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post #241 of 384
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Originally Posted by ptysell View Post

These new offerings are a joke.

Has anyone here looked at the VAIOs? For something that weighs LESS and is SMALLER than an MacBook Air, they have managed to pack in a full array of ports into the TT series.

While the TT series does have a smaller LCD (11.1), Sony was able to pack in the following options that allude Apple:
VGA Port
HDMI Port
2x USB 2.0
4 Pin iLink (Firewire)
10/100/1000 Ethernet
SD Card Reader
ExpressCard32
Biometric Fingerprint Sensor
Microphone Jack

Oh did I forget IT HAS AN INTEGRATED BLU-RAY DRIVE?

Oh ya and it also has higher resolution screen.

How is it that Sony is able to fit all of this into a SMALLER package and Apple can't figure it out?

COME ON, THE NEW MODELS DON'T EVEN HAVE BLU-RAY.

The TT has all of those ports because its thicker than all of the MacBook offerings. Also uses a slower processor, slower FSB, slower graphics card. Which requires less room for heat dissipation.

The Blu-ray drive is tray loading. Apple only uses slot loading. BD drives require more DRM, are slower, and cost more.
post #242 of 384
I've been working on a glossy 24" iMac for the past 12 months. It took me five minutes - at most - to find the optimal position on my desk to minimise reflection from the window that I sit in front of. Then I simply arranged my clutter around the iMac. I have to actively look for reflections - they are there, just, but you simply don't notice them.

I love the screen, but would never expect to do professional grading on it. I think Steve is right, most people want the glossy screen, and the issue with reflections can be overcome/circumvented quite simply.

I like the new aesthetics of the mbp. there are pro's and con's spec-wise, but i don't see the point whining - work-arounds will be found for the shortcomings, whilst the positives are, well, positive.

hoping to see a 17"-er before too long...
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post #243 of 384
How much hotter do you guys think the 320 GB 7200 RPM drive will be compared to the 320 GB 5400 RPM drive? I was thinking it would be worth upgrading for $50, but I wanted to know how much hotter it will make it. Also, will it effect the battery life much?

Also, would the 2.8 ghz processor make it much hotter and effect the battery life as well? I wasn't going to upgrade to the 2.8 ghz processor, but I'm planning on using this computer for 4 years (until I get out of college).

I have to say, I'm pretty happy with this update. I've been waiting for this design change for over a year!

Thanks
post #244 of 384
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Originally Posted by kim kap sol View Post

I too am amazed that they're carving the MacBook and MacBook Pro cases as per the rumors. To me, I can't imagine this process being anything but expensive. The carved out metal cannot be used again unless extracted from the liquid, dried, cleaned, and melted back into a block.

Anyway, the new MacBooks seem great.

But what was Apple smoking when they designed the new display. I had a feeling that an iSight would be built-in if a new display was ever released. But speakers!?

Apple you're overloading the monitor with useless shit and making it artificially more expensive. Who at Apple had the bright idea of putting speakers instead of Front Row + remote support? Holy shit. I hate it when Apple puts out overloaded products that don't answer to any particular needs.

If this display is truly marketed towards MacBook users, why is there an iSight built-in? And if it isn't marketed towards MacBook users why the hell isn't Front Row support built-in?

Apple, if you actually care, you're going to make a display WITHOUT the iSight and speakers and put IR + remote in your stinkin' displays.

edit: alright, now I realize that Apple is marketing this display towards MacBook users since only these computers currently have DisplayPorts. This pretty much means that you're going from the MacBook's built-in iSight to the display's built-in iSight, and from the MacBook's tiny speakers to the display's tiny speakers. IS APPLE FUCKING DUMB!? Only numbskulls would buy a monitor with a price tag that is unnecessarily propped up by a second iSight and a second set of speakers. Fuck you, Apple. After all this wait, you slap everyone in the face with such a useless product.

Apple has completely lost touch with reality. With the economy going down the crapper, they're putting out products like the 24" display which looks like a very product until you see all the shit they tacked on to it like iSight, speakers, Magsafe power. Way to go, Apple...way to go.

They put the iSight in even though the MacBooks have iSight so that if you wish to use the MB in closed lid mode you can use the Cinema Display. That's why.
post #245 of 384
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Originally Posted by jawporta View Post

That's it, for the first time in 13 years as a Mac user I hate or cant afford all of their computers. I hate, HATE glass screens and I Hate HATE Glossy Screens. Now I have no choice except a Mac Pro which I can't afford. I hope my 2 year old MacBook Pro last long enough for me to figure out how to build my own laptop.

Fuck You Apple, You just lost me. I now feel the pain of your bull shit locked system.

Sorry you have to leave us now. So sad.
post #246 of 384
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

The Blu-ray drive is tray loading. Apple only uses slot loading. BD drives require more DRM, are slower, and cost more.

Slot-Load 12.7mm Notebook Blu-Ray drives came out before 2006. To get a laptop from Dell with slot notebook Blu-Ray drive it is an extra $250.

Blu-Ray drives DO NOT require more DRM. You can put a Blu-Ray drive in a Pismo (for 1k) if you want and it will still work. Now, to play a commercial Blu-Ray video disk, you may need additional DRM such as HDCP. DisplayPort supports HDCP. Viewing Blu-Ray as a video only technology is a VERY narrow perspective of the technology.
post #247 of 384
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Originally Posted by ptysell View Post

Slot-Load 12.7mm Notebook Blu-Ray drives came out before 2006. To get a laptop from Dell with slot notebook Blu-Ray drive it is an extra $250..


you need a slimmer drive than 12.7mm for an mbp, as has been stated over and over and over again in every disussion on this issue - that's why the first model didn't have a DL burner.

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Blu-Ray drives DO NOT require more DRM. You can put a Blu-Ray drive in a Pismo (for 1k) if you want and it will still work. Now, to play a commercial Blu-Ray video disk, you may need additional DRM such as HDCP. DisplayPort supports HDCP. Viewing Blu-Ray as a video only technology is a VERY narrow perspective of the technology.

lol. can you imagine the whining if apple included a blu-ray drive that couldn't play movies?!
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post #248 of 384
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Originally Posted by Marvin View Post

Steve: "A few of our customers prefer matte screens, but a vast majority (capital "V" on Vast) prefer glass because of brighter colors, etc."

This 'minority' is giving you a capital "V" right now. So that's Apple's mid-range desktop off my ever buying again in future list and their entire new laptop range. Ok so we're down to the Mac Pro and Mini.

You're in the minority. Deal.

In any case, he's right. The new MB is equivalent graphically to my MBP with X1600. It is a far better product for students than the old MB.
post #249 of 384
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Originally Posted by admactanium View Post

You're right. I seem to recall that all the Quantel boxes I saw back in the day had glossy screens in semi-dark rooms.

Ah Quantel. Dark rooms and Sony BVM CRT monitors were the rule. Broadcast monitors all had plain glass screens, no anti-glare. The engineers who designed those monitors knew that clear glass passed the most accurate image from the phosphors. The same would now be true of LCD displays as well. The dark rooms cut down on reflections and skewed color perception caused by unbalanced light sources in the room. The only proper way for the human eye to judge color is in a darkened room, with balanced light behind the monitor bounced off a neutral gray wall. Judging color under other conditions is not possible.

I was a Quantel Henry and Editbox artist for many years. I kind of miss those dark rooms.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

I'm amazed at how some people here who claim to be graphics professionals in some capacity or another, fail to know even the most basic of requirements.


Glossy monitors calibrate better than do matte models.

I'm amazed at your pretensions of knowledge because you are one of the only pretenders that I know who emphatically claims that glossy screens are actually superior in true-to-life color reproduction.

Take a gander at what real graphic professionals use before spouting off and telling us about the "good 'ole days" of glossy screens.

I wonder why IPS, professional panels are overwhelmingly matte and not glossy. Glossy is supposed to be superior, according to your condescending intellect, right? These idiots at Eizo haven't a clue at what they're doing. Please inform them!

Eizo white paper on glossy versus matte: http://www.eizo.com/support/wp/pdf/wp_07-001.pdf

Basically, according to Eizo, there is little difference between glossy and matte in DARK settings if the specs are identical. Eizo recommends MATTE for EDITING and glossy for WATCHING. This is an interesting recommendation
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post #251 of 384
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Originally Posted by applebook View Post

Basically, according to Eizo, there is little difference between glossy and matte in DARK settings if the specs are identical. Eizo recommends MATTE for EDITING and glossy for WATCHING. This is an interesting recommendation

So the question is if you, the reader, are going to listen to some unknown nobody who has posted 14,000+ times on an Apple rumor forum, or engineers and real graphic professionals who actually, um, make professional displays?

The choice is indeed difficult
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post #252 of 384
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Originally Posted by Rasmoose View Post

Hi.


However, one thing about the update bugs me: The Mini DisplayPort. I would so much rather have had a HDMI. But now that I haven't gotten that, what do I do, when I want to hook my MBP up to my Panasonic PZ85 plasma (42" 1080p)?

Is the Mini DisplayPort plug something Apple invented themselves? I would love to find a third-party Mini DisplayPort -> HDMI cable, instead of having to buy Apple's own Mini DisplayPort to DVI adapter (grr) and a DVI-HDMI cable.

Thanks in advance.

Rasmus

What's wrong with buying Apple's? At least you know it will be good quality, and that they guarantee it.

As for its being theirs, a good question.
post #253 of 384
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Originally Posted by OptionTrader View Post

Thanks. I have what is now called the i1Basic. So, can I safely assume that you do not have reflectivity issues or glass coatings "tricking" the spectrophotometer, or do you use a method to compensate for that. I have up to now avoided glossy displays.

No, there are no reflection problems. We used calibrators for glossy displays way back in prehistory, and had no problems then either.

The calibrator covers the part of the screen being read.
post #254 of 384
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Originally Posted by CLCook View Post


Any aren't more people outraged that the fact that if we purchase a new MBP, we have to pay another $99 for an adapter to use our 30-inch Apple Display.

No. Most people do not use external monitors with their laptops believe it or not.

Why penalize everyone for those who need it?

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Apple couldn't include the adapter for its high-end notebook line?

Everyone else is ok with the extra 99 bucks for an adapter that should be included?? 99 bucks???

Sure, Apple could have included itfor another $99.

What do you think, it should be free just because you don't want to pay for it?
post #255 of 384
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Originally Posted by dallas75205 View Post

I don't understand why Apple still does not offer Blu-Ray drives in their laptops or Imacs? I have a MBP that is about 3 years old and was hoping to buy the new model which was released today but was disappointed when I found out they were not going to be offered with Blu-Ray drives.

I don't get it. Does anyone know what's behind the thinking of this?

They gave that answer at the event today. Apparently, the licensing is a mess right now, and costs for the drives are too high.

So they say.

But they had no problem adding a $1,000 DVD recorder to my DigitalAudio model back in the early 2000's.

I think it's an excuse to put it off as long as possible.
post #256 of 384
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Originally Posted by rosstheboss View Post

NO F.I.R.E.W.I.R.E 4.0.0.

.....W.T.F?


How do i use my $2000 MOTU FW audio interface now?!

Ae you concerned about the loss of FW in the Macbooks, or the specific loss of a FW 400 port in the Macbook Pro?

If it's the former, that sucks. They should have left one in.

If it's the Pro, well, a FW 400 to 800 adapter cable will work fine.
post #257 of 384
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Why do you even bother trying to explain to these A*Holes on here that matte is better?

I don't appreciate that, and I'm sure neither do the rest.
post #258 of 384
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Originally Posted by SMacSteve View Post

They put the iSight in even though the MacBooks have iSight so that if you wish to use the MB in closed lid mode you can use the Cinema Display. That's why.

And because most purchasers will be using them with desktop machines.
post #259 of 384
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Originally Posted by applebook View Post

I'm amazed at your pretensions of knowledge because you are one of the only pretenders that I know who emphatically claims that glossy screens are actually superior in true-to-life color reproduction.

Take a gander at what real graphic professionals use before spouting off and telling us about the "good 'ole days" of glossy screens.

I wonder why IPS, professional panels are overwhelmingly matte and not glossy. Glossy is supposed to be superior, according to your condescending intellect, right? These idiots at Eizo haven't a clue at what they're doing. Please inform them!

Eizo white paper on glossy versus matte: http://www.eizo.com/support/wp/pdf/wp_07-001.pdf

Basically, according to Eizo, there is little difference between glossy and matte in DARK settings if the specs are identical. Eizo recommends MATTE for EDITING and glossy for WATCHING. This is an interesting recommendation

Not quite. It's an odd conclusion. They do state that glossy does have better color, contrast, blacks etc. It's even slightly better in a dark room!

Why you would WANT to edit with inferior specs is strange.

But you might also note that in its most critical, and most expensive line, the medical monitor line, they do use glossy.

Fact is, no one can do critical editing on a laptop in less than very good surrounding conditions. Better yet, you shouldn't do critical color work with a laptop at all. I don't know any pro who does.
post #260 of 384
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Originally Posted by applebook View Post

So the question is if you, the reader, are going to listen to some unknown nobody who has posted 14,000+ times on an Apple rumor forum, or engineers and real graphic professionals who actually, um, make professional displays?

The choice is indeed difficult

Enough is enough!
post #261 of 384
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I rue the day that I decided to buy Apple stock.

Don't blame Jobs or the company's management for the stock price. The stock has fallen 50% from its high point over the last year, but this was only because of completely absurd expectations from the street. Right now Apple's PE ratio would still make it markedly overpriced (It is 20, average is 14). When the stock was at 180, think of how much farther out of line PE ratio was. This is what was behind the sharp correction the stock has seen, which had very little to do with the fundamentals of the company or its future outlook. When I say the stock's PE still qualifies as overvalued, Apple is an extraordinary company which lots of "intangible" strengths that 99% of other companies don't have, so it will naturally trade at a premium. I didn't own apple stock before and don't control my own investments, but when it went under 95 I bought a very large amount.

Right now Apple has high quality earnings and revenue, a growing marketshare, and a large amount of cash on hand. The large amount of cash on hand will become a huge big advantage for apple as credit gets harder to obtain. Right now the world's central banks are stepping in and intervening massively, but sooner or later they will have to raise interest rates, and combines like apple with cash and good credit will have a big advantage relative to the competition. I think that over the next 5 years a large number PC makers are going to start going out of business or merge, as the recession cuts the least profitable companies. I'm guessing that a small number of very strong companies will survive, with Apple being dominant over high end consumers (apart from high end gamers). Someone else will develop to fill the netbook or budget market. Realistically, Apple is not well suited for this market, the thing that it offers consumers has never been something which can get a pretty good job done for less, it has been to offer the very best all in one package, which they keep stylishly updated with features that the ordinary person loves. You aren't going to find that in the sub 1k market.

Two things stood out from the keynote to me, first the graph showing their marketshare before and after switching to intel, and their 17% market unit share but 30% industry revenue share. What this says is that apple has extremely high profit margins, it sells a fewer number of computers but they can and do charge more than the competition, which relies on bulk. Because their products are so well designed and supported, people tend to keep them for a long time before buying a replacement, making it harder for Apple to match its competitors in sale, which is one of the reasons behind its historically trailing marketshare. This is good because over the next 10 years, the mbp line has a very small number of competitors. It is much easier to go out of business when you have low profit margins (if you sell cheap computers in bulk, a slight change can leave you treading water or losing money) and an inferior product (

The presentation is exactly right when it points to the inclusion of windows capability as helping lure consumers, and pointing to strength among students. College kids who have macs are going to stay apple consumers for a long time. I am a huge bear on the US market and a believe the recession we are about to go through is going to be bigger, more severe, and affect Americans in more painful ways than the public believes, but Apple is in beautiful shape right now. I am sorry buying Apple stock did not work out for you, but that is out of the company's control. The market overvalued apple precisely because it bought into the advantages and intangibles I wrote about, it just got carried away and set unrealistic growth expectations. It takes a lot of time to develop new iphones, mbps, operating systems, and get them right. So there is a long delay in releasing new products and increases in growth, and I think the market had not been accounting for this enough. I don't know if this is true but I would not be surprised at all if one of the downward forces was a sell off by funds who owned apple but had to sell because of redemption calls from their clients, which have happened at an unprecedented rate over the last 6 months. If a hedge fund has to sell an asset to return money to an investor, Apple would have been an excellent candidate because of its high PE.
post #262 of 384
Man are they ugly.

What in the world? Is this Apple? I suggest that Steve is currently operating in a silent mode right now allowing his understudy to run things as his health is obviously in bad shape. I do feel for him on a personal level. I can only pray for a miracle on his behalf. He is a man and he has a family.

On the notebook front, the specs are tech are very very good. the dual graphics option is really great. I like the class trackpad and the screen too. However, the way the black mixes with the rest of the notebook just looks cheap. It looks like a Toshiba or an HP.

I hope they refresh this design in a couple of years. It does not look fluid and integrated like before. The only reason I can see for this is that they will come out with anodized black aluminum at a premium price that will make it look proper and it will come out first on the MBP 17.

overrall, I am happey to see th eupgrades put Apple back on top of the notebook market all the way around, but very very sad to see the design direction. it works on the iMac and iPhone, but NOT on the these, unfortunately. This has got to be the first time i have truly been disappointed with apple design. I have not always agreed with it, but this just flies in the face of good aesthetics.
post #263 of 384
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Originally Posted by delany View Post

The old Macbooks did have Firewire, I think? So they were removed on the new ones. Not good - what are people with DV camcorders who want to use iMovie to do? This must be a big part of you average family MacBook usage.

And keeping the old MacBook at the low end looks like a rush move to placate expectations that the update would bring entry prices down significantly. In this environment Apple needed something solidly desirable but in the lower price range. The improvements here are too esoteric and the price remains too high.

Overall, it looks a bit rushed and ill-thought-out to me, despite some interesting specifics.

Good the price is high. Keeps it out of the hands of Morons. I wish they had done the same with the iPhone 3G.
post #264 of 384
Why did the hard drive suddenly become easily accessible? Weren't Mac zealots arguing that ease of access does not matter? That making the insides easier to access would weaken the case and make the laptop thicker? But now Apple is saying that the new MacBook Pro case is thinner and stronger than before. So what happened here? Does this mean Apple made you all look like idiots?

There will be no video iPod. Nobody wants a video iPod.

Apple will not make cell phones.

Apple will never switch to Intel processors.
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

I agree. for laptops, you just need to open the display at 90 degrees while facing you to avoid glare. Always worked for me.

The mentality of people posting comments such as this are becoming unnerving.

Matte screens had no glare issues, these mirror finish displays have huge glare issues which are acknowledged by everyone, yet you and offer a work around to a problem that was introduced. You tell us the glare is no problem but you tell us in the same line that you always just move the display to avoid the glare. So which is it? Why do you bother moving if the glare is not a problem? Do you people not consider closing the blinds in a room when the TV has reflections and glare on obstructing the picture? Why do they make home theatre rooms without windows?

You people are making zero sense.

Ill have a matte display to begin with then I won't have problems with reflections and thus I wont have to reconfigure my work area to avoid them. talk about having your headz up your a$$'s
post #266 of 384
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Enough is enough!

Yes I agree, that should be enough from you!!! You have embarrassed yourself enough in this thread. I don't think you're a professional at anything you have claimed to be in this thread. Is it possible to set you to ignore on this forum?
post #267 of 384
It doesn't say it anywhere in the Apple website, but I have actually learned that the glass layer of the screen is fully removable. See here for details: http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/...LDRICH/Z136441

But come on people. NO BLU-RAY? NO HDMI OUT?!?!?!?! NO FIREWIRE 400?!?!?!?! ONLY TWO USB PORTS *AGAIN*??!?!?!!??!?!??!?!!??!?! NO TRUE 8-BIT-PER-CHANNEL LCD PANEL, NOT EVEN AS AN OPTION?!?!?!?!?!??! ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And two GPUs... BUT YOU CAN ONLY USE ONE AT A TIME?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!?!??!?!?!??!?!??!

Do they still sell bullets at Walmart? Because I'm going to SHOOT MYSELF IN THE FING HEAD
post #268 of 384
OH BUT ... don't you realize that they had to make these new MacBook Pros crappy because, frankly, everyone like me who just found out that their NVIDIA 8600M GT model WAS DEFECTIVE FROM DAY 1.. it obviates the potential problem of us demanding replacement units of the new one, since why WHY would we ever trade a matte screen unit for that crap?
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

They gave that answer at the event today. Apparently, the licensing is a mess right now, and costs for the drives are too high.

So they say.

But they had no problem adding a $1,000 DVD recorder to my DigitalAudio model back in the early 2000's.

I think it's an excuse to put it off as long as possible.


BULL S***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Apple *used* to be the market leader when it came to cutting edge technologies. Now they are seriously lagging behind. Lenovo has the only laptop with 24-bit color screen. HP has one with a gorgeous 18" display.
Sony has laptops with Blu-Ray and some which are ultra-portable (much smaller than MacBook Air).

I'm going to go wash the puke out of my mouth.
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Originally Posted by Targon View Post

Yes I agree, that should be enough from you!!! You have embarrassed yourself enough in this thread. I don't think you're a professional at anything you have claimed to be in this thread. Is it possible to set you to ignore on this forum?

Yes, you can. Please do so, and cut yourself off as well.
post #271 of 384
Anyone know if you can put 8gig in with 2 4gig chips?
post #272 of 384
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

They gave that answer at the event today. Apparently, the licensing is a mess right now, and costs for the drives are too high.

So they say.

But they had no problem adding a $1,000 DVD recorder to my DigitalAudio model back in the early 2000's.

I think it's an excuse to put it off as long as possible.

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Originally Posted by jezThomp View Post

Anyone know if you can put 8gig in with 2 4gig chips?

Yes, I know.




You can't.
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

Actually, your only chance of color accuracy for print is to use a prepress quality ISP display like Eizo - not even the 30 inch Cinema Display is adequate, so it certainly doesn't given reason that a matte or a glossy notebook display would be used for such purposes.

I was going to say the exact same thing regarding a Barco or Eizo display for "PRO" graphics work. Using any and all displays on any and all laptops as your primary monitor is NOT working as a professional.

With that said, I must agree though that Apple has made many a mistake with this upgrade and lack of professional users in mind. We've paid hefty prices for pro solutions, and have kept Apple in business since day one. The consumer market has inevitably taken over our major role in the health of Apple these days... but to disregard us and our needs and wishes completely, is nothing less than spitting on us.

Why is it that it seems of late that professional graphic/photo and design professionals are getting thoroughly screwed over from all directions? You can't work (seriously) on a Winbox (let's get that outa the way completely!). Adobe can't get their software together intelligently and at a sane price point, and refuses to build 64 bit aps for the Mac 'til who knows when.

Now Apple decides to start taking away standards that THEY created or originally championed, such as FW, Gigabit Ethernet(MBA), and matte screen options for Pros, knowing that gloss is not a Pro option regarding color accuracy, even if you are only using it at a client's and don't have a pro calibrated display available.

Maybe I should look into changing my profession I guess. Perhaps a Financial ANAL-cyst, since you can get bailed out by the govt. if you make the wrong choices... or just skip to the Bahamas to savor a cocktail... where (a) glass and glossy tans is a good thing.
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post #274 of 384
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Originally Posted by jezThomp View Post

Anyone know if you can put 8gig in with 2 4gig chips?

Uh, interresting question (if you are talking about RAM). I'm quite interested in hearing this as well

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Originally Posted by Rasmoose View Post

Hi.

I am quite happy with the update, and in fact, I have just ordered my first MBP. YAY! Can't wait for it to arrive The order confirmation said it would be shipped in eight days, however, the estimated delivery date was November 3rd og 4th. Hope they aren't going to need a week to ship it from Ireland to Denmark :-|

However, one thing about the update bugs me: The Mini DisplayPort. I would so much rather have had a HDMI. But now that I haven't gotten that, what do I do, when I want to hook my MBP up to my Panasonic PZ85 plasma (42" 1080p)?

Is the Mini DisplayPort plug something Apple invented themselves? I would love to find a third-party Mini DisplayPort -> HDMI cable, instead of having to buy Apple's own Mini DisplayPort to DVI adapter (grr) and a DVI-HDMI cable.

Can anyone answer this question?

Cheers.
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Originally Posted by Rasmoose View Post

Uh, interresting question (if you are talking about RAM). I'm quite interested in hearing this as well



Can anyone answer this question?

Cheers.

Well you can buy a Miniport -> DVI adapter when you buy your MacBook Pro ($29 option.. this sort of thing used to *come with* a Macbook Pro.. oh well!!). Then get a DVI -> HDMI adapter. Chain 'em.

Someone prolly makes a Miniport -> HDMI adapter.. though it wasn't immediately googleable. If it's not out yet, it's short in coming.

I do like the solid block of aluminum that the new MBP is made from. That way I can flog the Apple store people with it until its glass screen and trackpad break.

Don't they realize this is a terrorist threat? A terrorist could take it on the plane, break the glass screen into sharp pieces and hijack the plane with it??
post #276 of 384
No matter how its built , end result looks sub $1000 shiny Fujitsu crap. I'm sorry but there's no way i'm replacing my macbook pro with this shiny contraption. They better not scrap mac pro cuz that's the only mac that's worth its name.

and the cost ??? dual dvi adapter 100 bucks .. really ? someone forgot to mention that. remote , another extra $20 ? What's next ? If i want it in a box , is it gonna be another $10 ?
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Originally Posted by darkgoob View Post

Well you can buy a Miniport -> DVI adapter when you buy your MacBook Pro ($29 option.. this sort of thing used to *come with* a Macbook Pro.. oh well!!). Then get a DVI -> HDMI adapter. Chain 'em.

Yep, I know that I can do that But (like you, it seems), I refuse to let Apple earn money on that adapter. Also, I would prefer not to connect cables to each other, I have enough spaghetti as it is
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Someone prolly makes a Miniport -> HDMI adapter.. though it wasn't immediately googleable. If it's not out yet, it's short in coming.

I hope you're right, that's exactly the kind of cable I'm looking for.

But is the Mini DisplayPort something Apple invented themselves, and thus something third party companies would have a hard time making a cable for, or what?

Thanks for your reply

Rasmus
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Not quite. It's an odd conclusion. They do state that glossy does have better color, contrast, blacks etc. It's even slightly better in a dark room!

Why you would WANT to edit with inferior specs is strange.

But you might also note that in its most critical, and most expensive line, the medical monitor line, they do use glossy.

Fact is, no one can do critical editing on a laptop in less than very good surrounding conditions. Better yet, you shouldn't do critical color work with a laptop at all. I don't know any pro who does.

It's a perfectly logical conclusion. Nowhere does Eizo say that the color is better on glossy displays in a dark room; Eizo claims that given equivalent specs, the reproduction is roughly even, and since this is true, then why use glossy at all? Eizo says that glossy displays can LOOK more vibrant, not that they are more color accurate. Glossy displays have a tendency to crush blacks and make subtle shades look all too dark. This is fine for movie viewing (hence, why Eizo recommends glossy for watching films), but not acceptable for graphics editing.

Medical monitors are designed for a completely different purpose, with different features in mind, but you're bringing them up why?

Of course pros should not use their laptops' LCDs for careful work. This is not my point. My only point is that you, the resident genius, are dead wrong about glossy displays being better overall image quality.

BTW, your contention about the olden days when pros used glossy displays exclusively makes little historical sense since CRTs were the norm back then. A "glossy" CRT is a completely different beast to glossy LCDs.

Despite your cynicism, pro matte LCDs from quality makers like Eizo are not "worse" than they used to be back in the golden age.
32" Sharp AQUOS (1080p) > 13" MacBook Pro 2.26GHz. 4Gb RAM . 32Gb Corsair Nova SSD >>> 500Gb HDD
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32" Sharp AQUOS (1080p) > 13" MacBook Pro 2.26GHz. 4Gb RAM . 32Gb Corsair Nova SSD >>> 500Gb HDD
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Originally Posted by Haggar View Post

Why did the hard drive suddenly become easily accessible? Weren't Mac zealots arguing that ease of access does not matter? That making the insides easier to access would weaken the case and make the laptop thicker? But now Apple is saying that the new MacBook Pro case is thinner and stronger than before. So what happened here? Does this mean Apple made you all look like idiots?

Hey, I'm as big a Mac fan as any other, and I was never arguing that the hard drive shouldn't be easily accessible.

I still love my Pismo. Upgradable hard drive, RAM, Airport card, optical drive and even processor!

Amorya
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So I have been waiting months to buy a new computer, and hearing all of you fools do nothing than just bitch about Apple is pretty funny. If you hate them so much, for not catering to your specific needs (which will NEVER HAPPEN), then just switch over to Windows and stop complaining. Enjoy the BS that Windows offers. Especially you there, Melgross, you need to get out of the house and find a life. 14,000+ posts? That's almost as bad as an addiction to World of Warcraft, ignoring your husband/wife and kids for the sake of people that you will likely never meet. You disgust me.
Enough of that. Personally, like I said, I have been waiting months for this announcement because my Powerbook is just not cutting it anymore. I will check these out when I get back into the States, and if they look good, buy one.
15" 2.3 GHz i7, 8 GB RAM, Unibody Macbook Pro

iPhone 5 (Slate, 64 GB) [au by KDDI, Japan] (I'm going Docomo with the iPhone 6!)
iPad Air (Wifi, 32 GB)
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15" 2.3 GHz i7, 8 GB RAM, Unibody Macbook Pro

iPhone 5 (Slate, 64 GB) [au by KDDI, Japan] (I'm going Docomo with the iPhone 6!)
iPad Air (Wifi, 32 GB)
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