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Well in that case, maybe you could toss an extra five-hundred bucks my way, since that's how much it costs to get an equally-equipped Apple laptop, and you don't seem to be all too concerned with giving out free money

See, that is where you and everyone else that harps on about this "apple tax", "apple premium" etc etc is wrong. As i said, engineering, design, software development all costs money and apple are entitled to retrieve that through the price of the hardware they sell.

For the luxury of not having to worry about viruses, of not having to run anti-virus software that slows down my computer and makes the whole computing experience a pain in the arse, it is worth it.

Why do you want an apple computer, by the way?
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We all love Apple computers for the same reasons.

The only thing Apple does that makes it so we don't need antivirus software is not have an insane amount of the marketshare. People make viruses for Windows, because that is what the majority of users have. That didn't cost Apple any money.
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The Mini is over priced beyond all reason.

Yeah i don't understand how there wasn't at least a price drop sometime before the last 13 months since its been updated.
post #124 of 288
Exactly. Once upon a time it was a decent value...

...but if/when that existed, it was too long ago.
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We all love Apple computers for the same reasons.

The only thing Apple does that makes it so we don't need antivirus software is not have an insane amount of the marketshare. People make viruses for Windows, because that is what the majority of users have. That didn't cost Apple any money.

whatever the reason, and i don't believe that marketshare is the only reason for it, it's how it is - for the time being at least.

and that is only one of the reason i stated.
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It is the only reason. It isn't hard to write a virus for a Mac. There just isn't much reason for it.

And Taco, I posted in your thread.
post #128 of 288
http://www.EroGear.com

Is that really your company John?

When is shipping beginning?
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post #129 of 288
I can't really see a reason for buying a jacket like that...
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It is the only reason. It isn't hard to write a virus for a Mac. There just isn't much reason for it.

if so, so be it. however long it lasts, it will be a positive.

once again, that is not the only reason for purchasing a mac, nor for the apparent "Apple Premium" that is much-bemoaned by some here and many elsewhere.
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http://www.EroGear.com

Is that really your company John?

When is shipping beginning?

We're already shipping. Just finishing up a job for this guy now–

http://www.marcotempest.com/

Also had an opportunity to do one for George Michael, but it fell through...
post #132 of 288
I don't even know what point you're trying to make anymore...
post #133 of 288
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...A groin-burning aluminum case and LED backlighting isn't really enough to justify $999.

My groinz are doing better thanks to teh SMCFanControl...
post #134 of 288
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See, that is where you and everyone else that harps on about this "apple tax", "apple premium" etc etc is wrong. As i said, engineering, design, software development all costs money and apple are entitled to retrieve that through the price of the hardware they sell.

For the luxury of not having to worry about viruses, of not having to run anti-virus software that slows down my computer and makes the whole computing experience a pain in the arse, it is worth it.

Why do you want an apple computer, by the way?

Yup. VALUE. If anyone talks purely about the hardware specs itself, then of course Apple offers no tangible advantage. Talk about OS X, iLife'08, design, etc. etc... Then it's a whole 'nother thing. Apple's pricing is one thing... The other is that people can choose whether they are willing to pay that or not. How much are people willing to spend on the experience??? That is really the question, especially in these few years while the economy, well, sucks.
post #135 of 288
And people ARE paying that much. Apple doesn't really have all that much motivation to drop prices.
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We're already shipping. Just finishing up a job for this guy now
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http://www.EroGear.com
Is that really your company John?
When is shipping beginning?

That jacket is badass. Marketing peoples around the world would be very, very interested. Much better than those kids riding around on Segways handing out brochures.

Can it be hooked up to live Internet feeds?
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That jacket is badass. Marketing peoples around the world would be very, very interested. Much better than those kids riding around on Segways handing out brochures.

Can it be hooked up to live Internet feeds?

For now it can play video from an SD card and also be programmed to scroll text.

We also have a digg counter that works like old school odometer but people mostly just play their video content from SD cards.
post #138 of 288
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I don't even know what point you're trying to make anymore...

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See, that is where you and everyone else that harps on about this "apple tax", "apple premium" etc etc is wrong. As i said, engineering, design, software development all costs money and apple are entitled to retrieve that through the price of the hardware they sell.

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post #139 of 288
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See, that is where you and everyone else that harps on about this "apple tax", "apple premium" etc etc is wrong. As i said, engineering, design, software development all costs money and apple are entitled to retrieve that through the price of the hardware they sell.

I'm not opposed to, and fully expect, to pay a premium for Apple's hardware because of the design and the superior software included. I'm more than happy to pay, say, a 20% premium over an identically specced Windows laptop. But a 50% or more premium? Well if you're willing to pay that, then I've got a $5000 MacBook Pro I'd like to sell you.
post #140 of 288
But we already covered that issue...

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I'm not opposed to, and fully expect, to pay a premium for Apple's hardware because of the design and the superior software included. I'm more than happy to pay, say, a 20% premium over an identically specced Windows laptop. But a 50% or more premium? Oh no thank you.

This.
post #141 of 288
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I'm not opposed to, and fully expect, to pay a premium for Apple's hardware because of the design and the superior software included. I'm more than happy to pay, say, a 20% premium over an identically specced Windows laptop. But a 50% or more premium? Well if you're willing to pay that, then I've got a $5000 MacBook Pro I'd like to sell you.

where are you pulling these figure out of? I've never ever seen a $5k mbp, even in A$. 50% premium? um, a touch melodramatic?
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where are you pulling these figure out of? I've never ever seen a $5k mbp, even in A$. 50% premium? um, a touch melodramatic?

I'm adding a 50% premium to my used MacBook Pro, since you're content with paying that much extra for its engineering, design, and software

Regarding a 50% premium for Apple products (at times), look:

Dell XPS M1330 $1099
2.4Ghz T8300, 800Mhz FSB, 3MB Cache
3GB RAM
320GB Hard Drive
Burn DVDs, Burn CDs
Webcam, Bluetooth, Wifi

MacBook $1499
2.4Ghz T8300, 800Mhz FSB, 3MB Cache
2GB RAM
250GB Hard Drive
Burn DVDs, Burn CDs
Webcam, Bluetooth, Wifi


Note that you can't get a 320GB hard drive in a MacBook, and the RAM is a GB less than the Dells, but you can upgrade to 4GB of RAM in the MacBook for a low low price of $1,699 if you act now.
post #143 of 288
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As i said, engineering, design, software development all costs money

Are you aware of how much it costs them? Otherwise the point is moot.

^Ahhh, well played, Cory.
post #144 of 288
This line of argument has been rebutted on many occasions by others more knowledgeable than i. If you want to count that as a win, go for it, because i cbf and whether you purchase an mb or mbp doesn't matter to me. Whine away, whilst we use our macs and enjoy the experience.

Buy your cheaper PC, enjoy whatever OS you choose to use, enjoy the pitfalls of viruses and anti-virus software, enjoy not using iApps and pro-Apps, enjoy sony recalling your viao, or your dell falling apart etc etc. Then you can whine some more.

Adding 50% to a used mbp, oh how convincing, and witty. :golfclap:
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Buy your cheaper PC, enjoy whatever OS you choose to use, enjoy the pitfalls of viruses and anti-virus software, enjoy not using iApps and pro-Apps, enjoy sony recalling your viao, or your dell falling apart etc etc. Then you can whine some more.



FFS

Screw you, I'm going to enjoy my Mac, and continue whining and love every minute of it.

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FFS

Screw you, I'm going to enjoy my Mac, and continue whining and love every minute of it.


haha, good post!

fwiw, that was directed at CB.
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post #147 of 288
I know, and I do hope you could tell that I didn't meant any offense.

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I know, and I do hope you could tell that I didn't meant any offense.


no worries!
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You smilie thief!

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You smilie thief!


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post #151 of 288
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Sony has often been considered one of the more expensive vendors, but ok then:

Apple MacBook $1099
2.1Ghz T8100, 800Mhz FSB, 3MB Cache
1GB RAM
120GB Hard Drive
Play DVDs, Burn CDs
Webcam, Bluetooth, Wifi


Dell XPS M1330 $1099
2.4Ghz T8300, 800Mhz FSB, 3MB Cache
3GB RAM
320GB Hard Drive
Burn DVDs, Burn CDs
Webcame, Bluetooth, Wifi

From the Dell Home site on 9/16/2008:

XPS M1330 2.1Ghz - $1,258

Tuxedo Black
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T8100 (2.1GHz/800Mhz FSB/3MB cache)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition SP1
Standard Display with 2.0 Megapixel Webcam
2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz
Size: 160GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW Drive)
Intel® Integrated Graphics Media Accelerator X3100
Intel Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini-card
Built-in Bluetooth capability (2.0 EDR)
56Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell)
High Definition Audio 2.0
Biometric Fingerprint Reader

MacBook 2.1Ghz - $1,249

MacBook 2.1GHz Intel Core 2 Duo - White
Part Number: Z0FJ
2.1GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
160GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
Combo Drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
Keyboard (English) / User's Guide
Accessory kit

That's even with Apple's $100 for 1GB of RAM ripoff. $41.99 at Crucial for a 2GB kit. Combo drive though.

Lets try at 2.4Ghz

XPS M1330 2.4 GHz- $1,308

Tuxedo Black
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T8300 (2.4GHz/800Mhz FSB/3MB cache)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition SP1
Standard Display with 2.0 Megapixel Webcam
2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz
Size: 160GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW Drive)
Intel® Integrated Graphics Media Accelerator X3100
Intel Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini-card
Built-in Bluetooth capability (2.0 EDR)
56Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell)
High Definition Audio 2.0
Biometric Fingerprint Reader

MacBook 2.4GHz - $1299

MacBook (White) - 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Part Number: MB403LL/A
2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
160GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Keyboard (English) / User's Guide
Accessory kit

The new Dell Inspiron 13 2.4Ghz is cheaper but lacks FW and DVI. The next MB should stack up very well against it when it comes out soon and more on par with the more upscale XPS line...which I guess will get a refresh as well.

But what is clear is that the MB is STILL competitive with BOTH Dell and Sony. At least when you actually GO to thier sites and get real pricing.
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But what is clear is that the MB is STILL competitive with BOTH Dell and Sony. At least when you actually GO to thier sites and get real pricing.

The specs I posted were from their website earlier today. For the life of me I cannot find them again, but I'm sure you know well as me that trying to shop from Dell's website is damn near impossible.
post #153 of 288
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I'm adding a 50% premium to my used MacBook Pro, since you're content with paying that much extra for its engineering, design, and software

Regarding a 50% premium for Apple products (at times), look:

There is no premium. Against the XPS M1330, from the price from their US Home site the MacBook is cheaper as shown above.
post #154 of 288
Here's the XPS M1330's specs and price I had found earlier today and posted here.
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The new Dell Inspiron 13 2.4Ghz is cheaper but lacks FW and DVI. The next MB should stack up very well against it when it comes out soon and more on par with the more upscale XPS line...which I guess will get a refresh as well.

Apple has stated it will offer expensive functionality that other OEM will not be able to compete with. Theirs still a mystery as to what that will be.
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The specs I posted were from their website earlier today. For the life of me I cannot find them again, but I'm sure you know well as me that trying to shop from Dell's website is damn near impossible.

Well they aren't $250 cheaper right now even with the $438 instant savings although it does come with 3GB RAM and a 250GB drive in that package but it's $1,344 for the 2.1Ghz model. The 2.4GHz version is $1,394.

Yes, you DO need to add in Bluetooth and the 6-cell battery for the M1330 since the MacBook has those.

The Dell Inspiron 13 IS cheaper than both the M1330 and the MacBook because it was released last month and is a lower end model.
post #157 of 288
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Here's the XPS M1330's specs and price I had found earlier today and posted here.

That's a nice sale price, I stand corrected. The only thing you need to add is the $79 6 Cell battery that puts it at $1,178.

Now the MacBook 2.4Ghz at Amazon is $1,203.98 with rebate but is short 1GB of RAM and half the size HDD.

It's STILL not a 50% cost differential.
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Apple has stated it will offer expensive functionality that other OEM will not be able to compete with. Theirs still a mystery as to what that will be.

We'll know when we know. It may not even be related to the MacBook...there are too many potential product changes to even hazard a guess beyond the usual suspects.
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Well they aren't $250 cheaper right now even with the $438 instant savings although it does come with 3GB RAM and a 250GB drive in that package but it's $1,344 for the 2.1Ghz model. The 2.4GHz version is $1,394.

Yes, you DO need to add in Bluetooth and the 6-cell battery for the M1330 since the MacBook has those.

The Dell Inspiron 13 IS cheaper than both the M1330 and the MacBook because it was released last month and is a lower end model.

Yes, it's a lower model, but more of a direct competitor to the MacBook 13". The XPS, whetever PR spin you want to give it, is a more high-end notebook that is offerred with dedicated gfx as an option. The Inspiron 13" is integrated only, as is the MacBook.

PS: the Inspiron even has an ExpressCard slot and a SD card reader. I need those! I hope the next MacBook has them built-in!\
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post #160 of 288
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Well in that case, maybe you could toss an extra five-hundred bucks my way, since that's how much it costs to get an equally-equipped Apple laptop, and you don't seem to be all too concerned with giving out free money

It does not cost an extra $500 to get an equally equipped MacBook. Show me a laptop with the MacBook's specs for $500.

For the MBP, there are PC alternatives for $500 less, but they are uber ugly, run Windozzzzze, etc.
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