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The free market is now a wholly owned subsidiary of the US government. So much for small government. Every man woman and child owns shares in FAILED companies. Every US taxpayer owes more than most of them will make in 5 years.
This is a result of a FREE FOR ALL and not of freedom.

Republican anti regulatory stance has mostly caused this. Fascism has failed in Germany and it fails (luckily) in the US. It very much looks that soft socialism is a far better choice than soft fascism.

I am in the 5% that will be taxed higher by Obama (I support his campaign to the max allowed). I am willing to pay for new bridges, roads, health care and education and I am willing to pay for our troops to come home. I have 6 employees who get bonuses for a job well done. I run all my businesses on my own energy and we have a small fleet of Priuses. I believe these choices have kept us in the money.

I am not willing to pay for the mistakes of idiots and Seriously Dimwitted Whackos that are clueless. A lot like that roommate who never pays the rent.

How about you?


PS: I regret to admit that I have to come to HATE Republicans. I hope I can get over this in the future.
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You forgot Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is one of the lone voices of truth in the Congress. But don't worry, his message is getting out and in turn many young people are learning from him and will be Congressmen and women someday.

That is if there is still a United States.

We are in trouble.
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The free market is now a wholly owned subsidiary of the US government.

Not really. This statement discloses a misunderstanding of what "free market" means. Hint: It has nothing to with the government (with the possible exception of protection of individual freedom and property).


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This is a result of a FREE FOR ALL and not of freedom.

If by "free for all" you mean a government free for all, then yes. And yes, it doesn't have much to do with real freedom. Of course you should realize that this is merely logical culmination of increasing amounts of both socialist and fascist principles applied to the federal government which began in earnest with FDR.


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Republican anti regulatory stance has mostly caused this.

Huh?




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It very much looks that soft socialism is a far better choice than soft fascism.

Perhaps, but that's simply a choice of the lesser of two evils. Freedom is better than both of those options.


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I am not willing to pay for the mistakes of idiots and Seriously Dimwitted Whackos that are clueless. A lot like that roommate who never pays the rent.

So long as you support big government, this will be the result. Sorry to break it to you.


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How about you?

I favor significantly smaller government than we have now. I favor moving to a military "doctrine" of armed neutrality. I oppose any and all redistributive tax systems. I oppose the government piling up tons of debt. I oppose the government's ability to turn the currency in to worthless scrap paper through its fiat monetary schemes. I oppose government protected cartels (like the Federal Reserve) and other government sponsored monopolies and protectionism. I favor complete free and open trade. I favor privatization of all things that can be reasonably privatized (this certainly includes, but is not limited to, education and health care...it might also include roads, bridges and other infrastructure). I favor allowing people to make private choices with their own money. I oppose progressive taxation. I hate government bailouts.


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PS: I regret to admit that I have to come to HATE Republicans. I hope I can get over this in the future.

I hate them too. I also hate the Democrats. I'm a bipartisan hater. I doubt I'll get over it.
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The term "Free Market" = When rich guys say, "while we are making money, we want no interference, rules or regulations, but when things go apeshit, we need taxpayers money to save our companies"
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The term "Free Market" = When rich guys say, "while we are making money, we want no interference, rules or regulations, but when things go apeshit, we need taxpayers money to save our companies"

{Ad hom removed} The free market allows people (and businesses) to fail and doesn't bail them out with money stolen from other people.

Don't blame this shit on the "free market". That is simply wrong. This is all so not free-market is nuts. This is socialism+fascism (in varying degrees or proportions of each).
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The real issue is more regulated or less regulated markets. Free Market is a meaningless term. There is no market in the world even close to being 'free' and/or unregulated.
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So what would happen if there was absolutely no government or outside intervention, and all the banks were allowed to fail?

*Investors, customers and managers of banks would be more careful in the future.

What do you think would happen?


*It is important to realize that "banks" as we know them today would be very different entities without a fiat monetary system. In particular fractional reserve (fraudulent) banking would be illegal and quite untenable on any kind of large scale (as it is today). In the baking system we have today most people don't realize that all banks are basically, technically insolvent (due to the fractional reserve banking system). The only reason they don't all fail is because a) people haven't run on them (yet) and b) the federal government has promised to bail them out (by printing money) if they get into trouble for their reckless management.
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The real issue is more regulated or less regulated markets. Free Market is a meaningless term. There is no market in the world even close to being 'free' and/or unregulated.

That is a non sequitur. Just because "There is no market in the world even close to being 'free' and/or unregulated" does not mean (at all) that "Free Market is a meaningless term". That's simply untrue.
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One more thing.

If (and I really mean 'if') this financial problem resolves itself with any kind of normailty, what and when can the public, or average Joe, expect any kind of return for bailing out the private sector.

More than likely, what now belongs to the public (ok i know it doesn't), will be sold off cheaply to the very private sector it rescued - and they will make even more money (ie privatized profits, socialized losses) and Joe Public will lose out again.

After losing their houses and jobs to pay for the bail out.

We should at least be invited to stockholder meetings.
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If (and I really mean 'if') this financial problem resolves itself with any kind of normailty, what and when can the public, or average Joe, expect any kind of return for bailing out the private sector.

None.


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More than likely, what now belongs to the public (ok i know it doesn't), will be sold off cheaply to the very private sector it rescued - and they will make even more money (ie privatized profits, socialized losses) and Joe Public will lose out again.

After losing their houses and jobs to pay for the bail out.

Yep.
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I agree, and infact IMO, if that had happened, this crisis would now be coming to an end - though I think that what is going to transpire over the next 5 years would have happened very sharply last year.

However I do not for one moment think that this happened by anything other than design. It is simply a manufactured way for an unprecedented transfer of wealth to the already wealthy.

I'm of mixed feelings about design/plan/conspiracy vs. incompetence and lucky outcome (for the wealthy). Might be a bit of both.
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And that statement discloses your misunderstanding of the free market. The free market allows people (and businesses) to fail and doesn't bail them out with money stolen from other people.

Don't blame this shit on the "free market". That is simply wrong. This is all so not free-market is nuts. This is socialism+fascism (in varying degrees or proportions of each).

In this "free market" system, a number of banks became so highly leveraged that they were guaranteed to fail, and so large that their failure would have dragged us into an economic cesspool that it would have taken us a decade or longer to get out of.

We need regulation for investment banks that mirrors our regulation for commercial banks, so that they can't set up this same situation in the future. If the people that took the risks were the only ones hurt, then I would agree with you, but that isn't the case.
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We should at least be invited to stockholder meetings.

They are called elections. Much like a corporation the shareholder (taxpayer) has a voice as to who leads.

Unfortunately we are not allowed to sell our stocks and basically Bush is using our money to buy very expensive NOTHING.

Again it comes to Karl Marx: "History repeats itself............" (Damm those french guys, especially when they are right)

I am only invested in energy producing hardware, not stocks. The best thing I have ever done. The wind makes money for me not some Wallstreet Greediot.
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In this "free market" system, a number of banks became so highly leveraged that they were guaranteed to fail, and so large that their failure would have dragged us into an economic cesspool that it would have taken us a decade or longer to get out of.

I believe you are wrong, but I welcome your attempt to move your argument beyond non sequitur status that is currently is.


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If the people that took the risks were the only ones hurt, then I would agree with you, but that isn't the case.

And it isn't the case because the government keeps bailing them out. So that's the first thing to stop.
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They are called elections. Much like a corporation the shareholder (taxpayer) has a voice as to who leads.

Unfortunately we are not allowed to sell our stocks and basically Bush is using our money to buy very expensive NOTHING.

The big difference though is that if the Chairman and board won't listen to you, you can quickly and easily sell your stock. Not so in the current situation. We're stuck. No choice at all.


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Again it comes to Karl Marx: "History repeats itself............" (Damm those french guys, especially when they are right)

I thought Karl was German.
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Republican anti regulatory stance has mostly caused this. .

You're flat wrong. Your above statement is an Obama talking point...
Which party has for years advocated greater oversight and limits on Fannie and Freddie?
Which party has consistently advocated expanding these quasi-governmental organizations?

Harold Raines works for McCain? Jim Johnson too?

Please read this story with Democratic operative, and Fannie VP, Jamie Gorelick.... Hopefully this will clear up the misconceptions revealed in your post. The genesis of this nightmare? Here you go, all spelled out.

Every time the GOP TRIED to get a handle on Fannie and Freddie, the leftist Dems screamed about "hating the poor."
To say that Republicans so-called "anti-regulatory stance" cause this is complete and total bovine scatology.
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I thought Karl was German.



Karl probably agreed with you.
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Apparently then, it isn't the GOP that believes in free-market principles, and is infact operating under guise of communism - which they achieved on an unprecedented scale over the last month.

REPUBLICANS = COMMUNISM (in disguise - preaching that communism is teh-evil™)

WTF are you talking about? Communism? Really?
Advocating better government oversight of an organization that is quasi-governmental in the first place is not communism. How silly. "Under guise of communism..."

What exactly would you propose that the Administration do?
What about our Democratic Congress, what would you have Madame Speaker do?
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WTF are you talking about? Communism? Really?
Advocating better government oversight of an organization that is quasi-governmental in the first place is not communism. How silly. "Under guise of communism..."

What exactly would you propose that the Administration do?
What about our Democratic Congress, what would you have Madame Speaker do?

I'd propose they privatize it (completely) and not guarantee any bailout. Then the "oversight of an organization that is quasi-governmental" grayness goes away. It was the implicit bailout (not to mention other goodies the government gave Fannie/Freddie) that let to their issues. Which, of course, trickled through the rest of the mortgage lending sector.

This is a government failure not a market failure.
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So how much is this socialized bailout going to cost the taxpayer ultimately?

Hundreds of billions of dollars. At least. A trillion dollars (or more). Maybe.

What sort of return can the taxpayers expect to see from this goobermint bailout of private industries?

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Fuck GWB's goobermint.

GWB certified Worst President Ever (WPE).

I want to see revised 2008 and 2009 estimates of federal receipts from The Worst Deficit Spender Ever (TWDSE) Office of (mis) Management and Budget (deficits). And I want to see revised estimates for the next 4 or 9 out years (2010-2013 or 2010-2018) from either the pukes at OmMBd or CBdO.

TYVM
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One more thing.

If (and I really mean 'if') this financial problem resolves itself with any kind of normailty, what and when can the public, or average Joe, expect any kind of return for bailing out the private sector.

More than likely, what now belongs to the public (ok i know it doesn't), will be sold off cheaply to the very private sector it rescued - and they will make even more money (ie privatized profits, socialized losses) and Joe Public will lose out again.

After losing their houses and jobs to pay for the bail out.

If you read everything that's going on ... what's going to happen is that the US is going to buy a lot of paper that the market doesn't know how to value right now. They are not going to pay list price for it. So the banks will take a loss. That paper could actually be worth something. If the housing market comes back and banks understand the value of the MBS and what not the US could sell them back into the market at a profit. OR it could go the other way?

The AIG loan is a two year loan. I'm going to guess that the US wants to sell the dicey paper back into the market in 5 years. Dust their hands off and walk away. That's what happened with the RTC.

Right now everyone is so freaked out about this dicey paper out there that banks wont loan money to each other. This is pushing up the short term loan rate that small business rely on to do business. So they have to get the bad paper out of there or the economy could die. Watch the GDP sink!

But that's what I read and hear.
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Sadly, this little trillion dollar bail-out is just a fraction of the money wasted on the war on 'weapons-that-dont-exist'

I wonder what the return on "WTDE" will be?

Thats Faith-based-politics for you.

The price we pay for electing people that have hotlines to God, believe in Creationism, and think that Jesus is holding their hand as they sign the war-order.

(So with that in mind, why dont we all vote for McCain/Palin!)

You have to admit though, that as far as self-fulfilling prophecies go, the Christian Wingers have done a remarkable job in bringing around the day of judgement. No doubt this is their tribulation...I wonder whats going on at Rapture-ready these days?

If only they could turn their Obama-Messiah thing around into Obama-the ANTICHRIST, they'd sure be on a winner.

Well according to CBO the fake WOT has so far run up $858 billion in debt (FY2009 isn't fully funded yet and will very likely need an additional $100+ billion). So GWB gave us all the trillion dollar (and growing) fake war, expect McCain to add a few trillion to that "fake war" if elected.

Fuck the Republicans and fuck the conservatives.
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You're flat wrong. Your above statement is an Obama talking point... but it's completely dishonest.
Which party has for years advocated greater oversight and limits on Fannie and Freddie?
Which party has consistently advocated expanding these quasi-governmental organizations?

Harold Raines works for McCain? Jim Johnson too?

Please read this story with Democratic operative, and Fannie VP, Jamie Gorelick.... Hopefully this will clear up the misconceptions revealed in your post. The genesis of this nightmare? Here you go, all spelled out.

Every time the GOP TRIED to get a handle on Fannie and Freddie, the leftist Dems screamed about "hating the poor."
To say that Republicans so-called "anti-regulatory stance" cause this is complete and total bovine scatology.

Ah, it's Clinton's fault in your all spelled out link.
according to this story, Clinton just made it to hard (regulations) to get low income people into their own homes and forced the lenders to lower standards.
It's all that fucker Clinton's fault.

I suppose Gramm was on a mission from god huh?
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McCain's former economic adviser is ex-Texas Sen. Phil Gramm. On Dec. 15, 2000, hours before Congress was to leave for Christmas recess, Gramm had a 262-page amendment slipped into the appropriations bill. It forbade federal agencies to regulate the financial derivatives that greased the skids for passing along risky mortgage-backed securities to investors.

There you go, the tough regulations lightened on those poor lenders and made life good again.

Kinda makes me wonder when these so called bad loans were made, during Clinton's reign or more recent.
A question for the ages I suppose.

Almost forgot, a speech the esteemed George W gave almost 2 years later,
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And so, therefore, I've called -- yesterday, I called upon the private sector to help us and help the home buyers. We need more capital in the private markets for first-time, low-income buyers. And I'm proud to report that Fannie Mae has heard the call and, as I understand, it's about $440 billion over a period of time. They've used their influence to create that much capital available for the type of home buyer we're talking about here. It's in their charter; it now needs to be implemented. Freddie Mac is interested in helping. I appreciate both of those agencies providing the underpinnings of good capital.

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And part of the cornerstone of America is the ability for somebody, regardless of where they're from, regardless of where they were born, to say, this is my home; I own this home, it is my piece of property, it is my part of the American experience. It is essential that we stay focused on the goal, and work hard to achieve that goal. And when it's all said and done,

We can look back and say, because of my work, because of our collective work, America is a better place. Out of evil came incredible good.

So yeah, all Clinton's fault, Republicans' hands are clean.
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Its kind of interesting dont you think,

that suddenly there are Trillions of dollars available on the table

Well, when you own the printing press it's not all that hard.
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Every time the GOP TRIED to get a handle on Fannie and Freddie, the leftist Dems screamed about "hating the poor."
To say that Republicans so-called "anti-regulatory stance" cause this is complete and total bovine scatology.

So the GOP had congress, and the presidency for 6 years but still were unable to get this done...?

It takes a lot of believing to be a Republican, knowing makes you a Democrat.
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How Right he was.

What no-one has been able to achieve in the entire history of the United States, has been achieved by a couple of unelected, shadowy characters running the show.

America just fell and surrendered without a single shot being fired. (And the big distraction that allowed this to happen was a couple of planes hitting a couple of towers)

Amazing.

Osama bin Laden, the most influential person of all time. He knows how to spot a sucker (GWB) from (literally) 10,000 miles away.
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After all,

If this magical Trillion Dollars was given to the people who couldn't keep up the repayments on their houses...

There would not be these dodgy bits of paper.
People would not be losing their houses
People would not be losing their jobs
The banks would be saved
The Economy would not be tanking.

And you think these people are really looking out for us?

You think that any political party represents your interests?

You think this isn't happening by [b]design[/i]

Whether it is by design or incompetence is probably irrelevant. What I do know is that the fundamental root cause is that we've allowed (sometimes passively, sometimes actively but almost never reluctantly) the government to have the power to do it.

Time for someone to come along and claim that "But if control of the government were in the right hands..." Right. Whatever.
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You forgot Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is one of the lone voices of truth in the Congress. But don't worry, his message is getting out and in turn many young people are learning from him and will be Congressmen and women someday.

That is if there is still a United States.

We are in trouble.

capitalism works, its dysfunctional when business wishing to eliminate or shield itself from competition colludes with government to pervert policy.....pay off the politicians with our money to build power for the company and select corrupt politicians who want more power ...that is our present government. government policies to serve a few hurts many we need an a vigilant people and where is the media which should be our helper and "watchdog" again collusion on the part of the media to be part of the power elite, at our cost government and media, have sold us out.
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capitalism works, its dysfunctional when business wishing to eliminate or shield itself from competition colludes with government to pervert policy.....pay off the politicians with our money to build power for the company and select corrupt politicians who want more power ...that is our present government. government policies to serve a few hurts many

Bingo! You sir deserve a cookie.
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well, SDW, I understand you can get into alot of trouble if you post after having been banned... Just a passing thought!

But on-topic, in regards to the dicey paper, yes eventually it will be worth something (and they all know this - This is why I think this has been planned - Its the biggest Land/property grab in history) - the FED (which is NOT the US (ie, the people or the government) as you state) and the banks holding on to it - will own a vast amount of property and land - especially after we have slipped into depression - and they got it all for FREE - which is something that alot of very prominent figures warned against which I made a list of at the top of this thread.

Not exactly. The fed is a private/public bank(s) created by and act of congress where the board of governors are appointed by the president. The Fed is the US for all intents and purposes.

You might enjoy reading up on the current crisis and the federal banking system since you have an interest in it.
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whether its by design or incompetance is highly relavent.

If my car drives off a cliff and its an accident because the brakes failed, we can all be sad (im hoping ), and maybe in the future others would learn to maintain their cars..

If however I drove off a cliff because my brake line was sabotaged...

Thats a whole different ball game.

Let's use (and tweak) your analogy:

Cause A: Someone attempting to design or fix the brakes screws it up.
Cause B: Someone maliciously disables the breaks.

Result: Car drives off cliff (no matter the cause the result is the same)

What I'm saying is that the real root cause here was that you let someone near your brakes who doesn't really care about you, who doesn't really have a stake in the outcome of your braking situation, someone who, if they fail due to incompetence (or maliciousness) in "fixing" your brakes will argue that it's because you didn't give them enough money or control (e.g., to "fix" the whole car) to do the job right.
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Let's use (and tweak) your analogy:

Cause A: Someone attempting to design or fix the brakes screws it up.
Cause B: Someone maliciously disables the breaks.

Result: Car drives off cliff (no matter the cause the result is the same)

What I'm saying is that the real root cause here was that you let someone near your brakes who doesn't really care about you, who doesn't really have a stake in the outcome of your braking situation, someone who, if they fail due to incompetence (or maliciousness) in "fixing" your brakes will argue that it's because you didn't give them enough money or control (e.g., to "fix" the whole car) to do the job right.

Narrator: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
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Narrator: A major one.
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Narrator: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
Business woman on plane: Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?
Narrator: You wouldn't believe.
Business woman on plane: Which car company do you work for?
Narrator: A major one.

The Ford Pinto huh?
No, that was a faulty fuel tank, I think.

I give up, what company and car.
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Its the gopmobile

It's always politics with you fuckers.

Friendly banter, bound to edited.
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At least there is now no doubt whatsoever as to the identities of the real welfare queens.

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The Ford Pinto huh?
No, that was a faulty fuel tank, I think.

I give up, what company and car.

It's a quote from Fight Club, I believe. Some lady conversing with Tyler Durden on a plane.
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When will Bush's stimulus package $ 600.- checks from the IRS kick in?

I thought that solved the problem!

I didn't get a check, have you?
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oh come on, this is a political thread in a political forum! No offence taken

We'll see if anyone takes offense, by the way, call me what you will, I can take it, some here can't, result, HARD moderation.
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capitalism works, its dysfunctional when business wishing to eliminate or shield itself from competition colludes with government to pervert policy.....pay off the politicians with our money to build power for the company and select corrupt politicians who want more power ...that is our present government. government policies to serve a few hurts many we need an a vigilant people and where is the media which should be our helper and "watchdog" again collusion on the part of the media to be part of the power elite, at our cost government and media, have sold us out.

Don't know what the heck you are saying above and all in one breath even.

Cue up Alex Jones neocons piracy tin foil hat dogma ...

Blame the media? No.

Blame the taxpayer? No.

Blame the goobermint? Yes, the GWB goobermint, that is.

Blame the corporations and capitalists? Yes.

Ba Ha Ha Ha Ha ...
Every eye fixed itself upon him; with parted lips and bated breath the audience hung upon his words, taking no note of time, rapt in the ghastly fascinations of the tale. NOT!
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It's a quote from Fight Club, I believe. Some lady conversing with Tyler Durden on a plane.

Probably right, but the Pinto was notorious as one of the most dangerous cars made when getting into a rear ender. Crash is what's meant.
http://www.time.com/time/specials/20...657866,00.html

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The Pinto is at the end of one of autodom's most notorious paper trails, the Ford Pinto memo , which ruthlessly calculates the cost of reinforcing the rear end ($121 million) versus the potential payout to victims ($50 million). Conclusion? Let 'em burn.

For eight years they built this coffin on wheels, and people still bought them.
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