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I like how Obama conducts himself. He is respectful and thoughtful but in the world of politics and the screwed up world we live in I am not sure if his niceness will work.

Fellows

Well - in terms of the convention speech, it is traditional for the VP nominee to solidify a position as lead attack dog*. It's understood that the Presidential nominee will be less "tough" than the VP.



*Wait... is it sexist of me to refer to her as an attack dog?
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Attack bitch!
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One thing for sure...the dems better not assume victory. They better mobilize because the religous base has their standard bearer.

God, I am so fucking tired of the religious right in my party calling the shots every damn election.
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Attack bitch!

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Obama is no pushover with his speech.

Unlike past nominees...
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One thing for sure...the dems better not assume victory. They better mobilize because the religous base has their standard bearer.

God, I am so fucking tired of the religious right in my party calling the shots every damn election.

become a democrat..

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I think it's amazing how much the conservative base thinks she did great simply because her speechwriters repeated the talking points.

Meanwhile, reality is another beast. She was flat. She was not happy. She was not enthusiastic. She was unoriginal, and the points made were not honest.

Lots of unreality from Palin in her speech. But that goes with the territory: they all go there, democrat or republican. If I had my way, I can think of a great use for the aging Space Shuttle fleet before its retired... but I won't go there right now..

Here's an account about Sarah Palin from an Alaska insider, someone who knows her well.. Love her or dislike her, its definitely worth a read, to get a closer look at the potential next VP:

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I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city.


She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a "babe".


It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months.


She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.


She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.


She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.


Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything like that of native Alaskans.


Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.


She's smart.


Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents.


During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign.


Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative". During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.


The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.


While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.


These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.


As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.


In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus, borrow for needs.


She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them.


While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.


Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State's top cop (see below).


As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he "intimidated" her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.


She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn't like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.


Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.


When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club" when she dramatically quit, exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).


As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.


As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance--but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork".


She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.


Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.


As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.


Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State's lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as threatened species.


McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President.


There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.


However, there's a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.


CLAIM VS FACT
* "Hockey mom": true for a few years


* "PTA mom": true years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since


* "NRA supporter": absolutely true


* social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).


* pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to promote it.


* "Pro-life": mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation


* "Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.


* political maverick: not at all


* gutsy: absolutely!


* open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.


* has a developed philosophy of public policy: no


* "a Greenie": no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.


* fiscal conservative: not by my definition!


* pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.


* pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents


* pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla's history.


* pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.


WHY AM I WRITING THIS?


First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.


Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.


Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that's life.


Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's attempt at censorship.


Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.


CAVEATS
I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor) from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall -- they are swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.


You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000", up to 9,000. The day Palin's selection was announced a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90's.

There you go. We don't need to go anywhere near the "pregnant daughter" (non)issue, the weird'n'wacky creationist bull-biscuits, or her "babe" factor. Palin sounds unstable, a loose cannon. To have that kind of person "a heartbeat away from the presidency" is a most unwelcome proposition.. but at least she doesn't come across as a bonafide psychopath....
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Shawn, shawn, shawn...

C'mon now, Fellows, give poor Shawn a break... I'm the one that lobbed the softball.

However, I was fairly sure that he would be the one to smash it out of the park....
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Like a moth to the flame...
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(she didn't write the speech)

And Obama writes all his speeches?

Don't be silly, both parties have an army of speechwriters at their disposal.

Didn't you ever watch The West Wing?
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C'mon now, Fellows, give poor Shawn a break... I'm the one that lobbed the softball.

However, I was fairly sure that he would be the one to smash it out of the park....

There was a time Shawn got onto me for using that word.

That is the irony of it!

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post #92 of 291
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Here's an account about Sarah Palin from an Alaska insider...

Tonton's already posted that. And it was pretty weak then too.
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There are plenty of pro-lifers who work for, cheer for and volunteer for Democrats that hold pro-life positions. The fact that the national party is in a pro-abortion stranglehold by radical leftists is the reason why this never translates into broad national support by Evangelicals.

I know no one who is pro-abortion. Please, if you want to have any sort of conversation about how to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies and thus abortions, do the Christian thing and realize that your deceptive use of language is divisive.

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And this turns what should be an easy Democratic win into a real fight. Before nutbars started running the Democratic asylum, the parties were fairly evenly matched.

How so? Maybe, you are right, but I don't seem to see it.

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Tonight is a case in point. Both Obama and Dean have worked hard for months to try to close the gap in support amongst people of faith. So Palin gets picked for VP, and a few idiots panic and start running pro-choice ads all over the place.

It goes beyond abortions, Frank. There is a real and legitimate fear that the Christian political movement will not stop at abortion. They certainly didn't stop there before. Banning books, contraceptives, decency laws etc are the stuff of a Christian centered view on the role of government in bringing about a Christian theocracy (and that IS a bad thing)

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And all the work that Obama and Dean have done to narrow that gap gets undone in ONE NIGHT.

One night? You must not have expected much from Sarah Palin. I certainly saw a half-decent read speech in the making and that is exactly what we got.

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You are right that the diehards were always going to vote McCain. But the fencesitters (like possibly Fellowship et al) on the pro-life side have now been pushed over. That's not smart strategy.

Why?

What about the Republican party screams Christian?

Other than the rhetoric, what is there?
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And Obama writes all his speeches?

Don't be silly, both parties have an army of speechwriters at their disposal.

Didn't you ever watch The West Wing?

The vast vast majority, he does.
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become a democrat..

Fellows

Not likely.

I guess I will volunteer and donate for Obama though.
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Tonton's already posted that. And it was pretty weak then too.

But Frank, most of this email is documented elsewhere by the media with multiple sources corroborating.

Especially the banning books part.
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Tonton's already posted that. And it was pretty weak then too.

Yes it is weak against the people who simply don't care. They will never care. She can push earmarks, raise taxes, run up a huge debt, but they'll just ignore it, just like Frank has.
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No. What we need now is international diplomacy. Period.

Name one thing she did as governor that you support.

Screw international diplomacy. America First. Period.

She ejected a corrupt, Republican (her own party) old-boy network, replaced the bastards and her state is now running at a surplus. 13 billion in revenues, 9+/- billion budget. Sweet!

Palin - 2012

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But Frank, most of this email is documented elsewhere by the media with multiple sources corroborating.

Especially the banning books part.

Pssst... Frank supports her banning of books, if they criticize religion or argue for a woman's choice. This won't sway him.

It's the fiscal policies that are the real kicker here.
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There are plenty of pro-lifers who work for, cheer for and volunteer for Democrats that hold pro-life positions. The fact that the national party is in a pro-abortion stranglehold by radical leftists is the reason why this never translates into broad national support by Evangelicals.

And this turns what should be an easy Democratic win into a real fight. Before nutbars started running the Democratic asylum, the parties were fairly evenly matched.

In all fairness.... the Republicans aren't exactly unanimous on their abortion stance, either.....

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Now it's moderates wondering if there's a place for them in the era of McCain. And throughout the convention hall and meeting rooms of the Republican National Convention, gleeful conservatives are much easier to find than moderates feeling completely at ease.

"We are discouraged by the platform, which was such a lost opportunity to reach out to moderates," said Kellie Ferguson, executive director of the Republican Majority for Choice, a group that promotes GOP candidates who are moderate and support abortion rights.

"We're very happy they put a woman on the ticket," she said. "But in terms of the choice issue, it makes us very nervous."

Already knocked back by losses among the GOP's congressional moderates two years ago, some suburban Chicago lawmakers say the vice presidential discussions this summer hurt the party.

Rep. Judy Biggert (R-Ill.) says she is excited about the ultimate selection of Palin for the slot, because she's a woman who "busted the old-boy network."

Still, she said she was disheartened by repeated avowals this summer that McCain would suffer if he selected a candidate who supported abortion rights.

"It always bothers me that they say they can't choose this person or that person for a running mate because they're not pro-life," said Biggert. "I respect all members of the party no matter what their views are, but [that attitude] does make it a little harder for us."
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Screw international diplomacy. America First. Period.

If you screw diplomacy then America won't be first. Period.

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Not likely.

I guess I will volunteer and donate for Obama though.

I was just teasing you there..

I wish we had more Christians that were less oriented towards war. This is where I differ from Palin and so many republicans. I have respect for vets and those who serve the country but when does it become "overplayed" as I see that it clearly was with this Republican convention to date.

I mean... It is awfully nationalistic, patriotic overload.

Again I have no disrespect for those who served bravely on my behalf. I just think there is a threshold at some point where we cross a boundary when we over play the war and service card.

Am I wrong?

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Like a moth to the flame...

At least I'm willing to take at least partial blame when my trolling results in the expected response (unlike SOME posters here.....).
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It goes beyond abortions, Frank. There is a real and legitimate fear that the Christian political movement will not stop at abortion. They certainly didn't stop there before. Banning books, contraceptives, decency laws etc are the stuff of a Christian centered view on the role of government in bringing about a Christian theocracy (and that IS a bad thing)

Frank777 supports all of the above. When it comes to God, he's as ultra-conservative as they come.
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.... why did this thread suddenly get "Moved" off of the PO front page..... and where did it get moved to?
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Guys, this is the official RNC thread. All RNC talk goes in here*

The threads were merged.
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Agreed. Please don't start a "McCain's Speech" thread. It goes here, just like the Palin speech does.
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I know no one who is pro-abortion. Please, if you want to have any sort of conversation about how to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies and thus abortions, do the Christian thing and realize that your deceptive use of language is divisive.

Not divisive, truthful. Abortion has become an industry in North America. Hundreds of millions of dollars, much of it public money, are used to promote, procure and even subsidize the practice. This is an industry, and it has powerful and well connected backers.

And don't even get me started on those who see the reduction and slow extermination of minorities as a public policy objective in itself. Like the modern-day disciples of Margaret Sanger.

Pro-abortion is accurate. Deal with it.

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How so? Maybe, you are right, but I don't seem to see it.

Carter got elected in 1976 WITH the support of Evangelicals. It's been downhill ever since.
Roe v Wade was decided in 1973. Abortion has been a disaster for the Democrats.


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It goes beyond abortions, Frank. There is a real and legitimate fear that the Christian political movement will not stop at abortion. They certainly didn't stop there before. Banning books, contraceptives, decency laws etc are the stuff of a Christian centered view on the role of government in bringing about a Christian theocracy (and that IS a bad thing)

Ah yes, the secret agenda. Evangelicals are direct descendents of those who were pushed out of their own country because of a state religion, but we secretly harbour to take over the country and throw all the liberals into Alaska (okay, the Palin thing stops that image from working...)

In the meantime, liberals are hauling Christians before "Human Rights Commissions" and ordering them to recant.

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One night? You must not have expected much from Sarah Palin. I certainly saw a half-decent read speech in the making and that is exactly what we got.

Honestly, I didn't expect her to be anywhere near that good.

The fact that she didn't write the speech offends you greatly doesn't it?
I don't remember you having a problem with this with either of the Clintons, or Gore or Kerry.

Is that really the only talking point you've got?


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Why?

What about the Republican party screams Christian?

Other than the rhetoric, what is there?

It's about Abortion, not Christianity. It's no secret that people vote for the team they think they will address their issue. For those that desire an end to abortion, there (unfortunately) is only one game in town.

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The vast vast majority, he does.

Well we'll take his word for it then. Though one would expect he'd remember more of the words to his own writing when the teleprompter goes on the blink.
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There was a time Shawn got onto me for using that word.

That is the irony of it!

Fellows

Fellows, you missed my most articulate post ever...
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I thought she did a competent job at speech making. I think she obviously lied about a few things...more so than the Dems did...but that's about par I think.

But all in all a very good job. Game changer? Perhaps. She plays to Republican strengths and can motivate the base to actually come out this year to vote which was in doubt before McCain picked her.

Independents? We'll see.


The speech was written by Matthew Scully, speechwriter to GW Bush from 2001 to 2004.

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Originally Posted by Fellowship View Post

I was just teasing you there..

Yes, I know, but I haven't voted for a republican presidential candidate in a decade. It would make sense to switch but I ain't gonna. I did support Ehrlich...that was a pretty cool win.

Hell, I voted for Bob Dole (complete lost cause) and I'm not voting for McCain.
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Frank777 supports all of the above. When it comes to God, he's as ultra-conservative as they come.

This is a personal attack, in that you know fully well I have never advocated book-burning or the banning of contraceptives in any thread on AI. I would agree that there is a place for decency laws in any modern society.
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At the end of the day where I stand is as follows:

While part of me wants to like Palin. I don't. While she is intelligent, seemingly a family oriented person she was dishonest in parts of her speech and I just can't vote a ticket with McCain and Palin on the ticket. Sure I realize McCain has a history of serving the country and I admire him for that. I do not subscribe to his ideas for this country. I do not believe in wedging people into "country first" or something less. This is too much patriotic / nationalistic manipulation for my taste. I too question how this ticket would deal with the Georgia / Russia issue, the Iran issue etc. How long in Iraq??

I also can not support the Obama / Biden ticket as I do not support their views on abortion and energy credits or for that matter UN worldwide taxes.

I will sit this one out.

Fellows
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In all fairness.... the Republicans aren't exactly unanimous on their abortion stance, either.....

No they're not. And any party that bans people from speaking out at a convention because of their beliefs on the issue isn't worth joining.

Pro-choicer Rudy Giuliani was front and centre on the platform tonight.
Pro-life Democrats rarely enjoy such privilege. And pro-lifers notice these things.
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At the end of the day where I stand is as follows:

While part of me wants to like Palin. I don't. While she is intelligent, seemingly a family oriented person she was dishonest in parts of her speech and I just can't vote a ticket with McCain and Palin on the ticket. Sure I realize McCain has a history of serving the country and I admire him for that. I do not subscribe to his ideas for this country. I do not believe in wedging people into "country first" or something less. This is too much patriotic / nationalistic manipulation for my taste. I too question how this ticket would deal with the Georgia / Russia issue, the Iran issue etc. How long in Iraq??

I also can not support the Obama / Biden ticket as I do not support their views on abortion and energy credits or for that matter UN worldwide taxes.

I will sit this one out.

Fellows

I stand corrected, and once again, I apologize to you, Fellows, for underestimating you. Vote for Paul if you can stand by his fiscal policies. I staunchly oppose Paul's policies, but I also support the viability of a third-party candidate, and would like to see Paul get plenty of votes (which won't matter in the general election this time around).

Sorry to you, too, Frank. I know religion has an important place in your life, and I respect that. I just tend to disagree with you that it has a place in politics, and I also think that there are much more important issues at stake here, hence my STRONG distaste for wedge issue voters.
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Ah yes, the secret agenda. Evangelicals are direct descendents of those who were pushed out of their own country because of a state religion, but we secretly harbour to take over the country and throw all the liberals into Alaska (okay, the Palin thing stops that image from working...)

Explain Dominionists and Joel's Army. An offshoot of the Pentacostal/Charismatic segment of Christianity with a solid evangelical following.

I may be Christian but I have zero desire to live under a Dominonist Presidency any more than I want to live under Sharia law. IF she is one, then we'd be a heartbeat away and that's too damn close.
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At the end of the day where I stand is as follows:

While part of me wants to like Palin. I don't. While she is intelligent, seemingly a family oriented person she was dishonest in parts of her speech and I just can't vote a ticket with McCain and Palin on the ticket. Sure I realize McCain has a history of serving the country and I admire him for that. I do not subscribe to his ideas for this country. I do not believe in wedging people into "country first" or something less. This is too much patriotic / nationalistic manipulation for my taste. I too question how this ticket would deal with the Georgia / Russia issue, the Iran issue etc. How long in Iraq??

I also can not support the Obama / Biden ticket as I do not support their views on abortion and energy credits or for that matter UN worldwide taxes.

I will sit this one out.

Fellows

Yeah, that's gonna happen.

Can someone point to exactly where Palin was dishonest with her speech?

She referenced her position on the Bridge to Nowhere, but she did change positions on the issue later so that's not a lie. She said she lowered taxes, and she did. She just didn't say she had also raised others.

In other words, she a typical politician. And if this speech is any indication, she's going to be more than typical.

90% of the outrage here is that Obamania has been pushed back a bit, despite the fact that the Democrats have thrown everything they could at this woman for five days.

I still think the Democratic ticket will prevail in November, but this is fun to watch.
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I stand corrected, and once again, I apologize to you, Fellows, for underestimating you. Vote for Paul if you can stand by his fiscal policies.

No way,, No need to apologize. We live in a fast paced world with late breaking news 24/7 and it does not help that I send out many signals of like and dislike. I admit I can be confusing so please know there is no need to apologize.

I am not voting for Paul either despite earlier saying I would write him in. (told you I am confusing) He is not running nor is he balanced all around despite me liking some things about him.

For me this is one election I will not partake in. I can't subscribe to the wars of the right wing nor some of the things of the left wing.

Respectfully,

Fellows
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Not divisive, truthful. Abortion has become an industry in North America. Hundreds of millions of dollars, much of it public money, are used to promote, procure and even subsidize the practice. This is an industry, and it has powerful and well connected backers.

And don't even get me started on those who see the reduction and slow extermination of minorities as a public policy objective in itself. Like the modern-day disciples of Margaret Sanger.

Pro-abortion is accurate. Deal with it.

No. I will not accept your jeering proposition. You are ethically wrong here, completely, particularly since you have demonstrated no desire to actually fix the problem of unwanted pregnancies. Your view and the view of every single one-issue pro-lifer fails to recognize that this isn't about abortions. It is about stopping unwanted pregnancies from occurring. You stop those, you stop abortions, but you don't have any interest in stopping unwanted pregnancies. For some strange reason you DON'T CARE about the child that would result from an unwanted pregnancy.



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Ah yes, the secret agenda. Evangelicals are direct descendents of those who were pushed out of their own country because of a state religion, but we secretly harbour to take over the country and throw all the liberals into Alaska (okay, the Palin thing stops that image from working...)


You don't know the history very well do you? Sure there was a state religion, but it was secular by comparison to the puritanical ancestors to Evangelicals. They were kicked out because they wanted to decrease the freedoms of other individuals to bring them more in line with the bible. Of course, the REAL reason we have religious freedom in this country is because of the Quakers, who wanted no influence from the government on their free exercise, were also a thorn but for very very different reasons. So you will excuse me if I don't believe you hold the best interests of separation of Church and State to heart; after all you are a direct descendent to people who believed the Anglican Church wasn't rigid enough. (suck it, in other words)

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In the meantime, liberals are hauling Christians before "Human Rights Commissions" and ordering them to recant.

Recant what exactly? There are nasty sects of Christianity doing nasty things. Being termed a Christian doesn't make you a good person.

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Honestly, I didn't expect her to be anywhere near that good.

Color me shocked. Seemingly, the people who liked her expected nothing. The people who thought she did just ok expected more. It is strange that it separates completely opposite to the political ideologies of those involved.

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The fact that she didn't write the speech offends you greatly doesn't it?

Actually it does. People attribute these words to her. In academics that is called plagiarism. And while speechwriters are a fixed entity in politics their ink should be more apparent.

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Is that really the only talking point you've got?

I already addressed that the talk was flat. Her delivery disconnected. Her lies transparent. What else is there?



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It's about Abortion, not Christianity. It's no secret that people vote for the team they think they will address their issue. For those that desire an end to abortion, there (unfortunately) is only one game in town.

How has 40 years of that worked out for Christians? Not well. Why? Perhaps because it isn't politically expedient for the Republican party to get rid of its one wedge issue?


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Well we'll take his word for it then. Though one would expect he'd remember more of the words to his own writing when the teleprompter goes on the blink.

Have you ever given a 40 minute speech without prompts?
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The speech was written by Matthew Scully, speechwriter to GW Bush from 2001 to 2004.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/...bgBLtV6V.s0NUE

McSame.

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Palin's speech was "written by George Bush's speechwriter and sounds exactly like the same divisive, partisan attacks we've heard from George Bush for the last eight years." The speech was written by Matthew Scully, who met Palin for the first time last week.

Delivering a speech written by Matthew Scully casts her as a Washington outsider who is a puppet of Washington insiders.
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