Originally Posted by otwayross
Back this up...
With what? That USB2 dominated the market even 2 years ago? Done. That eSATA was the emerging new high speed external disk interface? Done.
Already did. Vista...no support for FW800 despite promises to do so. Very few FW800 enclosures (RAID or otherwise) in comparison to eSATA enclosures.
FW800 today for most folks (even Pros) is not all that important. There are certainly SOME Pros with a significant use for it but I can see Apple dropping even FW800 in a couple three years and assuming that folks that need it will get an expresscard with it.
OK off you go, try transferring large files via wifi - something you have obviously never done - I have tried (between Mac Pro 2008 and Macbook Pro 2007 both on 802.11n) and the result is a lot less spectacular than you think...
Gee, I guess I must be imagining using my MBP with my Timecapsule on a daily basis. And TC is not blazing as a NAS. Here's a brilliant news flash for you:
Big assed files take a long assed time regardless of technology. When I back up everything to an external drive for offsite storage it goes overnight.
No. Please show me a pro quality audio interface equipped with FW800 (I think there're one or two that exist). If the multi-billion dollar pro-audio industry still uses FW400 as standard how can you claim it's obselete ? Just because a few lower end items are now available in USB2 ?
Which part of "most folks" confuse you? Do you believe that the pro-audio crowd is a significant number of folks?
Did you realise you can buy USB microphones too ? Are you going to tell us that USB will replace XLR connections ?
Again, which part of most folks confuses you?
You can't take one example of a bad implementation of FW400 and use it to prove anything. Even in the article you quote, the writer says that "the Maxtor OneTouchs FireWire 400 port actually lagged that of its USB port in the Duplicate File and Low Memory tests, which is atypical in a hard drive"...
There's no proof involved. Just that Seagate says that Apple has improved it's USB2 drivers.
Besides, the number of crappy external drive implementations are far larger than you may think. Also the small external drives like the LaCie Little Disks are slower than heck. Wanna bet that the speed difference isn't all that much?
You're welcome to purchase non-hot swappable external hard drives, but why you'd do that to plug them into a portable notebook is beyond me... USB or FW are the way to go for portable equipment - but you pick the technology which suits your application.
SATA sustained reads: 110
FW800 sustained reads: 71
SATA sustained writes: 67
FW800 sustained writes: 49
That's why. Besides, who the hell hot swaps 1 TB RAID arrays? Yes, FW400 is faster than USB2. But who cares with large files sizes? Slow isn't much better than Dog Slow.
If it's just photos and the occasional word document (ie read/write uni-directional transfer) then USB2 is fine, if it's pro-audio etc then FW is needed (provided your drive/device is optimised for this and isn't a Maxtor OneTouch
Again, since you seem to lack reading comprehension, MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT AUDIO PROS.
Your only point that closely resembles reason so far... but you forget that many high end, brand new video cameras (eg HV30) are FW based.
Probably not for very long as FW dies.
Agreed. (see below) GigE is useless for notebooks as an external device connection medium - but it should still be included on notebooks for the case that you need to connecting to an established network (like a non wifi internet server or a work network).
Still reading challenged I see. GigE is useless over a USB2 dongle because you're limted by the USB interface. GigE is VERY useful for notebooks because it's fast and wireless isn't always available/working. When I need to do a large transfer to TimeCapsule I'll plug in directly into the device. This is faster than my FW400 drive.
So you're give all this 'good advice' on technologies that you don't own (ie have no experience with).
I have FW800 on my MBP. I use FW400 for my tiny little drive and for my video camera. I use eSATA in my lab. I use 802.11N and gigE to my TC and at work. Which technology do I NOT use?
So basically you're comparing login based networking technologies (ESata and GigE) with hot swappable technologies... good luck with that one.
No, I'm comparing technology that's used every day vs ones that only exist on paper.
Oh and to avoid ridicule I wouldn't be basing anything on decisions made in Vista...
Yeah, because 90% market share makes Microsoft irrelevant.
Come to think of it, why don't you go out and buy a nice brand new ESata or GigE external storage case (as I did) and see how much you like it. Not only do you have to log in (via Bonjour) every time (with minutes of delay), but many these things are designed to be left on permanently (it's essentially server technology). Try doing that in the studio or at starbucks to retrieve a couple of backed up files quickly.
How odd...I use my TC every day, sometimes over GigE. I VPN back to my work shares while at starbucks to get at files I might have forgotten. If I need a multi GB fiile, yes, then I'll bother to plug in my external drive. USB2 or FW400 makes little difference at that point.
For working for real...I'd rather have a eSATA drive sitting in my bag than FW400. And yes, you CAN hotplug eSATA given that it's in the SATA II spec if you have AHCI and 10.5.x. Depends on the implementation for the expresscard eSATA how well that really works though...