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They were publicized! But Biden isn't an attractive MILF! Deal with it.

Oh, and I Googled "fantasizing Palin was inside church burning to death" and got no results to this outrageous claim, either cite your sources or set your Google preferences to a less higher setting of Freeper Mode.


Well, it didn't happen. Which might give solace to you that none of the crazy Aryan nut-jobs that followed Palin or idiots motivated by hate propaganda didn't go that far. Or did they?

Have you ever thought that this arson may have been done from within? Maybe a disgusted church follower or disgruntled Palin supporter? Even as I said, a group of misguided tweakers?

Stay within the boundaries of reality. Since nothing has turned up in the investigation, you can speculate whatever you want. But it may backfire on you.


The media gave a free pass for Bush et al to start their reign of terror. The media ignored this far too long. But they follow the money like everyone else does (Google ad revenue) and will continue to do so.

Most studies now show that the general population in America realizes they've been hoodwinked by an incompetent for 8 years. So, give the media the same time again for Obama, because we all can see the end of it all already, right? We all can realize how much of a failure he is even before he has done anything, right?


My whole family is conservative. I have discussed these issues thoughtfully and passionately over the past 8 years. It has gotten heated sometimes. And I never won anyone over. I let the events in process handle that. I couldn't convince my brother that Obama was "the new messiah", he voted for McCain. But as time has gone by and as he has watched and read what Obama has done and whom he has chosen during this transition, he has become more confident.

And tolerant.

I can't convert anyone. It will take the time and efforts of the next administration whether the conservative base will support anything they do. I want to doubt it. But I won't.


Burn, baby, burn.

If anything, you may want to educate the current conservative base about tolerance too.

I just took a look at all of those photos on TIME, and that's clearly a cigarette he's smoking in that picture, and in all other pictures. The smoke in his face in that particular picture also suggests why he's squinting. Sometimes, when you take a drag on a cigarette, the smoke will whisp up into your eyes. Burns like hell.

...METH-AMPHETAMINE!

What was all that noise about small town values that needed to be taken to Washington?


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Now Palin is saying that McCain's biggest mistake in the campaign was shielding her from the press.

Oh, boy. If they hadn't, their numbers wouldn't have remained as high as they did.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_152857.html

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When I found such studies, I posted them all in the Media in the Tank for Obama thread. Sorry if I don't care to double or triple the efforts. I've been here for years as have you and such actual links have mostly been met with indifference, straight up dismissals, funny cartoons and personal attacks.

As for as I know, you haven't posted them at all, but whatever, I haven't read a source that claimed Biden got worse treatment than Palin. If you can find one, I'll be glad to read it.


Then I apologize for not being clear enough because in most of my actions I clearly have referred to sending reporters to the scene to get the facts instead of merely writing up talking points. I have noted repeatedly about how they can talk to a consignment store owner up in Wasilla but can't even "waste" their questions on Obama. Yes they do take his talking point positions and publish them as fact. I don't see how the lack of investigation on their part proves lack of bias. To me it proves quite the opposite. During the election we went through this in the media bias thread and I would show the questioning lists side by side. The McCain/Palin questions were all Obama allegations or loaded questions, the Obama questions were puff about his historical significance or just let him state his utopian plans with no contesting of the vision.

We've covered this ground before.


Just because someone can print it on the Internet doesn't mean it is a real issue worthy of investigation. Most of those matters have not been brought up by myself or others here because we don't care about the conspiracies.

[/QUOTE]Whether or not Palin has returned to her favorite consignment shop is not newsworthy. But I'd imagine that whether or not people are buy and selling increased amounts of used clothing (rather than buying new) is an economic indicator of some sort.[/QUOTE]

So let the business section cover it and they can leave her out of it.



People with an agenda are clearly trying to build that caricature bit by bit in any time, place and manner in which they can do so. The turkey pardon was just another example. This has been covered with magazine covers, camera angles, etc. The people who do this for work daily know what looks good and know what makes you look bad. It is clear they are intentionally doing what makes someone look bad. A good example is McCain with the photography who turned off the flash illuminating him from under the chin so the shadows made him look ominous.


I don't like the bland acceptance and unquestioning nature of the media with regard to him.


If he admits it, then why lie about it? It is like admitting your are a swinger but the picture of you with the swinging group is just "a gathering of friends." If you are going to be honest, be honest, if not then don't but there is no halfway honest.


When I come across it again, I'll post it.


The amount of coverage was not the same. Most studies found Palin getting negative coverage for similar actions by magnitudes of three to four times more coverage.


Again reverse it and make it Obama's and I have no doubt you wouldn't question the motives of those taking the action.


Maybe all those black church burnings were just disgruntled black attendees who didn't appreciate the message of the week. Maybe local drug dealers and druggies took videotape of Wright and gave it to the media.


I'll trust that no matter the investigation, the default position of burning a church is malice and those doing it intended malice. You are right that it may turn out they just wanted to plant flowers, and I can't prove that wasn't their intention yet. However I'll trust my opinions for now.


Apparently they also ignored the Congress that didn't read reports, voted for it and gave him that power and now most are sitting in the Obama cabinet as the wisest and most intelligent choices ever made by a president elect.

That right there should show you something about bias. The people stupid enough to be "fooled" by Bush are now brilliant when selected by Obama. Folks like Daschle, Clinton, Biden, etc. all are the most intelligent cabinet ever selected by a President-elect only they were all fooled by the monkey-boy Bush.

Sure they are supposed to actual read the evidence, bills and vote wisely, but it is just the media's fault they voted as they did, never their own fault.


Actually the saying is fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Skepticism should be the starting position to avoid a second "fool me." If the media and all those wonderful Democrats are "fooled" into voting for something again, there should be no excuses. There shouldn't have been the first time, but for folks like yourself the second time should be a "shame on you" and not just more excuses.


Well I have persuaded people over the years. When I have spoken publicly, I'm often asked to join groups or functions to try to make a difference. I enjoy talking politics and often have my opinion sought out in group functions. My mother voted for McCain this year and she is a staunch Democrat. I couldn't convince my wife to vote no on 8, but I'm not the first man who couldn't change the mind of his wife.


I've also heard it makes you stare at your hand, have unfocused vision, keep tilting your head at odd angles, and smile in that very relaxed way I am sure none of us recognize.

Give it up man, we've all seen it and most of us have done it. It isn't hard to spot when someone is high. He's high and that doesn't bug me. The lie does, just the lie.

What in the world is your deal?

1) like midwinter said, the entire set makes it pretty clear it's a cigarette

2) Lot's of people have a relaxed smile

3) When someone is having their picture taken, they tend to pose. I don't see how someone tilting their head is at all surprising or in any way an indication of being high.

4) He doesn't look high to me, and like most people, I've certainly seen enough high people to judge.

I don't know how you can get out of those pictures that Obama is clearly lying. It seems to be mostly that you just want him to be lying so badly.

Why are people still talking about what's got to be the biggest disaster fo the Republican party ever!

Oh! Maybe that was the reason!

Oh by the way even Fox news said it was a cigarette so it must be true! If the conservatives ( trumptman types specifically and yes trumpy you still are on my ignore list ) have to stoop to bringing up pictures like this to make negative comments about Obama we're home free!

Hmmm? Where was I? Oh yes back to hate! Hate hate hate hate hate hate all hate and no love makes jimmac a dull boy hate hate hate..............

Unless I'm wrong, this thread is about our Savior, Sara Palin.

How did they devolve into a discussion of a cigarette is a joint when smoked by Obama?

Here is a good question that shows you how it got there.

Take these same photos of Obama and instead substitute Sarah Palin in college.

Add one part Tina Fey and one part Saturday Night Live.

Stir until you can imagine the skits that would have already happened.

Then ask yourself where the Obama skits are now?

Hope that helps.

You could even add in one part of his quit but didn't quit cigarettes and the smoking ban at the white house. Add panama hat and you have some hilarious fun except of course we can't do that with Obama.

I smoked pot, only this wasn't pot. I quit cigarettes only, fair enough, I didn't really.

This stuff would easily be jokes on a national scale if done by anyone on the right.

Wasilla.

Again. You provide no proof to this alleged reaction in the media. So stop asking me to believe it, much less reverse it.


Maybe you are just blowing smoke out of your ass.


Opinions you usually hold until the (gasp!) media reports them as false. Then we hear nothing from you. Which to me is victory.


We (meaning the US people and the Hill) were quite shaken after 9-11 and deservedly so, but the BUSH ADMINISTRATION led us down the wrong path. Not us or our representatives.


"Who is more foolish, the child afraid of the dark, or the man afraid of the light?" - Maurice Freehill

Of course many should have known better, but they decided from the information that they were given. Of course some will take the road some others follow. But some will realize the folly of the real fools and speak out against them.

I'm sure that McCain/Palin and their clowncar of choices would have been just the same?


See the BUSH ADMINISTRATION comment for wisdom on this. Of course it was stupidity, but when you are given bullshit evidence, you make bullshit choices.


How many more days left? How many?


My mother is 92 years old. Been through a lot of ups and downs. The Depression, four wars and countless good blessings too. But for some reason, I didn't have to convince her that Obama may be a good choice for president. She just knew it. She was a little worried though that whenever the conversation came up at dinner with friends at her retirement home about politics, she'd be left out. Mainly because all her friends there watch FoxNews. But she persevered, she has more important things to live with and cherish. I think when you reach that age, there is enough instinct involved with what you feel is a good or bad thing. I digress...


What lie?

Oh, and about FISA? How many more fucking days left?

Jesus Christ! Didn't I see that woman on " Tales From The Crypt "?

Yeah I'd say speed is the worst drug problem out there. It's cheap and so addictive and damaging.

Yes I notice trumptman has been doing that a lot lately. Presenting his version of the facts or filling in the blanks as if it were gospel.

That's why he ended up on my ignore list. There's no point in talking to someone who makes up reality or adds their own opinion as if it was fact as they go along.

We all speculate but usually we label it as such.

Hey, don't attack him, he seems to have good company with this behavior.

It's not a joint.

It doesn't look like a joint.

It isn't a spliff. Doesn't look like, or pretend to be, a spliff.

It looks like a guy trying to look cool smoking a cigarette.

God. To think she can form so many words!

That woman is something else. Always carries a gun in her purse you know.

I wonder if it has occurred to Coulter that "annoying people" actually isn't that great a plan, if you want to win elections and shit?

Given that it's literally her entire schtick, I'm guessing not.

Naw! I'm sure It's making her money!

I mean it works for Coulter.

Which is fine for her, but if she's right, and the big draw for Palin is that "she annoys all the right people", then Republican electoral fortunes are going to be kinda dubious. It's amazing how much right-wing energy gets consumed by what are basically schemes to stick it to their made up idea of "liberal elites."

Not that Coulter gives a shit, she makes her money either way. Actually, I suspect she makes more money when the right is out of power, because it ratchets up the resentment machine.

Probably. However I don't think we have anything to worry about for awhile now. The fact that the economy went south so hard won't be forgotten for a long time. From what I've seen people blame the republicans and Bush's mismangement. So Obama would have to screw up pretty big to change this. The democrats have 8 years at least probably. It's just so sad it had to come to this to get people to wake up and vote!

You can believe it or not and reverse it or not. If you think you can win some sort of discussion by claiming I'm a jerk by assuming malice from those burning down churches then go ahead. I suppose next you'll want to argue there is no proof that those firing bullets our someone's head really wanted to harm them as well.



The media is biased and so their actions wouldn't affect mine. I apologize for doing things like having a life, eating, sleeping and bathing. Your default position is totally desperate. The reason you won't even mentally ponder the reverse is because you know the media and many around here already spent many words pondering Obama and threats against him real or imagined. The reality is that burning down a church is a malicious act. Claiming we can't pin the malice down doesn't stop it from being malicious.


Well enjoy the new path which btw features all the people who were fooled by the old path. I wonder who you will blame for the bullshit this time?


So Bush was given the information, made a choice and that isn't justified but for folks like Daschle, Clinton, Biden, etc. it is justified? What sort of bullshit reasoning is that? The proof is that "you're sure" the choice would have been just the same. Church burnings might be for "unknown" reasons. Information excuses one side but not the other. That reasoning is just pathetically weak.


So Colin Powell, the Obama endorser, knew it was bullshit and presented it. Bush knew it was bullshit and presented it. He is so brilliantly dumb he managed to fool everyone while not being able to form a coherent sentence. Can you at least make the bullshit try to make some sense? Someone doesn't go from evil genius who just fooled the smartest cabinet ever assembled by a president-elect, a veritable all-star list of the Democratic party, to monkey boy who doesn't give a fuck and is totally incompetent. You can't have it both ways unless reasoning means nothing.


How many days left for the country is more like it. Obama will bankrupt us. Bush was doing the same but like most idiots, you think pushing the pedal down harders will make the impact on the wall in front of us that much safer. The reasoning is like that of MTV ordering up a dozen more "reality tv series" to help with their slipping ratings. The problem has become the cure. Obama will step on the gas and accelerate debt creation, money printing and government spending when those three things are the problem, not the solution.


I didn't know that "don't you get it, Bush lost now get over yourself" was some sort of deep reasoning with citations to support it. Do me a favor and don't just ignore my posts, don't think about, write about or respond about me either. It makes the fact that all you do is personally attack that much more transparent.


Ann Coulter is a funny and smart woman. That article is brilliant!


So it's all settled then. Obama was trying to look like a stoner with a cigarette. That makes his intentions that much more honest and revealing. Now I suppose he'll try looking like an anti-war candidate while adding more domestic troops and tearing down those invisible walls.


Well with folks like Artman unable to comprehend certain actions having malice, it makes sense. Someone might gun her down and we wouldn't be able to be sure they wanted to harm her. It could have just been someone who doesn't like blonds, or who doesn't like the name Ann, or perhaps doesn't like skinny people. We CAN'T PROVE malice even with an act of malice you know. No double standard there though.


The Democrats have already had 2 years unless you happen to be one of those folks who elected Obama and didn't remember who was controlling the entire legislative branch. Spending has already exploded under Democratic control and they have multiple half trillion dollar bills lined up for the Obama pen. Enjoy the financial destruction and carnage.

And you call me the "jerk"?

Obama's Economic Advisers now telling us that growing the deficit is a good thing!

That's because the only way to pull out of an economic slump (or Depression, if you will) is to put more money in circulation. Spend it on folks who need money to pay bills and buy goods. When the available money is put into circulation, the economy is stimulated and presto! Economic growth.

The Republican method of stimulating the economy is to concentrate money into fewer and fewer hands and call it growth. As we're now seeing, this policy has failed.

Merry Christmas!

Yes!

Because the Democrats have been so in control of the entire legislative branch for the last two years that there were NO Republican filibusters at all! That's right - NONE whatsoever!!!

And, while there may have been a few Presidential vetoes, they were ALL overridden by those Democrats who have complete control of the entire legislative branch!!

And, you are so spot-on about the spending explosion under Democratic control! Because the Republican administration has NOTHING to do with spending, of course.... and furthermore, spending was held completely in check and there were absolutely no budget deficits, until those shifty Democrats took over the legislative branch (by nefarious means, no doubt).

Oh, yeah.... and I won the lottery TWICE last year, and am currently dating THREE supermodels!!!!1!1!!1

Well I see by reading the quotes from other posters that trumptman is still spouting nonsense. Coulter is a slime! An expert at being stupid. What comes out of her mouth is so bad I wonder if she even believes her own crap.

Also we have been over the issue of the Democratic congress for the last 2 years already.

Now that the tables are turned after the first of the year maybe they can get something done. And trumptman wishing carnage is just desperate and stupid. It really makes me want to vote for his party. And as you see from the last election quite a number of people felt the same way.

Nail on the head!

It's funny how everyone but a few die hard conservatives here can easily see this.

First that relaxed smile is as clear as slurred speech with regard to drinking. We've seen his natural smile plenty before those photos and it isn't the same.

The points I have put forward are twofold. First the media won't question him about it or even show any curiosity.

The second point is that all the late night comedians, Daily Show, Colbert Report, SNL, etc.... have claimed they can't make fun of Obama yet because he hasn't slipped up in any fashion past or present to give them that kernel of truth to build the comedy around. These pictures, the smoking interview on This Week, etc. all prove that is crap. He has his 57 state gaffes. Hell even people on here thought it cute to crack jokes about "This is what pie looks like" when his vacation pics were shown.

In other words, he is untouchable when there are clearly things to touch him with and even the people on here can think up the jokes when the paid writers cannot. When comedy and lampooning are the weapons of choice to knock down your opposition, it says something when they won't write a joke about him.


The way to get out is to get real wealth working again. Money and wealth are not the same thing. Obama thinks he can ether confiscate or print up some wealth and make this happen.

I do thank you for stating it so clearly though because now when I rail against it, at least I know that you understand what "it" happens to be. You cannot generate wealth via legislation. All messing with the currency does is destroy the currency. This generation should know that but the rules don't apply to them.


You are welcome to note how many years since 1994 the Republicans had both the presidency and a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. I'll help you. The answer is zero.

How bad is our electorate that they buy the lie that the Democrats can't govern if they have to actually work with someone else? Like many of the words they enjoy playing with apparently bipartisan now means, can't govern until we don't have to gain the votes of anyone else.

When Bush became president, he didn't even have control of the Senate.

This resulted in the Democrats winning control of the Senate for only 17 days, since Al Gore was still Vice President and President of the Senate. But the Republicans won control the chamber with the tie-breaking vote of the new Vice President Richard B. Cheney on January 20th. The small Republican Majority would last until May 24, 2001 when Republican Senator Jim Jeffords of Vermont left the Republican Party and became an Independent who chose to caucus with the Democrats. The Republicans won back the Senate in the 2002 Midterm elections.

In 2002, Republicans won a massive 51 seats in the Senate.

It is hilarious that Democrats have captured the presidency and both houses by significant margins and all you can do is make up excuses for why they won't be able to govern.


I guess this is another one of those "devastating" counter arguments. We all know deep in her own heart she can't possibly "believe her own crap" and so it doesn't have to be addressed. She goes through every Obama gaffe and shows how no one will touch them. Bush makes them and he is a monkey boy who can't talk. Palin can "see Russia from her front porch" and Obama, he is just the smartest president ever elected to govern these 57 states.

There is another joke that no one will make.


"Everyone" will have a chance to vote in 2010. Since you love noting trends, you should note that the trend will be for Dems to lose seats in that midterm.

The current economic upheavals are a direct result of not just 8 years of Bushanomics, but 28 years of Reaganomics.

The current mess can be traced to at least two things in particular:

1. Deregulation of anything and everything based on untested political dogma, even though years of painful experience had shown that at least some level of regulation is a good thing.

2. The promotion of the idea that greed is always good.

It's amazing how many of those who caused this mess are not only people who believe in unchecked capitalism but also consider themselves caring "good Chrisitians".

What a crock of fundamentalist, GOP bullshit.

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Never heard of it; how prestigious is it, and to whom? The likes of Coulter?

Ding, ding, ding! Once again we have a winner! In a nutshell Artman!

Let's see if you try something for a long time and it keeps ending up here ( our current economic crisis in a long line of only much worse this time ) maybe it's time to try something else?

But then again there's always the tactic they practice so well. Denial!

After all it's always better than admitting you've been wrong for a long time!

Seems to me that trumptman copies, pastes a lot of his posts here from the new red majority site.

Interesting that he hasn't posted anything new there since Nov 18th.

Kinda makes me wonder if he isn't messin' with you here.

Seriously, complaining that comedians aren't cracking about Obama, bringing up the birth certificate canard and all the rest of the unimaginative baloney he's posted lately.

Sounds like stuff a disgruntled employee might spew after his mentor got passed over for advancement.

Pretty funny stuff.

Once again since I've come to that conclusion it's why he's on my ignore list. The same kind of stuff over and over again. There's really no point to it.

That's why I said he's gotta be messing with people here.

Why feed him?

Take the spending. Match up those years to Republican Congress or Democratic Congress. Find your solution very quickly.


I've got a stalker. Make sure you enjoy my tongue with a good import beer and when you wear my flesh remember that certain detergents give me a rash.


It's all about me.... it's all about me. You've got no ideals or thoughts... so just talk about me.


Why feed me? Because I need to be extra fat so that when I put the lotion on my skin, I won't get the hose again. How else will Stalker Screener manage to get his Trumptman skin suit to wear?

Dude you PM me bitching that I don't post. Then you bitch about how I post. You must be ShawnJ reincarnated.

I honestly think you're right . . . I mean, he writes long posts, there must be some ability to think, so why can't he see how absurd it is that he goes on and on about comedians and 'his smile' vs his natural smile etc . .

he must be (like I said when I got banned) either in the sway of habit and unable to break the habit or simply messing with us cause that is what he is used to doing . . . cause there sure isn't mush real reasoning going on.

Now, how do I make this post about something else so I don't get banned for pointing out what is becoming increasingly obvious to all?

Um?

Oh yeah . . . the Democrats obviously are responsible for everything since they had so much unrestricted power for the last two whole long years, where they were placing their ideological cryptoi-socialism all over the place . . . of course now I see the light . . . Bush is greatt, its amazing how he and his underdogs managed to rescue what was left of the trodden hmiliated soul of America after such a constant and sustained raping by . . . um . . . . etc etc

You want a graph and pie chart war, go to the esteemed franksargent for that...

There was a class war fought during the Reagan years. The rich won.

And they have been clubbing the middle class and the poor senseless ever since.

Real wages for the middle class have not risen since that time.

"Trickle-down", which sounded like patent bullshit the first time the phrase was spoken, has proven to be just that.

To be honest every time I hear " Trickle down " it sounds like an old broken coffee maker!

The way this snake oil show has been going since Reagan has been obvious to everyone ( everyone who bothers to think anyway ) except the purpetrators. Imagine that?

About time this changed don't you think? Of course the people who are touting this philosophy would say doing anything else will be a disaster!

Once again I'm reminded of that recent " South Park " episode where the McCain supporters were planning to commit suicide because the world's going to end now that he lost.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/209727

I give him the benefit of doubt by saying he must be messing with us and look at his response,

Stalker, because I went to a site he provides the link to in every one of his posts.
Odd reasoning I would think.

Complains it's all about him.
It's about everyone that posts their opinions, thoughts etc.
How can it not be.