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Apple again used a Friday to provide its developer community with new pre-release software for testing during the weekend, including new builds of Mac OS X 10.5.5 client, Mac OS X 10.5.5 server, and Safari 4.0.

Mac OS X 10.5.5 build 9F23

People familiar with the beta releases say a fourth external build of the company's Mac OS X 10.5.5 update landed as build 9F23, which addressed three minor issues, one of which pertained to Mail.app and home directory search.

Unlike the two previous builds, 9F23 is said to contain one known issue that hampers general searching of email messages in Mail.

Mac OS X Leopard Server 10.5.5 build 9F22

Arriving alongside its client cousin was build 9F22 of Mac OS X Leopard Server, those same people say. The release bundled five fixes, bringing the total number of code corrections expected as part of Mac OS X 10.5.5 Server to nearly four dozen.

Developers testing the new version of Server were reportedly asked to focus their testing efforts on seven core areas of the operating system, including Chat Server, WebObjects, Wiki Server, and Server Admin.

Mac OS X 10.5.5 Server is on track for a release alongside Mac OS X 10.5.5 Client in coming weeks.

Safari 4.0 Developer Preview

Separately, Apple is also reported to have equipped developers with new developer previews of Safari 4.0 for Leopard (build 40A12), Tiger (build 40A8), and Windows (build 40A12).

The new version of the popular web browser is said to bake in a slew of new features for developers, including a new "develop" menu, a redesigned Web Inspector, an integrated JavaScript debugger, and a JavaScript profiler.

Those familiar with the new builds of Safari 4 say the release also includes many of the enhancements bundled into the latest versions of WebKit, which is rich in support for HTML 5.

Specifically, Safari 4.0's implementation of Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) includes support for masks, gradients, reflections, and specifying a named canvas.

Also being carried over from the latest WebKit builds is rudimentary support for the WAI-ARIA (Rich Internet Application) and cross-site XMLHttpRequest specifications.

Among the technologies supported from HTML 5 are the ability to send messages between documents, storage of data either locally or just for the user's session, the option of running web applications outside of a browser or when disconnected from the network, and canvas pixel manipulation.
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I would just like the simple feature of being able to sort bookmarks. It would be neat to have bookmarks on a related site indented under the main bookmark too. Bookmarks need to be rethought and enhanced.

Oh, and give me a UI solution for managing tabs finally.
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I would just like the simple feature of being able to sort bookmarks. It would be neat to have bookmarks on a related site indented under the main bookmark too. Bookmarks need to be rethought and enhanced.

Oh, and give me a UI solution for managing tabs finally.

You can re-organize your bookmarks. Just chose "Show All Bookmarks" under the Bookmarks menu and then you can add new folders (of a specific topic) and then put related sites into the folder or you can move things around and do just about anything you want to do. Also, play around with the Bookmark bar.
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You can re-organize your bookmarks. Just chose "Show All Bookmarks" under the Bookmarks menu and then you can add new folders (of a specific topic) and then put related sites into the folder or you can move things around and do just about anything you want to do. Also, play around with the Bookmark bar.

Right, you can do just about anything but sort. Sorting in this context doesn't mean going in and manually sorting, it means sorting in alphabetical order automatically from a menu.
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I would love to be able to label bookmark folders with colors. When you have so many bookmarks and folders, it's just you difficult to use the indenting to quickly find a folder. This has been understood for years with the web site icons in bookmarks. It's about time we could do something like that too.
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Love the latest releases of Webkit with squirrelfish, it's so freaking fast, can't wait for a stable Safari 4 to come out. Hopefully the speed improvements will be applied to the iPhone too as it would be the most noticeable.
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Safari 4 w00t!
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Love the latest releases of Webkit with squirrelfish, it's so freaking fast, can't wait for a stable Safari 4 to come out. Hopefully the speed improvements will be applied to the iPhone too as it would be the most noticeable.

Yes but it lost to tracemonkey, coming @ Firefox 3.1

Mozilla did a great leap forward in their Javascript engine. I hope Webkit Catches up as well.
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Safari 4.0 sounds amazing, in theory. In theory.
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Yes but it lost to tracemonkey, coming @ Firefox 3.1

Mozilla did a great leap forward in their Javascript engine. I hope Webkit Catches up as well.

can you show me any benchmark where tracemonkey was competed against squirrelfish.
Where is the basis for your conclusion
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The new version of the popular web browser is said to bake in a slew of new features for developers, including a new "develop" menu, a redesigned Web Inspector, an integrated JavaScript debugger, and a JavaScript profiler.

These things are all in the 3.1.2 version. The profiler is nice as it shows how much bandwidth all the components of a page take up. The error console kind sucks IMO. The old one is much easier to work with. The new one just seems to randomly not show errors appearing, it's very annoying.
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A decent cookie manager in Safari 4, something like what Camino has, would be nice.
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can you show me any benchmark where tracemonkey was competed against squirrelfish.
Where is the basis for your conclusion

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roadm...t_lightsp.html

I haven't tried to download it. My own experience with FF3.0 and the WebKit with squirrlefish is that squirrlefish was notably faster, but not this much.

I like the competition, too. I wish Safari would feel the competitive urge to implement an add-on system like FF has.
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http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roadm...t_lightsp.html

I haven't tried to download it. My own experience with FF3.0 and the WebKit with squirrlefish is that squirrlefish was notably faster, but not this much.

I like the competition, too. I wish Safari would feel the competitive urge to implement an add-on system like FF has.

Thanks, but no PPC support (yet?) which would be the computers I want the extra speed on. "We have, right now, x86, x86-64, and ARM support in TraceMonkey."

And I really don't care for add-ons, I did at first and that's why I switched to FF but I found most of my add-ons where just to make FF look more like Safari The only thing I really care about is downthemall! to help speed up downloads. I know some people like ad-blockers but I always think websites look weird when they are not there as it can screw up the formating.

Glad to see FF is starting to speed up though.
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I would just like the simple feature of being able to sort bookmarks. It would be neat to have bookmarks on a related site indented under the main bookmark too. Bookmarks need to be rethought and enhanced.

Oh, and give me a UI solution for managing tabs finally.

There is a work-around:

Open Bookmarks, Select All and copy all your Bookmarks, and then Paste them in an empty folder on your desktop.

As you will see, all your bookmarks are now in alphabetical order.

Simply now Select All and Copy your sorted Bookmarks.

Go back to Safari, delete you previous order, and Paste in the newly sorted Bookmarks.
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There is a work-around:

Open Bookmarks, Select All and copy all your Bookmarks, and then Paste them in an empty folder on your desktop.

As you will see, all your bookmarks are now in alphabetical order.

Simply now Select All and Copy your sorted Bookmarks.

Go back to Safari, delete you previous order, and Paste in the newly sorted Bookmarks.

But the original poster wrote: "I would just like the simple feature..."
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Like last time, you can download this new release of Safari from ADC. Just downloaded and installed it and it seems to be going well . .
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Hope they'll fix this hang-ups in Safari. When I get into media rich sites Safari just stops to load, its not even talking to the html-interface of my wireless router and I have to close and reopen Safari.
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http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roadm...t_lightsp.html

I haven't tried to download it. My own experience with FF3.0 and the WebKit with squirrlefish is that squirrlefish was notably faster, but not this much.

I like the competition, too. I wish Safari would feel the competitive urge to implement an add-on system like FF has.

no where on that page is squirrelfish or webkit even mentioned. the benchmark is between firefox 3 and tracemonkey,
So back to my original question.
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A decent cookie manager in Safari 4, something like what Camino has, would be nice.

Want don't you like about the Safari Cookie manager?
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Its so hard to use a browser without Adblock Plus anymore...
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Want don't you like about the Safari Cookie manager?

Hey enough with the politics.

Vote for change Ireland !!
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Yes but it lost to tracemonkey, coming @ Firefox 3.1

Mozilla did a great leap forward in their Javascript engine. I hope Webkit Catches up as well.

I'm more concerned about getting a stable Firefox. Maybe the problem is with JS stuff, but I don't like having to restart the program every few days because it quits loading images or pages. I've begun to use Safari a little more as a result.

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Its so hard to use a browser without Adblock Plus anymore...

Last I checked, there were a few ad blocking add-ons for Safari. Have they all gone away?
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Safari 4.0 sounds amazing, in theory. In theory.

In theory communism works. In theory.
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As a web designer, I absolutely love the pace set by Safari.

I never thought I would be wishing the folks over at Mozilla could keep up.

Now all the community needs to do is find the right people in Microsoft, threaten them suitably, and get Internet Explorer's team to kick it up a notch. At least they've made fair improvements since they started on IE7.
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post #26 of 71
Wow, it's been out for a while...I've had mine for at least a month or so...
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Hey enough with the politics.

Vote for change Ireland !!

Keep it on topic please Fred
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But the original poster wrote: "I would just like the simple feature..."

Think I can't read? Just thought I would help somebody if they really wanted to do it. Actually it only takes a few seconds.

And for your information, it is probably not a good idea to make sorting simple.

When Microsoft IE first featured sorting with a simple click, it was highly praised. That is until it was realized that once done, there was no way to unsort the list. Since most users prioritize their Bookmarks, sorting them alphabetically soon became a feature that drew more criticism than it was worth.
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Think I can't read? Just thought I would help somebody if they really wanted to do it. Actually it only takes a few seconds.

And for your information, it is probably not a good idea to make sorting simple.

When Microsoft IE first featured sorting with a simple click, it was highly praised. That is until it was realized that once done, there was no way to unsort the list. Since most users prioritize their Bookmarks, sorting them alphabetically soon became a feature that drew more criticism than it was worth.

There is a program for Safari that allows you to alphabetize your bookmarks by folder, if you wanted to. The name is SafariSorter.

Another is Bookdog.

SafariSorter is pretty good. I haven't used Bookdog.

SS is free, and Bkdg is shareware.

If this link will work, it's the link to both in VersionTracker.

http://www.versiontracker.com/php/qs...cosx&submit=Go
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Its so hard to use a browser without Adblock Plus anymore...

Yes, thank goodness AdBlock is finally available for Safari:

http://code.google.com/p/safariblock/

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Give the devs time to check things out over the weekend and if everything is peachy, updates on tuesday?
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Sweet, I thought that the new Safari JS engine is faster then the upcoming FF JS engine?

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The new version of the popular web browser bakes in a slew of new features for developers, including a new "develop" menu, redesigned Web Inspector, integrated JavaScript debugger, and JavaScript profiler.

this sounds interesting though, redesigned develop menu? I wonder what is the enhancements.

I seriously hope Apple will release some sort of IDE or a feature similar to Interface Builder to use with SproutCore. If Apple does this, expect to see some cool web apps by next year.
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As a web designer, I absolutely love the pace set by Safari.

I never thought I would be wishing the folks over at Mozilla could keep up.

Now all the community needs to do is find the right people in Microsoft, threaten them suitably, and get Internet Explorer's team to kick it up a notch. At least they've made fair improvements since they started on IE7.

Now that IE8.0 will default to standards-compliant, what we really need to do is convince the idiots over at Microsoft to push out 8.0 on the automatic update system! Well, that or have someone hack the windows update system so it sends a script to every windows computer that deletes old versions of IE and replaces them with Firefox!
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Now that IE8.0 will default to standards-compliant, what we really need to do is convince the idiots over at Microsoft to push out 8.0 on the automatic update system! Well, that or have someone hack the windows update system so it sends a script to every windows computer that deletes old versions of IE and replaces them with Firefox!

I stopped reading what Microsoft to say about the subject about the twentieth time I heard them whining about 'breaking the internet'.

I might sacrifice a goat to them or something if they can finally get the box model down 100% with IE8. That would give me a warm fuzzy feeling. I need to go back and read where the story left off with their nonsense about freezing rendering engines unless web designers specifically opt in/out. I wish they'd just let all the broken sites break...

Anyway, this has been whined about through hundreds of pages on other forums.

If IE died and was replaced with Firefox my job satisfaction would go up considerably.
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no where on that page is squirrelfish or webkit even mentioned. the benchmark is between firefox 3 and tracemonkey,
So back to my original question.

it may be nice if you could even do a google search yourself. But i did it for you anyway.

http://www.masonchang.com/2008/08/tr...irrelfish.html

I am not sure if this trace routine can be implemented in Webkit. Since it promise to bring performance close to native speed.
post #37 of 71
I'm glad to see OS X continue to improve. I use it nearly every day, would not like to go back to Windows or Linux.
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There is a program for Safari that allows you to alphabetize your bookmarks by folder, if you wanted to. The name is SafariSorter.

Another is Bookdog.

SafariSorter is pretty good. I haven't used Bookdog.

SS is free, and Bkdg is shareware.

If this link will work, it's the link to both in VersionTracker.

http://www.versiontracker.com/php/qs...cosx&submit=Go

Doesn't appear to work with 10.4 or 10.5! ONly good for 10.2 thru 10.3.8
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Fixed the ugly buttons for web clippings.

Apple used to have Aqua buttons on a purple background which looked UGLY!

Now they have fixed this purple buttons on a purple background.

Interestingly the purple button pulsates as well.

Is this style of recessed button (not necessarily in purple) a sign of things to come from the UI?

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Unfortunately many websites are built around IE's "standards" so no matter how genius Safari, Firefox or any of the other browser develop it's still the Microsoft bottleneck in place.
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