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Originally Posted by jwervel16 View Post

In every price discussion of Apple displays, there will always be a group of guys who bring up their horrible TN panels they got at a closeout sale with their miserable color shifting and narrow viewing angles and cheap casing and trumped up contrast ratios (that only consider the bright end) and falsified response times and on and on. But hey, it's LCD, and it's the same size!

Apple will always be a little more expensive than its technical equivalent -- I'll pay extra for fantastic design and integration anyday. That said, your credibility goes out the window when you compare an IPS LED to that ugly Sceptre you got at Costco. Sorry, folks, it's not an acceptable comparison.

At any rate, the price has not changed. And of course Apple will come out with an adapter for use with current Macs. Anyone who believes otherwise is just trying to stir the pot.

P.S. Well said, hmurchison.

If you were referring to me, I am not quite sure at what point I said that I felt like I was falsified or even claimed that the screen of the same size that I had was even comparable or that either screen was either superior or inferior or even had the same features as each other, let alone the technology behind it. I was just simply asking and trying to find out the differences in the technology and whether it was worth the really big price differences to most average displays and especially if it is for the most average consumers or the non-professionals?
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If you were referring to me, I am not quite sure at what point I said that I felt like I was falsified or even claimed that the screen of the same size that I had was even comparable or that either screen was either superior or inferior or even had the same features as each other, let alone the technology behind it. I was just simply asking and trying to find out the differences in the technology and whether it was worth the really big price differences to most average displays and especially if it is for the most average consumers or the non-professionals?

I would ask that you refer to my posts then. For "average consumers", IPS displays are not worth it, IMO. As for Apple's, the price jump between it and a high costing 24" CCFL LCD is nearly 4-5 Benjamins. Given the Cinema Display's [lack of] specs and ports, you might be tempted to look elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by kim kap sol View Post

Don't put words into my mouth. I *don't* want any of those things. I want a monitor with nothing else but a few ports. Most people don't use the iSight and hardly anyone would enjoy the sound coming out of built-in speakers.

No one is putting words in your mouth or rewording what you've written. I just don't see why you have an issue with this display, but not with any of Apple's notebooks or iMacs since they have cameras, speakers and mics built in them. If you don't like products that are all inclusive then you have many, many options to choose from many, many vendors. If you want a better speaker system you can get that too, if you want a display without a camera you can one of those too. Apple's been combining and consolidating components since day one, so I can't see how anyone would take issue with Apple for continuing to do what they've been doing all along.
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post #84 of 185
I think we might see a few more updates before this year is out...

Maybe another 'special event' that showcases both the Mac Pro & the Mac mini.

Mac Pro gets the latest/greatest Xeon CPUs, fresh video cards with DisplayPort (or Mini DisplayPort, damn Apple & their proprieties) & an obvious pairing with an all-new 30" LED Cinema Display (sporting an iSight, stereo speakers & a 3 port USB2 hub).

Mac mini steps up to a new chassis (think Brick manufacturing process) and new internals that match the new MacBooks; this diminutive powerhouse is paired with an all-new 20" LED Cinema Display (sporting an iSight, stereo speakers & a 3 port USB2 hub).

All this saves plenty of room at MacWorld for the introduction of the Mac tablet...

(other possible new Mac products; a 10" netbook, revamping the Mac mini into a headless home server, and of course the all-new AppleTV - available in either 42" or 60" models)
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post #85 of 185
Weeeeeee! Another display adaptor.

I'll add it my collection.
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Originally Posted by MacRonin View Post

I think we might see a few more updates before this year is out...

Maybe another 'special event' that showcases both the Mac Pro & the Mac mini.

Mac Pro gets the latest/greatest Xeon CPUs, fresh video cards with DisplayPort (or Mini DisplayPort, damn Apple & their proprieties) & an obvious pairing with an all-new 30" LED Cinema Display (sporting an iSight, stereo speakers & a 3 port USB2 hub).

Mac mini steps up to a new chassis (think Brick manufacturing process) and new internals that match the new MacBooks; this diminutive powerhouse is paired with an all-new 20" LED Cinema Display (sporting an iSight, stereo speakers & a 3 port USB2 hub).

All this saves plenty of room at MacWorld for the introduction of the Mac tablet...

(other possible new Mac products; a 10" netbook, revamping the Mac mini into a headless home server, and of course the all-new AppleTV - available in either 42" or 60" models)

I see them releasing this LED Cinema Display in one size to test the market. The reality of what Apple does with the rest of the line-up will greatly depend upon the demand for this new 24" LED Display.
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Originally Posted by kim kap sol View Post

Don't put words into my mouth. I *don't* want any of those things. I want a monitor with nothing else but a few ports. Most people don't use the iSight and hardly anyone would enjoy the sound coming out of built-in speakers.

AIO is an ok concept to a certain extent. If the quality of the built-in peripherals don't match the quality of external peripherals then, I'm sorry but, they simply SHOULDN'T be in the product.

The idea of having to buying severely crippled peripherals when one already has higher quality ones is wasteful and idiotic. I have never budged on my claim that camera phones are a stupid waste. Nobody wants to see shitty quality pictures. Hell people with real cameras can't even take a clear picture of leaked Apple products...you think a camera phone is going to improve the world? Or a shitty built-in iSight in the LCD Display?


Search your feelings, solipsism, you know it to be true.

You are jumping to a lot of conclusions. No one has even used the monitor yet to find out how well it works. You've already weighed judgment.

When Apple first put FireWire, USB ports, and Airport cards into the iMac. Very few peripherals used either FireWire or USB. Hardly any internet routers that could send a wireless signal. Were they useless because of this.

You are actually saying speakers and web cam are useless? I don't understand that at all. Everyone needs speakers. While the current use of web cam can be debatable. Its more likely to be used the more people that have them.
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Originally Posted by DeaPeaJay View Post

Dude, I hardly think they're making us pay for those added features. It's the same price point as the old 23" cinema display and it's LED and an inch bigger!

Dude, the 23" Cinema display is way over-priced.

Let's do some iMac math because the 24" iMac uses the same type of LCD panel the Cinema display does.

24" iMac = $1799
20" iMac = $1499

The 20" iMac has a lower cost CPU but let's be generous and say the entire $300 is for the display.
The 20" iMac has a TN display, the type you can get from Acer or HP for under $200.

That places the retail price of a 24" display using the same panel as the iMac at $499.

Compare that with the actual price of a 23" cinema display: $899.

So Apple is charging $400 for an aluminum case and two FireWire ports.

Still think the new display is a good deal?
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

True, but either is still better than TN.



At least it doesn't change the look. A few features that a given user won't use really doesn't bother me. Having one model that covers everybody might cost the same as offering two models that reduces the economies of scale. The camera & mic on the notebook don't bother me either, even if I'll never use it. It's that issue about economies of scale that undercut an argument that it would be cheaper to offer a model without said feature.

We don't disagree. It is an Economy of Scale solution. What it isn't is a Steven P. Jobs forward thinking game changer like he loves to do just so it's more exciting and not what it truly is--a wise approach to consolidating manufacturering costs.

What I would like to see is that they begin investing some of that $20 Billion into OLED panel technologies and options for a Matte Glass finish that is very viable, when one applies state of the art manufacturing.

All glass are composites with elastic polymers intermixed and they should be able to design molds that provide a matte finish relief as an option.
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Originally Posted by kim kap sol View Post

What you're talking about is an ultra-niche market composed of about 8 people that would want to use their MacBooks with a display with a 2nd iSight and speakers because they absolutely want to use the screen and have the MacBook lid shut (which also means you'll be buying a keyboard and a mouse.)

Then I guess the market consists of me plus 7 others. I'd use it with an integrated IBM TrackPoint keyboard, which is much more convenient than a keyboard and mouse configuration... and which I already own.

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It's a waste of resources, money, and does [not] appeal to anyone (especially not since the world is heading for a recession or possibly a depression). Not even you.

Nobody in their right mind would or should buy this product.

Thanks for the compliment!

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This product is DOA. You can't use it with the Mac mini or Mac Pro yet,

Only because the new display hasn't arrived yet!

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Most people buy a notebook computer because they aren't or don't want to be tied down to a desk. Ultra-niche. Ultra-dumb.

Sometimes--like most days for a lot of people--you just have to work at a desk. Then what are you going to do when it's time to travel? Are going to do something SUPREMELY dumb like sync files and install missing apps at the last minute? Who has time for that??

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Apple needs to take the basic design of this display, remove all the retarded decisions such as built-in iSight and speakers, add options for a matte finish and make the hub more functional and market it to Mac mini, Mac Pro and PC users.

The iSight, speakers and mic probably add $50 to the b.o.m. and $100 to the s.r.p. Not prohibitive even if you never need them. For my purposes, I'd use them all a lot... especially the speakers.
post #92 of 185
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Originally Posted by jwervel16 View Post

At any rate, the price has not changed. And of course Apple will come out with an adapter for use with current Macs. Anyone who believes otherwise is just trying to stir the pot.

Its not "pot stirring" to say you can't run this monitor off a DVI/VGA output. Its facts based on the technical specs of DisplayPort (which another poster above gave in detail) and the very simple fact that if the monitor could work with older machines, why wouldn't Apple at least sell an adapter for $29 like they do for laptops?
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I don't understand. Why can't they make a display that will work with both a laptop and a Desktop. Sure it might be neat to charge your laptop with your monitor, but what is wrong with plugging it in the wall again?
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

Everyone needs speakers. While the current use of web cam can be debatable. Its more likely to be used the more people that have them.

Who?
People who work in an office? Speaker use is usually forbidden, and rightly so. At work, what I need is not a speaker, it's a headset. And given the price tag of that monitor and its techology, the office is a prime target.
People who work at home and listen to music? Well, if I want to listen to music, I actually want to listen to music, not some distorbed and crushed noise. So, my computer is plugged to my home theater system and it's 5.0 speakers, and this has nothing to do with the pityful noise that comes out of built-in speakers. People who can't afford hifi just buy cheap external speakers - even $30 models are better than built-ins...
Gamers? Gamers don't do Mac anyway. And if they did, they would not buy a slowish IPS monitor anyway.

Really, I don't see who would have an actual use for that in the real world...
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

You are jumping to a lot of conclusions. No one has even used the monitor yet to find out how well it works. You've already weighed judgment.

When Apple first put FireWire, USB ports, and Airport cards into the iMac. Very few peripherals used either FireWire or USB. Hardly any internet routers that could send a wireless signal. Were they useless because of this.

You are actually saying speakers and web cam are useless? I don't understand that at all. Everyone needs speakers. While the current use of web cam can be debatable. Its more likely to be used the more people that have them.

Well everyone needs a keyboard and mouse...should those things be integrated into the display also?
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Originally Posted by the cool gut View Post

I don't understand. Why can't they make a display that will work with both a laptop and a Desktop. Sure it might be neat to charge your laptop with your monitor, but what is wrong with plugging it in the wall again?

Apple is making huge design mistakes...and it doesn't care. When this display shows itself as unpopular as the Cube or the AppleTV, Apple will be scratching its head wondering where it went wrong and just scrap their entire display plans based on info gathered from a failed design.

A retarded 6 year-old can see the flaws with this product.

edit: the retarded 6 year-old is *not* me...I'm 7.
post #97 of 185
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Originally Posted by kim kap sol View Post

Well everyone needs a keyboard and mouse...should those things be integrated into the display also?

That's ridiculous.

The isight and speakers are integrated without taking away from the usefulness of the monitor. Only adding to its usefulness.
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Originally Posted by kim kap sol View Post

Well everyone needs a keyboard and mouse...should those things be integrated into the display also?

1) They did that with the first Apple PC, and every laptop works that way.

2) Are you really going to compare a tactile input device for your hands to 'head-level' input and output devices?
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post #99 of 185
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Originally Posted by kim kap sol View Post

Apple is making huge design mistakes...and it doesn't care. When this display shows itself as unpopular as the Cube or the AppleTV, Apple will be scratching its head wondering where it went wrong and just scrap their entire display plans based on info gathered from a failed design.

A retarded 6 year-old can see the flaws with this product.

edit: the retarded 6 year-old is *not* me...I'm 7.

I cannot see many people exhibiting outrage over integrated camera and speakers the way you are.

Not even the 6 year old.
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Originally Posted by iReality85 View Post

I guess this and another post are a direct reference to my own. I know full well that Apple's Cinema Display is an IPS rather than some TN panel; you don't need to pontificate the differences. Maybe the display has a leg up because it is LED and not CCFL, but lets face it the majority of casual users (your "folks") wouldn't recognize the difference, especially between the newest generation of CCFLs and the early generation of panel-quality LEDs.

I, for one, am glad that Apple chose to ignore the mass consumer market and offer high quality panel for more professional market. Of course, the actual performance remains to be seen and scrutinized, such as whether it uses S-IPS vs. S-PVA and how much of the Adobe RGB colors pace it can display. I am a bit ticked off by the glossy screen, but I guess that is a trend I cannot escape (ugh).
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Not even the 6 year old.

I dare him to find a 6 year old that wouldn't get a kick out of PhotoBooth.
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post #102 of 185
Come on, you guys aren't serious and just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing...cut it out.

If you want an AIO, you get the iMac...if you want a notebook, you get the MacBooks...if you want a modular computer, you get a Mac Pro.

If you start integrating things into an external display, you're totally going against the idea of having external peripherals. The modular approach allows one to choose the peripherals he or she needs.

I'm going to pretend this display was created exclusively for notebook users. How hard could it be to modify the production plant to create an iSight-less, speakerless display? That should surely shave 100-150 from the display price.
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love the "dock" aspect of this...
the glossy, errr. might not be a problem, certainly not as big a problem as the macbook pro being glossy.
maybe with an aftermarket monitor hood this will be perfect...
hopefully someone will make a nice looking one, and not be too expensive.
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Originally Posted by kim kap sol View Post

I'm going to pretend this display was created exclusively for notebook users. How hard could it be to modify the production plant to create an iSight-less, speakerless display? That should surely shave 100-150 from the display price.

I don't think Apple is into the A la carte thing all that much. Yes they could have delivered a screen without the iSight, Magsafe, speakers and USB but then where's the value? Apple knows it's not going to compete on price so there has to be a bit more sizzle than what's being offered by the likes of LG, Samsung and NEC.

I'm a bit perplexed by the incredulity here. We all know Apple doesn't deliver a product unless they can hype a feature that their competitors don't have.

A 24" ACD and Macbook comprise a flexible system. Remove the extras from the ACD and you have just another monitor.

Graphics pros will be buying the likes of Lacie high end LCD, Eizo and NEC matte screens. Let's not fools ourselves into thinking that $900 buys state of the art LCD technology.
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Come on, you guys aren't serious and just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing...cut it out.

From my POV, it sounds like you are the one who is disagreeing with this new Apple product when you say things like integrated speakers and webcams are flaws that retarded 6 year old can see.


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If you want an AIO, you get the iMac...

Exactly!

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if you want a notebook, you get the MacBooks...

Agreed!

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if you want a modular computer, you get a Mac Pro.

True, again!

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If you start integrating things into an external display, you're totally going against the idea of having external peripherals. The modular approach allows one to choose the peripherals he or she needs.

As previously mentioned, this new ACD does not prevent you from getting other peripherals of your choice. Your argument is the same one people had about the iMac, despite it's rampant success. If you want to go fully modular, then this ACD is not for you. One size does not fit all!

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I'm going to pretend this display was created exclusively for notebook users. How hard could it be to modify the production plant to create an iSight-less, speakerless display? That should surely shave 100-150 from the display price.

There is no reason to pretend. Jobs blatantly stated that the event was about notebooks. The lack of updates to any of their 3 desktop machines backs that up, and very obvious addition of a power pass-through cable with a MagSafe connector at the end clearly demonstrates what this ACD is designed for.
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Originally Posted by kim kap sol View Post

Come on, you guys aren't serious and just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing...cut it out.

If you start integrating things into an external display, you're totally going against the idea of having external peripherals. The modular approach allows one to choose the peripherals he or she needs.

You aren't forced to buy an Apple Display. Its a totally voluntary purchase.

As far as peripherals......

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I don't get this product.

$900 is a lot of money for a monitor to use with my MBP. Actually I can't use this with my MBP, AFAIK.

Even if I could I would probably just get a nice 24" Sammy monitor for half the cost. Sure it wouldn't have LED backlighting but I think I would get by just fine for half the cost.

What am I missing?
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I never thought I'd see the day but I'm done with apple. I hate glass screens and if this is the only option they are going to give us then FUCK EM!

Yep.

My thoughts entirely...
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I don't get this product.

$900 is a lot of money for a monitor to use with my MBP. Actually I can't use this with my MBP, AFAIK.

Even if I could I would probably just get a nice 24" Sammy monitor for half the cost. Sure it wouldn't have LED backlighting but I think I would get by just fine for half the cost.

What am I missing?

Stereo speakers. Three in one connection. 3 USB port hub built-in. iSight and mic. Gorgeous hardware. If I had a public office space I'd by them simply because the way they look would create a good impression to potential clients. Also, half the cost for the Sammy, where? And LED backlit is a big deal btw.

I love the way everyone is so pissed we didn't get matte screens. I'm a glossy guy
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This product is called an LED Cinema Display.

It has a DisplayPort, and a MacBook charger.

If Apple introduce a 20" and a 30" further down the line, we already know they're going to sport the DisplayPort interface but will they sport the MacBook charger as well?

The MacBook charger is going to be useless for future Mac Pros.

I wonder if Apple is going to release an entirely new range of Cinema Displays, without the MacBook charger, and call them something other than 'Cinema Displays'...?
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Who?
People who work in an office? Speaker use is usually forbidden, and rightly so. At work, what I need is not a speaker, it's a headset. And given the price tag of that monitor and its techology, the office is a prime target.
People who work at home and listen to music? Well, if I want to listen to music, I actually want to listen to music, not some distorbed and crushed noise. So, my computer is plugged to my home theater system and it's 5.0 speakers, and this has nothing to do with the pityful noise that comes out of built-in speakers. People who can't afford hifi just buy cheap external speakers - even $30 models are better than built-ins...
Gamers? Gamers don't do Mac anyway. And if they did, they would not buy a slowish IPS monitor anyway.

Really, I don't see who would have an actual use for that in the real world...

You confidently speak for a lot of people. We haven't even yet heard the sound quality of the speakers.
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. Also, half the cost for the Sammy, where?

Here.

It doesn't have all the features that the new Apple display has but I probably wouldn't use them anyway. I would want a nice display at a reasonable price. The Sammy fits the bill nicely. YMMV.
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I think it is just a reference to the last sentence in the second to last paragraph in the news article of this thread.

The problem is that those adapters referenced connect a VGA/DVI/HDMI display to the new DisplayPort output, not connecting a DisplayPort monitor to a DVI output.
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During its special notebook Tuesday, Apple unveiled its new Cinema Display featuring a 24-inch LED-backlit widescreen display with built-in iSight video camera, mic, and speakers in a thin aluminum and glass enclosure.

For those of ranting and raving about this new product, I need to point out something obvious here.

If you go to the LED Cinema Display, it states in large letters "The first display made precisely for a MacBook"... Let me underscore a part of that sentence... "...made precisely for a MacBook"

Don't you think Apple will come out with other LED Cinema Displays made for a revised iMac, Mac mini and of course the Mac Pro in the near future?

If this first LED Cinema Display is specifically for the new MacBook and MacBook Pro, it's a great product! Just need to add a matte option to placate those who continue to argue about things like abortion, gun control, intelligent design, etc.

Methinks Jobs is just sitting back, arms crossed until we've all calmed down.

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I don't get this product.

$900 is a lot of money for a monitor to use with my MBP. Actually I can't use this with my MBP, AFAIK.

Even if I could I would probably just get a nice 24" Sammy monitor for half the cost. Sure it wouldn't have LED backlighting but I think I would get by just fine for half the cost.

What am I missing?

You're not missing anything...this display is made for 0.0001% of all computers users (ie late-2008 MacBook Pro users that are unsure if they actually wanted a desktop PC and a few nutty PC users that happen to have a DisplayPort card + adaptor).

My guess is that Apple will hit 200 displays sold by Christmas *next year*.
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You're not missing anything...this display is made for 0.0001% of all computers users (ie late-2008 MacBook Pro users that are unsure if they actually wanted a desktop PC and a few nutty PC users that happen to have a DisplayPort card + adaptor).

My guess is that Apple will hit 200 displays sold by Christmas *next year*.

If there are 1B computer users in the world then that is 100k potential buyers. That would be very low, but it find it funny that your hyperbolic statement meant it to seem even lower. As for your comments that only nutty people will use DisplayPort, I can't help buy wonder what future-forward video interface standard you expect the industry to adopt. Or is that you would like everyone to go back to VGA or some other archaic standard that lingers on PCs way too long.

If you read the info on DisplayPort you'll see why it's not only ideal for Apple, but for all vendors, and it will soon be adopted across the board. I bet you thought ExpressCard shouldn't have replaced PCMCIA, either.
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Here.

It doesn't have all the features that the new Apple display has but I probably wouldn't use them anyway. I would want a nice display at a reasonable price. The Sammy fits the bill nicely. YMMV.

I am considering this one:

Here

If it had a VESA mount (that general style from Samsung doesn't), I would be more serious about it because some of my alternate uses could really use that.
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I like the integrated speakers - separate speakers clutter your desk and a lot of the brands look tacky. I wonder if they used any of the technology from that boombox they sold for a while and then discontinued.
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Odd decision indeed. Considering the display only works with mini Display Port, it even alienates current Mac users, unless they get a converter. Alittle disappointing on the specs too... a 14ms response time? Thats incredibly slow and outdated. Combine that with only a 1000:1 CR and this puppy is waaaaay over priced. You can get FAR better performing "monitors" for less than half the $899 price, with way better specs, and with more inputs than just USB (very perplexing). Case in point: my 24" Acer HD monitor with 3000:1 CR and 2ms response time that was $330.

Ouch Apple.

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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

If there are 1B computer users in the world then that is 100k potential buyers. That would be very low, but it find it funny that your hyperbolic statement meant it to seem even lower. As for your comments that only nutty people will use DisplayPort, I can't help buy wonder what future-forward video interface standard you expect the industry to adopt. Or is that you would like everyone to go back to VGA or some other archaic standard that lingers on PCs way too long.

If you read the info on DisplayPort you'll see why it's not only ideal for Apple, but for all vendors, and it will soon be adopted across the board. I bet you thought ExpressCard shouldn't have replaced PCMCIA, either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
http://www.displayport.org/open/Interoperability.htm I understand that you aren't one to use a secondary display or like the idea of having components unified into one device (which would precludes you from liking notebooks in general), but to convince yourself that this DP ACD will only benefit 1/10,000th of computer users is completely irrational.

I did not say that nutty people will use DisplayPort. English must not be your forte.

I do enjoy how you try to bend my words and make it look like I'm saying something completely different. Although it is blatantly obvious.

Judging by your last post, it seems as though you long to see parallel ports on a Mac and the ADB port be brought back from the dead. But you're not forward thinking. These ports are grossly inadequate in throughput for today's needs and can't power devices plugged into them.

ADB
Parallel port

I understand that you cherish these ports, but to convince yourself that these ports are important in 2008 is completely irrational.

edit: this is your first warning Solipsism. If you keep this up this game of twisting my words, I will twist your words also.
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