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Originally Posted by Rot'nApple View Post

That alone justifies the lawsuit.

Then make the lawsuit about the product not working.
Then see where things fall.

And while at it, we better sue for a whole lot of other devices too. In Australia the law is that if the product doesn't work as advertised or is faulty, you get your money back. (Many shops try to palm you off to warranty though).


Am I missing something - the lawsuit sounds like it's about false advertising.
post #82 of 212
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Originally Posted by Rot'nApple View Post

And if the 3G iPhone reverts to speeds of the original iPhone, then nothing was gained for her purchase of a less expensive phone but a more expensive rate plan.

Tell me she doesn't have GPS service in her area, too, so she couldn't enjoy any of the newer hardware features of the iPhone 3G.

Sometimes cellular service providers--Verizon included--charge $10/month just for GPS.
http://www.mobiledia.com/news/43507.html
post #83 of 212
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

But a class action lawsuit generally doesn't help the consumer. It might get a small coupon to buy another product from the same company. Relatively speaking, it's just a slap on the hand and the company that was sued can go about their business.

So I guess Erin Brockovich... :

And PG&E's slap on the hand...

And the people it helped past, present and future... \

All good natured ribbing aside...

Sometimes, some good can come about and if the movie about the company, the people harmed, the investigation, the monetary award, if that was all true, well what can I say.

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post #84 of 212
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Originally Posted by Rot'nApple View Post

My "Can you hear me now? No! take on Verizon's commercial is merely satire of someone who cannot for the life of them get reliable 3G

Oh, a foreign commercial :-)
Sorry, had no idea.
post #85 of 212
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Originally Posted by GregAlexander View Post

Then make the lawsuit about the product not working.
Then see where things fall.

Can't do that, some members on these and other forums are enjoying 3G, so the product in those cases works.


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Originally Posted by GregAlexander View Post

Am I missing something - the lawsuit sounds like it's about false advertising.

Isn't Apple working on a fix to rectify 3G issues? It's hard to enjoy all those twice as fast features as advertised in Apple's commercial, when your 3G iPhone device connects "less than a quarter of the time" in an area that Apple's own partner carrier says should provide "excellent" 3G coverage.

It's not a matter of hating the device and returning it. It's a matter that Apple apparently had major issues with some of their products and that these problems are denying some customers all the benefits that Apple's advertisement said they would enjoy. Not that they would enjoy it 100% all the time, but definitely more than, I would like to think, 25% of the time. Would Apples sales average of 95 iPhones per day per store ring true, if the customer knows that there may be severe limitations for what ever reason 75% of the time that you would not enjoy twice as fast speeds. Would you have bought a 3G iPhone if 3G would "work" less than 25% of the time?

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post #86 of 212
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

it promises Internet access "twice as fast"

Here the ads say "really fast" instead.

I have no problem getting 1.5Mbit/s on the iPhone though.

However it gives poorer reception than my previous 5 3G phones, it's as bad as my first 3G phone from 2003 - however much of that was due to the Network still being built out back then.

I have an officially unlocked iPhone 3G and have changed network. Speeds are vastly better on my new network, but the reception in marginal areas is still not up to scratch.
post #87 of 212
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

http://www.apple.com/iphone/gallery/ads/unslow/

"3G not available in all areas."

But GUARANTEED at Steve's Keynote speech!

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post #88 of 212
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

Tell me she doesn't have GPS service in her area, too, so she couldn't enjoy any of the newer hardware features of the iPhone 3G.

Sometimes cellular service providers--Verizon included--charge $10/month just for GPS.
http://www.mobiledia.com/news/43507.html

I'm not sure but doesn't GPS require 3G service?

If not, why didn't Apple put GPS in the first iPhone versus all that triangulation of cell tower and wifi signals etc. that would pinpoint your location in a 10 block radius versus within exactly 10 feet of where GPS says you are?

If GPS requires fast 3G speeds for the triangulation of satellites in outer space, and she is only getting 3G less than 25% of the time, then GPS, along with other benefits, cannot be truly enjoyed.

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post #89 of 212
It's been nice jawboning with everyone tonight, but I'm headed for bed.

To all those that have a working 3G iPhone - terrific!

To all those that have a 3G iPhone and wished they had 3G iPhone - hang in there, I'm sure it won't be long.

At least you have an iPhone to marvel and praise or bitch about. I, on the other hand, am economically unable at this point in time. I cannot increase the monthly cost of my cellular service so I stick to my low rate, non 3G, 5 year old crappy phone. For now...

GOOD NIGHT ONE AND ALL!!!!

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post #90 of 212
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Originally Posted by Rot'nApple View Post

I'm not sure but doesn't GPS require 3G service?

If not, why didn't Apple put GPS in the first iPhone versus all that triangulation of cell tower and wifi signals etc.

No, GPS doesn't require 3G service. Google Maps do download over the internet though, so without internet it's a bit useless. Regular maps download fine on 2G, but satellite pictures are slow.

Apple chose not to include GPS in the first iPhone. Perhaps it was to save power, perhaps it was to save space...
post #91 of 212
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Originally Posted by Rot'nApple View Post

But GUARANTEED at Steve's Keynote speech!

Where in the keynote did Jobs guarantee that 3G would be universally available?

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Isn't Apple working on a fix to rectify 3G issues? It's hard to enjoy all those twice as fast features as advertised in Apple's commercial, when your 3G iPhone device connects "less than a quarter of the time" in an area that Apple's own partner carrier says should provide "excellent" 3G coverage.

One could make the argument that Apple is as much a victim as the complainant if the problem is that ATT overstated their 3G coverage in areas. Perhaps this is part of the reason that Apple must now rework the 3G iPhone firmware.

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But if her experience is such that she never got to enjoy 3G service and thus 3G speeds and thus could not experience twice as fast as the original iPhone, then she never had a "3G" iPhone, did she? And if the 3G iPhone reverts to speeds of the original iPhone, then nothing was gained for her purchase of a less expensive phone but a more expensive rate plan.

Using your logic, Apple should be unwilling to sell the iPhone to anyone in Vermont, Nebraska, Idaho and countless other places because someone residing/working there will be unable to enjoy the benefits of 3G. Of course, this would then need to be applied to other handset makers whose 3G speeds are not available in all areas. Are you suggesting you prefer the furtherance of the "nanny state"?
post #92 of 212
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

You would have to penalize every computer and electronics manufacturer because at some point they sold a defective product.

True tenobell, but if they warranted being sued, they should be.
post #93 of 212
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Originally Posted by physguy View Post

Are you kidding???? You've not even come close to stating anything quantitive which, of course, is the normal course of business on these forums. Whatever is emotionally satisfying goes. How does the 3G iPhone compare to the 1G? Do you have any statistics to compare? Do you have any idea what quantitative means?

Apple's claims weren't relative to Nokia they were relative to the 1G iPhone? I don't know if they're right or wrong. I do know that with the 10 3G iPhone's we've purchased they are easily more that 2x faster than the 1G where there is 3G service. Every FACT I have at my disposal support Apple's claims but I'm the first to admit I don't have statistics EITHER way. Swish!!!

Did you bother to read my disclaimer that my test was not scientific or were you too busy typing to read it. I was simply saying and I can go slower if you want, that my other 3G phones seem to perform better than Apple's supposed 3G phone. You are clearly free to read whatever else you want into. Add pixies, fairies, rabbits, ducks, whatever you need to get some sort of edification out of creating jack when none was called for.

Check and mate.
post #94 of 212
did i seriously just read that "there is no doubt" that the iphone is slower compared to other phones on 3g networks? PROVE that is the case for every person. my friend has a samsung instinct and my FIRST GEN iphone can load web pages faster almost every time, as well as youtube videos (which is startlingly better on the iphone, along with just about every other aspect of the 2 phones including his scratched-to-hell screen thanks to cheap plastic). my coworker's 3g iphone loads pages much faster than my iphone, so in fact THERE IS NO DOUBT the iphone 3g is faster than the first gen iphone. if a witch burns and wood burns and both wood and ducks float in water, then if someone weighs the same as a duck they must be a witch.
post #95 of 212
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Originally Posted by bigmc6000 View Post

Nah - it's a ploy by MS and RIM to try to get some negative press for the iPhone

I'm with you tho - this seems like a bit of a paper-thin argument and a good lawyer (of which Apple has plenty) could defeat it. I wonder if the 2.0.2 update fixed it for her - now wouldn't that be funny - haha.

By the time this ever makes it to any real resolution Apple will have released another update that should fix the problem for all but maybe .5% of people at most.

Required Vista upgrades killed my audio card - I think I should file a class action suit...

i have been an APPLE DIE HARD FANBOY (fan man now) 'since '1984 i am an IT TECH in nyc- and i was # 19 on line July 11 at the Soho store in nyc- i waited one whole year and basically drooled over my friends who bought the 1st gen. i-Phone and figured i would wait it out so that i wouldn't be one of the 'testers' of the 1st one- and so when i got my new baby in my hand it was nothing but pure joy and happiness until i tried to use the phone to make calls (most of which were dropped) my mother in florida screamed at me and told me her verizon cell works in the caves in Puerto Rico and she couldn't stand the dropped call issue and insisted on giving me her calling card number so i can call her from a LAN line or other phone-- she also suggested that i'd return the phone back to Apple - i figured- well it must be something where they'll get the kinks out by the 2nd week of the release-

so i gave them the benefit of the doubt-i still had issues so i took the phone into the Soho store and they just replaced it for a new one- which was worse than my first one (the apple store GENIUS guy) also mentioned, after i asked him if what i was getting was a refurbished unit, told me that not at the moment, but that in a month or two he couldn't guarantee me that would be the case-
I have been reading the post on here and elsewhere and believe me when i tell u that i have been having problems

-even more so than before (i just ran the new update) and now my 3rd party apps don't work - the apple genius blamed it on the 3rd party developers - whatever the case may be i have to commend that young lady for her brave lawsuit - and who knows; maybe david might beat goliath here- and APPLE will fix this issue!!!

I STILL LOVE APPLE and remember what VISTA acronym stands for; Viruses Inevitable Stick To Apple = VISTA
post #96 of 212
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Originally Posted by Rot'nApple View Post

I'm not sure but doesn't GPS require 3G service?

No, Rot'n, the iPhone 3G has "a-GPS" (assisted GPS), which is superior to unassisted GPS, but doesn't require cellular service for localization. a-GPS can utilize cell tower signals and a database of cell tower locations accessed over the cellular data network to triangulate faster than using GPS satellite signals alone.
post #97 of 212
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Originally Posted by BigFatDuck View Post

did i seriously just read that "there is no doubt" that the iphone is slower compared to other phones on 3g networks? PROVE that is the case for every person. my friend has a samsung instinct and my FIRST GEN iphone can load web pages faster almost every time, as well as youtube videos (which is startlingly better on the iphone, along with just about every other aspect of the 2 phones including his scratched-to-hell screen thanks to cheap plastic). my coworker's 3g iphone loads pages much faster than my iphone, so in fact THERE IS NO DOUBT the iphone 3g is faster than the first gen iphone. if a witch burns and wood burns and both wood and ducks float in water, then if someone weighs the same as a duck they must be a witch.

Is it an African Swallow?
post #98 of 212
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Originally Posted by bigmc6000 View Post

Honestly, I don't think I've EVER had a product that performed as advertised and I'd challenge that none of you have either. Has your Mac ever crashed?* Has an application ever froze on you? ***Have you ever had a non-maintainance related problem with your vehicle? Have those Dr. Sholls insoles made you start "gellin"? (Had to throw that one in there for comic relief ) That's advertising - they always advertise the best case scenario - if you're still thinking that every single thing you buy is going to be 100% error free then you don't understand the nature of manufacturing on the massive scale these companies are operating on.

*I've never seen an advertisement claiming that macs never crash.
**I've never seen an advertisement claiming that apps never freeze.
***I've never seen an advertisement claiming that my car will never need maintenance.

This suit may seem petty but the point is that Apple promised 2x edge speeds. False advertising.

Your analogies are feeble, no matter how confidently you state them.
post #99 of 212
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby View Post

Exactamundo. Right on the money.

I have two other 3G phones.

Good for you although why you need three phones is anyones guess. Sell off the other two, iPhone is all you need and give the proceeds to charity.
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post #100 of 212
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Originally Posted by Mr Underhill View Post

Good for you although why you need three phones is anyones guess. Sell off the other two, iPhone is all you need and give the proceeds to charity.

Here's a thought. How about you minding your own biz when it comes to what I do with my money and I will do the same. Obviously your world is very, very tiny and you do not need more than the most basic to survive. Sooooo take your iPhone, stay in your lane and don't worry about how many phones I do and do not have, and where I choose to donate.

Mmmmk. Thanks for stopping by.
post #101 of 212
Apple will be forced to either pull the ads or add the same disclaimer they have on their website...

"Based on 3G and EDGE testing. Actual speeds vary by site conditions."


This is kinda like buying a crystal clear TV from BestBuy and taking it home to the middle of no where. After you hook it up, all you get is a crappy reception, which was nothing like what you saw in the store. Then filing a class action suit against the TV manufacturer, because your reception isn't as good as it was in the store or in the commercial. Ridiculous.

Stupid people are the reason we have so many Lawyers and Insurance Companies.
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post #102 of 212
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Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post

Apple will be forced to either pull the ads or add the same disclaimer they have on their website...

"Based on 3G and EDGE testing. Actual speeds vary by site conditions."

Stupid people are the reason we have so many Lawyers and Insurance Companies.

Well, it is now on the airwaves.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/sto...5617800&page=1
post #103 of 212
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Originally Posted by bitzandbitez View Post

she also suggested that i'd return the phone back to Apple

whatever the case may be i have to commend that young lady for her brave lawsuit - and who knows; maybe david might beat goliath here- and APPLE will fix this issue!!!

#1 Why didn't you just go to Apple and tell them you were having problems with the phone and have them check it out or have them replace it. As consumers in the US we have rights. One of those rights is, if it doesn't work as advertised you can return it and either get a replacement or get your money back.

#2 Brave lawsuit!? How is she being brave? You think this lawsuit is going to force Apple into fixing the problem she's having? Are you insane? All that will come of this is Apple forced to add a disclaimer on the commercials and in advertising.

#3 You don't think Apple is concerned about the issues? And that they aren't already trying hard to fix the problems? Of course they are! This is Apple, a company that pushes out bug fixes faster and more frequently than any other company. It's only been a little over a year now and Apple has pushed out 9 updates, including a major upgrade. (1.0.1, 1.0.2, 1.1.1, 1.1.2, 1.1.3, 1.1.4, 2.0.0, 2.0.1, 2.0.2)
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post #104 of 212
I do get 2x Edge speeds on my 3G iPhone in good network conditions. If the network is poor, why is that Apple's fault? Surly it's the service provider (AT&T, O2 etc) who are responsible for the network, not Apple?!
post #105 of 212
when will there be the first lawsuits on the lower than promised quality displays in MBPs?

I exportet the EDID Info of my screen including product code and checked the specs on the oem hardware producer's website.

My MacBookPro display only does 262k colours, not the promised "millions of colours". And it only has a contrast of 400:1 instead of the 500:1. I checked four further macbookpro displays of my friends and all do between 248k and 263k colours (there are 4 different producers). this is actually quite bad. especially because I bought the damn thing also for working on photos. Certain gradients just completely mess up. It all boils down to one thing:

Apple is selling a lot worse hardware quality than it used to. It's a rip off, and apple doesNOTcare.
post #106 of 212
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby View Post

Obviously your world is very, very tiny and you do not need more than the most basic to survive.

Well the last time i checked it was the same world as yours. That is unless your an alien of course. I mean you can use three phones at the same time.
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post #107 of 212
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Originally Posted by Mr Underhill View Post

Well the last time i checked it was the same world as yours. That is unless your an alien of course. I mean you can use three phones at the same time.

N82 = Work phone and number
E61 = Back up phone (just makes sense. Also is has an Arabic keyboard and is a converstation piece)
iPhone = Cool (need I say more? )
post #108 of 212
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Originally Posted by oliverwwb View Post

when will there be the first lawsuits on the lower than promised quality displays in MBPs?

I exportet the EDID Info of my screen including product code and checked the specs on the oem hardware producer's website.

My MacBookPro display only does 262k colours, not the promised "millions of colours". And it only has a contrast of 400:1 instead of the 500:1. I checked four further macbookpro displays of my friends and all do between 248k and 263k colours (there are 4 different producers). this is actually quite bad. especially because I bought the damn thing also for working on photos. Certain gradients just completely mess up. It all boils down to one thing:

Apple is selling a lot worse hardware quality than it used to. It's a rip off, and apple doesNOTcare.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...-displays.html
post #109 of 212
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby View Post

The phones I mentioned are 3G phones that perform as advertised. The iPhone is a 3G phone that doesn't. Is this crystal clear now? Game, set, match.

What's crystal clear is that you don't care for Apple even if you own some of their stuff and like to tweak fanbois. You seem positively gleeful when Apple has a misstep...
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Originally Posted by bitzandbitez View Post

i have been an APPLE DIE HARD FANBOY (fan man now) 'since '1984 i am an IT TECH in nyc- and i was # 19 on line July 11 at the Soho store in nyc- i waited one whole year and basically drooled over my friends who bought the 1st gen. i-Phone and figured i would wait it out so that i wouldn't be one of the 'testers' of the 1st one- and so when i got my new baby in my hand it was nothing but pure joy and happiness until i tried to use the phone to make calls

You have been an Apple fanboy/man for well over 20 years and you didn't know enough to consider the completely redesigned iPhone G3 a first gen product?

I did not see it as an update of the original iPhone but as a new product and I have only been a Mac fanman since 1990... It is new hardware and new software with new functionality afterall.

Still, I'm sorry your mom is mad at you. Thats never good...
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post #111 of 212
@penchanted: nice link! I completely overlooked/missed that. How interesting. It hits the spot nicely.
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Originally Posted by vinea View Post

What's crystal clear is that you don't care for Apple even if you own some of their stuff and like to tweak fanbois. You seem positively gleeful when Apple has a misstep...

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.................

Please write back with something relevant. This is a non starter.
post #113 of 212
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Apple expressly stated that these speeds were faster over a 3G connection, and they are

Uh - did they also explain their 3G connectivity was going to be CRAP around the world? I'm looking for it now in their published literature. If you find it first then let us know, OK?
post #114 of 212
I guess that being deep Bible Belt we can assume she's religious. Is she therefore also going to sue the church for misinforming her that the Earth is only 6000 years old, when in fact it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt that it is in fact around 4.5 billion years old.
post #115 of 212
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Originally Posted by Rot'nApple View Post

I would never yell at you.

But if I did, IT WOULD LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS!!!!!

Seriously, the post of yours and I quote, "The lawsuit is suing because Apple said the iPhone 3G is twice as fast as the original iPhone..."

But if her experience is such that she never got to enjoy 3G service and thus 3G speeds and thus could not experience twice as fast as the original iPhone, then she never had a "3G" iPhone, did she? And if the 3G iPhone reverts to speeds of the original iPhone, then nothing was gained for her purchase of a less expensive phone but a more expensive rate plan.

My "Can you hear me now? No!" take on Verizon's commercial is merely satire of someone who cannot for the life of them get reliable 3G to experience that "twice as fast as the original iPhone" no matter where they are, is all I'm saying.

But aren't you comparing the speed of a 3G in less than optimal condition to the speed of a 1G at optimal condition. Just because you're at a location that is getting a slow 3G connection doesn't mean that it's not twice as fast as a 1G. If the 1G were at that same location, that 1G speed might also be degraded.

If you're going to claim that your 3G phone isn't twice as fast as a 1G phone. You just can't compare the speed you're getting on your 3G with what's theoretically possible on a 1G. You need to get a 1G phone and compare them side by side. Under the same condition. A 3G phone can still be twice as fast as a 1G pnone, even if it never connects at 3G. That's because it's possible that under the same condition, the 1G phone might not make a connection at all.

Twice as fast is relative. 100mph is twice as fast as 50mph. But also, 2mph is twice as fast as 1mph. And 1mph is infinitely faster that 0.

Can you hear me now?

Now I do sympathize with people that can't get a desent 3G connection where they live. But just because Apple is trying to resolve the issue by updating the 3G firmware, it doesn't mean that it's not an ATT network problem.
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Originally Posted by oodlum View Post

*I've never seen an advertisement claiming that macs never crash.
**I've never seen an advertisement claiming that apps never freeze.
***I've never seen an advertisement claiming that my car will never need maintenance.

This suit may seem petty but the point is that Apple promised 2x edge speeds. False advertising.

Your analogies are feeble, no matter how confidently you state them.

The question isn't if they stated it would never crash - the question is did they admit that it might crash. The perception to the end user when you buy, say, a Honda is that it's built really well and isn't going to have the problems of a GM (warranted or not). I can't find anywhere that says "the OS may freeze from time to time, sorry" or "you may happen to get a defective rim and you'll blow out and crash on the highway but the chances are small so don't worry." Apple actually says, explicitly, that the speed tests were done by them, when they were done, what they compared it to and that 3G isn't available in all areas. From a "false advertising" perspective they are fine - it's your own fault for not reading the fine print before entering into a 2 year agreement with a $70+/month plan and ponying up $200+ for a phone.

Honestly - I knew this was going to happen tho. They priced it so low that now so many more people can afford it that people who don't understand a lick about technology are buying and complaining without realizing *why* there's a problem.

I've seen it in my office - people who've sent like 5 text messages their entire life and have never even owned an iPod have them. Which is great for Apple's numbers but when they ask me "how do I cut and paste" and I tell them they can't they are bummed. Do some research before you plunk down that much money - good grief. And if the phone is really that bad why on God's green earth would you keep it?!?!?!
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Originally Posted by niplij View Post

I guess that being deep Bible Belt we can assume she's religious. Is she therefore also going to sue the church for misinforming her that the Earth is only 6000 years old, when in fact it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt that it is in fact around 4.5 billion years old.

Oh that's nothing - I saw an article the other day about how Flat Earth believers are still out there! I'd say that trumps anything else...
post #118 of 212
Am I missing something here? When you go to Apple's website the first thing to appear states "Twice as fast. Half the price." -without any asterisk footnoting exceptions. This is also on all their print and TV advertising- with no disclaimers.
Now I'm not saying Apple is being deceptive- but that is what they state in all their advertising. Just being devil's advocate- pleez don't get mad people.
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Originally Posted by gYpSyNeRd View Post

Ridiculous & asinine behavior. How was AT&T left out from consideration in such an ill-intended, not so well thought "let's make some money" kind of an idea. No argument there may be issues in quality of service, but how does an Alabama Lawyer (presumably) and a citizen of same believe that somebody's trying to dupe them or that there's a chance in he!! they'll ever see a dime. Waste of energy better spent on getting an education by finding a college out of state somewhere.

Word from a phrase by Forrest Gump: AlaBAMA...

AT&T is left out because you can take another manufacturers 3G phone on the AT&T network, side by side with the iPhone and it spanks it in speed tests. This is a 3G iPhone issue, pure and simple. Apple should be praying it's not a hardware issue, this story and complaints have alot of traction and attention now.
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Oh that's nothing - I saw an article the other day about how Flat Earth believers are still out there! I'd say that trumps anything else...

I saw that as well.. surely it would be in the Flat Earthers interests, and the rest of the human population's come to think of it, to prove their point and find the edge of the earth, photograph it, document it and then jump off it!
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