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post #161 of 518
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

And I would have thought it would have been obvious that the averages started their dive at the same time as AAPL's dive. And I don't think most people would consider a 2-4 point difference significantly more.

But whatever, as you said, people see what they want to see.


If you think investors are lovin' what they saw today, then I don't know what to tell ya.

AAPL will recover, but not based on anything that came out of today's event. This was a 'stay the course' refresh, that also unfortunately re-affirmed Apple's reluctance to eat Dell's, HP's, etc's lunch in the upper reaches of the sub-$1K market.

And the pulling of FW was a slap in the face.


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post #162 of 518
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Originally Posted by mitchleeh View Post

thank you thank you... it will work if we can just get momentum.

mr steve will listen to us... this is an outrage.

or alternatively, just don't buy. that would work too.

who is with me?

We on this board are not the majority of Apples revenue and marketshare gains.

Apple's gains come from people who are busy living real life and pay as little attention to technology and spec sheets as possible.

Opinions on this board are like a fart in a hurricane in the larger sense.
post #163 of 518
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

If you think investors are lovin' what they saw today, then I don't know what to tell ya.

AAPL will recover, but not based on anything that came out of today's event. This was a 'stay the course' refresh, that also unfortunately re-affirmed Apple's reluctance to eat Dell's, HP's, etc's lunch in the sub-$1K market.

And the pulling of FW was a slap in the face.


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Looking at day to day stock gains and falls is just this side of useless. Its the long term trends that matter most.

Pulling FW is a slap in the face who? When most in the PC market don't use it.
post #164 of 518
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

We on this board are not the majority of Apples revenue and marketshare gains.

Apple's gains come from people who are busy living real life and pay as little attention to technology and spec sheets as possible.

Opinions on this board are like a fart in a hurricane in the larger sense.

alright! you did not understand! you have mistaken me!

this is not an opinion, but an order and a command to actually do something.

you have the same mentality as some who does not vote... aka "why does it matter, i am one face in the crowd of millions."

you dont understand how easy changes in prices could be made with a group of people sending feedback.

it's simple, and it takes 32.4 seconds.

im sure your reply to this will take much much longer.
post #165 of 518
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

Opinions on this board are like a fart in a hurricane in the larger sense.

And yet somehow, the Internet-based outrage over the screwing of early iPhone adopters got Apple to give out $100 credit coupons.

Don't kid yourself, Apple does listen, if only sometimes.

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post #166 of 518
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

We on this board are not the majority of Apples revenue and marketshare gains.

Apple's gains come from people who are busy living real life and pay as little attention to technology and spec sheets as possible.

Opinions on this board are like a fart in a hurricane in the larger sense.

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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

And yet somehow, the Internet-based outrage over the screwing of early iPhone adopters got Apple to give out $100 credit coupons.

Don't kid yourself, Apple does listen, if only sometimes.

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Thank you for your faith! Tell all your friends, and forum buddies! Don't listen to the haters!
post #167 of 518
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

Looking at day to day stock gains and falls is just this side of useless. Its the long term trends that matter most.

Since you don't offer any support of this beyond your opinion, I'm gonna assume you don't have an argument here.

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Pulling FW is a slap in the face who? When most in the PC market don't use it.

Who cares what those in the PC market do? We're Mac users, and plenty of us have FW hardware.

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post #168 of 518
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Originally Posted by steve666 View Post

Yup, I was waiting for a slightly larger macbook. Apple is the only computer maker without a 15 inch consumer model laptop.

Amen to that. You can buy a PC laptop with 17 inch screen for less than the cheapest macbook, why can't apple offer budget versions of the different screen sizes?

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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

If you think investors are lovin' what they saw today, then I don't know what to tell ya.

I don't think they're lovin' it. I just don't think when a stock follows the same directions as the broader markets, only going a couple points further, it's significant enough to draw a conclusion from. If The Market really has an opinion on something, it's going to make a change bigger than the ones that happen on any random day when there's no news.

To use what is probably a weak analogy, if this were an election poll, the change would be within the margin of error.
post #169 of 518
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Originally Posted by mitchleeh View Post

Thank you for your faith! Tell all your friends, and forum buddies! Don't listen to the haters!

They're not 'haters' so much as guys who worship 'the Steve way' overly much and always go along with the party line, no matter what.

Anyways, those who have something to say about the the announcements? sjobs@apple.com is the addy. Let 'im know what you think.

And yes, the Feedback thing on Apple's site.

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post #170 of 518
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Originally Posted by mitchleeh View Post

alright! you did not understand! you have mistaken me!

this is not an opinion, but an order and a command to actually do something.

you have the same mentality as some who does not vote... aka "why does it matter, i am one face in the crowd of millions."

you dont understand how easy changes in prices could be made with a group of people sending feedback.

it's simple, and it takes 32.4 seconds.

im sure your reply to this will take much much longer.

The real and ultimate vote is with money.

If the market doesn't like Apples line up and sales go down then it was a bad choice. If Apple sales continue their rise then it was the right choice.
post #171 of 518
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

And yet somehow, the Internet-based outrage over the screwing of early iPhone adopters got Apple to give out $100 credit coupons.

Don't kid yourself, Apple does listen, if only sometimes.

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People like to think it to give them some source of power. But we don't know that for sure.

People on the web complain about a lot of things about Apple. That doesn't sway them.
post #172 of 518
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

Amen to that. The aluminum models are a nice improvement, but it's incredibly stupid for apple to put so much focus on the high end and offer basically nothing for people on a budget. They are telling a large share of the market to get lost.

Huh?? Well so is Porsche, Bentley and Aston Martin...... You have to pay for premium brands and technology. You can always drive a Honda. Solution. Make more money.
post #173 of 518
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Originally Posted by mitchleeh View Post

WOOPS!

just send negative feedback here please!

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbook.html

together we can make a difference! all fanboy/rumor sites need to encourage users to send feedback here... change will happen!!!



Re-Quoted for Truth™.


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post #174 of 518
Man, I was all ready to replace my old MBP with one of the new 15" models but those UK prices are insane. I guess my current one will have to last a bit longer.
post #175 of 518
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

Since you don't offer any support of this beyond your opinion, I'm gonna assume you don't have an argument here.

Its the truth. But it doesn't fit the conclusion you want to make.



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Who cares what those in the PC market do? We're Mac users, and plenty of us have FW hardware.

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Because 50% of people buying Macs are coming from the PC. Those people have not and will not use FW.
post #176 of 518
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

People like to think it to give them some source of power. But we don't know that for sure.

People on the web complain about a lot of things about Apple. That doesn't sway them.


Teno, if you want to be a nattering nabob of negativity, that's your deal. Easiest thing in the world is to sit on your arse and go along.

But some ppl prefer to speak up.

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post #177 of 518
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

Re-Quoted for Truth.


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Dude, spread it on other sites!
post #178 of 518
I think apple has actually overdone it this time. the new macbook is the same price as one i bought 14 months ago but has worse specs. Its nice they spent so much time and money on making it look pretty, its what defines apple, but you can't compensate by downgrading the actual COMPUTER part. what happened to moores law? not for apple - who wants a sh*tty 160GB hard drive? the seagate 320gb drives that the earlier version came with are about US$50 retail but apple wants 4 times that just to upgrade the drive. Anyone really care about the graphics card on a 13 inch screen? who runs graphic intensive programmes on a macbook screen? extra costs anyone? you now have to fork out $19 just for the remote? and lets not forget the essential hidden cost of applecare protection... because you know you're going to need it.
post #179 of 518
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

They're not 'haters' so much as guys who worship 'the Steve way' overly much and always go along with the party line, no matter what.

Anyways, those who have something to say about the the announcements? sjobs@apple.com is the addy. Let 'im know what you think.

And yes, the Feedback thing on Apple's site.

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Anyone who doesn't criticize Apple automatically worships at the alter of Steve.

George Bush says anyone who criticizes America isn't patriotic.

Both are very lazy rational.
post #180 of 518
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

Anyone who doesn't criticize Apple automatically worships at the alter of Steve.


Not everyone. But many, yes.

And did you ever stop to think that criticism of Apple, where warranted, actually makes Apple STRONGER, not weaker?

To use the Bush argument you just referenced, the current administration's major problem is that they never listened to criticism, only to one another. And look where it got them.


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post #181 of 518
I have some errands to run. Teno, talk to the hand 'til I get back.

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post #182 of 518
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Originally Posted by riversky View Post

Huh?? Well so is Porsche, Bentley and Aston Martin...... You have to pay for premium brands and technology. You can always drive a Honda. Solution. Make more money.

sorry but if a porsche or aston martin had a slower , less economical engine, missing plugs and you had to pay 4 times retail to upgrade a tiny petrol tank do you still think it would be a 'premium' product.

solution...don't be such a c*ck
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post #184 of 518
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

Not everyone. But many, yes.

And did you ever stop to think that criticism of Apple, where warranted, actually makes Apple STRONGER, not weaker?

To use the Bush argument you just referenced, the current administration's major problem is that they never listened to criticism, only to one another. And look where it got them.


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Apple isn't operating in a vacuum. Every computer manufacturer has to make compromises in one way or another.

I'm not saying Apple is perfect. They certainly like to take risks. But I think people are having emotional reaction more than looking at the reality of the market and how Apple has increased sales.

Of course its always possible the gamble won't work. We will have to see.
post #185 of 518
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

Amen to that. You can buy a PC laptop with 17 inch screen for less than the cheapest macbook, why can't apple offer budget versions of the different screen sizes?



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I just sent the complaint to Apple-
Need a larger consumer laptop and give us the option of no glossy screens.
post #186 of 518
damn, when apple going to release AFFORDABLE 15" notebook

you can call it pro or what ever you want

damn seriously where is the 15" MacBook?

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post #187 of 518
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Originally Posted by crackbook View Post

I think apple has actually overdone it this time. the new macbook is the same price as one i bought 14 months ago but has worse specs. Its nice they spent so much time and money on making it look pretty, its what defines apple, but you can't compensate by downgrading the actual COMPUTER part. what happened to moores law? not for apple - who wants a sh*tty 160GB hard drive? the seagate 320gb drives that the earlier version came with are about US$50 retail but apple wants 4 times that just to upgrade the drive. Anyone really care about the graphics card on a 13 inch screen? who runs graphic intensive programmes on a macbook screen? extra costs anyone? you now have to fork out $19 just for the remote? and lets not forget the essential hidden cost of applecare protection... because you know you're going to need it.

Apple was already using Penryn the only thing that changed was the chipset. Their has been no significant change in Intel mobile processors since Penryn. The next big advance will be next year.

The previous MacBook offered a maximum 250GB HDD. The MacBook Pro offered 320GB HDD for $50 upgrade not the MacBook. Now the MB also offers a 128GB SDD.

Yes people do care about the graphics card. That was one of the main complaints of the MacBook.

I wouldn't buy anyones notebook without the extended warranty. Its not a hidden cost. You get it or you don't.
post #188 of 518
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Originally Posted by mitchleeh View Post

People,

I'm new, long time mac user, but have been reading for awhile. If you really want to see your complaints go to good use, and want do see change, then go here (someone else already suggested, but nothing really was done):

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbook.html

Make an official complaint, and I can promise you that if enough of us do it, apple will listen - and HOPEFULLY change prices and problems!

Please please please do it! Complain about whatever you want - just make sure you include the crappy prices!

Thanks!

DONE!

Apple is really after $$$, where is the 15" macbook?????

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post #189 of 518
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sorry but if a porsche or aston martin had a slower , less economical engine, missing plugs and you had to pay 4 times retail to upgrade a tiny petrol tank do you still think it would be a 'premium' product.

solution...don't be such a c*ck

Do you know anything about cars? Clearly not, because if you did, you would know that the fastest and most reliable cars money can buy right now are badged with Nissan, Dodge, and Chevrolet (the GT-R, the Viper ACR and the Corvette ZR-1) and they cost orders of magnitude less than their equivalent Porsche, Aston Martin, and Ferrari counterparts AND manage to be more economical on fuel and maintenance.

And yet Ferrari still has so many orders that you can't get one new for as many as 4 years and Porsche just had their highest sales year ever with Aston Martin not far behind. The point is, people are willing to pay more for a premium product, performance and features be damned, so if you want to play, you've got to pay. If you can't afford it, get something else or nothing at all. You don't see people whining about not being able to afford an Aston Martin DBS, so why are they whining about this?
post #190 of 518
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Originally Posted by trboyden View Post

Yes you can, I just bought a 320 Gb drive for my Black MacBook (with Firewire ;-p ). It works great.

What happened to all the Mac Fanboys? Apple can do no wrong, right?!

That nice new Lenovo IdeaPad S10 at $399 looks better and better everyday. I have a nice powerful Mac desktop at home, don't need an overpriced laptop for traveling...

Anyone want to buy my MacBook? $1300 firm



Does swapping out the hard drive screw up applecare?
post #191 of 518
can't you use a firewire-usb adapter??? or is that intrinsically wrong???
if not then its a big loss, but you all told me to buy triple interface HD and dvd externals
maybe apples solution is for timemachine to be "bootable" using superduper
boy am i glad i got triple iterface peripherals
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post #192 of 518
T-Bag, the track record just does not support the specifics of your claim: "market dislikes today's announcement."

I'm not saying if AAPL introduced a diamond encrusted 5 Ghz, 500GB laptop for $375 that their stock would not skyrocket. It would. And it didn't happen today.

Let's talk when the sales numbers come in, 6 months from now. Whadya bet the market will "like" these units once the revenue numbers come in?

If AAPL miscalculated here, they can redeem with a killer speed-bump 8 months from now. There overall position is good, not shockingly good but not unlike the past either (which has, if we take a moment of quiet reflection, been rather good).
post #193 of 518
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Do you know anything about cars? Clearly not, because if you did, you would know that the fastest and most reliable cars money can buy right now are badged with Nissan, Dodge, and Chevrolet (the GT-R, the Viper ACR and the Corvette ZR-1) and they cost orders of magnitude less than their equivalent Porsche, Aston Martin, and Ferrari counterparts AND manage to be more economical on fuel and maintenance.

And yet Ferrari still has so many orders that you can't get one new for as many as 4 years and Porsche just had their highest sales year ever with Aston Martin not far behind. The point is, people are willing to pay more for a premium product, performance and features be damned, so if you want to play, you've got to pay. If you can't afford it, get something else or nothing at all. You don't see people whining about not being able to afford an Aston Martin DBS, so why are they whining about this?

The car analogy isn't really that appropriate. With computers there's the hardware and there's the OS. In the case of Apple the hardware is mostly the same as what the competition is selling but you have to get it if you want the OS.

There's nothing stopping apple from releasing great entry level machines and making a ton of sales and profits while they're at it. A cheaper machine running OSX is still going to have the same OS as an expensive one.

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Does swapping out the hard drive screw up applecare?

Usually not. And if you're paranoid you can always save the old one to stick back in if it needs warranty work.
post #194 of 518
Everyone,

Please calm down. Let's see what shows up in the local Apple Store on Oct. 15.

I think it will be spectacular in terms of size, less weight, much improved design, graphics chips/speed. better display, improved battery life, etc. The new CPU's and front side bus will likely make a big difference in terms of performance.

I plan to go to the Apple Store tomorrow, and if all is good, I will buy a new 13" Macbook for $1499. at the education price. Do they give you the education price in the retail stores?

Yes, it is about $200. over-priced. They can lower the price in the future. But, I need a Mac laptop now. So, it will probably be the new Macbook for me.

Alan
post #195 of 518
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

Apple was already using Penryn the only thing that changed was the chipset. Their has been no significant change in Intel mobile processors since Penryn. The next big advance will be next year.

The previous MacBook offered a maximum 250GB HDD. The MacBook Pro offered 320GB HDD for $50 upgrade not the MacBook. Now the MB also offers a 128GB SDD.

Yes people do care about the graphics card. That was one of the main complaints of the MacBook.

I wouldn't buy anyones notebook without the extended warranty. Its not a hidden cost. You get it or you don't.

wisecrack my general point was that you get the same computer or worse, for more cost, a year later.

ok sure the maximum offered drive was 250GB but they fit a $50 320GB drive don't they. (not $50 updgrade - $50 retail, so you still have the 250 or 160Gb drive to use as an external)

if i bought a similar spec dell laptop for half the price i wouldn't get an extended warranty because if it died i could buy another one and still not spend as much overall.
post #196 of 518
I NEED TO KNOW!

how significant is the 2.0 to 2.4 GHZ jump.

is it worth that much?
and would i actually see in terms of performance???
post #197 of 518
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Originally Posted by crackbook View Post

wisecrack my general point was that you get the same computer or worse, for more cost, a year later.

ok sure the maximum offered drive was 250GB but they fit a $50 320GB drive don't they. (not $50 updgrade - $50 retail, so you still have the 250 or 160Gb drive to use as an external)

if i bought a similar spec dell laptop for half the price i wouldn't get an extended warranty because if it died i could buy another one and still not spend as much overall.

The chipset and RAM are faster. The GPU is 5 times faster. LCD screen. Its not exactly the same computer.

Its true you can get a notebook from Dell at half the cost. Its not true you can get this notebook from Dell at half the cost.
post #198 of 518
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

The chipset and RAM are faster. The GPU is 5 times faster. LCD screen. Its not exactly the same computer.

Its true you can get a notebook from Dell at half the cost. Its not true you can get this notebook from Dell at half the cost.

Amen, crackbook. Well said!!! Check it out at your local Apple Store before you decide!
post #199 of 518
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Originally Posted by infinitespecter View Post

Do you know anything about cars? Clearly not, because if you did, you would know that the fastest and most reliable cars money can buy right now are badged with Nissan, Dodge, and Chevrolet (the GT-R, the Viper ACR and the Corvette ZR-1) and they cost orders of magnitude less than their equivalent Porsche, Aston Martin, and Ferrari counterparts AND manage to be more economical on fuel and maintenance.

And yet Ferrari still has so many orders that you can't get one new for as many as 4 years and Porsche just had their highest sales year ever with Aston Martin not far behind. The point is, people are willing to pay more for a premium product, performance and features be damned, so if you want to play, you've got to pay. If you can't afford it, get something else or nothing at all. You don't see people whining about not being able to afford an Aston Martin DBS, so why are they whining about this?

ok good point about the cars, but the 'premium' cars you talk about still have very good specs, these macbooks have entry level specs.

sorry dont know what you're talking about with the Viper ACR and the Corvette ZR-1, the rest of the world doesn't import sh*tbox american tractors.
post #200 of 518
I need suggestions. I've been waiting for 6 months for this update. To me it seems the better value would be to get the "blackbook" from the last line of macbooks for cheaper. Faster processor, more space on the HD, FW ports and for cheaper. Or should I go with the new 13" for $1249 (with educational discount)? I'd also probably upgrade to the 250GB for another $100. Processor speed is negligible for the most part correct? Thoughts? I 100% need a new laptop ASAP though. Please help here!! I am so mad at apple. I sent a complaint on the feedback. Please anybody that thinks screw that I'm just 1 more person it won't make a difference, it takes seconds! We can get a change if we all say something! Apple will open its eyes eventually!
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