Apple releases iPhone Software v2.1 - Page 8

Originally Posted by bitzandbitez

is APPLE paying off people to post 'good' things about this update to confuse us??
I knew i should've waited - but since i read the post in here - i thought well Heck i needed to update and ITS WORSE!!!!! URRRRRRRRRGH i am getting so mad at APPLE ... Steve J. are you reading the blogs and the post in here???? its NOT better... its worse... my phone is acting like a Windows PC running 'OS '98

i want to get a verizon phone now i hear its better recept and just works or maybe a dare i dunno-- they better fix this crap and FAST. They are losing a real APPLE HARD CORE FAN , i usually defend APPLE products but i am getting more & more disillusioned with my 3rd iphone replacement so far ---

DON"T UPDATE I WARN YOU.... wait until they review this on the blogs and other post here.... so, so unhappy with my i-phone--- yea and please don't tell me to return it and get my $$$ back --
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Originally Posted by bitzandbitez

is APPLE paying off people to post 'good' things about this update to confuse us??
I knew i should've waited - but since i read the post in here - i thought well Heck i needed to update and ITS WORSE!!!!! URRRRRRRRRGH i am getting so mad at APPLE ... Steve J. are you reading the blogs and the post in here???? its NOT better... its worse... my phone is acting like a Windows PC running 'OS '98

i want to get a verizon phone now i hear its better recept and just works or maybe a dare i dunno-- they better fix this crap and FAST. They are losing a real APPLE HARD CORE FAN , i usually defend APPLE products but i am getting more & more disillusioned with my 3rd iphone replacement so far ---

DON"T UPDATE I WARN YOU.... wait until they review this on the blogs and other post here.... so, so unhappy with my i-phone--- yea and please don't tell me to return it and get my $$$ back --
http://forums.appleinsider.com/image...ies/1oyvey.gif

Originally Posted by Kickaha

Yes, much the same argument was made regarding Compuserve and AOL not needing email gateways to the general internet. Today we regard those people as having been hopelessly backwards and limited.



You again missed the point. iPhone email -> SMS. You email, they get it *ON THEIR PHONE*, and they get immediately. From their end, reception of an SMS looks *EXACTLY THE SAME*. There is no difference. There is no CS degree required. I send my brother 140char emails to his phone all the time - he never knows the difference, other than the sending number isn't mine. Just select their phone email address and send. It's just like regular email from your end, just like regular SMS from theirs. If that's too complicated for anyone... I dunno, perhaps they shouldn't be using SMS. "OMG! It's just like before! It's *blowing my mind*!"

For them to send you an email, show them how to do it from their phone - hell, just teach them how to send an email to anyone. I have yet to meet someone who didn't think it wasn't the slickest thing. "You mean I can *do that*?" Show them how to save a template with your email address, and use that as the seed instead of your phone number. (Who punches in a phone number? Almost no one - you save it, you look it up. Looking up a pre-saved gateway address is just as simple.)

No one has to do anything different to receive anything from you.

To send to you, they just have to select a different phone number entry from your contact.

Hmm, maybe you're right, that's *entirely* too complicated for people.



No, it's not. Lack of information about how to use send email to an SMS account is the problem. The phone is fine. MMS is not. It's a horrible kludge that is being used as a scam.



Bollocks. I send them from my Mac, through email. I get them on my Mac, through email. An email client is an email client.

Only ignorance of how to append the carrier domain to the recipient's phone number is preventing iPhone users from doing so. Ignorance is easy to fix, as long as it's not willful ignorance.

And yes, I've heard the "ZOMG, I have to ask them their carrier *too*?" response. Uh, yes, just like you have to ask them their domain for the email. How ever do we survive doing that, I wonder?

Here's a quick solution: set up some email templates that massage your email address into the form needed for various carriers. (What's the most there, half a dozen for most people?) When someone asks you for your phone #, send it and the template for their carrier. (After all, you did ask for their carrier, right?) They save the info just like they would any other phone #, and voila. Their work is done. Now they have all the info to MMS to you, and they had to do no more than they would otherwise. You sent it, they saved it, they use it. Done.



Because no hoops are needed to be jumped through. It's right there in your email.



It's only a shortcoming if you refuse to recognize that there's really little difference other than how you look up the address for an email, or a phone number, from an address book. This isn't complicated, it's not some arcane workaround. It's simple, straightforward, and turns the knife just that little bit more on SMS.

Hell, who's up for writing a tiny little app for the iPhone that hooks into the Contacts DB and lets you select the carrier when you enter a phone number, so you get the corresponding email gateway info entered in as an email address marked 'SMS/MMS', automatically? Couldn't be simpler in that case - ask them for their phone #, ask them for their carrier, pick from the pop-up list, it creates the entry *and* creates the proper return template for that carrier, and sends to them. They save, and you're both done.

Anyway, it's obvious you're never going to convince me that MMS is a necessary feature, and I'm never going to convince you that there are alternatives that don't require advanced technical skills... the carrier marketing is apparently pretty good. How about we skip this topic, and get back to the iPhone 2.1 update?

Originally Posted by dfiler

It is astounding that attitude that some people take toward MMS...

Some feel that simply because they don't use it, it must not be very popular. Others are waging a dogmatic and political smear campaign because they feel the business model is unjust. Then there is the crowd that offers up hopelessly cumbersome workarounds. Finally there are the theoretical arguments which take the long term view, wanting to replace MMS with something better.

None of that addresses the fact that MMS is the most convenient and popular way to send pictures to other phones. While apple may eventually replace it with something just as easy to use and superior in other ways as well, that doesn't help in the here and now. It doesn't help people who actually want to send and receive pictures to their friends and coworkers... today.

Lack of MMS is a huge shortcoming. It may pay off in the long run if apple succeeds in switching the industry over to something better. That is a quite debatable subject. But what can't be argued is that the lack of this functionality is preventing iPhone users from joining the rest of mobile phone users in conveniently sharing pictures with each other. This isn't a theoretical assertion. It is the way things are today, not tomorrow, but today. iPhone users are not sending pictures to other phones. iPhone users aren't jumping through the hoops to receive pictures from other phones.

I still love my iPhone. But let's be honest about this shortcoming.

Originally Posted by jrg_uk

Not me. Across previous phones that I've had that were MMS capable I must have used it about three or four times in total. My GF's phone (a cheap Nokia, no camera) doesn't support it either.
One time when I tried it completely failed to work, but (so the intended recipient told me) kept failing to send to his phone.

In the early days I think the UK networks were bundling in a small allowance of MMS messages to get their customers to use it (in the hope that they'd use it more, like SMS, and it would make them more money.) But the cost they charge per message, compared to the actual amount of data required to send a picture, is such a rip-off.

So, sure, it could be a nice 'tick-box' feature to have on the phone (and it would mean the whiners need to find something else to complain about), but it's really no huge loss. I don't miss push-WAP messages either - they just seem to be used by phone spam fraudsters.

What I would really like is the ability to highlight/select text in an email, reply, and only get that included text though! (Or, to be able to select text and delete it in one go.) I dislike having to include the entire previous text of an email when I reply.

Originally Posted by dfiler

Others are waging a dogmatic and political smear campaign because they feel the business model is unjust.

Then there is the crowd that offers up hopelessly cumbersome workarounds. Finally there are the theoretical arguments which take the long term view, wanting to replace MMS with something better.

None of that addresses the fact that MMS is the most convenient and popular way to send pictures to other phones.

While apple may eventually replace it with something just as easy to use and superior in other ways as well, that doesn't help in the here and now. It doesn't help people who actually want to send and receive pictures to their friends and coworkers... today.

Originally Posted by Bradley

Is there a way to LISTEN to a music video without displaying the video, therefore freeing the iPhone to run other apps whilst playing? Previously in 1.x tapping a music vid in any tab except "videos" accomplished this. Now in 2.x it plays the video but stops playing upon exiting the iPod app. Thoughts?

Originally Posted by solipsism

I noticed this too. I think your only recourse is to use an app like QT Pro or VLC to extract the audio and make a separate file.

Originally Posted by Footloose301

Turning it off and then back on it not a hard reset.

Hold both the "Home" button and the button at the top(the one that turns the display on/off) until it shuts off and you see the Apple logo appear. That is a hard reset and should fix your issue.

Originally Posted by antonypg

I have just noticed that the iPhone 2.1 software now lets me switch the 24 hour clock off and revert back to good old AM/PM. The 12 hour clock has not been available if the time zone was set to London.

Originally Posted by cdawg92

Phone is definitely more responsive. Contact list comes up nice and quick. Backups are also much faster now and that is one thing I was really looking for in this update. Wow, Safari is really responsive. Gmail comes up alot quicker now, did they improve the javascript engine? Never really had a problem with 3G here in Atlanta so can't tell if calls are better. Will have to play some more.

Originally Posted by geov

Hey guys

I seem to have a big problem.

I updated my iphone with the latest software update and ever since I haven't had 3g connection at all. I had it before with no problems but with the latest update I don't seem to ever have it.

Any clues or tips you may be able to share to get this issue fixed?

Thanks a lot.

Geov

Originally Posted by dfiler

My only rebutal to that massive post... if the MMS workaround were really that simple, it could have been described in just one sentence.

I think we'll just have to disagree on this one.

Originally Posted by bavlondon2

Thanks for that. I just tried it and I have full 3G reception indoors. Excellent!

Originally Posted by Kickaha

Not everyone has MMS on their phone. Not everyone wants MMS on their phone.

Email is open, MMS is not. It's that simple, IMO... with email, you can send to anywhere in the world, with MMS, you can send to phones only. It's a closed system, like Compuserve or AOL in the 80s. And like them, it will die out as soon as people realize it's a lame, legacy, expensive scam.



1) Call them and ask.
2) Most carriers have email/MMS gateways. If you know their phone number, you can email them short emails at <phone#>@<carrier>.net and it gets delivered to them on their SMS/MMS system, to their phone.



I don't pay for SMS either - it's a total scam.



Email it to the above phone#@carrier... keep the following list handy: http://www.mutube.com/projects/open-.../gateway-list/ When I get a phone number, I ask for their carrier as well. Sometimes I get funny looks, but when I explain that it means I can send them things through email, they think it's really cool.

You email, they get it through SMS/MMS. You pay nothing, they pay for their end.

And, it works the other way too on some carriers... phones can email out by sending to a special SMS number: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_gat...Email_Gateways



See 4. They get it immediately.

And, on the other hand, I don't get fleeped with random cutesy crap all day.

Originally Posted by hittrj01

Because music is just a bunch of files that are able to be accessed, the apps are actually getting installed and becoming part of the operating system. I agree, it should still not be THIS slow, but there is still a lot more going on when you install apps than a simple file transfer.

Originally Posted by dfiler

It is astounding that attitude that some people take toward MMS...

Some feel that simply because they don't use it, it must not be very popular. Others are waging a dogmatic and political smear campaign because they feel the business model is unjust. Then there is the crowd that offers up hopelessly cumbersome workarounds. Finally there are the theoretical arguments which take the long term view, wanting to replace MMS with something better.

None of that addresses the fact that MMS is the most convenient and popular way to send pictures to other phones. While apple may eventually replace it with something just as easy to use and superior in other ways as well, that doesn't help in the here and now. It doesn't help people who actually want to send and receive pictures to their friends and coworkers... today.

Please don't reply by suggesting workarounds involving email and gateways and etc... While I have degrees in CS and manage server rooms, none of the people I'm communicating with have those credentials. Their expertise is elsewhere. If I were to send any of them a MMS, they'd receive and view it with no training or difficulty. It is unfortunate that is impossible without wasting a bunch of time. If I were to email a picture, they wouldn't see it until later in the day or even later in the week. If they were to send me an MMS, i'd have to use a pencil and paper to view it.

Lack of MMS is a huge shortcoming. It may pay off in the long run if apple succeeds in switching the industry over to something better. That is a quite debatable subject. But what can't be argued is that the lack of this functionality is preventing iPhone users from joining the rest of mobile phone users in conveniently sharing pictures with each other. This isn't a theoretical assertion. It is the way things are today, not tomorrow, but today. iPhone users are not sending pictures to other phones. iPhone users aren't jumping through the hoops to receive pictures from other phones.

I still love my iPhone. But let's be honest about this shortcoming.

Originally Posted by philbot

Don't know if anyone else has noticed (or posted) this but I like the way the text message alert repeats after a few minutes if you don't read it. Ideal if someone texes you while you're in another room.

Originally Posted by asneddon

6) Suggestion rather than a complaint. I get email at all hours. I would like to be able to have an audible alarm during the day, but not from say 2300 through to 0600. My wife would like it more that way!

Originally Posted by solipsism

There is a switch on the left-side of the phone. At 2300 flip it down. At 0600 flip it up. Welcome to AI! Unfortunately there are no profiles for the iPhone that will do that.

Originally Posted by asneddon

Damn, never thought of that. I guess the brain isnt at 100% when I go to bed

Originally Posted by solipsism

LOL I was being a smart ass. I thought you were looking for automated method.

Originally Posted by ajmas

Looks like Safari now support SVG on the iPhone

For a few SVG examples to test out: http://www.croczilla.com/svg/samples/

Originally Posted by solipsism

Then it has supported it since v2.0 as the WebKit build hasn't changed. I'm not sure about 1.x, though. Perhaps I can deduce by finding out what Acid3 tests it didn't pass.