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post #161 of 315
9/12/08 at 2:21pm
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Originally Posted by saveasnail View Post

From what ive read, this isnt a feature you can switch on or off, this is automatic. If you havent read a text message, it will repreat the sound again after an interval.

Thank you! Not sure how I haven't found this forum earlier!
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post #162 of 315
9/12/08 at 2:22pm
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

Some developers released MMS applications for Jailbroken iPhones. They also did release some video recording and VOIP applications (for jailbroken iPhones too). We just need someone to do them for the App Store now. As far as I know, there is nothing in SDK agreement that forbid such apps.

I think the guy who did the O2 MMS Web App is working on a full blown app. Hes got some kind of outbound MMS going now too through email but is having some kind of legal probs with the name of his software which I think is causing probs! Hes done such a good job so far of letting UK users receive MMS on their iPhones, I guess its just a matter of time before he manages to do the send MMS function too in a native app.
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post #163 of 315
9/12/08 at 2:29pm
I updated this morning and in my home office I have had it switch from 3G to Edge several times even though I have 4-5 bars with both. This had never happened before this update, so although I have 2-3 more bars than before, I have the 3G to Edge switching issue.

Other than that, syncing is much faster and no stability issues so far.
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post #164 of 315
9/12/08 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Since the update my EDGE is fine, but when I switch to 3G I got NO SERVICE. I did a restart and all is fine.

Thanks this did the trick. Doesn't look like I can use 3G indoors anymore.... \
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post #165 of 315
9/12/08 at 2:32pm
If you triple click the button on the headphones it will go to the previous track now. Pretty handy. Other than what else was mentioned, I couldn't find anything else new. I'm really happy with this update. Feels like the speed I had on my 2G phone with 1.1.4. I'm glad the push notification was pushed back and they focused on stability rather than new features. Good work Apple
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post #166 of 315
9/12/08 at 2:39pm
OK, I downloaded 2 new apps. 1 over 3G and 1 over 2G. Both downloaded quckly and installed quickly. In fact, they installed so quickly I assumed it must have been an error, but no, they worked great. These were not updates, but apps I did not already have. Installing apps before used to take 5 to 10 minutes, and these installed in less than 2 minutes each. Much improved.

Also, 14 hours since I installed 2.1 and no app crashes yet. Was getting crashes at least once an hour before if not more depending on the app.

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post #167 of 315
9/12/08 at 2:41pm
First off this update took me 4 hours to get it to work! I got to work 2 hours early so I would have time to do the complete update. I kept getting an error right as iTunes was "extracting software" and it would not finish the backup. It would get about 40% through the backup before it would just stop so I tried just unplugging the iphone from the computer and rebooting everything. I also tried doing a "restore" which would also freeze during the backup process. Finally after 4 hours it finally worked!! I am not too thrilled so far with one feature that I enjoyed that is now gone. As iPhone owners we have all gotten used to not having A2DP (stereo bluetooth) but just last week I realized that I could listen to music via Bluetooth! I was listening to music when I got a call, I answered and turned my bluetooth headset on and continued my phone call, after the call to my surprise there was music playing in my ear! I have some books on tape that I have been listening to and loving life until I updated today and that feature is aparently gone.. Not too thrilled about it.

I do love that there is now more information when looking at a playlist or album, I also have noticed the speed of which the phone book will let you spin through or search it has certainly improved. My wife has an iPhone too and I really hope we do not have the same syncing issue with hers!
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post #168 of 315
9/12/08 at 2:46pm
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Originally Posted by saveasnail View Post

Yup it may not be as good but its still popular and in huge usage in the UK. The majority of people still dont have iPhones here and will be using a standard mobile phone which does have MMS , but not readily or easily accessible email. Im just confused why the iPhone cant to both.

Their is no technical reason the iPhone does not have MMS. Apple doesn't want to support it.

Any data enabled phone can use email, not only the iPhone.
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post #169 of 315
9/12/08 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

Their is no technical reason the iPhone does not have MMS. Apple doesn't want to support it.

Any data enabled phone can use email, not only the iPhone.

Can I ask a question as from the UK, the MMS doesn't seem such an issue to US, Canada etc, is this because you guys dont use it as much as email from mobiles??
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post #170 of 315
9/12/08 at 2:54pm
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Originally Posted by john_howells View Post

I think on the whole yes your right BUT I for one would like the ability to choose whether I use an Email or MMS.

The point of not supporting it is to push everyone to using the technology Apple supports. Which would not work if you supported technology you don't want people to use.

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Whilst every service provider may have the ability to email number@carrier.net in the UK this is used very very very little. I guess it's horses for courses and country by country it's going to differ but its one thing I do miss being able to send them!

I think that system isn't popular because its a poor substitute from using the better dedicated email services. Their is no reason the carrier could not allow you to use another email service, but of course they prefer you use MMS.

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I also miss Bluetooth transfer of images/data, copy and paste and being able to set my own ringtone but it's not going to make me like the iPhone any less!

- BT transfer I think is one of those me too features, more than one widely used
- Copy/Paste is coming
- You can set your own ringtones.
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post #171 of 315
9/12/08 at 2:55pm
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Originally Posted by john_howells View Post

Can I ask a question as from the UK, the MMS doesn't seem such an issue to US, Canada etc, is this because you guys dont use it as much as email from mobiles??

Speaking for myself. I never used it because it costs extra money vs email being free.
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post #172 of 315
9/12/08 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

The point of not supporting it is to push everyone to using the technology Apple supports. Which would not work if you supported technology you don't want people to use.



I think that system isn't popular because its a poor substitute from using the better dedicated email services. Their is no reason the carrier could not allow you to use another email service, but of course they prefer you use MMS.



- BT transfer I think is one of those me too features, more than one widely used
- Copy/Paste is coming
- You can set your own ringtones.

My understanding is that from a Mac, setting ringtones is easy with Garage Band but those of us still using a PC (I'm gonna make the switch when the new Macbooks/Macbook Pros come) it seems to be a pain in the ass that I can't work out from looking round and only seems possible with jail breaking?!?!?! If Im wrong, please tell me how!
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post #173 of 315
9/12/08 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by john_howells View Post

Can I ask a question as from the UK, the MMS doesn't seem such an issue to US, Canada etc, is this because you guys dont use it as much as email from mobiles??

In general, it's popular among a younger crowd on cheaper cellphones. It's been a bit of contention with the iPhone in the US, but it's not enough of a con to outweigh the pros for most. On AT&T, if you get an MMS sent to you , you get an SMS message with a web address listing cryptic username and password to retrieve it. It's a real PITA because the web address doesn't have the GET into built into the URL and none of it is hyperlinked.
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post #174 of 315
9/12/08 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

In general, it's popular among a younger crowd on cheaper cellphones. It's been a bit of contention with the iPhone in the US, but it's not enough of a con to outweigh the pros for most. On AT&T, if you get an MMS sent to you , you get an SMS message with a web address listing cryptic username and password to retrieve it. It's a real PITA because the web address doesn't have the GET into built into the URL and none of it is hyperlinked.

Thats really interesting, in the UK it is HUGE and literally everyone uses it across cheaper phones and also the top of the range ones. Yes there is a cost attached but I guess we havent caught onto the Email/mobile thing yet. I've got friends of the same age (I'm 28) that use it loads and often get MMS from family members of all ages of pictures from parties of relatives and stuff.
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post #175 of 315
9/12/08 at 3:04pm
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Originally Posted by john_howells View Post

My understanding is that from a Mac, setting ringtones is easy with Garage Band but those of us still using a PC (I'm gonna make the switch when the new Macbooks/Macbook Pros come) it seems to be a pain in the ass that I can't work out from looking round and only seems possible with jail breaking?!?!?! If Im wrong, please tell me how!

Here is how you make a ringtone in iTunes. I would assume it works on Windows too.

Create Ringtones for free with just iTunes
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post #176 of 315
9/12/08 at 3:04pm
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

The point of not supporting it is to push everyone to using the technology Apple supports. Which would not work if you supported technology you don't want people to use.

It's interesting that Apple isn't supporting an expensive, poor quality way to send images, in favour of a more robust, free method. Just imagine the backlash if Apple were pushing a feature that cost you money over a free one.
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post #177 of 315
9/12/08 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by john_howells View Post

Thats really interesting, in the UK it is HUGE and literally everyone uses it across cheaper phones and also the top of the range ones. Yes there is a cost attached but I guess we havent caught onto the Email/mobile thing yet. I've got friends of the same age (I'm 28) that use it loads and often get MMS from family members of all ages of pictures from parties of relatives and stuff.

I would say the carriers have made a concerted effort to push usage of SMS/MMS by making it easier to use. Because they can monetize SMS/MMS, cannot monetize email/IM.
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post #178 of 315
9/12/08 at 3:17pm
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post #179 of 315
9/12/08 at 3:19pm
I would love to update my iphone with todays update, however, when i installed itunes8 on tuesday, when i try to connect to itunes store, it informs that my network connection timed out, in addition trying the "update" button. i had to restore my vista machine to one day before the install, install 7.7.1 and i can connect to the store again. hopefully i don't have to wait too long. anyone else have the same issue? (by the way - i know it's not my firewall, connection, flushed the dns, drivers, etc - i basically tried everything i could)
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post #180 of 315
9/12/08 at 3:32pm
does anybody know if there is a third party sms/mms app(s) out there...i live is a remote island in southern australia and call / data prices are massive

btw what is the size of the update?

cheers
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post #181 of 315
9/12/08 at 3:37pm
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Originally Posted by nitro View Post

does anybody know if there is a third party sms/mms app(s) out there...i live is a remote island in southern australia and call / data prices are massive

btw what is the size of the update?

cheers

237.8MB

The only MMS app for jailbroken iPhones I know about still isn't ready for v2.x, and their App Store request still hasn't been approved.
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post #182 of 315
9/12/08 at 3:45pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

237.8MB

The only MMS app for jailbroken iPhones I know about still isn't ready for v2.x, and their App Store request still hasn't been approved.

thank you...i wish my internet speed was fast enough to attempt the download at this time.\
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post #183 of 315
9/12/08 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by john_howells View Post

My understanding is that from a Mac, setting ringtones is easy with Garage Band but those of us still using a PC (I'm gonna make the switch when the new Macbooks/Macbook Pros come) it seems to be a pain in the ass that I can't work out from looking round and only seems possible with jail breaking?!?!?! If Im wrong, please tell me how!

You can make them easy enough on the PC. Below is how. Garage band doesn't actually take and shorten MP3's so unless your writing your own song.. it would be useless to you.

1. Choose the song you want to make a ringtone. (it will need to be DRM free).

2. Now you need to shorten this song to less that 40 seconds. It will recognize it in iTunes if not, but will not allow you to sync it to your phone. Trust me i just tried. You can find all sorts of bits of software out there for the PC that can do this.

3. Save it it.

4. It needs to be in apples .acc format (also known as .m4a). If its an MP3 you can convert this in iTunes. In iTunes 8 its easier, just select the file, go the the advanced menu and click create ACC version.

5. Locate that file in your music folder.

6. Change the extension that it has (either .acc or m4a) to m4r

M4A = Audio
M4V = Video
M4R = RIngtone

7. Drag it into itunes and it'll suck it up

Done
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post #184 of 315
9/12/08 at 3:54pm
I just installed an application and noticed that there is now a Size detail on the Application page in the App Store. There used to not be that detail before the 2.1 update.

Definitely useful so you know how long it might take to download the application (especially for things like games) when you aren't on WiFi.

--Alex
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post #185 of 315
9/12/08 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

I would count that as a blessing.
Do you really need something to "recommend" music to you and make up bogus playlists? -take all your information and "know" your likes and dislikes?

Yes. Genius is a good concept and will get better.

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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Isn't shuffle good enough?

No. Why would I want a slow piano ballad followed by a techno club song...that shits me. I don't have time to go through and classify each song according to genre, and I would have to do each song because you get singles that contain a remix and a b-side for instance...

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Do you like when Amazon or Ebay "recommends" crap to you because you bought something vaguely like it? Do you need someone to "recommend" a pair of socks or a shirt to go with your pants you're buying when you shop?

No, the stupid Genius says I'm missing songs that are clearly in my Library...
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post #186 of 315
9/12/08 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by iandean1980 View Post

You can make them easy enough on the PC. Below is how. Garage band doesn't actually take and shorten MP3's so unless your writing your own song.. it would be useless to you.

1. Choose the song you want to make a ringtone. (it will need to be DRM free).

2. Now you need to shorten this song to less that 40 seconds. It will recognize it in iTunes if not, but will not allow you to sync it to your phone. Trust me i just tried. You can find all sorts of bits of software out there for the PC that can do this.

3. Save it it.

4. It needs to be in apples .acc format (also known as .m4a). If its an MP3 you can convert this in iTunes. In iTunes 8 its easier, just select the file, go the the advanced menu and click create ACC version.

5. Locate that file in your music folder.

6. Change the extension that it has (either .acc or m4a) to m4r

M4A = Audio
M4V = Video
M4R = RIngtone

7. Drag it into itunes and it'll suck it up

Done

OK, done all that above but can't change the extension in Vista?? Still shows as a .m4a (tried just adding .m4r after too) and there isn't the option like in XP to change the extension?? Sorry, I am completely dense!
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post #187 of 315
9/12/08 at 4:13pm
I am so glad that I can once again listen to voicemail messages via my connected BT headset. It was getting really old having to use speakerphone with a headset in my ear, not to mention the handsfree law in California which makes me feel like a criminal now if I hold a phone near my head.
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post #188 of 315
9/12/08 at 4:14pm
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Originally Posted by john_howells View Post

OK, done all that above but can't change the extension in Vista?? Still shows as a .m4a (tried just adding .m4r after too) and there isn't the option like in XP to change the extension?? Sorry, I am completely dense!

Oh buggar.. Hmmm

Maybe go the the windows explorer, click the tools menu and then folder options. there maybe an option on there that says show file extension?

I'm not sure im running blind...
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post #189 of 315
9/12/08 at 4:16pm
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Originally Posted by RussGJohnson View Post

I am so glad that I can once again listen to voicemail messages via my connected BT headset. It was getting really old having to use speakerphone with a headset in my ear, not to mention the handsfree law in California which makes me feel like a criminal now if I hold a phone near my head.


Try this

1. Open a folder or open explorer
2. Click the Layout button (to the left of the Views button) as shown in the picture below
3. Click Folder Options
4. Click the View tab
5. Uncheck Hide extensions for known file types
6. Click OK
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post #190 of 315
9/12/08 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by iandean1980 View Post

Try this

1. Open a folder or open explorer
2. Click the Layout button (to the left of the Views button) as shown in the picture below
3. Click Folder Options
4. Click the View tab
5. Uncheck Hide extensions for known file types
6. Click OK

You are an absolute legend! Worked straight away! Thank you sooooooo much!

Now how about make me able to use Bluetooth on my iPhone so I can transfer files to and from it!
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post #191 of 315
9/12/08 at 4:35pm
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Originally Posted by john_howells View Post

You are an absolute legend! Worked straight away! Thank you sooooooo much!

Now how about make me able to use Bluetooth on my iPhone so I can transfer files to and from it!

I'll work on it... hmm maybe i could also get the iphone to give me head too..
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post #192 of 315
9/12/08 at 4:45pm
YES! Apple finally fixed Russian language wording on iPhone.

Thank God. All translations were in different tense. Looked like Google translated it. Before a lot of long words would break apart email buttons and Voicemail buttons. Now its all fixed. They fix long words with shorter ones or in some cases put (...) three dots.


THANK YOU APPLE!
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post #193 of 315
9/12/08 at 5:06pm
Just got in but not going to update to 2.1 jst yet as im shattered. But how are you all finding it?
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post #194 of 315
9/12/08 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by john_howells View Post

Can I ask a question as from the UK, the MMS doesn't seem such an issue to US, Canada etc, is this because you guys dont use it as much as email from mobiles??

Not at all we here on this side of the pond just don't run with the up skirt crowd and other pervs. For the most part that is the demgraphic that MMS appeals that and the drunken crowd.

The other issue is that and SMS cost money, money better spent else where. Especially when you have better alternatives.

Dave
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post #195 of 315
9/12/08 at 5:23pm
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Originally Posted by john_howells View Post

OK, done all that above but can't change the extension in Vista?? Still shows as a .m4a (tried just adding .m4r after too) and there isn't the option like in XP to change the extension?? Sorry, I am completely dense!

when did the AI forum become a vista how-to forum?
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post #196 of 315
9/12/08 at 5:23pm
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Originally Posted by saveasnail View Post

I totally agree.... MMS is big in the UK and has been for a long time. So to have the latest all singing, all dancing phone but that cant do MMS is a shock to the system. Most people assume they can MMS you and it is an embarrassment to tell them your beautiful iPhone youve boasted over for so long cannot do something so simple. I dont think it would be too much of a stretch to add it to the phone. This is a phone catering for a worldwide market and just because MMS isnt as popular in the US doesnt mean it shouldnt be on the iPhone.

On the subject of Genius - its a great feature and by far superior to plain old shuffle. With a huge library of songs, it has helped me rediscover music I hadnt heard in a long time. Im not sure why people are so negative about it.

Where in the UK are you from? MMS is NOT big in the UK. I myself have only used it once ever and I dont know anyone that uses it. Its a nice feature but like video calling it wasnt marketed right and hence flopped. I dont think people would raise an eyebrow becasue iphone doesnt support MMS. Something like file transfer over BT however is a bit of a silly issue but thats something else altogther.
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post #197 of 315
9/12/08 at 5:24pm
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Originally Posted by iandean1980 View Post

The 2.1 firmware now supports a triple click to skip to the previous track when playing music.

This makes me sooooooo happy!



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post #198 of 315
9/12/08 at 5:28pm
Updated my 3G iPhone to 2.1 this morning.

-Update took about 15 minutes, and there were no flaws or hang ups, went smooth.
-Overall the UI is smoother and faster, not sluggish as before.
-Contacts don't have the dreaded lag anymore, at least not on my iPhone.
-Applications load faster.
-Updating applications went much faster, and FINALLY the icons stay where they were!!!
-Loading new applications was much faster too.
-Syncing is dramatically faster with iTunes, backup only took a few seconds, then it synced everything else. All in all about a minute or so total.
-3G network seems to be present more and not dropping or switching to Edge like it used to.
-I've tried it with 3G on all day, so far the battery still has plenty of life, though I must admit I wasn't making many calls or browing with Safari much, but at least I know it has enough juice to get me through the day with moderate use.

Still looking around on it for any other improvements or features.

All in all this doesn't feel like a beta version anymore. I only wish they would have added COPY AND PASTE, can you hear all the noise about this Apple? How many people will have to complain until they add such a fundamental feature?

I'm finally mostly satisfied with this truly revolutionary device. Kudos Apple!
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post #199 of 315
9/12/08 at 6:35pm
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Originally Posted by Rot'nApple View Post

Lets not jinks it by have 50 posts saying "its snappier" is all I'm saying.

Nobody's trying to *jinks* (jinx) it; you didn't have to snap at him!
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post #200 of 315
9/12/08 at 6:38pm
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Originally Posted by denislemire View Post

Previous to 2.1 when a call came in the entire screen was dominated by the photo of the incoming caller from your contacts.

Now it just shows a small photo and caller details at the top overlaid over your background image.

I'm probably just being resistant to change here, but my initial thought is I like the old way better.

This dates back to iPhone 1.0 with the original iPhone. My brother had the same issue. It has something do with the photos set for each contact. When the phone syncs with the Mac, it would update photos from the Address Book application. This would create the smaller photos. If photos were attached to contacts from the phone's photo library, the full size images would appear as you described. I never had the problem when I bought my 16 GB phone with 1.1.4.

So you might want to troubleshoot it yourself by choosing photos from the iPhone vs. the photos stored in your address book application on the Mac.
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