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post #41 of 106
10/9/08 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

How many times do we have to go over this. Other vendors use the much thicker and cheaper tray-loading notebook drives, while the MacBook, 15" MacBook Pro and 20" iMac use 9.5mm slot-loading drives (which no evidence of a BRD of that size actually exists beyond Panasonic saying they are working on it); while the 17" MacBook Pro and 24" iMac use a 12.5mm slot-loading drive, which retails for $1000.

Yes, only a reader would be cheaper, but that is non-starter. Yes, Apple could move to a thicker case and use a tray-loading drive, but that ruins Apple's premium PC market for an overly expensive and unpopular option.

Yeah, a store like FastMac isn't designed to part Mac users with their money. That "FastMac" drive is actually a Panasonic UJ-225, and I guarantee you it doesn't cost a grand.
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post #42 of 106
10/9/08 at 9:00am
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Originally Posted by Walter Slocombe View Post

It's been interesting reading the opinions, but I put him on ignore LONG ago.

Good idea. Nothing gets accomplished by our convversations, anyway.

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Alu might be cool on the complete range, and hopefully lead to multiple colours, while I'm not sure about that idea working, it would be nice and would be another differentiator between Apple and everyone else.

I think colours would be a grande idea. Especially with the younger generation that Apple is attacking. In this economic crisis having a product that stands out more is a good idea (not that it's ever a bad idea). But would they change the colours every revision like the iPod Nano, or would they keep it the same for the next 3 years. If it's the latter, then they need to be sure these colours are going to work for that long. Being showy seems to be a flash in the pan selling point which may hurt sales down the road if it's considered stagnant.
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post #43 of 106
10/9/08 at 9:02am
It's great to see some redesign to the shape of the machine, but we haven't seen much innovation in the MBPro since they came out. I remember with the Powerbooks how apple took the lead in Bluetooth, Airport, backlit keyboards, etc. It seems that the MBPro has seen processor enhancements but no groundbreaking changes or feature additions that put it ahead of the PC competition. My two cents
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post #44 of 106
10/9/08 at 9:04am
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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow View Post

Yeah, a store like FastMac isn't designed to part Mac users with their money. That "FastMac" drive is actually a Panasonic UJ-225, and I guarantee you it doesn't cost a grand.

Of course it doesn't cost a grand, they need to make a profit. Considering it's a high-end item with low sales volume they will look for a higher margin per sale.

Knowing the drive type, It can be found on Google Shopping for as little as $550.
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post #45 of 106
10/9/08 at 9:04am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I never said plus or differential. I said it cost $1000 for a 12.7mm slot-loading BRD, and that no 9.5mm BRD was yet on the market. I am still waiting for you rationale as to how Apple will achieve this momentous feat of comparably priced BRD in 9.5mm form factor.

Such anger- the market must really have you down.

Show me the PC with the "$1000 for a 12.7mm slot-loading BRD" added to it vs it's non blu-ray counterpart -PLEEZ!!!!! How much is the diifferential - not $1,000! That claim is totally misleading that it's too expensive for a blu-ray drive.
I NEVER rationaled "as to how Apple will achieve this momentous feat of comparably priced BRD in 9.5mm form factor" - that's all your warped reasoning. All I said that began all of your tirades was that "Without blu-ray why bother adding a HDMI port"!
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post #46 of 106
10/9/08 at 9:04am
I hope they do do all the colours, would be pretty cool to have an orange macbook afterall they did make the ibook in a few colours!
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post #47 of 106
10/9/08 at 9:07am
Should we really be caring about tactile keyboard keys with the state of the economy? Will it matter if there is a black bezel on the MacBook Pro when the government takes over my bank? Is conservatism a gateway drug to communism? Where did I leave my keys? Why do I feel the urge to take that stress test at that table at Grand Central station? Why do I have the sudden urge- Wait. Where am I?
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post #48 of 106
10/9/08 at 9:09am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Good idea. Nothing gets accomplished by our convversations, anyway.


I think colours would be a grande idea. Especially with the younger generation that Apple is attacking. In this economic crisis having a product that stands out more is a good idea (not that it's ever a bad idea). But would they change the colours every revision like the iPod Nano, or would they keep it the same for the next 3 years. If it's the latter, then they need to be sure these colours are going to work for that long. Being showy seems to be a flash in the pan selling point which may hurt sales down the road if it's considered stagnant.

I'm not the only one on here that you can't understand with your "grande" reasonings.
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post #49 of 106
10/9/08 at 9:10am
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I understand some people prefer the current MBP keyboard, but I wonder how many would not by a new Mac because of the keyboard change.

Well some people seem to make a big deal about it , anyway a lot of people that used the new keyboard says that they prefer it more then the current MBP keyboard layout.

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I hope they do do all the colours, would be pretty cool to have an orange macbook afterall they did make the ibook in a few colours!

MacBook Chromatic? Well someone, start doing the mockups!!!!
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post #50 of 106
10/9/08 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Of course it doesn't cost a grand, they need to make a profit. .

Then why did you state that?
You're so full of BS- it's pathetic.

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I know this one... because Blu-ray is not the only way to get HD content, AND an internal Blu-ray drive costing $1000 extra ......
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post #51 of 106
10/9/08 at 9:12am
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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow View Post

I don't know where you people are getting that it'll be thicker. Looks to me like it will be exactly the same thickness as the current one, just with a little more rounding on the edges (and not much more, either).

The impression that it will be thicker is given by combining the two images. The first one shows a non rounded edge of about 12 mm, the second set shows a rounded edge of similar depth. Added together they produce a very thick laptop. The easier explanation is that one or the other image is wrong, or that they are from two different models of laptop.
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post #52 of 106
10/9/08 at 9:14am
Oh yea btw, October 14th event is CONFIRMED, so that means its likely we will see the new MB and MBP on October 14th, yippie
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post #53 of 106
10/9/08 at 9:16am
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Originally Posted by LoganHunter View Post

It will have ports on the opposite side, almost for sure on the MBP. We cant's see the express card port either so some ports should be added on the other side. The optical drive will stay on the front, i guess, as usual.

The express port is the port "most likely to be removed" however. It's use is limited and very un-Apple like. It may be that they have just decided to let it go into that long good night along with all the other ageing technologies.
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post #54 of 106
10/9/08 at 9:24am
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Originally Posted by wheelhot View Post

Oh yea btw, October 14th event is CONFIRMED, so that means its likely we will see the new MB and MBP on October 14th, yippie

Is it??? Where did you see that! Link it! I and/or everybody here really want to see that info from accurate sources!

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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

The express port is the port "most likely to be removed" however. It's use is limited and very un-Apple like. It may be that they have just decided to let it go into that long good night along with all the other ageing technologies.

Well... you have a point on that! Personally i'm not going to use the express port but someone might want to use it. However, that remotion makes sense because today everything can be used through a USB port
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post #55 of 106
10/9/08 at 9:28am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Without a blu-ray drive- why bother?

Teckstud you are a tedious dullard troll. 1 - People download media onto their laptops. 2 - they'd like to watch it on their big-screen TV. Get it?

If they want to watch Blu-Ray with 7.1 on their big TV they will get a dedicated player. There is no need for it to be portable because the TV is BIG. Laptops play DVDs currently, but have you ever heard of anyone relying on their laptop as their primary DVD player when they went to the trouble of installing a surround sound system?

I'm not saying Apple would never include Blu-Ray, but until then their are plenty of reasons to "bother" without it.

Having said that, I think mini-DVI plus optical is fine.
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post #56 of 106
10/9/08 at 9:29am
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Originally Posted by JonathanC View Post

If Apple no longer makes a portable with a common sense, ergonomic keyboard, then I'm simply not using Apple portables anymore.

That's a bit harsh! When I first played with Macbooks in an Apple store I was kind of meh about the keyboard. But now I have owned one for about a year, I can truely say I love the Macbook keyboard. My "full travel" keyboards on my other computers nw drive me batty and I do not press the keys in far enough these days and typing on a "normal" keyboard just seems like too much effort.

Granted I have not typed on the current Macbook Pro keyboard, but the current Macbook keyboard is not bad...
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post #57 of 106
10/9/08 at 9:29am
The symbol to left of the hole between USB and audio looks though it's quite blurry like the one of the DVI-port on my MBP. So it's a display port, but which ? No current one fits the size...
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post #58 of 106
10/9/08 at 9:31am
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Originally Posted by wheelhot View Post

Oh yea btw, October 14th event is CONFIRMED, so that means its likely we will see the new MB and MBP on October 14th, yippie

That is great news! Just one thing, where did you get this confirmation? I have been looking at all the web site (AppleInsider, Mac Rumors, etc.) and have found nothing about confirmation. Any additional info would be awesome.

edit: I now feel pretty stupid, seeing as how 5 seconds after I posted this I double-checked and saw the announcement. Oh well.
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post #59 of 106
10/9/08 at 9:38am
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Originally Posted by alfrank View Post

The symbol to left of the hole between USB and audio looks though it's quite blurry like the one of the DVI-port on my MBP. So it's a display port, but which ? No current one fits the size...

As another posters pointed out, I think a 4-pin 1394a port is the closest to the hole in the case.




Mini-DVI is similair, and Apple has put it between the USB and mic ports on PowerBooks, but the bottom of the hole should be more rounded at the bottom.

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post #60 of 106
10/9/08 at 9:54am
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As another posters pointed out, I think a 4-pin 1394a port is the closest to the hole in the case.




Mini-DVI is similair, and Apple has put it between the USB and mic ports on PowerBooks, but the bottom of the hole should be more rounded at the bottom.


Really? Which powerbook? I have the last PB and the one before that and neither have that mini-dvi port. These machines have a full sized dvi port with s-video. I think it would be safe to say the mini-dvi port was not even around at the time the powerbooks shipped. Apple dropped the s-video when the first round of mbp's hit the street but they retained the full sized dvi port.

From left to right in that macbook shot the ports look like, magsafe, ethernet, 2 usb and most likely 4 pin FW def no video port on this side. I doubt the macbook will have video out port. Perhaps if we are lucky there will be a DisplayPort on the the side close to the back. Would be madness to use anything else than a DisplayPort.
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post #61 of 106
10/9/08 at 9:57am
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Really? Which powerbook? I have the last PB and the one before that and neither have that mini-dvi port. These machines have a full sized dvi port with s-video. I think it would be safe to say the mini-dvi port was not even around at the time the powerbooks shipped. Apple dropped the s-video when the first round of mbp's hit the street but they retained the full sized dvi port.

That looks like a 12" PB in the pic I posted.

edit: According to MacTracker, the 1.25GHz G4 was the first 12" PB to get a mini-DVI port.
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post #62 of 106
10/9/08 at 10:01am
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From left to right in that macbook shot the ports look like, magsafe, ethernet, 2 usb and most likely 4 pin FW def no video port on this side. I doubt the macbook will have video out port. Perhaps if we are lucky there will be a DisplayPort on the the side close to the back. Would be madness to use anything else than a DisplayPort.

Why would you doubt the MacBooks will have video out? The current ones do, as does the smaller and port-deprived MB Air, so there is no reason to believe the new ones won't.
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post #63 of 106
10/9/08 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

That looks like a 12" PB in the pic I posted.

I currently own a 12" PB and that is how the ports are configured on the left side. Just to clarify and confirm for everybody. Oct 14th!! Can't wait!!
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post #64 of 106
10/9/08 at 10:02am
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I hope they do do all the colours, would be pretty cool to have an orange macbook afterall they did make the ibook in a few colours!

that would be awesome

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post #65 of 106
10/9/08 at 10:03am
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As another posters pointed out, I think a 4-pin 1394a port is the closest to the hole in the case.

Mini-DVI is similair, and Apple has put it between the USB and mic ports on PowerBooks, but the bottom of the hole should be more rounded at the bottom.

I believe that it would be either a 4-pin 1394a port or maybe a micro-DVI port (just like the MBA).

I am still not convinced that this photo is for a MacBook Pro (ExpressCard slot?). To me it looks more like an arrangement for a MacBook (non Pro), but the speaker holes would make it a 15" model.

DisplayPort, Ethernet, USB, USB, 4-pin FW400, audio, audio
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Ethernet, 9-pin FW800, USB, USB, micro-DVI, audio, audio
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post #66 of 106
10/9/08 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by hittrj01 View Post

Why would you doubt the MacBooks will have video out? The current ones do, as does the smaller and port-deprived MB Air, so there is no reason to believe the new ones won't.

By looking at that pic and my list of ports i dont see where video is included on that side. tho there is a bit of the pic missing at the top left. Also i did say that if it isnt in this side then perhaps it is on the other side or they left it out completely which would be a shame. im sure we will see come tuesday
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post #67 of 106
10/9/08 at 10:13am
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I believe that it would be either a 4-pin 1394a port or maybe a micro-DVI port (just like the MBA).

I am still not convinced that this photo is for a MacBook Pro (ExpressCard slot?). To me it looks more like an arrangement for a MacBook (non Pro), but the speaker holes would make it a 15" model.

DisplayPort, Ethernet, USB, USB, 4-pin FW400, audio, audio
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Ethernet, 9-pin FW800, USB, USB, micro-DVI, audio, audio

The picture you are referring to is the MBP for sure, u can't see the expresscard because the image doesnt show the full side or the otherside.

ports

Magsafe, Ethernet, 9-pin FW800, USB, USB, dont know prolly 4 pin FW but why put the USB ports between the 9 pin i wonder if thats the arrangement, I dont see it matching anything else size wise def none of the display ports ive seen. id say video port is on the other side.
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post #68 of 106
10/9/08 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by mjteix View Post

I believe that it would be either a 4-pin 1394a port or maybe a micro-DVI port (just like the MBA).

Micro-DVI looks like a smaller USB port. I don't think there are any performance changes between Mini- and Micro-DVI, so this may be a better option as Apple goes thinner as there seems to be adequate lateral space.


USB (left), Micro-DVI (right)

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I am still not convinced that this photo is for a MacBook Pro (ExpressCard slot?). To me it looks more like an arrangement for a MacBook (non Pro), but the speaker holes would make it a 15" model.

It would seem it's either on the other side or that is a 15" MacBook, which wouldn't cost much more than the current MB at the same speed and offer the size that people want for their only/main PC.
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post #69 of 106
10/9/08 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Micro-DVI looks like a smaller USB port. I don't think there are any performance changes between Mini- and Micro-DVI, so this may be a better option as Apple goes thinner as there seems to be adequate lateral space.


USB (left), Micro-DVI (right)

Yeah i agree, the micro dvi does look very very close to a usb port. difficult to conclude exactly from those images due to the angle, shadows an clarity.

I will be disappointed if they do use a dvi variation on the MBP. DisplayPort will be used on all future computer displays an current cards are shipping with it now, it is the native port for internal display use, its small, high bandwidth, outputs audio, compatible with HDMI with adapter including the HDCP thing (not that im thrills me) and DVI.
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post #70 of 106
10/9/08 at 10:27am
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I understand some people prefer the current MBP keyboard, but I wonder how many would not by a new Mac because of the keyboard change.

About three.

It's really disappointing that the new laptops appear to include internal optical drives. That is so 20th century. Might as well include a 5.25" floppy drive as well. Seven months ago, I bought an external optical drive to go with my MacBook Air and have never had to use it.
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post #71 of 106
10/9/08 at 10:32am
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That's a 4 pin FireWire port. Having looked at both the MBP and the MB images, it seems like Apple is replacing the 6 pin IEEE1394a ports with 4 pin IEEE1394a ports.
(The current MBP line features a 9 pin 1394b and a 6 pin 1394a port, and the MB has only a 6 pin 1394a port.)
The difference between the 6 pin and the 4 pin 1394a ports are the different connector shape and the lack of power connections in the 4 pin version.
It is a pretty sad change for those like me who used the MB with FireWire cameras powered from the FireWire port. For us the only workaround is to buy an external FireWire power adapter (about 10 bucks). Additional hassle...
For those who used their FireWire ports only to connect their camcorders, the change will have no such consequences because camcorders have their own power supplies. They will only need to replace the cable.

I hope that's not the case, I'm looking to get a new macbook when they drop and need to power my lacie rugged drive with firewire. Lack of firewire power is huge to anyone that likes fast portable drives.
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post #72 of 106
10/9/08 at 10:33am
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I hope they add HDMI at least to make it easier to plug into a plasma/lcd tv.

Agreed I'm tired of non-standard dongles and connectors, hdmi isn't a big port.
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post #73 of 106
10/9/08 at 10:49am
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Teckstud you are a tedious dullard troll. 1 - People download media onto their laptops. 2 - they'd like to watch it on their big-screen TV. Get it?

If they want to watch Blu-Ray with 7.1 on their big TV they will get a dedicated player. There is no need for it to be portable because the TV is BIG. Laptops play DVDs currently, but have you ever heard of anyone relying on their laptop as their primary DVD player when they went to the trouble of installing a surround sound system?

I'm not saying Apple would never include Blu-Ray, but until then their are plenty of reasons to "bother" without it.

Having said that, I think mini-DVI plus optical is fine.

All of that BS just to agree with me at the end???
And I'm the tedious dullard troll?
Then you must be the VIllage IDIOT.
An HDMI on a laptop is nice but way down the totem pole of priority unless of course there is a blu-ray drive.
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post #74 of 106
10/9/08 at 10:53am
Is anyone else having trouble viewing the second photo on the article? its all blurred out like somebody went into paint and murdered it.
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10/9/08 at 11:02am
Sony is adopting the MacBook keyboard.

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post #76 of 106
10/9/08 at 11:03am
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Is anyone else having trouble viewing the second photo on the article? its all blurred out like somebody went into paint and murdered it.

The whole thing looks like it was shot on the moon in 1969.
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10/9/08 at 11:04am
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That figure seems way steep. How do the PC manufacturers include them if they cost that much?
PC's with blu-ray are simply not $1,000 more than the non-Blu-ray versions.
AND blu-ray is the only way to get HD video and 7.1 channel sound.

Wow!

I agree with you!
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10/9/08 at 11:06am
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That is one option that I rarely see compared when mentioning how a MacBook compares to other PCs, but once it's gone I'm sure we'll see a lot of complaining about it. I wonder if it's not used or if was just taken for granted.

PS: I have moved my external drives to USB because FW offered too issues which required resetting the plug or restarting the Mac.

Firewire only gives me problems with my cheapest enclosure, but I get the same kind of problems with my cheapest USB enclosure too. My cheapest eSATA enclosure causes problems, but my good ones run fine. I think Melgross talks about Apple's Firewire not being quite right, he said something about voltages not being right or something like that.

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It's really disappointing that the new laptops appear to include internal optical drives. That is so 20th century. Might as well include a 5.25" floppy drive as well. Seven months ago, I bought an external optical drive to go with my MacBook Air and have never had to use it.

Why did you buy it then?

I'm not really convinced about the death of optical media just yet. The avant-garde may not have much need for it, but until Apple sells all its software by download or USB media, it's too much to axe the drive. And I don't know if I want to buy yet another pair of hard drives (mirrors) just to store rips of all my DVDs.
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10/9/08 at 11:08am
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The whole thing looks like it was shot on the moon in 1969.

LOL. nice.
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10/9/08 at 11:10am
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Is anyone else having trouble viewing the second photo on the article? its all blurred out like somebody went into paint and murdered it.

Second photo? This one?
http://images.appleinsider.com/mbp-080827-1.gif

If it's a different photo, then maybe my browser isn't showing it.
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