Originally Posted by otwayross
ok mate - you can look at every second computer and find USB2 - agreed - but that doesn't define domination does it... any more than the fact that Microsoft is on nearly every machine. Ubiquitous doesn't prove anything - or why would you own a Mac and be on a mac forum in the first place?
I may enjoy my mac...but I don't mistake that Windows still dominates the market...
There are some battles Apple wins. There are some that they lose. FW vs USB was lost. PPC vs x86 was lost.
the fact that people (including Jobs - although i don't think that was his point) are arguing that USB is a substitute for FW means they don't understand the fundamental differences...
We understand the differences between the two technologies. It is just that for the majority of users USB2 is equivalent to FW400. The most common exception is, again, for camcorders.
and the fact that there is no eSATA interface on any Mac - does that say that it's emerging too well does it?
No just that Apple is behind the pack in this area.
like i said i'm going to ignore your vista arguments
Ignoring reality has little impact on reality. It can have a negative impact on you.
...but on FW800 - yes it has been slow to pic up.... but then it's on a number of Macs - and has been for a while (including the latest issue) it may surprise you but many 3rd party companies are sticking with FW400 because it works fine... but I guess the marketing departments of companies like MOTU, SONY, FOCUSRITE, ROLAND, DigiDesign and RME are completely off the planet. Maybe you should write to them and tell them that all their FW400 products released late 2008 are already worthless...
Again, which part of "most people" confuses you?
while you're at it, if you could be so kind as to offer an alternative...
Yeah, get a Pro box with FW800 and FW400 cable. Or a Dell. Whichever.
well you might be using it, but you certainly aren't noticing how fast it is because it takes so long you have to go to bed - that's not quite the performance I'm really after...
btw I'M JOKING - not trying to flame you
like i said (and regarding the reading you have a serious case of pot calling kettle
) if you're just transferring files one way - then go for it with wifi or USB - like you point out overnight is fine in this case...
If I need speed I'm not going with either USB2 or FW400 but fiber channel, eSATA, GigE or lastly FW800. A baby 1-2TB RAID array on my desk via FW800 may be nifty but when I'm messing around with that much data it should be living in my datacenter ANYWAY.
Yes I do actually - of course it's a question of perspective... but then don't believe me - look it up, have a look at the very small petition which has already got around 10k signed up... and then think where it's all headed... how many home studios there are... how many budding video editors jumping on youtube - most of whom want to be mobile and dump hundreds of gigs of footage and audio onto their macs ON THE GO...
Anyone dumping hundreds of gigs onto their macs on the go needs to use a better interface than FW400.
Yeah - got me... again.... dammit
hang on - no you didn't - for MOBILE use what choice have you got ???
GigE and eSATA are not suited for mobile
LaCie 2TB Big Disk Extreme w/eSATAhttp://www.amazon.com/LaCie-301296U-...4554177&sr=8-5
LaCie 1TB Quadra w/eSATAhttp://www.amazon.com/LaCie-301827U-...DW5KGMVN73W4YV
who said anything about hot swapping raid arrays - that would be a dumb idea - not to mention heavy to carry around ???
If you're using a single drive it almost doesn't matter what interface you use.
3.3 pounds for the Quadra above. Yes, it is HW RAID 0.
thanks for the flame there
- I seem to recall that you said;
but then maybe i just thought you misunderstood the issue - it's not just about video cams, it's about a WHOLE AUDIO VISUAL INDUSTRY (sorry for yelling, got a little worked up) - that's right the industry who put mac in front of the masses in the first place...
I didn't misunderstand the issue. You simply are a minority. You do not represent the entire audio visual industry because a good number of video pros have MBPs.
No, you aren't the industry that put mac in front of the masses in the first place. Neither originally nor now.
yes make that call to the marketing department of those companies i mentioned - because you obviously know something they missed...
Consumers are moving away from FW. Every CE company knows that especially with the new MB. Beta lasted several incarnations in the pro market but it was dead as a doornail on the consumer one.
you don't use eSata on the go...
On the "go" the lab computer (a Shuttle) goes with us. We have several TB worth of imagery sitting on it's own 4 drive eSATA array.
90% market share doesn't make Microsoft relevant either...
no you wouldn't since you'd have to lug around a power connector as well - unless you wanted to get one that plugged into your USB just to power itself...
Which would be just fine given my little FW400 LaCie requires a USB connection for power as well.
some points :
- proving anything based on the fact that Microsoft does it won't help your argument on an apple forum (in case u hadn't seen the rather sarcastic ads...)
- feel free to take your eSata drive to anywhere without a power outlet and see how far you get...
- you sound like the type of user who the Macbook is perfect for (not into audio or video at pro speeds, only a few files, willing to transfer files overnight, moving from home network to lab network)
Yes, I don't do "audio" or "video". When I'm in the field I'm often using a Toughbook not my Mac. NOW that the MacBook has decent graphics I CAN use it vs my MBP but by no means do I claim to be an average MB user nor do I demand that Apple cater to my esoteric needs. There are probably MORE folks that would like a ruggedized MB/MBP than folks working audio and video with MBs.
You can ridicule MS but you can't ignore them. Apple certainly does not.
The average MB user is indeed that home user and most likely a student. That Apple caters to THEIR needs before ours is a GOOD thing. For Apple anyways.