VP Debate: Will Palin Be Coherent? - Page 4

Some time ago, Obama didn't wear a flag pin and the conservatives made a big fuss over it.

At the P debate, McCain didn't wear one, but nobody has said anything.

Palin turned up wearing a huge pin.


Tina Fey will likely wear a pin large enough to require a crutch to support her!

I think the singular issue which more than any other issue during this race which has driven or motivated my vote is the one of foreign policy.

I believe Obama - Biden are more in keeping with my views and that the republican party has entangled itself with failed policies in more areas than simply foreign policy but foreign policy being the key failure which has in part led to other failures of this party.

I simply cannot support this party.

So to answer your question,,, YES.

Fellows

Obama - Biden 08

It would have been awesome if you said all of that... but then at the last minute added "but Obama wants to leave abortion survivors to die on the table... so McCain/Palin 08 baby!"

Yea!!!!!!!!!Good choice!

This is what I'm hoping to see. Everytime someone seems like they're on the line about voting I tell them to look around. Do you like what you see? Now think about who's been running the show for 8 long years. " But they say it was someone elses fault ". Then I say well that means they're incompetent and can't do their job if they let someone else run the country.

There has to be accountability.

Now consider how McCain has voted 90% of the time in the past. Do you really think he's changed? Do you really think he's about change? The obvious answer is that his record speaks for itself! The choice here really isn't the same. The democrats aren't perfect but they're lightyears ahead of the other side. Do you really think the country can take 4 more years of Bush like of leadership?

There is no other choice right now. Like Joe Biden said in the recent debate " This is the most important election you will ever vote on in your lifetime! "

The time has come to back out of this fucked up mess. I don't really think we'll get a second shot. Not in our lifetimes because it's not going to clean up over night. Time to take out the trash and get started on cleaning this mess up.

It's a holocaust, dude. I just can't vote for this ticket. Write in BUSH/CHENEY 4 EVAH!

Ha ha!! I knew you'd change your mind again.

Was anyone bothered by Bidens complete nonsense about Hizballah? WTF was he talking about "move NATO forces in" and then what's this bullshit about PA elections?

Considering he's chairman of the foreign service committee you'd think he'd know a little something about Hizballah in Lebanon?


This clearly calls into question Obama's judgement in vetting a VP candidate. One has to wonder if he's fit to lead given this bad judgement.

What is up with all of the low information conservative voters out there?

I don't know whether I should be more frieghtened of them or the racists.

How ironic that my question comes after FloorJack's post to which it wasn't refering?

Scott, do you not remember Israel invading Lebanon? Do you not remember that the end of that conflict was met by a resurgence of Hezballah in Lebanese politics? That the more secular/Christian political parties suffered defeat. That there was a small civil war fought for a while?

Does none of this ring a bell?

Biden was proposing to place nato forces in the southern region of Lebanon to do two things. 1) secure the border area so Israel would not be tempted to invade again and 2) stabilize the secular government. This didn't happen. Now we have yet another Iranian back government in the middle east.

I don't understand how people at all interested in this nation's future cannot recall these simple failures of the bush administration.

I really don't see the upside of trying to play at "Biden is so incoherent, LOL, see how I turn your words back on you."

For that to work there has to be some kind of rough equivalency that doesn't make the non-comatose laugh.

You'd have more luck trying to convince us we only like Biden because we're fantasizing about fucking him.

I'm just pointing out the bald faced hypocrisy of the members here. Biden contends that the US and France pushed Hizbollah out of Lebanon and then Biden and Obama called for NATO to move troops in?


WTF is this Ken Doll talking about? When did the US and France kick Hizbollah out of Lebanon and when did he and Obama call for NATO to move in? How exactly were they going to get NATO to go into Lebanon?

Biden's incoherent ramblings are [fill in the blank].

He was wrong about France kicking Hezbollah out. So what?

He was absolutely correct in saying that there were calls to put nato forces on the ground.

The fact that you don't recognize that the primary thing he was talking about was absolutely true AND was a criticism of Bush's policies (which was the question at hand) has nothing to do with the fact that he was right.

To answer your strangely irrelevant rhetorical question with my own rhetorical question: How the hell did we get NATO into the Balkans?

I don't know, musta been a miracle.

Also when did he call for the PA not to have an election because Hamas would legitimized? Was this a private conversation? Since when is Obama worried about legitimizing rouge regimes?

Rouge regimes?

"Look out! They're coming ta get ya!"

Find me a link from 2006 that indicates Biden and Obama calling for nato into lebanon. Let's assume for second that The Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee meant Syria when he said Hizbollah, how is it exactly that the US and France kicked them out?

This gaffe combined with the clean coal gaffe and the TV depression era thing makes it clear that Biden makes it up as he goes along. He'll say whatever sounds good in the moment to get a vote. True or untrue. Is he fit to lead?

Yeah. Good luck selling that.

Don't worry. The Tankers wont print this story. Maybe we should look for pictures of Palin looking like a monkey?

Love it. You guys keep running against "the media." You can rely on Limbaugh, Fox, and Michelle Malkin to get the word out.

Of course, that means you're only talking to yourselves and you'll never win another election, but doesn't it feel great to circle the wagons and rail against all the structural barriers to equality that stand between Christian white people and their day in the sun?

Meanwhile, the huge corporations that own all the major media outlets will continue to inexplicably root for the socialist, who will take all their money away.

Never could figure out this rational from the right.

Look. At least Biden knows the difference between the Civil War and recent conflicts.

The right seems intent on dumbing down their base, which in my opinion is pretty dumb already, with the, she/he is just like me bullshit, Bush as an eg.

And now, today Sarah Palin gave a speech about something most informed political types already know.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...FmOWE4OTZjZjk=

Turns out?
Now she remembers a newspaper she reads? Maybe.

Of course the article never implied this, but that doesn't matter, once she said it, it's the god's honest gospel.

What a fucking cunt, meant in the most generous term of course.

Desperation, let the smear campaign begin.

I can't wait for them to announce that they've just learned that Obama got a DUI.

As an aside: does it bug anyone else that Palin and Obama keep referring to people by their first names? Biden and McCain seem to generally allow them their titles.

Yeah. In Palin's case, I guess it's "folksy." I think Obama calls McCain "John" because he knows it bugs the shit out of him. In both cases it's a pretty unsubtle way of bringing your opponent down a notch, to the level dorm room bull session partner.

I'm all for bugging the shit out of John McCain, but anything but "Senator" grates, to my ear.

We all have our faults and I think it is clear what one of mine is

But have cheer because it is with great consideration that I waffle between all these politicians.

I really like to evaluate, re-evaluate, and yes you guessed it re-evaluate things and when I do sometimes I reposition or regroup.

It comes across badly but I can assure you this character flaw / strength (depending on how you see it) does me more good than bad as I see it.

I really like to try to see things from all perspectives and sometimes I have to nail down a list of priorities to sort out "what really matters".

I have made a clear observation that foreign policy is what drives my motives more than any other singular issue in this particular election.

I just personally believe that John McCain with all due respect, does not share the same views as I with regard to foreign policy. It seems that of both of the two viable tickets in this race I am more closely aligned with the Obama -Biden ticket than the McCain - Palin ticket.

With my apologies,

Fellows

I expected something about like this give or take...

With respect to Shawn's post sure it was a bit silly and creative.

With yours (and despite what you may think I love ya bro) I lose some of the love involved with the humor.

I will say that I will ALWAYS and without any wavering what so ever, champion the cause of life and the options of adoption and re-considered parenting by some who question their abilities to mother and / or father a child which may not be in the making at a seemingly opportune time for given situation facing said mother and / or father.

I don't think it is a silly cause to champion life and adoption. I don't think it is redneck. I do in fact believe it is the progressive thing to do.

Now I cannot by any means solve all the world's problems (let's be honest that is not my responsibility) nor do I fully realize every-single situation out there faced by pregnant women but,, I am not ashamed to work with sensitivity and a heavy heart to hope to influence a shift to the idea of life as opposed to abortion.

I am not sure laws are the levers to be pulling on to affect change in this matter. I do believe that love, support, understanding, sacrifice and investment in others are tools which oftentimes are underutilized and in their place we substitute convenience in far too many cases. I have to be very careful not to impose judgement upon others for their actions as I am just as much a fallible human being who is not perfect as well. Let's be for real around here. I am being serious.

My only desire is to be a force for good and I am fully aware that I am not always effective and or efficient at this goal but rest assured none the less I am fully committed to the cause of loving my neighbor, my community, my world and my lord and saviour.

With complete respect and consideration,

Fellows

Well, Tina didn't show up with a huge pin, but SNL's opening skit was great.

Didn't see it on SNL's site, but Huffington has it:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_131964.html

If, heaven forbid, Camp McCain gets elected (it's not actually John and Sara running, but the seemingly pathetic puppet masters), the one good thing will be SNL will have lots of material for several years. On the downside, we might not be here to see it.


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Will Sara appear on the Sunday morning shows this week?

My wife is watching the debate now (CNN had a simultaneous translation; we record everything so we can both watch and understand completely).

She is going crazy watching Palin.

Answer the darned question!
That's not the question!
Who cares about your opinion and story, how will you govern?

She had to take several breaks while watching because Palin was so irritating.
Her comments at the end:

Palin is a female dog, alright.
How in the heck can this woman even be seriously considered or even presented for consideration?
Are the Republicans completely out of the minds?
Is the US this screwed up?
Palin is an insult to any woman who has entered a beauty pageant; many can speak better.

Sure, my wife can't vote in the election, but she knows very well that a lot of the goings on in the world are strongly influenced by the US and who is in the WH. The possibility McCain and particularly Palin gaining office frightens her to death.

Her final comment:
Tina Fey would make a much better VP.

Once again brilliant! " There's a special place in heaven for Israel. "

"Since I was a young child, my two great loves have been Jews and Cuban food"

"and for all the Joe six-packs out there playing a drinking game.... Maverick."