Originally Posted by jfanning
They are pagers, they were (well they were where I came from) running on a different network. If you have an embedded device (or a data only device) that has a SIM card in it (I will use the majority of the world in this example and not the Qualcomm networks) it will be counted by the likes of Vodafone etc as a connection
Well, it's good that we can agree on what they are. But they still aren't cell phones, can't be used that way, and therefore shouldn't be included in the cellphone numbers.
It's as though motorcycles are counted are automobile sales because they have a seat and an engine.
I know what you are saying, but how about this.
If you are working for a place that requires you to have a cellphone, but you are not allowed to use that phone for personal calls. So you need another phone. Two connections.
Yes, I accounted for that. The 30 million number I used was for the double count. That meant 30 million towards the total in addition to the 30 million the people would likely have on their own. My wife has that in CitiGroup. She has an iPhone 3G, and a Blackberry from work.
In some countries the mobile companies (Vodafone is one) are doing deals with business to replace all the desk phones in a business with mobiles. Apply the no personal call rule again, two connections.
Sure. But I'd like to know just how well they've been doing with that. I'll bet not too well yet. If they've gotten a million users off land lines in business at this point, I'd think it was a lot. Business have central switching services, and equipment, that aren't too well served by cells. Even if they are too small for that, when someone is in the office, they can't be switched over by the small central phone models now used. The person answering the calls would have to do what? Call the cell of the person they need to talk to?
A service company using contractors to provide sales for them, they are provided with a portable device with a data connection, no voice. They have their own phone as well, two connections.
A lot of what you're saying may be true, but they are the same people over and again. These are not different categories, they are the same category. All people given a business phone for whatever reason is in the same boat, and is part of the same numbers. 30 million for all these people, maybe, at most.
I don't know, the reports I have read don't split by country.
It's too vague.
Well since it is an anonymous sale, they don't know where they are from
And so allowances should be made for that, and the number subtracted, but we don't know how many.