Originally Posted by nanto
Yep, as a recent Mac usert I will dump my latest camcorder that is only 16months old and also throw away my external hard drive and buy everything new, WOW fantastic solution. Most families have a camcorder that uses firewire so I do not know where you get the idea that most pc users dont use firewire. Actually I would bet that the opposite of what you said is true. . How else would you pass your DV to a PC? I am realy angry about this because I wanted to fully migrate to Mac OS (no im not rich so cant afford a Macbook pro and no I do not want the plastic option.
1 Macbook Sale lost here...
I don't understand (and I'm not trying to rile you here)... if you're a recent Mac convert (welcome!), what Mac are you using without FireWire? Do you need a new MacBook for video work? (I know it would be great to HAVE one, but do you NEED one?) If you have a 16-month old camcorder, it probably uses DV tape, and you can get tons of tape for little or no money, so you can keep shooting outside or when traveling. You don't have to carry a computer at all, if you don't want, but a new MacBook would be nice for watching DVDs, email, GPS and mapping software, the internet. Then you come home, hook the camcorder up to your old Mac with FW, and digitize the tape. It's a 1:1 transfer process (meaning one minute of tape-based recording takes one minute to transfer to hard disk) and can be done on any old computer. I've been doing it since G3s and G4s, so a newer, faster Intel processor and better video card won't make it go any faster. Then you copy your video file by Ethernet or whatever to your MacBook if it has better performance for iMovie or FCP Express.
The external HD is more of a problem, but moving the drive mechanism to a case that has both ports or just USB will cost about $25, and you still have the old one for use as well -- it didn't go bad or even become obsolete just because the new MacBook can't use it.
As for billions of PCs in the world, well, most of those are sold to companies for business use, and none of those have FireWire. The consumer models sold sometimes have it as an option, but I'd wager the majority of people don't use it. Even people with a DV cam with FireWire and a PC with FireWire often never connect the two -- making movies is work and takes time. The lastest rage of Optical Disk-based cams or solid state media is removing the need for any port other than USB for the YouTubers. I doubt that "most families have a camcorder that uses FireWire" as you claim, and I'm sure the percentage of families that have: 1) a cam with FireWire, AND 2) a laptop computer with FireWire, AND --this is important--
3) actually use the two together
are a very small minority of the actual buying market seeking a new compact laptop computer.
The biggest limitation of no FireWire is no Target Disk mode, but even that is no good without a second Mac, so you're right back to my original notes on capturing video.
All that said, I feel your pain, and suggest you wait until tests on Barefeats.com have shown what the performance is like on the new macBooks over the old, and probably by then the new MBPs will be in the Apple store as refurbs at a good price point, or maybe if we're lucky, Apple will put FW back in the MacBook (I think this is unlikely) or maybe Apple will decide there's a market for 13" MBPs with ExpressCard slot that can be all things to all people, even me with my God-awful expensive $800 Sony SxS ExpressCard media cards that my camcorder uses instead of video tape. Once again, welcome to the world of Mac users -- it's great, but not perfect, and things change relatively fast. Owning a Mac is a lot like HD television: once you buy into it, it keeps taking more of your money and spoils you for anything else.