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Originally Posted by fossiloflife View Post

iPhone pricing insane in INDIA! priced 300times more.. how sad can it get!
this is really a very bad marketing gimmick!
is APPLE not even bothered ????

It is selling for about $715 for the 8GB version and for about $830 for the 16GB version
post #42 of 93
Errr....

Off-Topic I believe
post #43 of 93
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It is selling for about $715 for the 8GB version and for about $830 for the 16GB version

WTF?
Are you also gonna complain that Mercedes are $50,000?

I really don't get people complaining on these forums. This is not Apple's headquarters. Wanna complain, go to the Indian Mobile Company that sells the iPhone and ask them. Apple places a unit price for an order. Less you order more the cost. Simple BUSINESS MODEL.


Anyway, back to our story...
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post #44 of 93
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Originally Posted by fossiloflife View Post

iPhone pricing insane in INDIA! priced 300times more.. how sad can it get!
this is really a very bad marketing gimmick!
is APPLE not even bothered ????

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Originally Posted by Vegasdodger View Post

Errr....

Off-Topic I believe

yes it is off topic! but its iPhone
post #45 of 93
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Originally Posted by fossiloflife View Post

iPhone pricing insane in INDIA! priced 300times more.. how sad can it get!
this is really a very bad marketing gimmick!
is APPLE not even bothered ????

300 times more? Exaggerate much?


The full price* of the iPhone in the US will be $600 for the 8GB and $700 for the 16GB. Vodaphone is requiring signup with purchase, but it might be a no-contract pay-as-you-go plan, which is the norm in India. That price already includes any import tax and I assume the Indian VAT. So the price isn't as exorbitant as it seems.

* AT&T has listed this is as the contract-free price but they appear to be waiting until the demand dies down or perhaps when more countries come on board before offering it.
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post #46 of 93
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"This is a known iPhone bug that is being fixed in the next software update in September," reads the one-line message from the Apple co-founder.

I too can verify this email as I received a similar response. (I got super fanboy geeked btw) I have been bit hard by this bug, and a downgrade to iTunes 7.7 seems to fix it.
post #47 of 93
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Originally Posted by fossiloflife View Post

yes it is off topic! but its iPhone

That is true. I can't believe that nobody is talking about all the benefits we received from 2.02!
Screw September! My iPhone became self-aware after the firmware update. It keeps popping up message dialogs about "Connecting to SKYNET." and now I have a bunch of listings in my contacts for "Connor." I don't know any Sarahs or Johns. Hmmm!

Anyhoo, it now makes a mean Quesadilla, asks for my vodka preference and randomly calls escort services while charging someone else's credit card

If we're going to make it off-topic may as well go all the way.

I would gladly pay 300 times the price of the iPhone for this added new functionality
post #48 of 93
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

300 times more? Exaggerate much?


The full price* of the iPhone in the US will be $600 for the 8GB and $700 for the 16GB. Vodaphone is requiring signup with purchase, but it might be a no-contract pay-as-you-go plan, which is the norm in India. That price already includes any import tax and I assume the Indian VAT. So the price isn't as exorbitant as it seems.

* AT&T has listed this is as the contract-free price but they appear to be waiting until the demand dies down or perhaps when more countries come on board before offering it.


yes i do agree there is no contract system in India! But then its not priced good for the Indian market! INR 25k would have been reasonable... but its priced @ INR31k for 8gb...why compare contract system when it doesn't exist out here its not a fare deal!
post #49 of 93
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Originally Posted by vegasdodger View Post

that is true. I can't believe that nobody is talking about all the benefits we received from 2.02!
Screw september! My iphone became self-aware after the firmware update. It keeps popping up message dialogs about "connecting to skynet." and now i have a bunch of listings in my contacts for "connor." i don't know any sarahs or johns. Hmmm!

Anyhoo, it now makes a mean quesadilla, asks for my vodka preference and randomly calls escort services while charging someone else's credit card

if we're going to make it off-topic may as well go all the way.

I would gladly pay 300 times the price of the iphone for this added new functionality

funny "effing" post


outstanding !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
post #50 of 93
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Originally Posted by fossiloflife View Post

yes i do agree there is no contract system in India! But then its not priced good for the Indian market! INR 25k would have been reasonable... but its priced @ INR31k for 8gb...why compare contract system when it doesn't exist out here its not a fare deal!

When I was India last year the Nokia store near me had an N95 w/out 8GB for 35,000-37,000Rs and the Sony Store had a PS3 for about 42,000Rs. The country is really poor on average as their isn't much of a middle class to speak of. But he people that have money seem to have a lot of it so I don't think the price is outrageous when compared to other higher-end electronic devices.
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post #51 of 93
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Originally Posted by noriyori View Post

I find it kinda funny/disappointing that my hacked iphone running v. 1.x.x ran fine with tons of unregulated apps and now apples app store and (supposedly) tested apps on v. 2.0.x are having so many problems. I had to restore my iphone three times just to get mail to launch. Maybe apple should start hiring some people from the iphone hackers dev team...

It is interesting isn't it. Hmmmmmm....... Hacked iPhones work while the so-called phones blessed by He Who Must Not Be Named are in the shitter.
post #52 of 93
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

When I was India last year the Nokia store near me had an N95 w/out 8GB for 35,000-37,000Rs and the Sony Store had a PS3 for about 42,000Rs. The country is really poor on average as their isn't much of a middle class to speak of. But he people that have money seem to have a lot of it so I don't think the price is outrageous when compared to other higher-end electronic devices.

Nokia prices keep crashing each month....can we expect the same with iPhone i don't think so! and you are totally wrong on the middle class part! @this price too iPhone is gonna sell like hot cakes but on the lager view iPhone is gonna lose ground as Indian consumer base is not easy to crack! its a risk apple is taking
post #53 of 93
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and you are totally wrong on the middle class part!

The Indian National Council of Applied Economic Research has defined 'middle class' to mean those earning between $4,000$21,000 annually. That covers 65M people or about 5.5% of a 1.147B populace (CIA World Fact Book).

I'd call the class that should be the largest to be smallest to as "isn't much of a middle class to speak of."
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post #54 of 93
Not had any problems with apps on both my 1st gen and my new 3G iPhone since I started to ONLY install apps using iTunes and not from the iPhone App store.

Also,

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Nokia prices keep crashing each month....can we expect the same with iPhone

Nokia prices are never high for long due to their product release schedule. Nokia tend to revise/replace products on a quarterly basis and always have done. Generally Nokia will do a production run of xx million units and then switch production to the next model. They are able to do this because the networks buy the handsets in huge bulk.

The networks are then left with loads of handsets that they must offload before the new models appear. Hence the quick price drops.

The iPhone will, almost certainly, be revised on an annual basis. e.g. more storage, better camera etc. I would also expect to see a budget/nano iPhone by June 2009 aimed for the pay as you go market which is huge in europe.
post #55 of 93
Back on topic, all of my third party are now unusable. They were working for the first 24 hours or so after installing 2.0.2 .Previously this happened intermittently and I had been able to restore functionality by reseting the settings and/or rebooting. Also, when this happened, at least a few apps works. Now none do.
post #56 of 93
That's depressing! Looks like I am up for an OS X install to get this .Mac syncing back to normal.

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Both my 10.4.11 Macs have been syncing perfectly with .Mac throughout the whole MobileMe mess.
post #57 of 93
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Originally Posted by bstern View Post

I had almost the exact same problem last night. Suddenly, but some time after I experienced an aborted app update on the phone, none of my 3rd party apps would start. Some people said the solution was to downgrade to iTunes 7.7.0, or not to upgrade to 2.0.2.

I was able to resolve the problem (thus far!) using iTunes 7.7.1 and the 2.0.2 firmware:

1) in the iPhone tab in iTunes, disable syncing apps and sync - that will uninstall all apps
2) manually remove the remaining 3rd party apps that step (1) didn't wipe
3) undock and reboot the iPhone
4) reauthorize your computer in iTunes (Store -> Authorize Computer)
5) redock and re-enable syncing off apps, and sync

The process lasted several hours, but today my 3rd party apps have been behaving.

My guess is that some DRM file or certificate got corrupted by the aborted iphone app update, and that in my case, the computer re-auth somehow restored the certificate, followed by the app re-install, which probably re-signed all the apps with the new cert.

Henceforth I will not be updating apps via the iPhone app store.

Oh well, it only lasted until I rebooted the phone (this evening) - now all of the 3rd party apps bail out after 1 sec upon app startup ... really annoying!
post #58 of 93
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Originally Posted by auxio View Post

I'm guessing the iPhone suffers from some of the same problems Mac OS X at large does: needing to repair permissions every now and then. In fact, I'm backing up some stuff on my MBP right now so that I can reinstall Mac OS on it because Disk Utility can't even repair permissions anymore (and I can't install anything because the permissions are messed up so bad).

In 7 years I've never had to repair permissions. What are you doing to your OSX installs that f*ck up the permissions on files?


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I think Apple seriously needs to look into having a proper install management system. I've run various flavors of UNIX for years and never had to repair permissions on a regular basis. Obviously Installer.app and whatever the Software Update mechanism uses aren't cutting it. Same goes for whatever is managing software installs on the iPhone.

I think this is two seperate problems. One seems to be whatever you're doing with your OSX installs to f*ck them up which frankly isn't the installation process, while the iPhone issue seems to be the inability of the iPhone to run apps that are owned by more than one user id if the above report of sshing in and changing permissions is anything to go by. IIRC the iPhone 2.x OS sandboxes the apps which would prevent access to other user's data just as 'jailshell' or similar does.
post #59 of 93
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Originally Posted by ColeSQ View Post

Keep your eye on it, and don't download anything on your phone. If you do download an update for example, make sure you remove the original version of the app from your phone first and download the new one in iTunes on your computer. Then delete the app from iTunes without deleting the file itself, rename the file removing any numbers appended to it, and delete the original earlier version if it still exists just before doing this.

I guess I'm really sharing this with everyone because the bug bit me and I think I finally bit back. After having this problem every day I used this method to completely eliminate the problem and haven't looked back since, but I don't believe we're out of the woods just yet.

Sounds very interesting. Can you be a little more specific on the exact steps, e.g. "rename the file removing any numbers" etc... Thanks much.
post #60 of 93
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Originally Posted by donlphi View Post

MACWORLD January 6, 2009:

"One more thing...

We are pulling all 3rd Party Apps from the iPhone and iPod Touch. We told you so! "

OOPS

One more thing..

Enterprise's are banning Iphones from their network cause it sucks and can't run their third party apps.

They told us so!!.
post #61 of 93
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Originally Posted by Ensign Pulver View Post

For fuck's sake, it's "Jobs's".

Why has the entire world lost the ability to properly use the apostrophe? Did none of you people get out of the third grade? It's bad enough when some teenage leet-speaker does it, but to have it misused in published articles is simply inexcusable.


Well you're right and wrong on this.

Grammarbook.com has this entry.

NOTE: Although names ending in s or an s sound are not required to have the second s added in possessive form, it is preferred.
Mr. Jones's golf clubs
Texas's weather
Ms. Straus's daughter
Jose Sanchez's artwork
Dr. Hastings's appointment (name is Hastings)
Mrs. Lees's books (name is Lees)

However AP Style Book is the standard guide in the news business state that Singular Proper Names ending in S do not use the apostrophe. They even go on to use Jesus' Life as an example of how it is to be used. There are examples of exceptions such as St. James's Place. As great as Steve Jobs is, I don't think he deserves and exemption if Jesus doesn’t.

Both Grammar Book and AP Style
have quite lengthy entries on apostrophe usage. There is quite a bit more than what a 3rd grader would go over in class. Quite possibly more than their teachers know about as well. So while I'm sure that you got out of the third grade, I'll put money that the author has a bit of experience in writing and, because they actually used the correct rule for the venue, has definitely gotten out of the 3rd grade.

As for the iPhone I look forward to these fixes. I've been fortunate and haven't had to much trouble with my apple devices. Well except for the whole laptop hard drive dying on me in Iraq. My G4 PowerBook got a "Purple MotherBoard" during the Surge.
post #62 of 93
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Originally Posted by Ensign Pulver View Post

For f**k's sake, it's "Jobs's".

Why has the entire world lost the ability to properly use the apostrophe? Did none of you people get out of the third grade? It's bad enough when some teenage leet-speaker does it, but to have it misused in published articles is simply inexcusable.

Your grammar is correct. However, your use of profanity is contrary to the conditions for posting here. Suggest you clean up your act.
post #63 of 93
Yeah, my Tetris stopped working. Between Mobile Me and the iPhone I'm getting sick of Apple.
post #64 of 93
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Originally Posted by dvillus View Post

Well you're right and wrong on this.

Grammarbook.com has this entry.

NOTE: Although names ending in s or an s sound are not required to have the second s added in possessive form, it is preferred.
Mr. Jones's golf clubs
Texas's weather
Ms. Straus's daughter
Jose Sanchez's artwork
Dr. Hastings's appointment (name is Hastings)
Mrs. Lees's books (name is Lees)

However AP Style Book is the standard guide in the news business state that Singular Proper Names ending in S do not use the apostrophe. They even go on to use Jesus' Life as an example of how it is to be used. There are examples of exceptions such as St. James's Place. As great as Steve Jobs is, I don't think he deserves and exemption if Jesus doesnt.

Both Grammar Book and AP Style
have quite lengthy entries on apostrophe usage. There is quite a bit more than what a 3rd grader would go over in class. Quite possibly more than their teachers know about as well. So while I'm sure that you got out of the third grade, I'll put money that the author has a bit of experience in writing and, because they actually used the correct rule for the venue, has definitely gotten out of the 3rd grade.

As for the iPhone I look forward to these fixes. I've been fortunate and haven't had to much trouble with my apple devices. Well except for the whole laptop hard drive dying on me in Iraq. My G4 PowerBook got a "Purple MotherBoard" during the Surge.

You know what i like about your post?.. it put the original poster, who is a jerk, in his place. I hate nerds who feel they need to come into forums and instead of criticizing an article, does spelling and grammar check. Why the hell don't they just email the publisher instead of going into a forum to demonstrate how smart they are?. Geekiness is not sexy. Besides, how many people care that Jobs name does not have an apostrophe (i don't).
post #65 of 93
I've had this happen once, after updating an app over wifi. A restore solved the problem.
post #66 of 93
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Originally Posted by dvillus View Post

Well you're right and wrong on this.

Grammarbook.com has this entry.

NOTE: Although names ending in s or an s sound are not required to have the second s added in possessive form, it is preferred.
Mr. Jones's golf clubs
Texas's weather
Ms. Straus's daughter
Jose Sanchez's artwork
Dr. Hastings's appointment (name is Hastings)
Mrs. Lees's books (name is Lees)

However AP Style Book is the standard guide in the news business state that Singular Proper Names ending in S do not use the apostrophe. They even go on to use Jesus' Life as an example of how it is to be used. There are examples of exceptions such as St. James's Place. As great as Steve Jobs is, I don't think he deserves and exemption if Jesus doesn’t.

Both Grammar Book and AP Style
have quite lengthy entries on apostrophe usage. There is quite a bit more than what a 3rd grader would go over in class. Quite possibly more than their teachers know about as well. So while I'm sure that you got out of the third grade, I'll put money that the author has a bit of experience in writing and, because they actually used the correct rule for the venue, has definitely gotten out of the 3rd grade.

As for the iPhone I look forward to these fixes. I've been fortunate and haven't had to much trouble with my apple devices. Well except for the whole laptop hard drive dying on me in Iraq. My G4 PowerBook got a "Purple MotherBoard" during the Surge.

Never used the AP Style Book. My bible for such is The Chicago Manual of Style, or for short, The Chicago Manual.

The Chicago Manual, published by the University of Chicago press, is regarded as the reference source for authors, editors and copywriters, particularly in publishing and advertising. Twice as big and nearly double the cost of the AP Style Handbooks, has probably allowed a lessor style guide as the AP handbooks to become as attractive as it is.

However, I digress.

I would take The Chicago Manual's as my definitive reference guide. In it, the possessive ending for proper names ending in sibilants such as Jobs, is 's and would, therefore, be written as Jobs's. Using it, as such, is not in question.
post #67 of 93
Well, after yesterday game crash my iPhone took 6 hours to back up last night!! It used to take less than 5 min before.
post #68 of 93
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Originally Posted by wnurse View Post

You know what i like about your post?.. it put the original poster, who is a jerk, in his place. I hate nerds who feel they need to come into forums and instead of criticizing an article, does spelling and grammar check. Why the hell don't they just email the publisher instead of going into a forum to demonstrate how smart they are?. Geekiness is not sexy. Besides, how many people care that Jobs name does not have an apostrophe (i don't).

Yeah, what I think is ironic is that those correcting other's grammar usually have some typographical error in their post.

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I'm guessing the iPhone suffers from some of the same problems Mac OS X at large does: needing to repair permissions every now and then. In fact, I'm backing up some stuff on my MBP right now so that I can reinstall Mac OS on it because Disk Utility can't even repair permissions anymore (and I can't install anything because the permissions are messed up so bad).

I think Apple seriously needs to look into having a proper install management system. I've run various flavors of UNIX for years and never had to repair permissions on a regular basis. Obviously Installer.app and whatever the Software Update mechanism uses aren't cutting it. Same goes for whatever is managing software installs on the iPhone.

If permissions can be repaired with an app, why can't an automated process be made to repair permissions on a regular basis by Apple? The whole permissions thing in OSX is absurd and un-Apple-ish.

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post #70 of 93
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Originally Posted by fossiloflife View Post

It is selling for about $715 for the 8GB version and for about $830 for the 16GB version

Holy cow!

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post #71 of 93
"Though i were writing novel I and used that term I would not use apostrophe..." Try proof reading your lessons... "If I were writing a novel, and I used that term, I would not use an apostrophe..."
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post #72 of 93
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

Holy cow!

Is that an India joke?

Some people are sensitive about mocking religion.
post #73 of 93
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Originally Posted by quinney View Post

Is that an India joke?

Some people are sensitive about mocking religion.

I would call it a bigoted, insensitive, feeble, another failed attempt at being funny.
post #74 of 93
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby View Post

I would call it a bigoted, insensitive, feeble, another failed attempt at being funny.

I mock, belittle, and berate religion - as it deserves - any chance I get. Not that the stupidity of it all needs any help protecting religion for the silly reasons we do today are in my view bigoted, insensitive, feeble attempts to smack logic in the face. alas, I digress.

No problems for me on 2.0.2 although I dont run any intensive apps, mainly just facebook for the occasional IM and apple remote. i've got a few things on the burner.. I have the SDK but not part of the program so I can't run anything natively on my phone at this point. My hope is that over the coming months when my stuff is ready these kinks will be ironed out.
post #75 of 93
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I mock, belittle, and berate religion - as it deserves - any chance I get. Not that the stupidity of it all needs any help protecting religion for the silly reasons we do today are in my view bigoted, insensitive, feeble attempts to smack logic in the face. alas, I digress.

Have you ever persuaded anyone to give up their religion by mocking, belittling, or
berating (or by using logic, for that matter)? Your weapons are useless in this endeavor.

I would be willing to bet that you have not, and rather that you have only
succeeded in increasing the amount of anger and separation people feel. This is not
productive on the level of individuals, groups, or nations. Try to think of a way
to help people become enlightened without the potential for violence.

I only pointed out the offensive attempt at humor, because I think it
detracts from the purpose of these forums to have religion dragged into the
discussions.
post #76 of 93
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Originally Posted by quinney View Post

Have you ever persuaded anyone to give up their religion by mocking, belittling, or
berating (or by using logic, for that matter)? Your weapons are useless in this endeavor.

I would be willing to bet that you have not, and rather that you have only
succeeded in increasing the amount of anger and separation people feel. This is not
productive on the level of individuals, groups, or nations. Try to think of a way
to help people become enlightened without the potential for violence.

I only pointed out the offensive attempt at humor, because I think it
detracts from the purpose of these forums to have religion dragged into the
discussions.

With your second and last sentence I agree. For the rest, I only offer a quote that I agree with from the great Ron White, "You can't fix stupid." But to use a food metaphore, the topic of this thread is much like a Callifornia buriito. It has it's essential delicious ingredients such as carne asada, cheese, french fries, sour cream, quacamole and pico all wrapped up in a fresh tortilla... but it's much more enjoyable with hot sauce to augment the experience.

You will notice however after my slight dig at the crazies, there was some mildy on-topic discussion. Now you've gone and broken my wonderful track record.
post #77 of 93
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I mock, belittle, and berate religion - as it deserves - any chance I get. Not that the stupidity of it all needs any help protecting religion for the silly reasons we do today are in my view bigoted, insensitive, feeble attempts to smack logic in the face. alas, I digress.

I have no problem with your views on religion. Differences of opinion are needed and in many cases sorely missed, however I see no reason to take a shot at someone just because the opportunity was there. It illustrates a sophomoric and myopic world view that has us hip deep in shit right now globally.

Back to digressing. I too have not had any of the problems (knocking on my forehead at the moment) that so many are having. I might just be one of the lucky few.
post #78 of 93
I am having the same problem with my iPod touch, specifically Monkey ball and CroMag crash most times when they get to the splash screen. I hope the iPod users get an update as well, stop treating us like second class citizens!!
post #79 of 93
My third-party apps seem to be working fine. Lately, however, I have noticed a bug in forums which causes random attacks on grammar and religion, instead of typical discussions on AppleInsider articles. Hope to see a fix soon!
post #80 of 93
It just works - sometimes.
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