posted by scadboy:
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quit yer bitchin'
it's an awesome release
l</strong><hr></blockquote>

I realize its a great release, but we have to pay full price twice just to get a finished OS, and I'm out of school so I dont qualify for ed price. It labels the people who bought OSX before this release suckers, the people that used it, supported it, and helped apple make it better.

the way it used to work was the larger the increase in version number the more stuff was changed in the program, so higher number = more stuff = more money, but i guess that really doesnt apply anymore.
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post #21 of 137
7/17/02 at 1:02pm
Kiddies,

Like I've said before you will be paying for things all of your life........get used to it.

This is a full version upgrade as far as I can tell. In other words it's not just a small upgrade like 10.1.

I've paid $99.00 or there abouts for every major ( and yes this counts as major ) upgrade since 8.0. Given that that was many years ago the rise in price isn't out of line.

By the way I've come to the conclusion that those #s mean what ever the company wants them to and drawing too close a corellation to what's come before is meaningless.
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post #22 of 137
7/17/02 at 1:10pm
Well, went to check the UK edu store to see the prices, and as usual in the UK we are being screwed!

US Edu price: $69
UK edu price: £70!

£70 = $110!


anf then none of the features in Sherlock 3 are going to work in the UK, as usual, and iphoto's prints features probably wont work.....
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post #23 of 137
7/17/02 at 1:16pm
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ok points taken, i was alwase gonna buy it, but i dont have to like it.

i hope were not paying for pixars fur rendering time in that price, steve should make pixar do more stuff for apple then product box rendering and dowloadable imac shorts. Lets get some of their propriatary software built into osx
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post #24 of 137
7/17/02 at 1:16pm
I don't think it is reasonable at all. I paid the ed. price for 10.1, but that still means that I basically have to pay twice if I want the upgrade. This, combined with the .Mac charging for email thing is FUBAR.

There is no reason Apple can't have an upgrade option. Granted, it is a big update. But FULL PRICE?
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post #25 of 137
7/17/02 at 1:19pm
I think a distinction needs to be made...Apple never charges $149.00 for "updates". Updates to the OS are always free (10.1-10.1.5...) Yesterday, if you were to go to the Apple store, and look for an "upgrade" from 10.04 to 10.1 it would have cost you $149.00. That is Apple's price for the full version of the OS. When you pay that for 10.2, you will get a full version of the OS, not just an update CD. Apart from the odd special time, (the first 3 months after 10.1 came out) Apple simply does not make upgrades. It has always been this way, and most likely always will be. the same obnoxious complainers, have been saying the same things on this board since Apple released OS 7.6.2!!!!

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post #26 of 137
7/17/02 at 1:23pm
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[quote]Originally posted by warpd:
<strong>the same obnoxious complainers, have been saying the same things on this board since Apple released OS 7.6.2!!!!

[ 07-17-2002: Message edited by: warpd ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

but this is a special case with OSX cuz this is the os we were supposed to have in the first place. Even apple admits that the OS was not finnished.

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post #27 of 137
7/17/02 at 1:28pm
I just bought my Mac (my first ever) about 4 weeks ago. Knowing that I'm gonna have to dish out another $130 in a few weeks kind of ticks me off.

I expect this sort of crap from Microsoft, which is one of the reasons I left (lets actually fix some of the bugs and call it an upgrade, then charge for it). I did not expect this from Apple.
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post #28 of 137
7/17/02 at 1:31pm
I have to admit here that I'm still using OS 9.2.2: my criterion for "going X" was a matur release, which I think OS X 10.2 represents.

I've just pre-ordered Jaguar from the Apple Store for £110 UK, which equates to $172 US. Am I bitching? No. this is what I expect to pay for a full-fledged operating system.

My first Mac (PowerPC 5200, or Performa 5200 in the UK) came with 7.5 (I think!), and I bought OS 8 when it was released. This was steadily upgraded for free until I bought my Cube with OS 9.0.4, which has been steadily upgraded for free.

So, am I just being smug? No: I appreciate the work the early adopters of X have done in taking the OS into the real world and doing real-world work with it. I do believe that you guys should pay less than full-whack for Jaguar.

But not free. Apple isn't a charity.
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post #29 of 137
7/17/02 at 1:31pm
[quote]Originally posted by BrianMacOS:
<strong>I could careless about the 129$ price tag. I get it for 69$ with my education discount.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I can get it for $69 too, but it just pisses me off that we need to pay full price.
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post #30 of 137
7/17/02 at 1:32pm
[quote] but this is a special case with OSX cuz this is the os we were supposed to have in the first place. Even apple admits that the OS was not finnished. <hr></blockquote>

I agree! 10.1 was widely regarded as being that complete OS. That explains why Apple offered it at a special price all the way until Jan/Feb this year. There is really no such thing any more as a "finished" OS. Nobody who is using 10.1 would claim it to be so. We will just need to deal with paying for the upgrades, and getting the updates for free. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
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post #31 of 137
7/17/02 at 1:45pm
OS 10.1 works quite well. It is better and more finished than any other OS out there. OS 10.2 is not just a bug fix. There are no bugs in 10.1 that are large enough to force you to upgrade. You are upgrading because you want the features in 10.2. That said, It's too expensive.

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post #32 of 137
7/17/02 at 1:54pm
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[quote]Originally posted by Eupfhoria:
<strong>OS 10.1 works quite well. It is better and more finished than any other OS out there. OS 10.2 is not just a bug fix. There are no bugs in 10.1 that are large enough to force you to upgrade.
[ 07-17-2002: Message edited by: Eupfhoria ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

i have a 933 with 512 of ram, and 10.1.3 is still sticky, windows resizing etc. much better than 10 but still not right, thats my only major complaint, and it pisses me off.
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post #33 of 137
7/17/02 at 2:03pm
Will all of you quit dragging MS into these threads just to try and make current grim situations in the Mac world appear better?!?! My god - GROW UP! And for the record, the WinXP upgrade (which was a complete overhaul - as I mentioned before) was $99 (some got it as low as $79, and $89). If the jaded zealots in this forum are going to constantly diss MS whenever Apple has a fall, at least get your facts straight first. I can not believe how truly clueless some of you are when it comes to Wintel world!
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post #34 of 137
7/17/02 at 2:05pm
So, anyone with an education discount want to order me a copy? I'll give you $69. lol, j/k
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post #35 of 137
7/17/02 at 2:10pm
[quote]Originally posted by Patchouli:
<strong>And for the record, the WinXP upgrade (which was a complete overhaul - as I mentioned before) was $99</strong><hr></blockquote>

Only for the Home edition. You may think it a fair comparison, but the $199 is really more accurate considering the severe disadvantages of the home edition compared to XP Pro.
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7/17/02 at 2:10pm
[quote] Will all of you quit dragging MS into these threads just to try and make current grim situations in the Mac world appear better?!?! My god - GROW UP! And for the record, the WinXP upgrade (which was a complete overhaul - as I mentioned before) was $99 (some got it as low as $79, and $89). If the jaded zealots in this forum are going to constantly diss MS whenever Apple has a fall, at least get your facts straight first. I can not believe how truly clueless some of you are when it comes to Wintel world! <hr></blockquote>

As much as I hate to say it, he is 100% correct. Aside from the whole "Win 98SE" fiasco, MS has NEVER charged a penny for anything short of a FULL system upgrade. That said, to be honest, I think a lot of the problem here is that it is being called 10.2. From what I have seen, the new features and bug fixes could EASILY qualify it as an OS 10.5 release. People would find that much easier to swallow, I suspect... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

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post #37 of 137
7/17/02 at 2:16pm
&lt;rant&gt;
Okay, so the Win XP upgrade for the cheesy Home Edition is $99, but the Professional Edition is $199. Bear in mind that is only for an upgrade; you'd still have to have the installation disks from a previous version. Also Win XP isn't a "major overhaul". It's basically Windows 2000 with a few interface modifications (re: OS X rip-offs).
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post #38 of 137
7/17/02 at 2:18pm
[quote]Originally posted by Fluffy:
<strong>

Only for the Home edition. You may think it a fair comparison, but the $199 is really more accurate considering the severe disadvantages of the home edition compared to XP Pro.</strong><hr></blockquote>XP Home and XP Pro are identical OSs. The only difference is that the Pro version has more networking capabilities which the average home user will never need. Severe disadvantages?! Do tell.
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post #39 of 137
7/17/02 at 2:23pm
[quote] I think a lot of the problem here is that it is being called 10.2. <hr></blockquote>

Someone mentioned this yesterday. They said that NeXt would make major releases w/a single decimal point (10.2) and minor releases w/double decimals (10.1.5). This seems to be the method Apple is using. If this is the case, I expect 10.5 would be almost 2years off.

Well, I'm not happy about about having to pay full price. I think it would have been fair to extend an upgrade offer to all current users.

A friend of mine recently 'switched.' I think it was a month or two ago, so he is not eligible for the up-to-date. Welcome to Macintosh.
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7/17/02 at 2:23pm
[quote]Originally posted by Dennis the Phantom Menace:
<strong>&lt;rant&gt;
Okay, so the Win XP upgrade for the cheesy Home Edition is $99, but the Professional Edition is $199. Bear in mind that is only for an upgrade; you'd still have to have the installation disks from a previous version. Also Win XP isn't a "major overhaul". It's basically Windows 2000 with a few interface modifications (re: OS X rip-offs).
&lt;/rant&gt;</strong><hr></blockquote>I rest my case with this comment. Yes, a complete overhaul going from Win 98/Me to XP - which is exactly what the home user did - so you're wrong. Oh please, the home edition is not cheesy, it's the same exact OS as Pro with the exception of the above. Agreed, Windows 2000 to XP Pro was a less severe upgrade, but it added a ton of multimedia capabilities to an OS that had very little.
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