Apple releases new 15" MacBook Pro - Page 5

Yeah I'm never gonna be able to get it perfect, but this is as close as I can get to that. The back of the laptop screen is completely flat against the face of the monitor, so they are both at exactly the same angle.





To me the more diffused light reflection of the matte screen is a better solution than the less diffused but perfect reflection of the glossy. It is *much* easier to notice the background distractions in the glossy screen than in the matte.

Good update with a disappointing graphics card, but i already suspected this would happen.

I was really hoping for a more "pro" level card with this update. One of the 9800Ms combined with the 9400 would be the ideal combination for me.

Why on an Apple forum would you show a POS Dell monitor..

Your brain isn't "working" on it. You just don't notice it.

That reminds me of older microscopes. without binocular heads, you need to use one eye. You must keep both eyes open. Once you do that, it's much easier. Your eye that isn't looking into the ocular blanks itself out after a short while, and you only see what you want to see in the ocular. It isn't more work for your brain. Only id you keep thinking about it.

It seems to me that that's one of the problems. Some people keep thinking about the possible reflections, and look for them, even if they don't realize it. I can see that becoming very tedious after a while.

At least use apple computers to show what you are bitching about..

Having bought an SE/30 just months before it was overtaken by Classics and falling for a Powerbook after a display upgrade, only to see it made totally redundant by the first MBP a few months later, I am *delighted* by the new MBP.... because I bought a matte MBP in March and can now happily sit back and wait for the next release with:
- new processors
- matte display option
- eSATA
- BluRay
- longer battery life
- touch display(???)

Thank you Steve Jobs!

For everyone else: check out refurb prices!!

I agree and even on a matt screen you see the Flash...

PS i love the glossy makes my photos pop...

Why do I need to do that? A matte screen is a matte screen, a glossy screen is a glossy screen. Plus I don't own any Apple computers

I for one am excited. the question I have is how much difference is the 512mb or 256mb in the grafix card. i dont play games

I will use this primarily for intense music production and playing out live.

is there any other difference between the entry level macbook and macbook pro i should consider..

Is there any chance Apple have actually come up with a secret way to do this that isn't as time consuming or expensive but are deliberately using videos in their marketing showing the traditional methods?

When the removed the word Computer from their name they meant it didn't they?

Apple are just an expensive toy company now, don't get me wrong great for Apple, probably the most profitable market for them. Professional users are probably too much trouble and cost too much money to retain as customers, Apple do not seem to need them.

Everyone thought the ability to run Windows on an Apple Machine was to help people switch to OSX, actually I would bet it was to assist pro's move away from OSX and to Windows.

I have waited this long to replace my dead Mac Mini that served as a Media Center under my TV, I have no finally given up waiting and will be buying one the new DELL mini's with Blu-Ray today. This will now start to see the move away from OSX to windows on everything else. I have been running vista in my MBP for a while now.

The end of my 3 year Apple experiment.

Yes, I just looked at the video. The still photos, looked like a water/slurry technology.

I'm glad this is the case, as the water/slurry method is not a very good one from an environmental standpoint, even though it allows for much higher precision on difficult to machine parts.

Yeah, it's dropping like a...

brick <- I think I figured out what it was after all.

Down $6 in the space of a few hours. Not looking good. Below 100 tomorrow I reckon.

The problems I see here are that Apple has not made a safe move. Making the whole lineup matte, nobody would care one bit. Nobody would argue that there shouldn't be a matte-only display.

No firewire in the Macbook - what are they thinking? Nearly every imovie user will have a firewire camcorder. They not only have to buy a new laptop but a new camcorder. They have no choice but to go for the old white one.

Higher pricing. As stupid as some people are, Jobs standing on stage talking about better value does nothing. In store, people check the price tags and they've gone up or they are the same. Therefore no sale.

The hardware spec has improved but this is another point where Apple are missing some marbles. The glossy displays, no firewire etc are all consumer things. Exact spec has no bearing here. Most won't even know what an Nvidia chip is so spec improvements won't increase sales.

Much better. i'll make o pro of you yet.

And, you can adjust the screen down just a few degrees, which will eliminate most of, or all of the reflection without being a problem in viewing.

You do see where the blacks are better, and not washed out like over all of the matte screen.

Enough of the reposting of these images please!!! lol

Of course I would agree with that. So what has that got to do with anything? Surely you do not mean to suggest that that alone is a rationale for replacing this PC specifically with an Apple PC do you?

No. They seem to be using standard CNC machines methods.

Actually, it isn't Apple. They have another company that is expert in doing this manufacture the parts for them.

Their innovation in so far as laptops go, is to do it this way at all.

I have a small CNC mill in my shop in my basement. It's very common these days..

Look up CNC milling, or CNC lathes, CNC machining centers, or just CNC machining.

You are correct. I was looking at the new MBP specs when I wrote the message. My bad.

Indeed, you are stuck. If you really don't like the glossy screen, then you don't have much of choice but go for the current MBP 15"/17" model. On the bright side they're cheaper now, especially if you go for a refurbished one.

-YipYipYipee

I aware of all of the above and I am aware the videos show that. That wasn't my question.

What are you, twelve years old?

I'm curious what spectrophotometer and software you use to calibrate the glossy monitors.

But you are the exception to the rule. There is an element of subjectivity, but the human factors concerning the tactile sensation of the keys, and the ability of the fingers to sense the individual key and find the "home" keys, is something that has been extensively studied over the years, to the point that it is far more objective and far less objective than you believe. The force vs. travel curve of the keyboard on the present MacBook Pro is vastly superior to that of the keyboard on the MacBook Air. Go find someone who has to type for a living and sit them down in front of both keyboards, and they'll explain it to you.

Right.

By adding a resumee: At home using a desktop display NOBODY needs a glossy display. What do you think why I have to pay 2000 bucks for a true color Eizo display?

I agree that it's surprising they dropped FW in the MB. For the Air, I could understand. But I was afraid they would extend this to the Mb as well. I don't like FW much these days, but admittedly, it's still something many people would want for video and external drives until power over E-SATA comes out, hopefully, next year.

I am disappointed about the pricing of the MB's. The MBP pricing is fine. I don't know of any real pro who would object. But, for consumer machines right now, that $900 machine was looking very good!

I realized that just now as I reread some posts. But, the "no" was in answer to that question, though it was obviously not clear.

I don't see how Apple could develop a new method. This isn't their business at all. There are very large companies around that have developed state of the art machining technologies. There are a few of those technologies. For Apple to develop a new one without that getting out would be slim to none. They would have to have developed it in secret, but would then have had to apply for patents. That's not secret.

Where would they put it? If they built their own plant, that wouldn't be secret either. Someone would know that Apple is building a plant. someone would know that someone is designing and building machines for Apple, and so on.

And make sure you wear a long-sleeve black t-shirt, gloves and a ski mask.

Mine where taken from here. http://americanprinter.com/mag/lcd_vs_crt_0305_1/

Guess now Anti-Reflective Screen stickers will make their way .

Oh well, there is definitely some pro and cons in the new design. I honestly will want to see how strong does the new MB and MBP feel with this so called brick manufacturing process. The twin GPU is fantastic, no more secondary hard disk for Photoshop.
My only gripe is because of the design which is made of glass, then there is likely no way Apple could make it matte anymore, its a sad thing though but also an achievement because no laptop screen is made out of glass. Lets hope the glass wont crack if it falls (lets hope this is the same glass featured in the iPhone). I wonder if Apple would go to the stretch of making an anti-reflective glass.
Now about the ports, OMG! why must the port be so closed together. I can imagine some 3rd party hardwares will start having problems being plugged in because the ports is so closed up together, they need to increase the gap between each port.

As much as I want a new MBP, guess I will wait for 2nd revision after Nehalem and after SL is released

I never changed. I've just been too busy to call you out on your bs recently.

I use the Xrite i1XTreme. That's a new name for the bundle, but it's the same one I have.

The price has come down.

http://www.xrite.com/product_overview.aspx?ID=792

You can adjust for that case because there are a few distinct lights and focus on dark background areas but try and do that in a library with massive windows where everywhere is very well lit.

The point as always is that the glossy requires work to be done to avoid distraction, the matte can be in any position and it's fine. The glossy is not an improvement and it most certainly is not the best choice if Apple wanted to go with one model.

If Apple had gone completely matte, everyone would buy the machines - glossy fans weren't switching away back when it was all matte. All glossy and Apple will lose customers.

It doesn't matter how much getting used to it I try. I've used glossy screens for weeks at a time and I will never use one regularly again as long as I live. I even dislike when other people have glossy screens next to me because I can see them staring in the reflection - it looks like they are staring at me and it's very irritating.

It is partly subjective to block out reflections but with matte it isn't subjective because everybody can use them just fine. Look at digital signs all over the world in stadiums and major cities, they aren't glossy because you can't see those during the day at all angles. Matte screens almost look like printed banners.


This is why Apple don't see a problem. Blue jeans and black shirts all round. Maybe they should sell the uniform as an add-on.

Think Different.. look the same.. do the same.. pay more

Almost amusing.

Exactly. The one thing that Apple absolutely needed to do was to start selling notebook computers at a price substantially lower than they had been previously. The execs at Apple have evidently not noticed that the retail price of notebook computers has dropped enormously over the past several years, and that Apple's notebook computers have remaind at essentially the same price. If Apple is going to continue to gain market share, they have simply got to start selling notebook computers at a lower price. That means that they have simply got to find ways to reduce, not increase, the production cost for their computers. From a business standpoint, what they did is tantamount to inflicting wounds on oneself.

Jobs simply needs to be fired. There is no way, no how that someone who has presided over a business fiasco as major as this should be allowed to remain in their position. No way, no how did it make one whit of sense to move to a more costly manufacturing process. It is simply insane.

Hmm....I checked apple.com this morning and saw new MacBooks...could not decide between the MB and the MBP but finally went with the MBP. It seems a lot of you are not liking these? (MB and MBP) Did I just make a mistake? Should I have waited? Just went with a MB instead of a Pro? I guess its probably not too late to cancel my order...

Obviously I dont know THAT much about computers...I can use them well and use photoshop and the sort, and plan to start taking computer graphics classes....

Haha, the display look like some other poster who posted the next MBP mockup ,

Well I honestly hoped Apple will keep matte and maybe place a anti-reflective glass on their displays.

It's too bad the Barco isn't being made any more.

Well, go back to what you've been doing. No one missed your nonsense.

Heh. Ain't that the truth. But it ain't going to change either. It's very similar to the craziness when Snow Leopard's "features" were announced. Potentially gigantic changes to the OS X are announced and people are babbling about it being a bug fix release.

However, Apple is extremely targeted in their hardware, so all this complaining comes with the territory as they don't try to target everyone's needs.


Actually, DDR3 is an octo-pumped bus, while DDR2 is a quad-pumped bus. It's operating at half the bus clock as DDR2-1066 SDRAM is. DDR2 should give more performance (~5%) at equivalent transfer rates due to lower latency, while DDR3 has less power consumption.

Since the older MBP has 800 MHz DDR2 SDRAM while the new MBP has 1066 MHz DDR3 SDRAM, there's probably slight increase in performance at equal CPU clock. So, the new 2.53 GHz MPB should be about 5%, maybe 10%, faster than the old 2.50 GHz MBP due to the higher bandwidth memory and slightly better CPU clock.


Doubtful as there are a lot of laptops out there that use desktop components. It's probably first to actually use laptop components. I'll try to check.


Yes. This is a big plus. Most comparative laptops will be using Intel integrated graphics. It's interesting that Apple is beginning to use the "16/32 graphics cores" marketing speak. It'll be interesting to see much it is ratcheted up when Snow Leopard comes.


Well it's an evolution at most. It could also be a short one as next Fall (2009), mobile Nehalem based systems come out. Basically, everything changes then. This is more of taking advantage of Nvidia core logic when the opportunity presented itself. It may be Nvidia's last ever chipset as who knows if they can move to a next generation.

I think the main thing you have to realize is that Apple is getting big enough and popular enough that they'll have to start addressing niches in the market. They won't go down market ($600 to $800 laptops) for awhile or if ever, but they can still go upmarket. They are pretty much ignoring the "extreme" top end with the 45 Watt TDP CPUs. 3.06 GHz Core 2 Duos and 2.53 GHz Quads are available in the 45 Watt TDP envelope. Maybe they are too much oriented towards the mobile gamer, but many Apple customers would go for the horsepower to encode/decode video.

Also, the restrictions between screen size and price points can get frustrating. That's being too targeted. Ie, we should be able to get a 15" screen at a $1499 price point with the appropriate components, but Apple doesn't do that as they reserve price points for one machine only, which in the case of the $1499 price point, is the 13" MB. Also would like to see more screen resolution options.

So, these are old frustrations you are seeing, not really new ones.

I understand that a few people will have problems with them. I've acknowledged that. But most won't. I can't ague with what Jobs said that most people wanted glossy.

I also don't consider stadium displays to be a good comparison. Besides, most of those really big ones are lights, not LCD screens.


Don't encourage him.

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Matte vs gloss.

Well here is what Popular Mechanics say:

"Each screen has its advantages and disadvantages, which is why manufacturers waver between the two. Glossy screens produce an image that's generally regarded as "richer." more color depth and vibrancy. On the downside, glossy screens are more susceptible to glare, reflecting light from windows and light bulbs. And they tend to show fingerprints and smudges more readily, especially when they are off.

Matte screens tend to handle glare better, due to a polarized coating over the glass that diffuses ambient light. A side effect of the matte finish is a slight blurring, reduced contrast and a narrower viewing angle.

Which is better is a matter of environment and personal preference. If the screen is in a room that's generally dark, consider a glossy finish. In a controlled environment it offers a best-case picture. But I wouldn't be too afraid of a matte finish. Most of us use our screens in mixed light where the minor qualitative difference is offset by the anti-reflective benefit."

In either case, why not have both. Power Support and Photodon, for example offer anti-glare films that can be quickly added or removed to suit the situation. Viewing photos, videos, graphic presentations, etc., nothing beats a gloss screen. Glare an issue, no problem. An option that only works if yours is a 'gloss' screen in the first place.

And if you are anything like our gloss- and matte-screened users in my previous agency, most of those that originally went for the mattes now wished they had the gloss, but not the other way around. Go figure.

My current Macbook Pro is matte. For client presentations, borrowed a gloss. Next one will definitely be gloss. Will probably get an anti-glare film to use were necessary. But just like the extra battery, modem, ethernet cable and security lock I bought for every portable, I will probably never use it.

I would also like to add, " very few people are actually bothered by the glare (usually very small) that may occur from a glossy screen. Once the screen is turned on, most of the glare is washed out from the even brighter image."* Something that one might consider even more so now with Apples new LED type screens.

Funny that most of us who have had or used a gloss screen are less concerned than those that have not, or more important those who have not even seen one. Just another note, before I made the decision to go with my matte Macbook Pro, I asked one of the staff which model was the most popular. Answer, "Gloss by far." I soon wished I had listened.

Ref. http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...re#post1244891