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Apple's Multi-Touch technology is seriously stunted on the small screen of the iPhone and iPod Touch. I love those products for what they are, but zooming and panning the web on them is really getting old. Apple is sitting on a gold-mine tech here. Let's get the iPhone OS's touch GUI on something just a little bigger!

Just big enough to no longer fit in anyone's pocket so that no one will buy them!

The iPhone and iPod Touch are the size they are for a reason.
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post #42 of 204
I fully expect Core i7 (Nehalem) Mac Pros & XServes in November or early December, following the launch of Intel's Core i7 server chips.

Concerning the iMac, I would be disappointed if it didn't include a quad-core model, now that Intel is launching its quad-core mobile chips in September, following the July 14, 2008 launch of the Centrino 2 platform.

My brother bought a quad-core HP desktop computer with Vista last November 2007, 10 months ago. I'm still waiting for Apple to introduce a quad-core family computer, ten months later. Is it going to be an iMac, a brand new tower or a pizza box Performa computer? Whichever it is, Apple needs a quad-core family computer to be competitive in the market place.

Traditionally, Apple uses the month of November, between the 7th and the 22nd day of November, one month before Christmas, to launch a refreshed consumer, family computer, a MacBook or an iMac.

Given the information from AppleInsider's sources, November could see a refreshed iMac this year. And if it's really a low key refresh, the iMac will certainly not carry a Core i7 (Nehalem) server or desktop quad-core chip.

post #43 of 204
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I wonder what they'll do with the iMac. The new design is only a year old.

A year old? Try 4 years. The original white iMac (design) was released August 2004. The current aluminum iMac is just an aluminum retrofit to make it environmentally friendly. There is no difference in its design with the exception of its thickness. The design is basically the same.
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I hope that all Apple laptop optical drives will be external. Not having an internal optical drive is one of the things I like most about my MacBook Air. I wish Apple would sell an 11 inch 1920x1200 MPB with external only optical.

I thought that was a negative about the MBA but I guess I could be wrong.

I'm just wondering when optical drives will be obsolete. Bluray is not the future - downloaded media, SSDs, and flash drives are. Just ask the iPod generation how many optical discs they carry around with their music player. Who takes a stack of DVDs with their laptop on a trip?

I'd like to see an iPod Max product released that has 64Gb of storage can connect to wireless keyboards, mice, monitors, and printer and come with iLife and iWork mobile editions. In other words a system that can replace a computer. Must have the latest bluetooth, infrared, wifi security, and GPS built-in. Apple needs to state that the new all-encompaasing computing platform is the iPod.
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Precede?



The margin-reducing Product Transition? Is Cringley finally right?



I still cannot understand why the 15" MacBook Pro can be easily engineered to allow consumer access to the hard drive, but the 24" iMac cannot.

Pro versus consumer? Most people who buy iMacs, I assume, probably don't even consider changing the drive.

Personally, in two decades of pro computer use, I have never changed the drive on one of my machines.

 

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post #46 of 204
On the issue of white no longer being part of the color scheme - What about the mighty mouse and the apple remote ... cosmetic changes? I'd love to see a new mighty mouse that has a nav ball that doesn't stop working every 2 weeks. The mighty mouse is the most seriously flawed product Apple currently sells.
post #47 of 204
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I thought that was a negative about the MBA but I guess I could be wrong.

I'm just wondering when optical drives will be obsolete. Bluray is not the future - downloaded media, SSDs, and flash drives are. Just ask the iPod generation how many optical discs they carry around with their music player. Who takes a stack of DVDs with their laptop on a trip?
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I certainly don't want to see an external optical drive. While removing it for an ultra-portable machine (MacBook Air) doesn't hurt many, the lack of a drive would be a big hinderance to the masses that burn audio CDs to share with others and take DVDs on road trips(how can you not take a stack with you?? If you take them out of the case, they are as portable as an external drive...and you don't go through the hassle of ripping them). While flash drives and internet file sharing has eaten up a large part of the CD/DVD market, I frequently find myself ripping new CDs into iTunes, burning new CDs to play in the car, inserting CDs others have put files onto, and backing up various things. It would be a big nuisance to carry around an external drive, and the one time you forget that drive will be the one time you will need it. Furthermore, to the less tech-literate a lack of an internal optical drive will be a big turn-off to buying Mac portables (same way the media criticized the MBA at first) and I don't see Apple risking new customers to trim a few ounces off the weight of a notebook.
post #48 of 204
All I want is an external SuperDrive for my 24" iMac with BD movie playback support in 10.5.6.
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Just for the love of mock ups, and a little nice spam, I came across this one.




PS: I already posted it in the other thread about Apple's next-gen MacBook Pro casing design revealed, but think this will be more frequented.

Fabulous; my favorite mock-up yet.
post #50 of 204
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And how much of a premium would you be willing to pay?

Remember that the Blu-Ray Disc Association has yet to allow manufacturing in China.

http://www.chinatechnews.com/2008/05...-ray-products/
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post #51 of 204
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Originally Posted by marzetta7 View Post

Bring on the Blu-ray enabled iMacs!

Ug! God no. Why would you want blu-ray on ANY computer? It's locked down like a drum, is a power-hog, and stores less than a good-sized thumb drive.
post #52 of 204
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Originally Posted by Bergermeister View Post

Pro versus consumer? Most people who buy iMacs, I assume, probably don't even consider changing the drive.

Personally, in two decades of pro computer use, I have never changed the drive on one of my machines.

What?

I've changed drives often, since my Sawtooth G4 was (and still is) a great workhorse.

I'd never upgrade RAM or HD size at Apple's prices, and outlets like TigerDirect offer brand-name replacements at great prices. Of course, I've upgraded the processor and graphics card too, and my Franken Sawtooth runs Tiger great.

Maybe I'm just weird, but I see RAM and HDs as parts that should be accessible in ANY computer.
Without that, it's like buying a car and not having access to anything under the hood.
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post #53 of 204
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Yeah. I wonder if an enterprising third party could make an alternate rear backplate for the 24" imac?
Is it even possible to access the HD if there was a 'back door' opening?

I've worked on several of the aluminum iMacs and I don't think they're hard to work on. Certainly not as hard as a 12" Powerbook, for example, or the old iBooks. Less than 10 minutes to take one apart and most of the important parts are accessed easily.
post #54 of 204
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Ug! God no. Why would you want blu-ray on ANY computer? It's locked down like a drum, is a power-hog, and stores less than a good-sized thumb drive.

Most people want Blu-Ray because it's the flavor of the day, not because they have any real use for it.
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I am looking for a mac mini upgrade. I use a 20" ACD, don't care for the iMac screen, and really don't want or need to spend money or limited space in my area for a Mac Pro. It's gross overkill for what I do. My existing mac mini is in pretty good shape but an upgrade would be welcome.

The mini really hits the spot. It's not just money, it hits a different market need than the iMac or MP.

My mini is a workhorse and my only regret about it is that it's only a 1.42 Ghz G4 system. I'll probably keep it until it dies. It's a good system and it's really cool when I pack it away in it's mini carrying case to take on trips. Unlike my 20" iMac, which is luggable but not cool.
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Originally Posted by night9hawk View Post

I've worked on several of the aluminum iMacs and I don't think they're hard to work on. Certainly not as hard as a 12" Powerbook, for example, or the old iBooks. Less than 10 minutes to take one apart and most of the important parts are accessed easily.

Really? I was told the process of removing the LCD was definitely not something that should be done outside of a service provider.

I have, however, personally replaced the drive in a 12" Powerbook without a problem.
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post #57 of 204
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A year old? Try 4 years. The original white iMac (design) was released August 2004. The current aluminum iMac is just an aluminum retrofit to make it environmentally friendly. There is no difference in its design with the exception of its thickness. The design is basically the same.

Not true. The aluminum iMac have done away with all the sticky foil that the plastic iMacs used to shield the internal components. That makes the newer systems MUCH easier to work on than the old ones. Taking the front bezel off is also easier on the new iMacs. Replacing parts like a power supply on the new systems is a LOT easier than replacing the power supply on the old systems if for no other reason that you don't have to remove the logic board to reach the power connector that just under the ducting for the heat sync on the plastic iMac. (Stupid design!) The only reason I haven't traded in my plastic Intel iMac for one of the newer ones is that I'm waiting to see what the "product transition" adds to the system. (Maybe it's going to be matte screens!)
post #58 of 204
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Really? I was told the process of removing the LCD was definitely not something that should be done outside of a service provider.

I have, however, personally replaced the drive in a 12" Powerbook without a problem.

I am a service provider. As with most things, being careful and taking it slow the first time is important. I'd say the only thing which would stop most people are the special tools needed to remove the glass plate on the front of the screen. Apple recommends you use suction cups, anti-lint gloves and a silicon roller when working with the glass cover. (The roller is used to remove lint from the inside surface of the glass before you put it back on the computer. If you don't then any dust on the inside might as well have a circle drawn around it and arrows pointing towards each spec to make them even more annoying.) Otherwise they're easy to work on.
post #59 of 204
Night9 seems to have intimate knowledge of the Force, and may help Apple sell me a 24" iMac next weekend.
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post #60 of 204
"Cost-effective" or "affordable".
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Night9 seems to have intimate knowledge of the Force, and may help Apple sell me a 24" iMac next weekend.

I know as much as any of you know about upcoming products, which is next to nothing. Not high enough on the digital food chain. What I've been telling people the past 2 months is that they should hold off based on the comments made back in July by Apple execs regarding the "product transition".

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that they're probably going to make the transition over to all LED-based LCDs, product redesigns similar to some of the mockups being floated around different rumor sites and faster processors. Plus something else that we don't know-one more thing! All things worth waiting for and I'll be first in line for a new laptop!
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I am a service provider. As with most things, being careful and taking it slow the first time is important. I'd say the only thing which would stop most people are the special tools needed to remove the glass plate on the front of the screen. Apple recommends you use suction cups, anti-lint gloves and a silicon roller when working with the glass cover. (The roller is used to remove lint from the inside surface of the glass before you put it back on the computer. If you don't then any dust on the inside might as well have a circle drawn around it and arrows pointing towards each spec to make them even more annoying.) Otherwise they're easy to work on.

Cool. Thanks for the tip. You've helped a lot. Memo: add 'silicon roller' to shopping list.

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I know as much as any of you know about upcoming products, which is next to nothing. Not high enough on the digital food chain. What I've been telling people the past 2 months is that they should hold off based on the comments made back in July by Apple execs regarding the "product transition".

That's fine. The current 24" iMacs are great for me. The one hold-back was the hard drive thing.

And yes, the 'product transition' is likely new LEDs, Blu-Ray or a special chip on the motherboard and will likely disappoint many who think it's some new whiz-bang product.
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post #63 of 204
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I'm hoping for a BD writer. The drives are cheap now and the movies are everywhere.

There's no excuse not to offer it as an option.

It isn't a matter of price. It's a matter of desire.

I bought the Digital Audio model when the first Pioneer DVD writer was costing $999. Apple offered that on the top tower model.

If Apple wanted to, they could have added HDCP support to the OS and hardware at any time. They haven't.

Do you think their business in downloads has something to do with that? ( Hint! Not a real question.)
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I'm just repeating what Kasper said.

Yes, he did.

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A lot of replies don't necessarily mean that the story itself had more hits as a story with fewer replies.

Good point!
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If you want to see an interesting movie about California wines see BOTTLE SHOCK!

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The movie was highly entertaining but probably not accurately telling the story. I look forward to the related movie project "Judgement of Paris" and hope that it gives the red wines more respect than just a side show as in Bottle Shock.

Anyhow, as a longtime Windows user who plans to switch to a MacBook Pro, I hope that they will not delay the new iteration into January 2009...
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

A year old? Try 4 years. The original white iMac (design) was released August 2004. The current aluminum iMac is just an aluminum retrofit to make it environmentally friendly. There is no difference in its design with the exception of its thickness. The design is basically the same.

You're getting into the externals vs the internals. He was talking about the externals, which is what most of us are referring to when we talk about redesigns.

We had this debate on another thread a short while ago.
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On the issue of white no longer being part of the color scheme - What about the mighty mouse and the apple remote ... cosmetic changes? I'd love to see a new mighty mouse that has a nav ball that doesn't stop working every 2 weeks. The mighty mouse is the most seriously flawed product Apple currently sells.

It's really quite amazing that Apple would put so much effort into a redesign of their venerable one button design, mostly successfully, without allowing for the cleaning of its one moving component.

I've cleaned the sections of the mouse with the ball, but it takes a good deal of time and energy. I did it just to show that it could be done, but I wouldn't want to do it with regularity.
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Originally Posted by jittery jimmy View Post

Ug! God no. Why would you want blu-ray on ANY computer? It's locked down like a drum, is a power-hog, and stores less than a good-sized thumb drive.

Because people want to view BD movies on their machines, and because it stores MUCH more than the largest thumb drive. It's also far cheaper to use rewritable BD disks that using another thumb drive each time.

And what do 25Gb and 50GB thumb drives go for?
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Originally Posted by night9hawk View Post

Most people want Blu-Ray because it's the flavor of the day, not because they have any real use for it.

Ah, ignorance reigns supreme!
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You're getting into the externals vs the internals. He was talking about the externals, which is what most of us are referring to when we talk about redesigns.

We had this debate on another thread a short while ago.

You meant he was talking internals.
OK fine- but I'm talking about external redesign which is now due. Also most people I know when talking of design mean external- depends who your talking to.
When a car gets a new engine only - is that a new car design? I don't think so.
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Because people want to view BD movies on their machines, and because it stores MUCH more than the largest thumb drive. It's also far cheaper to use rewritable BD disks that using another thumb drive each time.

And what do 25Gb and 50GB thumb drives go for?

I checked when I saw that post. A 32GB thumb drive sells for roughly $90 to $120 on Newegg. They don't list any 64GB drives, 32GB is the biggest they sell. I personally think that both kinds of media have different uses, capacity isn't the only consideration.
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Most people want Blu-Ray because it's the flavor of the day, not because they have any real use for it.

Flavor of the day? You must still use laserdisc instead of DVD.
post #73 of 204
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You meant he was talking internals.
OK fine- but I'm talking about external redesign which is now due. Also most people I know when talking of design mean external- depends who your talking to.
When a car gets a new engine only - is that a new car design? I don't think so.

This analogy in this post suggests that you're saying that the body didn't change. The overall silhouette didn't change much, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't a new design. I don't know what you would expect in order for you to call it a new design. Even cars don't change that much on a redesign, they don't suddenly become minivans, trucks or crossovers, the overall form is usually roughly the same even if the styling changed.
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Originally Posted by Juancircled View Post

On the issue of white no longer being part of the color scheme - What about the mighty mouse and the apple remote ... cosmetic changes? I'd love to see a new mighty mouse that has a nav ball that doesn't stop working every 2 weeks. The mighty mouse is the most seriously flawed product Apple currently sells.

You obviously don't own an Apple TV.
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This analogy in this post suggests that you're saying that the body didn't change. The overall silhouette didn't change much, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't a new design. I don't know what you would expect in order for you to call it a new design. Even cars don't change that much on a redesign, they don't suddenly become minivans, trucks or crossovers, the overall form is usually roughly the same even if the styling changed.

Redesign:
A different pedestal (the same).
A different body footprint (the same).
A different mouse (the same).
There have basically been 3 diff iMac designs- 1). The original TV bubble, 2.)The lamp iMac , and 3.the white /aluminum one.
Everything else has been a modification on a design but not a new design.
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Originally Posted by jittery jimmy View Post

Ug! God no. Why would you want blu-ray on ANY computer? It's locked down like a drum, is a power-hog, and stores less than a good-sized thumb drive.

i couldn't agree more...

optical media is going to be extinct with a few years.
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You meant he was talking internals.
OK fine- but I'm talking about external redesign which is now due. Also most people I know when talking of design mean external- depends who your talking to.
When a car gets a new engine only - is that a new car design? I don't think so.

We're saying the same thing here now. You mentioned that the design was similar for four years, except for the externals. You apparently meant that the basic shape was the same, as the design is quite different.
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I checked when I saw that post. A 32GB thumb drive sells for roughly $90 to $120 on Newegg. They don't list any 64GB drives, 32GB is the biggest they sell. I personally think that both kinds of media have different uses, capacity isn't the only consideration.

That was kind of the point I was making. It wasn't a real question.

My point was that it's much cheaper to record on BD disks if you want to keep the data for a while, then to record on large thumb drives, and to use a new one each time you save data. The other point was that there are no 50Gb+ thumb drives yet.
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I'd like to see an iPod Max product released that has 64Gb of storage can connect to wireless keyboards, mice, monitors, and printer and come with iLife and iWork mobile editions. In other words a system that can replace a computer. Must have the latest bluetooth, infrared, wifi security, and GPS built-in. Apple needs to state that the new all-encompaasing computing platform is the iPod.

Give it the microDVI connector from the MacBook Air and then it can replace a computer.
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Ug! God no. Why would you want blu-ray on ANY computer? It's locked down like a drum, is a power-hog, and stores less than a good-sized thumb drive.

It's only fairly recently that 32GB USB thumb drives have been introduced and they are selling for $100.00. 64GB USB thumb drives are selling for $350.00 So a 50GB USB drive which doesn't exist would sell for about $225.00.

A Blu-Ray disc can hold 50GB and decent brands sell for about $20.00.

Even if they were the same price, I'd rather have a DVD book of nicely labeled discs rather than a box of hundreds of unlabeled thumb drives sloshing around.

For people who have lots of data to back up Blu-Ray is good. And the prices for Blu-Ray will drop faster than those thumb drives. Discs prices fall faster than Flash memory.

And we haven't even started talking about video and audio uses and "movie back ups" on Blu-Ray.
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