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post #41 of 97
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Originally Posted by edorf View Post

Hoped for better prices.

The only one that went down was the old Macbook; $100 in the US store, only $20 in the Norwegian store. Otherwise prices are UP $200 on every model.

Apple has gotten all their enthusiasts onboard now. They need to have computer’s ready for the rest, with lower prices, not higher. Hard to understand the politic.


Steve's just too in love with his big, fat margins. He probably dreams about 'em at night.

Because they pad the stock price, and Steve-o figures that he can gain share slowly but surely against the Windows world forever and ever amen, without going for the marketshare kill-shot that he could've done long ago.

Doesn't make a lotta sense... at some point, you'd have to figure that the huge mobs of potential PC switchers who would buy a Mac if *only* Apple competed in some more attractive pricepoints would OUTWEIGH the cash that Steve pulls down by wringing out the Mac faithful and PC switcher 'early adopters' for every last dime.

But who knows? Maybe Steve just likes keeping Mac ownership an exclusive club, with 4 percent worldwide marketshare. Somehow it's okay for the iPod to dominate, but the Mac can't ever TRULY bust loose and terrorize MS and the PC makers the way it's capable of, 'cuz Steve doesn't want to play in the upper reaches of the sub-$1000 market... aside from the Mac Mini.

It's a cryin' shame.

edit- Oh, and I'm sure that the $999 MacPlastiBook is a endangered species, in the same way that the $999 iMac went extinct. The second Stevie can, the PlastiBook is g-o-n-e, and the notebook lineup starts at $1299. Woo..... hoo.
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post #42 of 97
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

And in a preemptive strike against likely jittery investors looking for reassurances, Jobs began the Q&A by immediately stating that his blood pressure measured 110 over 70 -- and that he wouldn't discuss his health beyond that point.

Watching the event (on my iPhone), I think Jobs looked better. More energy. Difficult to say if he's gained any weight.

Would be interesting to hear from someone who saw him live.

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post #43 of 97
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Originally Posted by Daniel B View Post

Watching the event (on my iPhone), I think Jobs looked better. More energy. Difficult to say if he's gained any weight.

He definitely looked better in the still photos. Not back to normal weight, but lots better than the 'scary-gaunt guy' who showed up at that one event.

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post #44 of 97
This probably isn't the right thread for this but I'm hoping somebody can help me out - about how long does it take before Amazon gets the new MB/MBPs? I ask because the tax I have to pay at Apple is greater than the discount I get so it seems rather silly of me to buy it from Apple when it's cheaper from Amazon.

Also, maybe a little help here. I'm pretty torn up between the 1299 MB, the 1599MB and the 1999 MBP. I've got a firewire external but it has a USB port on it, I'm not really worried about the HD since I can get a 320GB 7200RPM drive OEM drive from tigerdirect for $80 but I'm a sucker for the backlit keyboard (call me superficial). If the 1599 came with 4GB of RAM I'd certainly be all over that but I don't know if the upgrade from 2GHz to 2.4GHz is worth the $300 - any thoughts on the subject?

FWIW I'm upgrading from a 12" PB so if anybody else is in my boat I'd love to hear what they are doing.

thanks!
post #45 of 97
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

Only that it was a bewildering decision to leave it out of the MacBook.

Thank you Mr. Jobs for making my nascent firewire based home studio obsolete. I was planing to upgrade my current 2GHz Core 2 MacBook to the new MacBook. The new MacBook without a firewire port means all the my firewire ported boxes are useless.

Maybe I'll just invite Mr PC over see what I can get for for my hard earned $.
post #46 of 97
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Originally Posted by Chasing Mosby View Post

Thank you Mr. Jobs for making my nascent firewire based home studio obsolete. I was planing to upgrade my current 2GHz Core 2 MacBook to the new MacBook. The new MacBook without a firewire port means all the my firewire ported boxes are useless.

Maybe I'll just invite Mr PC over see what I can get for for my hard earned $.

Probably just wait until the next revision - they'll put it back I'm sure. They might have to add a little weight or something but I think they'll be able to figure it out.
post #47 of 97
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Originally Posted by bigmc6000 View Post

Probably just wait until the next revision - they'll put it back I'm sure. They might have to add a little weight or something but I think they'll be able to figure it out.

I understand the discontent with the lack of FW on the new MBs, but I don't Apple will add them back. I curious to see how this affect will 3rd-party vendors who have been making FW based components now that the most popular Mac will not have FW, and the 15" will only have FW800 (FW400 with an adaptor).

With USB3.0 coming out in a year or so, using the same port and being backwards compatible with all previous USB standards and cables, keeping FW400 is making less sense. But it would have been nice to add a FW800, which will use the same port as future FW3200.
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post #48 of 97
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Originally Posted by aaarrrgggh View Post

I'm not sure how they will do it, but it looks like firewire is not going to be the solution long term.

USB 3.0 supports full-duplex transfers so will it be able to do target disk mode? Even if it can't, USB 3.0 will be faster than FireWire400 and since Apple redesigned the MacBook it makes perfect sense to not include a FireWire port.
post #49 of 97
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Originally Posted by Chasing Mosby View Post


Maybe I'll just invite Mr PC over see what I can get for for my hard earned $.

a mr pc with firewire...or get a real set-up and get a macbook pro...
post #50 of 97
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

"How do you tell someone, that you care about, deeply, I told you so. Gently? With a rose? In a funny way? Like it's a hilarious joke? Or do you just let it go. Because saying it would just make it worse. [...] Probably the funny way."

I love The Office reference there... best show ever.
post #51 of 97
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Originally Posted by troberts View Post

USB 3.0 supports full-duplex transfers so will it be able to do target disk mode? Even if it can't, USB 3.0 will be faster than FireWire400 and since Apple redesigned the MacBook it makes perfect sense to not include a FireWire port.

So, Apple's going to retrofit everyone's MacBooks with USB 3.0 once it's released?

post #52 of 97
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Originally Posted by bigmc6000 View Post

This probably isn't the right thread for this but I'm hoping somebody can help me out - about how long does it take before Amazon gets the new MB/MBPs? I ask because the tax I have to pay at Apple is greater than the discount I get so it seems rather silly of me to buy it from Apple when it's cheaper from Amazon.

Also, maybe a little help here. I'm pretty torn up between the 1299 MB, the 1599MB and the 1999 MBP. I've got a firewire external but it has a USB port on it, I'm not really worried about the HD since I can get a 320GB 7200RPM drive OEM drive from tigerdirect for $80 but I'm a sucker for the backlit keyboard (call me superficial). If the 1599 came with 4GB of RAM I'd certainly be all over that but I don't know if the upgrade from 2GHz to 2.4GHz is worth the $300 - any thoughts on the subject?

FWIW I'm upgrading from a 12" PB so if anybody else is in my boat I'd love to hear what they are doing.

thanks!

We are in the exact same boat.
I'm torn. Also.

But I'm thinking I'm gonna get the 1599 and upgrade to 4gb ram.
That would be an incredible machine in a beautiful 13 alum case. With* backlit keyboard.
But I'm mad about the huge price diff between 2.4/2.0.
post #53 of 97
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Originally Posted by Dunks View Post

Oh man four finger gestures is where it's at. I'm such an exposé ho already.

Somewhere in the world there is a war veteran with only three fingers crying himself to sleep right now.

That made me laugh.
post #54 of 97
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

Doesn't make a lotta sense... at some point, you'd have to figure that the huge mobs of potential PC switchers who would buy a Mac if *only* Apple competed in some more attractive pricepoints would OUTWEIGH the cash that Steve pulls down by wringing out the Mac faithful and PC switcher 'early adopters' for every last dime.

My guess is that if they reduced their prices significantly, the huge mobs of switchers would be too much too quickly and then everything would blow up. Come on... they can only do so much at one time!
post #55 of 97
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Originally Posted by bluevoid View Post

Any word on Firewire over Ethernet?

Firewire over ethernet is NOT a little dongle like scsi-via-firewire.

Ethernet over Firewire has NOTHING to do with regular "ethernet" (cat5) cables. You can run ethernet frames over a firewire cable (regular 4,6, or 8 pin "firewire" cable). "Ethernet over firewire" is NOT a box that converts the little polygonal firewire cable into a familiar crimp-on 8 conductor cable that you can stick into your nearest switch/hub/computer.

Firewire and ethernet share some similarities at the logical link level, like similar address space, etc, but they are NOT physically (PHY) compatible.

There will NEVER be a "converter" available, no matter how much people would like to dream of one.

With an extension to the original 1394 spec, one could run firewire over cat5 (four-pair) twisted pair cable. This is "ethernet cable" in modern parlance, but really this is just category5 enhanced Twisted-pair. You can run power, audio, anything else you'd like over it, but calling it "ethernet cable" is just a bad linguistic habit.

THEN, there was another extension (though I've not seen the IEEE spec) that would supposedly allow a single connector (the familiar 8 pin crimp connector used by cat5e "ethernet" cables) to serve as EITHER an ethernet connector OR a firewire connector (for the above "firewire over cat5e" spec) and switch on demand.

There has NEVER been a plan to "convert" firewire to ethernet, or vice versa. It's really amazing how this viral idea has spread in the last few days.

Unless NVIDIA has suddenly implemented a poorly-known (and possible nonexistent) 1394 spec, there is NO firewire on the macbook, nor can there be.

Thank Apple for castrating the market for a standard they helped create. I, for one, am not impressed with the direction that "Apple" (no longer "...Computer") is taking.

Jony Ives talks about "bare minimum" needed to justify removal of FireWire, a month after he shoves a Nike+ receiver in EVERY iPod Touch sold?
As of late, Apple is more driven by pleasing the cost-conscious "everyman" and royalty checks than it is by making COMPUTERS with lineups that please consumers and professionals alike.

Apple is catering to a HUGE target, don't get me wrong -- they are hoping to cram even more lecture halls with glittering aluminium MacBook(Pros); I would just expect to see less PR artwork from real artists and designers -- we're being left out in the cold.
post #56 of 97
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Originally Posted by iijuanii View Post

We are in the exact same boat.
I'm torn. Also.

But I'm thinking I'm gonna get the 1599 and upgrade to 4gb ram.
That would be an incredible machine in a beautiful 13 alum case. With* backlit keyboard.
But I'm mad about the huge price diff between 2.4/2.0.

Are there any other differences? What about CPU cache size? If you don't do any computationally intensive tasks then stick with the 2.0. If you like video editing then the 2.4 (with possibly bigger cache) would be better.

I had the same decision when I purchased my MacBook Pro 2.4, there was a 2.6 available with twice the cache. But I don't do video, and that money I put towards 4Gb of RAM from Crucial, which meant I can virtualize XP when I need those odd few programs that don't have equivalents in the Mac world. We all want the faster machine... and anyway the tech world always bites me by upgrading whatever I buy 3 months later. But what can you do if your only computer is a laptop and dies on you?

One of the best upgrades you could use instead of the faster CPU is a 7200 harddisk. I upgraded and its one of the best upgrades you can give a laptop.
post #57 of 97
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Originally Posted by iedsri View Post

Can someone please explain what the new alternative is for transferring files between a MacBook and another computer? How are we expected to proceed without FireWire? USB doesn't work, so what are we supposed to do??


Thanks.


Cat5 crossover cable
wi-fi
bluetooth (maybe not its a bitty slow)
post #58 of 97
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Originally Posted by johnpross View Post

Are there any other differences? What about CPU cache size? If you don't do any computationally intensive tasks then stick with the 2.0. If you like video editing then the 2.4 (with possibly bigger cache) would be better.

I had the same decision when I purchased my MacBook Pro 2.4, there was a 2.6 available with twice the cache. But I don't do video, and that money I put towards 4Gb of RAM from Crucial, which meant I can virtualize XP when I need those odd few programs that don't have equivalents in the Mac world. We all want the faster machine... and anyway the tech world always bites me by upgrading whatever I buy 3 months later. But what can you do if your only computer is a laptop and dies on you?

One of the best upgrades you could use instead of the faster CPU is a 7200 harddisk. I upgraded and its one of the best upgrades you can give a laptop.

The cache is the same. The only difference is the 160GB to 250GB HD, the 2.0 to 2.4 processor and the backlit keyboard. Apple actually charges as much as it would cost you to buy a 4GB RAM set from Crucial now so unless you are going to sell your 1GB chips on eBay you might as well get them from Apple and save yourself the hassle.

As far as the HD goes I'm not worried about it - as I said you can get a 320GB 7200 SATA drive from tigerdirect for <$100.
post #59 of 97
my take on this upgrades are that apple is always ever looking for "new" people to buy their computers, yes there is us the "machooligans" that got so hard to please every time there is a refresh or an upgrade, but remember that apple is "well" in this to make money too. from the design point of view (looks to be specific) the new macbooks are striking elegant, the glossy push "well" we'll have to deal with it, the lack of firewire on macbooks are not so much an issue if you have read about USB 3.0 it's coming and steve and co. know that USB is much more popular than firewire and much cheaper too. that's why FW 400 is gone from the new macbook pro's, it's simply because is no use when "every" single external HDD that comes with FW has both 400 and 800 version, the iMac's and Mac Pro's space is not an issue that's why they will be available for in the future, but expect FW 400 to fade away and give room for FW 800.

remember when apple ditch old legacy i/o and jumped on USB, well we're on that same transition again with the difference that know is only to faster and "not" totally different i/o. i understand the FW speed issue over USB but I'm certain than USB 3.0 is just around the corner and (backwards compatible) so that will be very easy for apple to switch to them on the next revisions, and for the HDD over USB well.. buy a macbook pro. (there is always a catch dude)

about the new ACD and the adoption of display port well time will tell but it sure looks damn good to me, i still believe that they should come up with a solution for PRO users, photo, movies, etc.. who don't like the glossy thing, but that's not a "real" problem since you can buy excellent displays from other companies that are much better than apple cinema displays. in this case as always, looks and easy of use are much more important to apple because of the people they want to attract, and i'll have to admit that the whole 24" for a macbook thing "will" sell them many displays for macbooks buyers.

i'm for one will be refreshing my imac G5 and macbook pro core duo and jump on a new macbook and an imac very soon!!!

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post #60 of 97
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Originally Posted by bigmc6000 View Post

The cache is the same. The only difference is the 160GB to 250GB HD, the 2.0 to 2.4 processor and the backlit keyboard. Apple actually charges as much as it would cost you to buy a 4GB RAM set from Crucial now so unless you are going to sell your 1GB chips on eBay you might as well get them from Apple and save yourself the hassle.

As far as the HD goes I'm not worried about it - as I said you can get a 320GB 7200 SATA drive from tigerdirect for <$100.

A big thing for me in the plastic 'Books was, access to the RAM was incredibly easy -- so much so that Apple let owners do it without voiding their AppleCare warranty. I haven't seen the videos yet, so... does anyone know (is the RAM still user accessible)? Thanks.
post #61 of 97
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

Doesn't make a lotta sense... at some point, you'd have to figure that the huge mobs of potential PC switchers who would buy a Mac if *only* Apple competed in some more attractive pricepoints would OUTWEIGH the cash that Steve pulls down by wringing out the Mac faithful and PC switcher 'early adopters' for every last dime.

Yep, exactly, I'm such a switcher, and I must say that since I have started looking more closely at Apple, the grass is less green than it looked from afar. And I keep remembering the 1984 Mac launch event (yes, I'm getting old and I started early) and I keep wondering who exactly is Big Brother in that story...

Current PC to Mac switchers are not fanboys, we're more pragmatic. For myself, I'm rather platform agnostic. As a job, I'm a developer, and I mostly use Java and Ruby. So, whether I use Windows, Linux or MacOSX doesn't make much of a difference in my daily use. For my hobbies, I play (and there, sorry to say it, but the PC still rules) and do photography. For the latter, Capture NX, Lightroom or Photoshop run in both worlds. And the all glossy screen trend from Apple is not exactly attractive.
So, at the opposite of early switchers or Mac fanboys, we don't exactly hate Microsoft. Vista is a decent OS - far from perfect, but decent. As a developer, I must say that Microsoft is getting better and better in that field, C#/.NET is a very good platform (no wonder since it's an emanation of Borland).

So, why "switch" (well, not a real switch, keeping the Vista desktop PC and HTPC, just getting MacOSX on the laptop)? Well, like I guess a growing number of users, because of the iPhone. This device is the best public relation SJ could have to enter the PC world. And as a developer, tackling this new platform is indeed very tempting (and part of the reason for the MB/MBP).
Another reason is that the MB and MBP feel attractive. On the desktop, the iMac really doesn't attract me, and the Mac Pro would if I had won the lottery. But for having played with the previous MB and MBP, the user experience is very pleasant, much more pleasant that what I had with similar XP or Vista based laptops.

However, while trying to attract such a population of users, it is also very easy to produce bad PR. Since I have taken an interrest, what have I seen?
- The NDA on the iPhone blocking every book, courses and forums. From a developer point of view, this is insane, Microsoft would never have pulled a stunt like that!
- The ToU of the SDK is very strict, to the point of banning navigation softwares, launchers, runtimes... So, no Tomtom, no Java and no Flash, even though it's perfectly possible to have them working very well on the platform.
- The iPhone SDK is very closed. It's impossible to access the iTune library, impossible to communicate with the agenda...
- The AppStore approval process seems completely random
- The matte option disappearing from the Pro laptop, even though Apple is a brand that almost all photographers and graphists admire

This is generating very bad communication to the newcommers. This is building the image of a company that is both paranoid and deaf and that will work against it's community rather than with it.
It's a cliché to paint Steve Balmer as the devil, but I'm beginning to wonder if he's not better than Steve Jobs.
Sure, Balmer is a vulgar and loud idiot. But at least he is rather harmless and even funny (from afar) sometimes. If I want to discuss alpha SDK on the Internet, I can. If I want to use the Windows Mobile platform for about anything licit, I can. And for free.
On the other hand, Steve Jobs is a visionnary, who did extraordinary things in his life, but who has gone on a demented ego-trip and goes blind and deaf at times. There is nothing wrong than a visionary who has lost his vision, you are left with an empty bundle of ego and paranoia and superiority complex...
post #62 of 97
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Originally Posted by DOSbox-gamer View Post

A big thing for me in the plastic 'Books was, access to the RAM was incredibly easy -- so much so that Apple let owners do it without voiding their AppleCare warranty. I haven't seen the videos yet, so... does anyone know (is the RAM still user accessible)? Thanks.

I read a breakdown from MR and the guy said you take the battery out and remove 4 screws and there's the RAM. That's obviously not as easy but I'd still consider that user-replaceable.
post #63 of 97
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

I feel your pain.

It was a bad decision on Apple's part, no matter what the Apple Apologista Squad has to say about it.

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Greetings all, ok so long-time reader, first time poster or whatever the kids are saying these days...blah blah blah...

In response to you TBaggins...I agree, and the hardest part is, I haven't even heard Apple say anything about the lack of firewire. If they would just come out and say "Hey guys/gals, we had to nix the firewire because of <reasons>, sorry, but here is the alternative, we have invented <new tech method> for target disk mode and migration assistant." That is all I would need. Some people have mentioned for users to learn about networking, and I could set up ethernet to do filesharing if I had to, but it's not fast, easy, or mac-like. And what about switchers, are they going to set this up? Most of them won't. And will my mom who wants to replace her Dual USB iBook from 2001 be able to do this? Hell no, it will be up to me to do it for her.

So mainly, I can live with no firewire (if I'm forced at gunpoint) but Apple should at least take a stance on the issue to let us know what the plan is.

In the mean time...I know some of you here either work for Apple, or used to, or have friends there, so what do you think the possibility is for Apple to realize this situation ,and if they cannot provide something equally as good as, or better than firewire (for target disk mode/migration assistant) that they might bring firewire back on the next rev?

Any chances?
post #64 of 97
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I understand the discontent with the lack of FW on the new MBs, but I don't Apple will add them back. I curious to see how this affect will 3rd-party vendors who have been making FW based components now that the most popular Mac will not have FW, and the 15" will only have FW800 (FW400 with an adaptor).

With USB3.0 coming out in a year or so, using the same port and being backwards compatible with all previous USB standards and cables, keeping FW400 is making less sense. But it would have been nice to add a FW800, which will use the same port as future FW3200.

That's what I had meant was that they'd put in a backward compatible FW800/3200. However, since that time I've gone and looked at setup and I don't know if there is enough physical space for another port with how they've put the HD in there...

How wide is a USB? Is it even remotely possible to align them vertically as to allow for more ports?
post #65 of 97
I haven't tried this yet but if I've got my old guy hooked up to TimeMachine can't I just plug it into the new computer and tell it to put all my non-system files in place?
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post #67 of 97
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Originally Posted by iedsri View Post

We now know that Apple has indeed removed both FW400 and FW800 from the MacBook --without replacing it with an alternative.

I've read through all the relevant recent threads, and not one person has yet answered my question:

WHAT IS THE NEW PROCEDURE FOR TRANSFERRING FILES FROM THE MACBOOK TO ANOTHER COMPUTER??

Until now, the only really efficient, quick and reliable way to do that was by connecting a FireWire cable and restarting while holding down the T key. USB doesn't work like that. So . . .

How -- specifically -- are we supposed to transfer files from/to the new MacBook?

Thanks.

Apple promises that they'll help you transfer your files right there in the store. I'd visit your Apple Store & ask, they'd have to have documentation somewhere of how this procedure is changing.
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Originally Posted by hezekiahb View Post

Apple promises that they'll help you transfer your files right there in the store. I'd visit your Apple Store & ask, they'd have to have documentation somewhere of how this procedure is changing.

There's also the plugging an ethernet cord into both ends - you just have to set up a network and drag and drop. However, as I asked earlier, is it possible to have Time Machine update your new MB with all the files from your old computer?
post #69 of 97
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Originally Posted by Lictor View Post

Yep, exactly, I'm such a switcher, and I must say that since I have started looking more closely at Apple, the grass is less green than it looked from afar. And I keep remembering the 1984 Mac launch event (yes, I'm getting old and I started early) and I keep wondering who exactly is Big Brother in that story...

Current PC to Mac switchers are not fanboys, we're more pragmatic. For myself, I'm rather platform agnostic. As a job, I'm a developer, and I mostly use Java and Ruby. So, whether I use Windows, Linux or MacOSX doesn't make much of a difference in my daily use. For my hobbies, I play (and there, sorry to say it, but the PC still rules) and do photography. For the latter, Capture NX, Lightroom or Photoshop run in both worlds. And the all glossy screen trend from Apple is not exactly attractive.
So, at the opposite of early switchers or Mac fanboys, we don't exactly hate Microsoft. Vista is a decent OS - far from perfect, but decent. As a developer, I must say that Microsoft is getting better and better in that field, C#/.NET is a very good platform (no wonder since it's an emanation of Borland).

So, why "switch" (well, not a real switch, keeping the Vista desktop PC and HTPC, just getting MacOSX on the laptop)? Well, like I guess a growing number of users, because of the iPhone. This device is the best public relation SJ could have to enter the PC world. And as a developer, tackling this new platform is indeed very tempting (and part of the reason for the MB/MBP).
Another reason is that the MB and MBP feel attractive. On the desktop, the iMac really doesn't attract me, and the Mac Pro would if I had won the lottery. But for having played with the previous MB and MBP, the user experience is very pleasant, much more pleasant that what I had with similar XP or Vista based laptops.

However, while trying to attract such a population of users, it is also very easy to produce bad PR. Since I have taken an interrest, what have I seen?
- The NDA on the iPhone blocking every book, courses and forums. From a developer point of view, this is insane, Microsoft would never have pulled a stunt like that!
- The ToU of the SDK is very strict, to the point of banning navigation softwares, launchers, runtimes... So, no Tomtom, no Java and no Flash, even though it's perfectly possible to have them working very well on the platform.
- The iPhone SDK is very closed. It's impossible to access the iTune library, impossible to communicate with the agenda...
- The AppStore approval process seems completely random
- The matte option disappearing from the Pro laptop, even though Apple is a brand that almost all photographers and graphists admire

This is generating very bad communication to the newcommers. This is building the image of a company that is both paranoid and deaf and that will work against it's community rather than with it.
It's a cliché to paint Steve Balmer as the devil, but I'm beginning to wonder if he's not better than Steve Jobs.
Sure, Balmer is a vulgar and loud idiot. But at least he is rather harmless and even funny (from afar) sometimes. If I want to discuss alpha SDK on the Internet, I can. If I want to use the Windows Mobile platform for about anything licit, I can. And for free.
On the other hand, Steve Jobs is a visionnary, who did extraordinary things in his life, but who has gone on a demented ego-trip and goes blind and deaf at times. There is nothing wrong than a visionary who has lost his vision, you are left with an empty bundle of ego and paranoia and superiority complex...

I'm a PC/OSX user too, and sometimes I wonder what Apple is doing - they remind me of the big brother from their "1984" ad sometimes, removing ports and whatnot, glossy screens only, don't really have an affordable mid-tower, becoming more consumer-centric, but can most consumers afford to drop $1300 on a laptop anymore, especially when most PC laptops are under $1000, and most of which have more RAM, bigger HDs. Other times, I think they are ignoring their pro users too, as at a place like dpreview, a lot of photogs are complaining about the glossy screens on the new MBPs.

Yes, I know style is important, and Apple has the OSX card, but I'm happy with Vista, and I can tweak Ubuntu to work similarly to OSX, with a dock and expose, and it has the *nix underpinnings.

It just frustrates me, that while OSX is my favorite OS ATM, I just really can't afford much more than $1200 at this point, which would only get me a low-end iMac with a crummy TN panel (and I already have a decent LCD), or it would allow me to build a very nice Intel quad-core, with like 8 GB of RAM...

And I love how Microsoft treats students; they have a program called Dreamspark, where I was able to download Visual Studio 2005/2008, Windows Server 2003/2008, and SQL Server Dev Edition 2005/2008 for free. Several thousands of dollars worth of MS products, but they want to give students a taste of setting up and build servers and using VS to write apps.

Apple has Xcode and a measly $20-200 of computers, and like 10% off SW.
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I read a breakdown from MR and the guy said you take the battery out and remove 4 screws and there's the RAM. That's obviously not as easy but I'd still consider that user-replaceable.

Yea, it really shouldn't be too hard to replace

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In case anyone is interested, Amazon is have a firesale on last gen MBPs. After rebate they are $1444 w/ no tax and free shipping...

http://www.amazon.com/Apple-MB133LL-...4082550&sr=8-1
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This assumes both Macs are bootable. Many a time I've used Target Disk Mode to repair/rescue a Mac whose HD was on the fritz. If the OS is fried, sometimes other data can be accessed. Or DiskWarrior can revive it. That's something no WiFi or Ethernet connection can provide.

I agree. I've found target disk mode to be very useful for troubleshooting/support purposes. In addition to accessing a non-booting drive, sometimes I'll want to work on system files while the system is not running. It's an important tool and one of the things that makes Macs easier to support than PCs, in my experience.
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In the video, the trackpad when clicked seems to actually move - can anyone confirm this, or is a button click simply a tap like the iPhone or the traditional tap-click option on the existing trackpads? (I'm hoping it actually moves...)
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It is all about mass marketing now. They need to keep selling more Mac beyond loyalist buyers to make profit and keep sales growth and that's fine. As they said, MB is the best selling Mac (and that's with the glossy display by the way). I am sure that they've made the decision to stick with glossy based on sales figures and not emotions. Even on the PC side, I have seen many on our university campus using HPs and other laptops with glossy displays.
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"How do you tell someone, that you care about, deeply, I told you so. Gently? With a rose? In a funny way? Like it's a hilarious joke? Or do you just let it go. Because saying it would just make it worse. [...] Probably the funny way."

That was beautiful.

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With USB3.0 coming out in a year or so, using the same port and being backwards compatible with all previous USB standards and cables, keeping FW400 is making less sense. But it would have been nice to add a FW800, which will use the same port as future FW3200.

I really doubt anybody would have been upset if they had just gone to 800 or 3200.
Leaving Firewire off entirely is beyond stupid.

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USB 3.0 supports full-duplex transfers so will it be able to do target disk mode? Even if it can't, USB 3.0 will be faster than FireWire400 and since Apple redesigned the MacBook it makes perfect sense to not include a FireWire port.

No, perfect sense would have been to keep Firewire onboard until USB3 is available, and then discontinue it.
Leaving your customers in a lurch for a whole year is something only Apple would do.
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a mr pc with firewire...or get a real set-up and get a macbook pro...

I was flirting with sarcasm here - Mr. PC ( with firewire -ha !?) isn't the answer!- The reason I went with Mac in the first place was its superior handling of audio and firewire devices made sense for handling live recordings. Now I have to upgrade to a MacBook Pro (beyond my limited budget) or upgrade to USB devices. Either way its going to cost me more money.
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well, just bought the last iteration suped up 15" MBP from Amazon - $5 less than Apple but no tax, paid $20 for shipping and Amazon gives you a $150 Amazon gift card (aka Christmas presents).

Happy day for me!!
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I'm hoping we will see a 15" MacBook with FireWire in January.

Or a 13" MacBook Pro with all the MBP features including f/w.

QUES: Why a glass touchpad?

Can anyone give me one single reason why it should be glass instead of any other substance? Glass is heavier. And don't give me the "it allowed them to precisely tune the friction coefficient" because that could be done with metals.

ANS: There is going to be a display touchpad.

THAT is the kind of market-leaping innovation apple's known for. It's got the technology, the reputation, and the ability to make it make our computers work better for us, in ways we can't even imagine now. So my inclination is to wait for MWSF to see if they introduce it then.

(in fairness, i waited through two, maybe three MWSFs for an iPhone announcement, before it finally came. So the display-touchpad may be quite a ways in the future.)
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I was flirting with sarcasm here - Mr. PC ( with firewire -ha !?) isn't the answer!- The reason I went with Mac in the first place was its superior handling of audio and firewire devices made sense for handling live recordings. Now I have to upgrade to a MacBook Pro (beyond my limited budget) or upgrade to USB devices. Either way its going to cost me more money.

They still sell the white MacBook that include Firewire and it is $999 with faster processor than the base aluminum model.

I was hoping for that they offer a 500GB HDD for the MBP but since I will need an external HDD with the capacity they offer I might as well get the 250GB 7200.
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They still sell the white MacBook that include Firewire and it is $999 with faster processor than the base aluminum model.

I was hoping for that they offer a 500GB HDD for the MBP but since I will need an external HDD with the capacity they offer I might as well get the 250GB 7200.

Just buy it from TigerDirect and install it yourself.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...866&CatId=2676
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