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Does swapping out the hard drive screw up applecare?

Yeah it does, but if you swap back in the original, they won't know. I had to do that with the memory I added when my screen died two weeks after I bought mine.
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Originally Posted by infinitespecter View Post

Do you know anything about cars? Clearly not, because if you did, you would know that the fastest and most reliable cars money can buy right now are badged with Nissan, Dodge, and Chevrolet (the GT-R, the Viper ACR and the Corvette ZR-1) and they cost orders of magnitude less than their equivalent Porsche, Aston Martin, and Ferrari counterparts AND manage to be more economical on fuel and maintenance.

And yet Ferrari still has so many orders that you can't get one new for as many as 4 years and Porsche just had their highest sales year ever with Aston Martin not far behind. The point is, people are willing to pay more for a premium product, performance and features be damned, so if you want to play, you've got to pay. If you can't afford it, get something else or nothing at all. You don't see people whining about not being able to afford an Aston Martin DBS, so why are they whining about this?

People don't whine about that because there are so many other choices that do the exact same thing and look just as good for less.

Apple is the sole manufacturer of computers that legitimately run OSX and when they ignore a portion of their consumer base those people are essentially left out with no alternative. That's why people are angry.
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I love comments like these. Instead of telling us you see lower cost machines, why don't you provide us a link to such a machine? In my experience, every time people list these types of things, the machines are always more or about the same when they are comparatively configured.

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Every day . . . I see listings of high quality Windows machines on the Internet (Dell, Sony, HP) for significantly less money. And, these are not wimp machines; they are pretty well full-featured.

I know, I know; they are not Macs . . . . but they are fully functional tools for students who cannot afford to shell out an extra $300 - $600 for a Macintosh. I think Apple has missed an opportunity to tap into this growing (student) market and convert those young people who will be buying computers for many, many years.

I love my Mac, but . . . . . . just thinking.
post #244 of 518
I'm using an ancient iBook G4 Mac, and I STILL don't want to upgrade to the new MacBooks. $1299 is just too much. Try again Apple.
post #245 of 518
Amen. Somebody finally talking sense. The comparisons are real easy to do by going to Dell or HP's site.

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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

This is not true. You people need to stop spreading false information. Dell uses the same CPU chips the MacBook is using in its $1000+ notebooks. No notebook under $1000 is using the Macbook chipset or GPU.

A 1066MHz Bus, DDR 3 RAM, 1280x800 LED screen are not entry level.
post #246 of 518
Perhaps, it was the Classic buy on the rumor, sell on the news. People are not holding stocks long in today's market. People were cashing in on profits they made by buying in at 89.

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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

If you think investors are lovin' what they saw today, then I don't know what to tell ya.

AAPL will recover, but not based on anything that came out of today's event. This was a 'stay the course' refresh, that also unfortunately re-affirmed Apple's reluctance to eat Dell's, HP's, etc's lunch in the upper reaches of the sub-$1K market.

And the pulling of FW was a slap in the face.


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post #247 of 518
is there any real reason to purchase the MacBook Air over the $1599 MacBook? I mean really..... the MacBook is now 0.95" and 4.5lbs.....lighter and thinner....has wayy better specs than the Air, has a backlit keyboard, LED Screen and Multitouch Glass Touchpad (Air doesnt have this)......whats the you're paying $200-$1000 more for .19" thinness and 1.5lbs lighter.......but get far less. I used to think an updated Air would be what I desired, but after today there's no reason.
post #248 of 518
I'm pretty disappointed.

Yeah, they'll made of aluminum, thin, DDR3, dedicated graphics, 13.3" screen, but the price just seems out of line, at least with the economy in flux. I guess the only real positive I can think of, is that they're cheap compared to some of the Sonys with 13 inch screens and DDR3. The Nvidia 9400M isn't much to talk about either, a decent boost over Intel, but not that much.

I guess I was just really expecting a $900 or so MB, just because all computer components are getting cheaper, laptops are coming with more RAM, bigger HDs, some even have Blu-Ray drives now.

Here, Apple walks out with a 160 GB HD as standard. lol. 2 GB of laptop DDR3 RAM is only about $100. I just don't care that much about a one-piece aluminum shell, to discount other features I feel should be pumped up nowadays.
post #249 of 518
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Originally Posted by lugesm View Post

Every day . . . I see listings of high quality Windows machines on the Internet (Dell, Sony, HP) for significantly less money. And, these are not wimp machines; they are pretty well full-featured.

I know, I know; they are not Macs . . . . but they are fully functional tools for students who cannot afford to shell out an extra $300 - $600 for a Macintosh. I think Apple has missed an opportunity to tap into this growing (student) market and convert those young people who will be buying computers for many, many years.

I love my Mac, but . . . . . . just thinking.

You are right these computers are usable as far as computers go. But they are not the same as the Mac.

Configure any of them (especially a Sony) with the same specs as the Mac and they will be of a similar if not more expensive cost.
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Originally Posted by CoreyMac View Post

is there any real reason to purchase the MacBook Air over the $1599 MacBook? I mean really..... the MacBook is now 0.95" and 4.5lbs.....lighter and thinner....has wayy better specs than the Air, has a backlit keyboard, LED Screen and Multitouch Glass Touchpad (Air doesnt have this)......whats the you're paying $200-$1000 more for .19" thinness and 1.5lbs lighter.......but get far less. I used to think an updated Air would be what I desired, but after today there's no reason.

Nope, I've said long ago that if the new MB features an LED display, aluminum, and a backlit keyboard that the Air is completely ridiculous for 99% of the market. I personally have no use for a far inferior machine with a higher price tag just because it is thinner but not smaller in width and length (not to mention the Core shutdown issues).
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Originally Posted by guinness View Post

The Nvidia 9400M isn't much to talk about either, a decent boost over Intel, but not that much.

The 9400 is much, much faster than the Intel GPU. The 9400 is also slightly faster and more efficient than the 8400 in the Sony SZ (which is a direct competitor).
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post #252 of 518
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Originally Posted by applebook View Post

Nope, I've said long ago that if the new MB features an LED display, aluminum, and a backlit keyboard that the Air is completely ridiculous for 99% of the market. I personally have no use for a far inferior machine with a higher price tag just because it is thinner but not smaller in width and length (not to mention the Core shutdown issues).

At its price and functionality the Air was never meant for 99% of the market. The thinness and 1.5 pound difference can make a huge difference for someone who carries a notebook frequently along with books and papers and such.
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Originally Posted by NOFEER View Post

can't you use a firewire-usb adapter??? or is that intrinsically wrong???
if not then its a big loss, but you all told me to buy triple interface HD and dvd externals
maybe apples solution is for timemachine to be "bootable" using superduper
boy am i glad i got triple iterface peripherals

no you can't:
some software is just really picky on what kind of port you use. if you would put an adapter from either ethernet of USb to firewire, the software would still see the USB or ethernet port (to the tech people on here: correct me if I'm wrong).
I have a couple of firewire audio interfaces that I use, mainly because I can daisy chain them together.

but to give some examples: the presonus firewire interface wouldn't even work on the newer MBP's because the firewire port on those was incompatible, eventhough it was a FW400, just a different type. also: I have one USB audio interface (mbox), that will only work on my frontside USB port, not the backside one (I have a blackBook). software can be THAT picky.
and especially with audio: if things aren't 100% compatible you can get pops, cracks and shutdowns. which is killing during a recording session.

now these interfaces aren't only used by pros, but everybody that makes music seems to have one: whether you are in a band, a singer/songwriter or a DJ. by including garageband in their OS package, apple has made a lot of music lovers into wannabe rockstars, and I see more and more people buying themselves into it.
but I might be biased because almost everybody I know does something with music, sound or film and a lot were waiting to upgrade their old portable computers.

for most of them the choice between $1000 or $2000 for a firewire option is just crazy, especially if you don't earn pro-money or want to carry around a bigger bag for the bigger laptop. now if only the whiteBook had better graphics, or the new macBook a firewire port.

PS: I did send in a complaint to: http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbook.html
please everybody else do the same.
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Common what about legacy firewire? we have tons of pro stuff driven by firewire !!!!!! How do you connect to an Audio Firewire Motu for example?? I have the V4HD......www.V4hd.com
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post #255 of 518
PLEASE!!

someone tell me if the step from 2.0 GHS to 2.4 significant.

does it outweigh the cost???
what improvement will i actually** notice.??
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Originally Posted by pilottage View Post

Common what about legacy firewire? we have tons of pro stuff driven by firewire !!!!!! How do you connect to an Audio Firewire Motu for example?? I have the V4HD......www.V4hd.com

With any computer other than a MB or Air.
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In six months (give or take a few), the $999 white Macbook is going to go away, and be replaced with a $1099 aluminum model. After manufacturing costs go down and everyone willing to spend $300 extra for AL has done so.
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Originally Posted by crackbook View Post

ok good point about the cars, but the 'premium' cars you talk about still have very good specs, these macbooks have entry level specs.

The two most immediate competitors to the MacBook I can think of are the Sony VAIO SR and the Dell XPS M1310. When priced to be somewhat similar to the top end MacBook, they were both over $1700 with lesser specs.

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sorry dont know what you're talking about with the Viper ACR and the Corvette ZR-1, the rest of the world doesn't import sh*tbox american tractors.

Spoken like someone who knows nothing about what they are talking about. Try telling anyone on a car board that and you'll get laughed out of the place. First computers, now cars; your ignorance knows no bounds.
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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow View Post

In six months (give or take a few), the $999 white Macbook is going to go away, and be replaced with a $1099 aluminum model. After manufacturing costs go down and everyone willing to spend $300 extra for AL has done so.

I concur with this prediction.
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Originally Posted by infinitespecter View Post

Spoken like someone who knows nothing about what they are talking about. Try telling anyone on a car board that and you'll get laughed out of the place. First computers, now cars; your ignorance knows no bounds.

He forgot to include the Ford GT in his list of *(&)&*(&* American cars.

Top Gear Aussie tested the new 800(?) horse power Ford GT, which made me drooooooooooooool.

Still, the Stig was able to beat the Nissan GT-R by only a bit over a second, despite the Nissan's being limited in top speed because of the restrictive chip.

This test doesn't say that much about the Ford GT (which is amazing) as it does about the unbelievable Nissan GT-R, which has become my under $250,000 dream car.

...nothing to do with Macs, just ranting...
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Originally Posted by iijuanii View Post

PLEASE!!

someone tell me if the step from 2.0 GHS to 2.4 significant.

does it outweigh the cost???
what improvement will i actually** notice.??

About 10% difference. 2.4GHz was about 3 seconds faster in a speedmark test.
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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow View Post

In six months (give or take a few), the $999 white Macbook is going to go away, and be replaced with a $1099 aluminum model. After manufacturing costs go down and everyone willing to spend $300 extra for AL has done so.

While this may be true, people were looking for even lower prices then the $1099 price tag. People (or at least I was) were looking for something around the $799-$999 price tag. Guess I'll look at a Sony or Dell with Ubuntu :/

Didn't want to do it, but Apple has pushed me away.
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Originally Posted by iijuanii View Post

PLEASE!!

someone tell me if the step from 2.0 GHS to 2.4 significant.

does it outweigh the cost???
what improvement will i actually** notice.??

It really depends on what you are doing. Strongly CPU-bound tasks will run slower on the 2.0 GHz model, I highly doubt that the higher FSB will even out the slower CPU as it mostly affects the speed between CPU and memory.
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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow View Post

In six months (give or take a few), the $999 white Macbook is going to go away, and be replaced with a $1099 aluminum model. After manufacturing costs go down and everyone willing to spend $300 extra for AL has done so.

Exactly.

Steve will say they didn't sell well. Everyone wants the Aluminum MB.

The interesting thing is how prior to the event today analysts were sure Apple was going to get into the sub $1000 market in a meaningful way and how this was going to be a big deal.

Looks like the sub $1000 MB is just around to clear out inventory. I'd be surprised if there is a sub $1000 laptop in the Apple lineup a year from now.

Time will tell.
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Here is a quick Windoze benchmark for the 2 versus 2.4:
http://optimitza.cat/news/2008/09/17...0-t8100-p7350/



2 (P7350) - about 1750
2.4 (P8600) - about 2200

The difference is around 25-30% but will depend on the benchmark and actual use.

The older 2.4 (T8300) scores around 2100.
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Originally Posted by backtomac View Post

I'd be surprised if there is a sub $1000 laptop in the Apple lineup a year from now.

Time will tell.

Apple will do what the market will bear. If the company is losing money, then it will no longer be able to ignore the $999 and under segment.
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Originally Posted by Erunno View Post

It really depends on what you are doing. Strongly CPU-bound tasks will run slower on the 2.0 GHz model, I highly doubt that the higher FSB will even out the slower CPU as it mostly affects the speed between CPU and memory.

The benefit of a faster FSB is greatly overstated, IMO, based on the experience of previous updates.

Compare a Rev B. MBP with a 2.16 ghz C2D and a 667mhz FSB with a Rev C. MBP and a 2.2 ghz C2D and an 800 mhz FSB.

I don't see a big difference do you? Maybe this time will be different but Intel's chips with faster FSBs only seem to offer modest gains. Better than nothing mind you but I would go for the faster clock speed not the faster FSB.
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Originally Posted by Erunno View Post

It really depends on what you are doing. Strongly CPU-bound tasks will run slower on the 2.0 GHz model, I highly doubt that the higher FSB will even out the slower CPU as it mostly affects the speed between CPU and memory.

so do you think it's worth it for me?

I'm gonna be doing photoshop a lot.
photographer.

i could get the 2.0, upgrade to 4gbs ram, and 250 hd, and it's still cheaper than the 2.4 model.
or, upgrade the 2.4 to 4 gbs later.

what do you think?

i don't mind the glossy display btw. although i preferred matte.
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Originally Posted by iijuanii View Post

i could get the 2.0, upgrade to 4gbs ram, and 250 hd, and it's still cheaper than the 2.4 model.
or, upgrade the 2.4 to 4 gbs later.

Do not buy RAM from Apple. You can get it for substantially less elsewhere.

In term of the CPU, the 2GHz should be enough for most users.
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You should be fine with the 2.0 Ghz. I'm running CS3 on a Toshiba laptop with 1.8 GHz Celeron and 512 Mb RAM.

A Macbook with 2.0 Ghz Core2 and 4GB of RAM should run amazingly fast.
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Originally Posted by ICD-EVIL View Post

You should be fine with the 2.0 Ghz. I'm running CS3 on a Toshiba laptop with 1.8 GHz Celeron and 512 Mb RAM.

A Macbook with 2.0 Ghz Core2 and 4GB of RAM should run amazingly fast.

I don't mean to slight, but advice like this is meaningless. Unless you have the same requirements as the person posing the question, then your experience means nothing in his context. He wasn't asking people to compare the 2GHz to a Celeron chip; he was asking about the 2.0 and the 2.4.
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Originally Posted by ICD-EVIL View Post

You should be fine with the 2.0 Ghz. I'm running CS3 on a Toshiba laptop with 1.8 GHz Celeron and 512 Mb RAM.

A Macbook with 2.0 Ghz Core2 and 4GB of RAM should run amazingly fast.

Im anticipating for the next 3/4 years too...
arent we due for software upgrades sometime within a year?
post #273 of 518
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Originally Posted by applebook View Post

I don't mean to slight, but advice like this is meaningless. Unless you have the same requirements as the person posing the question, then your experience means nothing in his context. He wasn't asking people to compare the 2GHz to a Celeron chip; he was asking about the 2.0 and the 2.4.

thanks for clarifying.
so what do you think?
given the new ram... etc.

I'm a heavy photoshop user.
very very minimal video editing. but i will use it.

garage band. some.
post #274 of 518
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Originally Posted by applebook View Post

Thanks, TenoBell. It's nice to see some posters who actually are aware of the facts and don't just make them up.

People, stop trying to compare 15-16-17 inch PC notebooks priced at $600 with the 13" MB. There is no comparison. Aside from the LED screen (and its size), the CPUs are not the same, nor are the GPUs, chipsets, features, and most importantly, the OS!

I'm not being an Apple fanboy. These are just the facts. Compare apples to apples (sorry for the pun), not apples to oranges.

I do agree with some of the complaints about Apple's going too far high-end. Apple should have released a "lesser" version of the new MB for $1000-11000.

People always whine after Apple releases a new product these days and pronounce gloom. Glossy iMac, MBA, etc. And yet, Apple market share continued to increase.

The graphic improvements now allows light gaming that was not possible before. Gaming is likely more important to students than FW. The 9400M is likely as fast as my ATI X1600 in my MBP. It's good enough for light gaming.

It can drive a 30" ACD via displayport. A win for folks wanting more real estate without needing a MBP.

The primary problem with lack of FW is for DV camcorders with FW400 ports. That should be solvable with a powered USB/FW 400 hub from somewhere. There IS a healthy Mac aftermarket and a solution should be forthcoming if something isn't already a good fit.

Frankly, when I have my full kit for video stuff I'm carrying the power supply for the camcorder, a scad of extra DV tapes, etc. One more hub is probably not a deal killer.

As I posted in the other thread...the Maxtor FW400/USB2 actually run faster in USB2 in some tests. Seagate claims the reasin is that Apple improved the USB2 drivers in Leopard.

All in all a big improvment. Shame the price isn't lower but oh well. Hopefully the mini gets a rev soon.
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Originally Posted by vinea View Post

The 9400M is likely as fast as my ATI X1600 in my MBP. It's good enough for light gaming.

I'm thinking the same thing. I've grown out of the desire to play games on my computer, so as long as it is fast enough for Aperture and Photoshop CS4, with the occasional flight or racing sim thrown in, I'll be happy.
post #276 of 518
I think you are all making a mountain out of a mole hill.

I have a firewire hard drive, it has USB2 as well, no biggie.

I live in Australia, the base level MacBook 2Ghz costs 2099 bux inc. gst which works out roughly the same as the American prices including the sales tax.

Now I compare it to a Dell XPS M1330 with a 2.1ghz core 2 duo with an 8400M GS and 2GB DDR-2, its 1800 AUD sure its heaps cheaper, but its not as well made, its heavier and thicker.

Then I look at a Dell Latitude E4300, this thing is closer to the new macbook than the XPS 1330 is, it has a magnesium alloy case, its 1" thick and weights under 2kg, it has same specs as the macbook bar the gfx which are intel, and it costs 2800 AUD. It had no firewire and only 1 USB port.

Thing you all must realise is that this new macbook is an ultraportable, its not going to have all the bells and whistles.
post #277 of 518
Does the MacBook have the same easily replaceable hard drive as the MacBook Pro? Could a person stick their own 7200RPM drive in there if they were so inclined, since Apple doesn't offer it?
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Originally Posted by ALBIM View Post

I'm using an ancient iBook G4 Mac, and I STILL don't want to upgrade to the new MacBooks. $1299 is just too much. Try again Apple.

Absolutely! I have a 12" PowerBook G4. I use it mostly for surfing and word processing, and I don't see any reason to upgrade to a new MacBook. For users who aren't using graphics-intensive applications, I fail to see any point to the upgrade. Give me a faster machine with an LED backlit screen and longer battery life, make it no bigger than my current G4, price it at, say $1099, and I might be interested. Till then, I can wait.
post #279 of 518
You can't even hook this up to a standard monitor without shelling out another $29 for the DVI or VGA adapter.

Its not a lot of money but...

booo!
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Originally Posted by sandau View Post

You can't even hook this up to a standard monitor without shelling out another $29 for the DVI or VGA adapter.

Its not a lot of money but...

booo!

This is exactly the same situation as when Apple transitioned from P2 ports to USB and FireWire 10 years ago. They did it before the larger market, eventually everyone else followed. Soon everyone will be offering Display Port.
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