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post #81 of 384
Are these new unibody designed lappys being made by Apple in the USA or by Asian 3rd-parties?
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post #82 of 384
If $$ was equal....would you prefer a new MB 2.4 or an old MBP 2.5 (with the 512MB video) ? Which would perform better graphics-wise if I wanted to play games? The newer NVIDIA card with less memory or the older one with more memory?

I know a major difference to consider is screen size as well.
post #83 of 384
I rue the day that I decided to buy Apple stock.

The pros are faster graphics performance and the glass touchpad with integrated click. These are nice features, but they do not come close to compensating for the cons, which Ill get to.

From an investors standpoint, this is simply an unmitigated disaster. MacBooks are not competitive with PC notebooks for the simple reason that they are a lot more expensive. To improve market share, Apple needed to find ways to lower the cost of the MacBooks, not make them more expensive. I shudder to think of the number of CNC machines that will have to be devoted full-time to churning these things out, and the cost to purchase or lease those ultra-expensive machines. It boggles my mind. Instead of finding ways to reduce cost, they instead did something that inordinately increased the manufacturing cost! This does not make a whit of sense! I just cant believe that Jobs allowed this to happen. It is apparent to me that it is not his physical health that people ought to be worried about, but rather his mental health.

The touchpad is no doubt going to be nice, BUT WHAT SENSE DOES IT MAKE TO PUT SO MUCH EMPHASIS ON THE TOUCHPAD AND THEN USE A KEYBOARD AS LOUSY AS THIS? It does not make a whit of sense. Given a decent mouse, I can do without the touchpad altogether. I cannot do with the keyboard, and I need one that at the very least allows me to sense the individual keys with my fingertips. Every time that I have tried to use one of these keyboards that have flat, smooth upper surfaces on the keys, I have found them to be essentially dysfunctional. I cannot type on them, because I cannot sense the individual keys with my fingertips. In all likelihood, the tactile sensation will be reduced to the dull thud that occurs when the key hits bottom, the same as the keyboards that were introduced with the present iMac, which are the one of the worst keyboards ever.

And just as AppleInsider warned, the new 15 MacBook Pro is not available with an anti-glare screen, and this simply sucks. Previously, the significant advantages of the MacBook Pro over the MacBook included the fact that with the Pro, you could get an anti-glare screen and you got a much better keyboard. Those differences are now gone. The new MacBook Pro is now really just a souped up version of the MacBook, and that sucks. The 15 MacBook Pro is gone. It remains to be seen whether they are going to similarly screw up the 17 MacBook Pro, but Im not going to pay as much as they intend to charge for it anyway, so that is moot.

I can order a new Lenovo notebook running Microsofts crappy operating system for about half of what a comparable MacBook costs, with a truly professional keyboard and an anti-glare screen. Or, I can buy a new MacBook with an operating system that is better but still fundamentally flawed, but with a crappy keyboard and a screen that reflects background light. The Apple OS is flawed because the size of system fonts is fully determined by the screen resolution and the screen size. There is no way for the user to vary the scaling for system fonts except by setting the screen resolution to something other than the screens native resolution.

Instead of fixing things that needed fixing and finding ways to lower manufacturing costs, Apple did not fix anything that needed to be fixed and instead did the one thing that they could do to make certain that there would be no way, no how that there computers would be cost competitive with other notebook computers, and to add insult to injury, they diminished the quality of the screen and the quality of the keyboard. I am fuming. If a stockholder vote were taken today on whether Jobs should be fired, I would not hesitate for one second to vote to fire him.
post #84 of 384
Thanks for addressing some of my concerns.

After hearing this news I thought maybe i should be considering the MB instead of the MBP. However, no Firewire (which i would assume is super important for video editing) and the CPUs are up to .5 Ghz slower. How important is all that? Could I get a MB instead of MBP and have a quality comp for several years as my photography grows etc.?

I just hate coming in on the low end of features when i want the computer to last for a long while.

FYI: The majority of my data will be stored on an external drive.
post #85 of 384
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

That's what I thought too. Maybe this is what that shareholder conference call was about, reducing margins because of something that noone else can compete with. This isn't like the old metal cases which can be stamped, probably in one hit, with very little scrap or chips, or plastic which can be injected in seconds with only a tiny bit of scrap. It would seem that the extra machining cost is more expensive than the savings due to parts reductions.

In addition, they must now separate out the metal from the slurry. In the Ars event coverage they showed the high pressure machining I was talking about.

This is tough! The metal will become impregnated with the slurry on a microscopic level, and can't be reused easily. Extra steps are required for recovery. The slurry can't be easily reused either, because after use, it's not the same screen size any more (fineness), nor is it of an even screen size. More work.

I don't understand why this would be considered to be more environmentally sound. Assuming it is.
post #86 of 384
Someone on gizmodo said it best.

Apple is now the Bang & Olufsen of computers.

Apple needed to reduce the price of their computers in the current financial climate. Instead they have got more expensive. Faster memory and decent graphics are offset by slower CPUs. Never mind losing Firewire.

I don't mind the slower CPUs, if it means cheaper laptops that are competitive with the laptops that other manufacturers make. Apple is only competitive in the boutique market.
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Originally Posted by rune66 View Post

Well good for you. It's apparent that you must be half blind.

Classy response.
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I love how you think that everyone can control the environment that they work in... back in the real world...

Despite what some of you think, matte is no answer.
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Not only graphic designers-Have you ever tried crunching numbers on a glossy? Talk about headache inducing.

Reading text on a glossy screen is an exercise in self-loathing. Precision page layout is also an excruciating task on a glossy monitor.

Has anyone else noticed that many 3rd party photos of the Macbooks and Cinema displays feature reflections of camera crews and bystanders? Those pics say a lot.

No matte screen option? No problem, I'll buy a Lenovo and install OS X on that. It is surprisingly easy to do and I'll save about $600 in the process.
post #90 of 384
I guess Apple has forgotten about firewire ports. As with the first 15" MBP they have only one port. That's the reason I have not upgraded from a PB G4 to a MBP. If the earlier MBP had been updated with the 1066 FSB and 1066 DDR3 memory and graphics crads, etc. that would be a dream system. I NEED the two firewire ports. I guess I'll have to wait and see if Apple does as they did with first couple of revisions of the 15" MBP and adds the second firewire port, or look into one of the last versios that have two firwire ports, or wait to see what happens with the 17" MBP. No firewire port at all on the Macbook is stupid. USB still isn't as fast as Firwire, period. Almost all of the digital video camcorders still use firwire to connect to a computer, DVD recorder etc.
post #91 of 384
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Originally Posted by rgraphix View Post

As a Graphic Designer you should be aware that glossy displays saturate colors. Not to mention that with the overpowered LED that they mentioned will totally screw any chance of having color accuracy when it comes to print design. STEVE JOBS IS RETARDED! PERIOD, EXCLAMATION!

Looking at any image on a matte screen is looking at your image through a layer of diffusion. How can you ever say that doing so could ever give better image quality? It's like holding up a piece of wax paper over your screen!

The assumption that matte screens give better colour rendition is flawed as well, you think that glossy screens over saturate colours, but fail to recognize that matte screens probably mute colours, therefore giving incorrect colour rendition as well.

Colour rendition is secondary, in my experience printed material never looks as good as on the screen, matte or glossy, so using an inferior display and saying it's better or is as dull as print is counter productive. What is more important is the sharpness and clarity of the display. Since switching to a glossy display I have gone back and looked at some of my past wedding jobs and realized I have given out images to clients that were actually out of focus because on my matte screen they looked sharp. The matte coatings cause a diffusion effect that you get used to and it can actually cause the viewer to thing a soft picture is actually sharp.

The argument that the glossy screens have over saturated colours makes it sound like all pictures are so over saturated you can't even tell what they are. The over saturation is not bad at all, in fact I don't thing glossy screens are over saturated I think matte screens are under saturated.

I applaud apple for being bold enough to change their products to a higher quality display, instead of caving to all the whiners who think they know what theyre talking about.
post #92 of 384
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Originally Posted by kaiser_soze View Post

I rue the day that I decided to buy Apple stock.

The pros are faster graphics performance and the glass touchpad with integrated click. These are nice features, but they do not come close to compensating for the cons, which Ill get to.

From an investors standpoint, this is simply an unmitigated disaster. MacBooks are not competitive with PC notebooks for the simple reason that they are a lot more expensive. To improve market share, Apple needed to find ways to lower the cost of the MacBooks, not make them more expensive. I shudder to think of the number of CNC machines that will have to be devoted full-time to churning these things out, and the cost to purchase or lease those ultra-expensive machines. It boggles my mind. Instead of finding ways to reduce cost, they instead did something that inordinately increased the manufacturing cost! This does not make a whit of sense! I just cant believe that Jobs allowed this to happen. It is apparent to me that it is not his physical health that people ought to be worried about, but rather his mental health.

The touchpad is no doubt going to be nice, BUT WHAT SENSE DOES IT MAKE TO PUT SO MUCH EMPHASIS ON THE TOUCHPAD AND THEN USE A KEYBOARD AS LOUSY AS THIS? It does not make a whit of sense. Given a decent mouse, I can do without the touchpad altogether. I cannot do with the keyboard, and I need one that at the very least allows me to sense the individual keys with my fingertips. Every time that I have tried to use one of these keyboards that have flat, smooth upper surfaces on the keys, I have found them to be essentially dysfunctional. I cannot type on them, because I cannot sense the individual keys with my fingertips. In all likelihood, the tactile sensation will be reduced to the dull thud that occurs when the key hits bottom, the same as the keyboards that were introduced with the present iMac, which are the one of the worst keyboards ever.

And just as AppleInsider warned, the new 15 MacBook Pro is not available with an anti-glare screen, and this simply sucks. Previously, the significant advantages of the MacBook Pro over the MacBook included the fact that with the Pro, you could get an anti-glare screen and you got a much better keyboard. Those differences are now gone. The new MacBook Pro is now really just a souped up version of the MacBook, and that sucks. The 15 MacBook Pro is gone. It remains to be seen whether they are going to similarly screw up the 17 MacBook Pro, but Im not going to pay as much as they intend to charge for it anyway, so that is moot.

I can order a new Lenovo notebook running Microsofts crappy operating system for about half of what a comparable MacBook costs, with a truly professional keyboard and an anti-glare screen. Or, I can buy a new MacBook with an operating system that is better but still fundamentally flawed, but with a crappy keyboard and a screen that reflects background light. The Apple OS is flawed because the size of system fonts is fully determined by the screen resolution and the screen size. There is no way for the user to vary the scaling for system fonts except by setting the screen resolution to something other than the screens native resolution.

Instead of fixing things that needed fixing and finding ways to lower manufacturing costs, Apple did not fix anything that needed to be fixed and instead did the one thing that they could do to make certain that there would be no way, no how that there computers would be cost competitive with other notebook computers, and to add insult to injury, they diminished the quality of the screen and the quality of the keyboard. I am fuming. If a stockholder vote were taken today on whether Jobs should be fired, I would not hesitate for one second to vote to fire him.

Methinks the kool-aid formula has been tampered with.
post #93 of 384
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Originally Posted by rune66 View Post

Well good for you. It's apparent that you must be half blind.

Or the other way around.
post #94 of 384
I guess Apple has forgotten about firewire ports. As with the first 15" MBP they have only one port. That's the reason I have not upgraded from a PB G4 to a MBP. If the earlier MBP had been updated with the 1066 FSB and 1066 DDR3 memory and graphics crads, etc. that would be a dream system. I NEED the two firewire ports. I guess I'll have to wait and see if Apple does as they did with first couple of revisions of the 15" MBP and adds the second firewire port, or look into one of the last versios that have two firwire ports, or wait to see what happens with the 17" MBP. No firewire port at all on the Macbook is stupid. USB still isn't as fast as Firwire, period. Almost all of the digital video camcorders still use firwire to connect to a computer, DVD recorder etc.
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Originally Posted by Adam Venier View Post

You can use FW400 with the FW800 port.

You got that post messed up.

I didn't say that.
post #96 of 384
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Originally Posted by Hattig View Post

Well I've just seen the pricing in the UK, and I'm afraid that a MacBook to replace my iBook is now totally off the todo list.

The new MacBooks are £949 and £1149. That's $1,654 and £2,003. Sure, take off tax ... $1408 and $1705.

That's silly..

One, given the 17.5% VAT in the UK, that's more like $1360 and $1650. Second, distribution and retailing costs are much higher in the UK compared to the US, given the 'social costs' that businesses must bear. Three, there's exchange rate uncertainty that needs to be factored in: if the dollar continues to appreciate (as it has in the past few months), Apple's margins will fall, and it makes sense to protect against that.
post #97 of 384
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Originally Posted by kaiser_soze View Post

I rue the day that I decided to buy Apple stock.

{long rant}

I've looked through some of your recent posts, and you're an amazingly angry guy. Don't take Apple's business decisions so personally. Feel free to vote with your dollars if you do not like it.
post #98 of 384
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Originally Posted by rgraphix View Post

As a Graphic Designer you should be aware that glossy displays saturate colors. Not to mention that with the overpowered LED that they mentioned will totally screw any chance of having color accuracy when it comes to print design.


Actually, your only chance of color accuracy for print is to use a prepress quality ISP display like Eizo - not even the 30 inch Cinema Display is adequate, so it certainly doesn't given reason that a matte or a glossy notebook display would be used for such purposes.

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post #99 of 384
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

That's silly..

One, given the 17.5% VAT in the UK, that's more like $1360 and $1650. Second, distribution and retailing costs are much higher in the UK compared to the US, given the 'social costs' that businesses must bear. Three, there's exchange rate uncertainty that needs to be factored in: if the dollar continues to appreciate (as it has in the past few months), Apple's margins will fall, and it makes sense to protect against that.

1. I took tax into account already, can't you read?

2. This pretty much prices Apple out of the UK. Well done Apple!
post #100 of 384
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Originally Posted by kaiser_soze View Post

I rue the day that I decided to buy Apple stock.

The pros are faster graphics performance and the glass touchpad with integrated click. These are nice features, but they do not come close to compensating for the cons, which Ill get to.

From an investors standpoint, this is simply an unmitigated disaster. MacBooks are not competitive with PC notebooks for the simple reason that they are a lot more expensive. To improve market share, Apple needed to find ways to lower the cost of the MacBooks, not make them more expensive. I shudder to think of the number of CNC machines that will have to be devoted full-time to churning these things out, and the cost to purchase or lease those ultra-expensive machines. It boggles my mind. Instead of finding ways to reduce cost, they instead did something that inordinately increased the manufacturing cost! This does not make a whit of sense! I just cant believe that Jobs allowed this to happen. It is apparent to me that it is not his physical health that people ought to be worried about, but rather his mental health.

The touchpad is no doubt going to be nice, BUT WHAT SENSE DOES IT MAKE TO PUT SO MUCH EMPHASIS ON THE TOUCHPAD AND THEN USE A KEYBOARD AS LOUSY AS THIS? It does not make a whit of sense. Given a decent mouse, I can do without the touchpad altogether. I cannot do with the keyboard, and I need one that at the very least allows me to sense the individual keys with my fingertips. Every time that I have tried to use one of these keyboards that have flat, smooth upper surfaces on the keys, I have found them to be essentially dysfunctional. I cannot type on them, because I cannot sense the individual keys with my fingertips. In all likelihood, the tactile sensation will be reduced to the dull thud that occurs when the key hits bottom, the same as the keyboards that were introduced with the present iMac, which are the one of the worst keyboards ever.

And just as AppleInsider warned, the new 15 MacBook Pro is not available with an anti-glare screen, and this simply sucks. Previously, the significant advantages of the MacBook Pro over the MacBook included the fact that with the Pro, you could get an anti-glare screen and you got a much better keyboard. Those differences are now gone. The new MacBook Pro is now really just a souped up version of the MacBook, and that sucks. The 15 MacBook Pro is gone. It remains to be seen whether they are going to similarly screw up the 17 MacBook Pro, but Im not going to pay as much as they intend to charge for it anyway, so that is moot.

I can order a new Lenovo notebook running Microsofts crappy operating system for about half of what a comparable MacBook costs, with a truly professional keyboard and an anti-glare screen. Or, I can buy a new MacBook with an operating system that is better but still fundamentally flawed, but with a crappy keyboard and a screen that reflects background light. The Apple OS is flawed because the size of system fonts is fully determined by the screen resolution and the screen size. There is no way for the user to vary the scaling for system fonts except by setting the screen resolution to something other than the screens native resolution.

Instead of fixing things that needed fixing and finding ways to lower manufacturing costs, Apple did not fix anything that needed to be fixed and instead did the one thing that they could do to make certain that there would be no way, no how that there computers would be cost competitive with other notebook computers, and to add insult to injury, they diminished the quality of the screen and the quality of the keyboard. I am fuming. If a stockholder vote were taken today on whether Jobs should be fired, I would not hesitate for one second to vote to fire him.

Being the professional that you are, would you not agree that the new Macbooks are better than the eight year old Sony tower PC, that you are using now?
post #101 of 384
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Originally Posted by briggs View Post

If $$ was equal....would you prefer a new MB 2.4 or an old MBP 2.5 (with the 512MB video) ? Which would perform better graphics-wise if I wanted to play games? The newer NVIDIA card with less memory or the older one with more memory?

I know a major difference to consider is screen size as well.

If your looking to play future/current high end games, the MBP is really the only way to go. The new NVIDIA integrated card will do wonders for current average games. Gizmodo tried out Spore on it and they said it ran decently enough. As for screen size, you really can't beat the 15". It is great for opening up two separate documents, or webpages, or pictures, all side by side. Not having to flip between applications is a huge benefit.

Ultimately, you should decide yourself. Personally I'm going to sell my current 15" 2.5 MBP. I bought it in March, so it's still quite new, and now I'm looking at getting a new MBP.

If anyone's interested in purchasing a new MBP...
post #102 of 384
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Nonsense! My wife and daughter both have 24" glass iMacs. The images from those screens are by far the best Apple ever offered. Neither has reflection problems.

Don't you guys get it?

If it's good enough for Mel's wife & kids, then it's good enough for you!

Mandatory glossy screen.

One less FW port.

Apple should just end the charade, and stop using the word "Pro" in their laptop line.
post #103 of 384
Here's a nice little comparison between a matte and glossy display. As you can see, the glossy display has by far the most distracting reflections, where you can see the top of the lamp very clearly. All you get in the matte display is a slodge of light from behind (at the top centre). This is much less distracting than being able to clearly see what is behind you!

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Originally Posted by jawporta View Post

That's it, for the first time in 13 years as a Mac user I hate or cant afford all of their computers. I hate, HATE glass screens and I Hate HATE Glossy Screens. Now I have no choice except a Mac Pro which I can't afford. I hope my 2 year old MacBook Pro last long enough for me to figure out how to build my own laptop.

Fuck You Apple, You just lost me. I now feel the pain of your bull shit locked system.

You should give the glossy screens a chance. I was negative towrds them at first too, but change is always difficult, even when it's for the best. Now I can't stand Matte screens.
post #105 of 384
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Originally Posted by webhead View Post

You should give the glossy screens a chance. I was negative towrds them at first too, but change is always difficult, even when it's for the best. Now I can't stand Matte screens.

I agree completely, same story. I love my glossy screen. Never have I thought, man I just wish that glare was gone. Why? Because it either isn't there or the glare is washed out by the awesome colors coming out of the screen.
post #106 of 384
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Originally Posted by Hattig View Post

Apple needed to reduce the price of their computers in the current financial climate.

Do you have a forecast for how long the "current financial climate" will last? Two weeks? Two months? Two years? What should Apple price for?

More important, there's Econ 101: On the demand front, why should Apple lower prices when they are growing much faster than the market, and they're gaining significant share in laptops at current prices? On the supply front, why shouldn't Apple seek to recoup some of the R&D -- and other fixed costs -- from its major retooling of the production process, the glass touchpad etc?

Finally, it is easier to set a higher price initially and subsequently lower it, than do the reverse.
post #107 of 384
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Originally Posted by Messiah View Post

Glossy displays are CAPABLE of producing a more accurate representation of the information than matte displays - in lab conditions.

Yes.

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But matte displays are more likely to produce a more accurate representation in the real world, because of the reflections on a glossy display.

No.

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Then there is the issue of placing a sheet of glass between the panel and the user. A piece of glass whose sole purpose (in the iMac at least) is designed to 'enhance' the picture quality. It's this 'enhancement' that makes the iMac's glassy-glossy display doubly unsuitable for colour repro.

No.

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I have yet to meet an artworker (whom I respect) that prefers glossy over matte in a work environment. I do however know dozens who will avoid glossy displays at all costs. I know of one artworker in particular who threatened to walk out if the IT department forced him to use a new glassy-glossy iMac.

There have been few glossy monitors for a while in the higher graphics ranges. All the top graphics monitors used to be glossy. No professional working at those levels would have accepted a matte display.

But now people are used to lower quality displays, as well as matte at the high end.

I would have fired that "artworker", whatever that term means, from my company if he did that.

Besides, we wouldn't have used iMacs for that purpose, even though the new 24" iMac has a VERY good screen. Wherever (s)he works, it cant be a very high quality place if they wont use higher grade machines.

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And a lot of us don't have the choice of where we work or how it's lit. I'm a freelancer, so I turn up and get told where to sit and that's it. And now, thanks to Apple we don't have the choice of a matte display laptop either.

I still see very few problems. moving the display a small bit one way or the other is easily done without much fuss. If the lighting is really that terrible, then matte displays won't help either because of the other problems with them I mentioned.

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My ideal kit was a 17" high res. matte MacBook Pro, with a matte Cinema Display at each location. Looks like I'll be spending my money on something else!

Fair enough.
post #108 of 384
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Originally Posted by Hattig View Post

1. I took tax into account already, can't you read?

2. This pretty much prices Apple out of the UK. Well done Apple!

It must you who really can't read (or, for that matter, do arithmetic). You may wish to recalculate for yourself what 82.5% of your own VAT-included numbers are.

(Oh, and then, there are those two additional points I made, about distribution/retailing costs, and exchange rate effects.)
post #109 of 384
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Originally Posted by kaiser_soze

The touchpad is no doubt going to be nice, BUT WHAT SENSE DOES IT MAKE TO PUT SO MUCH EMPHASIS ON THE TOUCHPAD AND THEN USE A KEYBOARD AS LOUSY AS THIS? It does not make a whit of sense.

It's funny cause having had a loan of an older MacBook Pro with the last keyboard for a couple of days, put me off buying one. And trying out the Air helped me figure out why. The new black keyboard is around (and this is no scientific measurement) 64 times better. I absolutely hate the silver MacBook Pro keyboard, with a passion!!!

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post #110 of 384
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Originally Posted by jawporta View Post

That's it, for the first time in 13 years as a Mac user I hate or cant afford all of their computers. I hate, HATE glass screens and I Hate HATE Glossy Screens. Now I have no choice except a Mac Pro which I can't afford. I hope my 2 year old MacBook Pro last long enough for me to figure out how to build my own laptop.

Fuck You Apple, You just lost me. I now feel the pain of your bull shit locked system.

These are computers, you know, not ex lovers. Hate is such a strong word.
post #111 of 384
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Originally Posted by cddude View Post

Thanks for addressing some of my concerns.

After hearing this news I thought maybe i should be considering the MB instead of the MBP. However, no Firewire (which i would assume is super important for video editing) and the CPUs are up to .5 Ghz slower. How important is all that? Could I get a MB instead of MBP and have a quality comp for several years as my photography grows etc.?

I just hate coming in on the low end of features when i want the computer to last for a long while.

FYI: The majority of my data will be stored on an external drive.

The loss of .5 GHz is a wash with the faster RAM and cache on the new MB. But I have to agree the omission of a FireWire is not a good idea. Not a show-stopper mind you, but it does mean you'll have to purchase a CardBus FireWire adapter which Apple or some third-party supplier will gladly sell you.

The option not to have a matte screen may be an issue, but I think better portability with an MB is better than going for a new MBP. You're gonna have enough issues lugging around all your other equipment, so every little helps.

If it were me, I'd go for the new MB. Alternatively, if you really want a MBP go for the current 15" 2.5GHz model. In fact, you can save even more money by going for an Apple refurbished unit, which is currently going for $1,499 vs the original price of $2,499... which is exactly the price I paid for mine... excuse me I've got to go cry now.

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post #112 of 384
Here are a couple more comparisons for those interested. Apologies for the bluriness, I turned flash off to get a fairer comparison.



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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

Sorry, but you don't know what you are talking about here.

While it's true that most people prefer glossy, (and Apple is probably smart to go that way for that reason alone), glossy displays don't give true colour reproduction.

The pictures "look better" because they appear over-saturated. For the segment of the Pro market that needs true colour reproduction (and this segment basically comprised of graphic designers and pro photographers), glossy is just not going to do it. They are a minority segment, but still, if you want truly accurate colour, you need a non glossy screen.

This is exactly right... glossy screens oversaturate and provide too much contrast... that leads to washed out images when they are output to print and I don't know any pros who would touch one...

... then again I don't know anyone who would work extensively on a laptop for high quality photographic work (unless it's hooked up to a decent screen)...

...and as far as the issue of reflection goes it drives me mad and it seems I'm not the only one Apple!

that's my 2p
post #114 of 384
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

It must you who really can't read (or, for that matter, do arithmetic). You may wish to recalculate for yourself what 82.5% of your own VAT-included numbers are.

My ex VAT figure was $1407.68. Add on VAT by multiplying by 1.175 and you get $1654, which is the dollar value given by xe.com for the MacBook price in the UK.

You need to learn how to do maths with percentages.

And as for your other points, so what. The price has gone up. The UK is entering recession and people have very little disposable cash and it's hard to get credit. People aren't going to buy a boutique laptop, they'll make their existing one last longer or buy a cheap one to get them by.
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Originally Posted by mrochester View Post

Here are a couple more comparisons for those interested.

A camera can never do this, especially when it focuses on the background. Having used a glossy display for a while I can tell you the human eye forgets about the background.

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post #116 of 384
ok what I want to know is how this new "glassy-glossy" differs from the glossy that is on the previous generation Macbooks and Macbook Pros?

The glassy-glossy iMacs have always bothered me.
[I am still on a first gen imac g5 because of the glassy glossy imac...
and I really wanted to make that work too, just could get past all the glare and reflections constantly on the screen. Reflections don't go away even when the glare does]

A co-worker of mine has a [now last revision] macbook pro with the glossy screen,
and my wife has a glossy macbook.
But they don't seem anywhere as bad as the glassy-glossy iMacs that I have tried.

anyone have any insight?
is there a difference?
or are they the same?
post #117 of 384
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Originally Posted by wilco View Post

Don't you guys get it?

If it's good enough for Mel's wife & kids and, then it's good enough for you!

Mandatory glossy screen.

One less FW port.

Apple should just end the charade, and stop using the word "Pro" in their laptop line.

Cut it out wilco, you been ok for a while, don't go back to your old self.
post #118 of 384
Underwhelmed to say the least.

It just seems like Apple is getting ever more expensive yet delivering short on substance.

£950 for a new MacBook is frankly crazy for the specs you're getting. I know it is all about style with Apple, but paying £950 for what is essentially 80% style is far too steep. I'm still happy with my near two year old MacBook.

And will all you graphic designers slagging each other off with who knows best about graphic design just chill out?

No-one's died.
post #119 of 384
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

A camera can never do this, especially when it focuses on the background. Having used a glossy display for a while I can tell you the human eye forgets about the background.

The camera didn't actually focus on either of the two shots, so they are both technically out of focus as far as the camera is concerned. I can fully appreciate how the reflections could be very off-putting as no matter how much you are concentrating on what is on the screen, you can still see the reflections out of the corner of your eye.
post #120 of 384
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Originally Posted by Hattig View Post

My ex VAT figure was $1407.68. Add on VAT by multiplying by 1.175 and you get $1654, which is the dollar value given by xe.com for the MacBook price in the UK.

Ah, fair point.
My mistake on that calculaiton.
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