Originally Posted by applebook
I will also ignore your rudeness and simply point out (again) your weak and irrational arguments. I've owned the MB for more than 24 months and have had the MBP at the same time too, so I base my perceptions of their relative sizes on actual use. That picture posted a page back is pretty damning evidence that those who perceive the MB to be much smaller are simply deceived and aren't basing their perceptions on measurable reality. You can perceive anything that you want, but the FACT remains that the dimensions are not too wide apart, and this is in "two-dimensional space," as shown by the picture.
Also, show me a DJ table, which can easily hold a MB but NOT a MBP. Otherwise, your arguments are irrational and lack any evidence other than your subjective perception.
Finally, just because your musicians use the MB, it is not proof that all or even most musicians use it over the MBP.
first of all: I don't think I was rude, I never attacked anybody personally, and whenever I was being subjective, I made sure I said that it was "in my opinion".
10% size difference is huge.. it's like the difference between walking 100 miles or 110 miles.
a typical DJ table has a mixer, two record players and two CD players on it, plus a whole bunch of cables, plugs, DI's and converters.
DJ's tend to put the laptop on top of the CD players, and a macBook fits, a macBook pro doesn't.
this isn't just speculation: I work with this almost every day of the week.
also because I work in one of the biggest live clubs here, the musicians (not "my musicians" as you call them) that I meet there could be taken as a good representation of musicians in general because of the sheer variety and numbers of them. and I almost never see a MBP. ever.
and because you don't seem to work with any of the above, but use your own opinion of how others must perceive something as subjective as usable size, based upon your own user experience. I must conclude that you are the one using "subjective perception", while I have tried to reason from an objective observational point of view. (and yes: I did try to be rude here)
Originally Posted by Maxime
Will people stop crying about the firewire thing.
There are more important things in the world.
You guys are talking like Apple just kidnapped your 5 years old daughter.
there aren't a lot of different important things in the world if your whole life is based upon the use of a laptop with firewire (like with musicians or video editors). taking away FW would feel like they took your limbs away, because suddenly you are left with nothing if you can't use the audio card, external HD or camera anymore. then the laptop is just a gaming console or an internet browser.
Originally Posted by John F.
What's with all the apologists here? If I'm buying a $1000 MacBook, I want it to have FireWire. So FireWire is on its way out, you say, [...] What kind of crap talk is that? There is a huge crowd of people who have invested in FireWire peripherals. This is not a small "professional" crowd. [...] There is a huge crowd of people who have bought DV and HDV cameras that work only over FireWire (on the Mac, anyway). These cameras may only be one year old. [...] So these people with a HDV and DV camcorders, or home enthusiast musicians using these apps are screwed when they want to buy an entry level Mac notebook? They should just buy an iMac or an even more expensive MacBook Pro, you say? Because what's a couple more hundreds of dollars for these people anyway, right?
Having said all of this, I do think that Apple could be introducing a combo Ethernet/FireWire port (S800T).
now this shared ethernet/firewire port would be the best news I heard today!!!!
and it seems to be plausible as well..
Originally Posted by matt_s
You're missing the point. The difference in height between 15" and 13" is significant on the aircraft seat back tray. It's not only the height of the LCD but the space that the base absorbs.
The difference is simple to explain: if the person if front of you lowers their seat, and you have a MBP, your work comes to a halt.
and with this I rest my case.
I just think it's rude (from apple and some users here) to suggest to buy a 10% bigger, 80% more expensive machine for the use of a simple firewire port that was never in the way of anything anyway. most (semi-pro) musicians or independent filmmakers just really can't spare the money.