Originally Posted by Hassan i Sabbah
John McCain is going to win the election.
Its going to be a catastrophe for America, theres nothing that anyone can do to stop it and its so, so awful to watch.
I agree. I think we should adopt the Euro model whereby we have votes about the EU Constitution, ignore them and then let the agencies grab all the money and begin setting themselves up anyway. Then we should move on to letting Sharia courts be set up and enforce the rule of law. Finally as a kicker we should always ignore action in our backyard and profit from the sactions we set up.
That would be awesome.
Only Americans get to choose their President but everybody else in the world has to live with the consequences. From outside America its really easy to see that history's about to be thwarted, by a nation that used to guide history, and that John McCain is exactly, 100%, what that nation doesnt need. Electing Barack Obama America could at a stroke restore its reputation in the world, restore the idea that it stands for possibility and the power of the imagination to make extraordinary changes that actually benefit its citizens, but it's not going to.
See I see the opposite. Europe is about the become Islamic while suffering a demographic implosion within their native cultures and people. Japan and China are much the same with regard to demography only worse since they enforce one child policies or are so racist they wouldn't allow immigration to attempt to solve their problems. Among all that I consider the odds of the U.S. better than most.
Outside America we can all see what an extraordinarily good candidate Obama is, and what an appalling choice John McCain is (if we could vote he would get something like 75% of the votes). This isnt even like John Kerry and George Bush. Its the choice between possibility, imagination, redemption and social and financial competence, and deception, stagnation and contempt for the good sense of your citizens.
Perhaps it would be good to consider the source for your information. If you keep getting bad readings, perhaps you should check the instrument taking the readings.
America used to stand for something enviable, something you had to go to America to get, and right now it doesnt. It could again but its not going to because youre going to elect John McCain and youre going to fuck it all up for everybody and for the rest of us, and probably for good.
I'll take it over most other places. I wish we would realize that Canada can be smart enough to socialize medicine and also drill and utilize every natural resource they have available to them. Here in the U.S. a lot of good possibilities get tossed due to extremism be it environmental or societal. I'm thinking the boomers dying will take care of a good chunk of this though.
I know its not really your fault. It looks like nothing short of a revolution against your domestic sources of information and whatnot is going to be required.
Its just that I was depressed last time but I knew things would be OK in four years because it would become so abundantly clear what a mistake had been made that it couldnt possibly happen again and that we still had some time to save the planet, basically.
Perhaps some perspective would help with those feelings. We aren't suffering the black plague nor are we having wars across the world or continent. One of the chief complaints about wars now is how easy it has become to ignore them. That is one of my big complaints with conservatives and taxes. When 40-45% of the entire population are off the tax rolls, how can a tax increase or cut really help or scare them? Put everyone back on and watch the interest rise again.
But its happening again, only worse this time, because John McCains really an older version of George Bush only with a worse temper and Barack Obamas a far, far better candidate than John Kerry,
Im depressed. How the fuck can this be happening?
Perhaps you could check your conclusions. I'm not calling you a liar, but I haven't seen Obama be that great of a candidate. He plans occasional big events that get the cable news channels excited but at the end of the day he hasn't said more nor done more than a sitcom in my view. That view can be wrong, but as you note, why the constant bewilderment about why reality doesn't seem to jibe with the "facts."
Everybody seems to claim ownership of certain facts in this day and age. They spend a lot of time claiming themselves truthful and someone else a liar due to their absolute certainty about their "facts" and the belief that they are incontrovertably true. Yet reality seems to disconnect from their facts. I don't have to label them but I would ask them to re-examine why this is so.
I don't consider McCain any sort of great candidate. If he were I think he would have put Obama away long ago even given the media storm and political climate. Obama really isn't that good of a candidate either hence the muddle. McCain has strung together enough good decisions and efforts to earn my vote but that endorsement came very late and it is still the lesser of two evils for sure. I don't know for sure that he will win and certainly consider the election Obama's to still lose. Until the generic vote is closer and until the Republicans truly offer up a better platform I don't see them performing much better than they are now.
The Republicans have gotten better at launching criticisms at Democrats and the Democratic ability to nationalize criticisms is part of what helped them win in 2006. However nobody is giving off a good unifying message and plan of action that people can easily understand and support. The Republicans are almost there with energy. If they truly tossed some of the older leadership and added good budgeting back into the mix they would be back strong.
The next big events in the chain are the debates. I still suspect McCain and Palin will do better than Obama and Biden. Obama doesn't really seem to venture into areas where his viewpoints are challenged. I think that will be telling at the debates. We've all seen McCain willing to go on The View, Letterman, Ellen, CBSNews, all sort of places where his views aren't just challenged, but where he is literally confronted about them. He won't be rattled.
Palin, I think by then will still be full of energy and will have grown stronger from each interview, I mean media attack. The media enables the Democrats by protecting them, but when push really comes to shove, the Democrats can't cross the line because there is something that is gained by having to engage in the attacks. Just my view, of course and we will see how the chips fall.