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post #41 of 122
10/21/08 at 10:10pm
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RDF or not, this guy is a true leader.

Buy. (But only if you have the cajones to Hold.)

Amen! But I wish I would have bought a ton in February 2004 - when the stock was $14.
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post #42 of 122
10/21/08 at 10:17pm
"We don't know how to make a $500 computer that's not a piece of junk, and our DNA will not let us ship that."

That's interesting because the low-end Mac Mini is $100 over priced and I agree that it is a piece of junk. Integrated graphics, no keyboard or mouse, and 1Gb of memory standard makes it over priced and a weak offering at $599.

A new Mac Mini with the 2GB RAM, 120Gb hard drive, the NVIDIA M9400 chipset, and a keyboard and mouse at $499 on the other hand is not a piece of junk. That is a value packed system with enough margins for Apple to justify selling them. Substitute the superdrive for a blu-ray drive and that's worth an extra $200 at $699 alone.
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post #43 of 122
10/21/08 at 10:22pm
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Of course. The purchase of P.A Semi has Netbook written all over it and Apple's newfound love for the "Cloud" is another. I expect a $699-799 Apple "netbook" to hit within 18 months.

You can say that again! Have you seen the latest iPhone hybrid-puter? The mousepad is an iPhone!
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post #44 of 122
10/21/08 at 10:35pm
I never know what investors are going to think about Apple's earnings. I quit guessing years ago. There were certainly things in this report that could have caused it to tank like in past quarters but I think SJ came to talk positively about some things going on so it wouldn't again. The market is too volatile right now.

You can never predict the future by what Mr. Jobs says either. He has changed course too many times. He may hate something one day and love it the next. I don't think that's bad. It shows he has an open mind and is persuadable.

As for TV, I think games are the natural thing that will push to over the top. There are enough possibilities there and enough moves in that direction to make it a very interesting hobby. A lot of people are making games for iPhone now and could move to a full fledged Mac games. There are programs that use iPhone and Touch as controllers over your network and they could control games on TV.

I don't see it totally replacing game consoles, especially for those who already have them, but with a Safari browser and some games, TV could become a big point of interest for a lot of people.

Looking forward to MacWorld to see if there are any surprises.
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post #45 of 122
10/21/08 at 11:13pm
"I wasn't alive then, but from everything I've heard, Babe Ruth only had one home run. He just kept hitting it over and over again."

Well, this seems to be the key to Apple's recent success. Make one high valued product, make it desirable so people pay a premium price over it and make billions.. It works. But it only works because the Apple brand is hot at the moment. It's a win-win for both consumers and Apple. Consumers get the cool gadgets, Apple makes (a lot of) money.

I am worried though for the creative artists who need FW to get their work done, or need a matte screen because looking at a mirror screen for 9 hours non-stop is no fun.. I am in that category and for the last few days I've been surfing the net looking at prices for Windows PC's. I already know my next display will be not a new glossy Cinema Display but a matte Eizo and my new netbook will be a MSI Wind .. This 500 dollar netbook has a 2,5 inch 160GB harddrive!!!!!! Plus 3x USB 2.0, ethernet etc... runs on a stable Windows XP OS. In fact, I prefer a cheaper netbook so I can take it on holidays. If it gets stolen the loss is not so high, plus without the Apple logo it doesn't get stolen so easily..
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post #46 of 122
10/21/08 at 11:16pm
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post #47 of 122
10/22/08 at 2:17am
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Originally Posted by ltcommander.data View Post

If Apple decides to release iWorks Touch or perhaps Microsoft develops an Office Touch, it'll be a decent productivity tool. Peripherals can be sorted out by adding Wireless USB instead of space consuming physical ports.

This is the direction I'd like to see. I use my itouch more as a mobile internet netbook than as an iPod. Peripherals connecting with wifi would make sense given they haven't allowed bluetooth in the itouch.

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post #48 of 122
10/22/08 at 3:34am
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[re] "Apple added another $3.7 billion in cash during the quarter, so it now has $24.5 billion "safely in the bank, and zero debt" Jobs noted. He spoke of "extraordinary opportunities" for companies in a time of economic downturn "with the cash to take advantage of them, like Apple does," but wouldn't clarify how that might relate to any specific strategies, including new efforts to acquire other companies." [/re]



Apple's saving up their pennies for the big Yahoo acquisition

I hope not! MobileMe has proven that Apple has a lot to learn about running any sort of online services. Yahoo would be a quagmire that would drown Apple. Apple would in no way benefit from such an acquisition, and Apple has nothing to contribute to Yahoo's operations that what make them better. So what would be the point?
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post #49 of 122
10/22/08 at 5:18am
using their own numbers when they were claiming to be number 3 phone vendor on a revenue basis...$4.6B/6.9Mphones = $667 per phone sold on average. Pretty sweet.
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post #50 of 122
10/22/08 at 5:39am
I really hope Apple doesn't do Netbooks. I think that they will re-invent the category with a tablet (a bigger iPhone) in the future.

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I believe that Netbooks are a fantastic idea and that Apple will eventually be forced to serve this market.

iPhone is nice but there is a substantial market for a real keyboard and larger screen. Apple's current USB only Macbook strengthens the netbook appeal because if USB is good enough for Apple's laptops as the primary connectivity then Netbooks need not offer that much more connectivity either.

http://www.amazon.com/Acer-8-9-inch-...4636851&sr=8-1

I have got to say that the Acer Netbook is really ugly. If Apple did enter this category, at least it would look good.
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post #51 of 122
10/22/08 at 6:01am
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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow View Post

So the original G4 Mac mini, which was $499, was a piece of junk? Gotcha.

I heard the whole thing and he said that in the context of notebook computers.

I happen to agree.

That said, I think an $899 model from Apple should be possible, or a better value for the $999 price point.

The mini was never really a $500 computer, anyway. You needed to add the monitor, keyboard, and mouse. About $800 in a cheap configuration, more like $1000 in a good one. I love the mini and I hope they don't drop it. But I don't see it exactly as an ultra cheap machine. It's only inexpensive by Apple standards.

Rather, I see it as a wonderfully compact, quiet, and flexible desktop. Good as a media center, for children's rooms, for small apartments, and for school classrooms.
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post #52 of 122
10/22/08 at 6:04am
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Don't be disheartened; Apple are just holding their cards close to their chest with all this "hobby" talk. It's all just misdirection.

It is misdirection. It's code for "AppleTV sales still suck."
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post #53 of 122
10/22/08 at 6:08am
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Don't be disheartened; Apple are just holding their cards close to their chest with all this "hobby" talk. It's all just misdirection.

I agree, I think Apple have lots more up their sleeves. Timing would be bad for an expansion of the Apple living room goodies just now with the economy in the tank but the wait just gives them more time to get it right for the up-turn. Meanwhile many of Apple's future competition in the entertainment products arena must be hurting financially at the moment.
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post #54 of 122
10/22/08 at 6:14am
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... runs on a stable Windows XP OS. In fact, I prefer a cheaper netbook so I can take it on holidays. If it gets stolen the loss is not so high, plus without the Apple logo it doesn't get stolen so easily..

XP is indeed stable. It can run for days with no problem. It's also old and clunky. And you can't run it without anti-virus, anti-spyware, and various maintenance apps from Symantec and so forth. If you do, within six months to a year the computer will be filled with junk.

If your time costs money, XP will cost you money. It will also cost you because of the utilities you need to add to it (I call it the Norton tax). The overall experience is just less pleasant, and the built-in software is much poorer. Plus you can't get iWork for a PC. Only Office, and it costs more too.

I agree about the glossy screens, but the PC world is all glossy these days as well. I think this is an industry-wide trend. I hope Apple reconsiders, at least for it's pro stuff, but I'm not expecting that to happen soon.
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post #55 of 122
10/22/08 at 6:18am
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I am worried though for the creative artists who need FW to get their work done, or need a matte screen because looking at a mirror screen for 9 hours non-stop is no fun.. I am in that category and for the last few days I've been surfing the net looking at prices for Windows PC's. I already know my next display will be not a new glossy Cinema Display but a matte Eizo and my new netbook will be a MSI Wind .. This 500 dollar netbook has a 2,5 inch 160GB harddrive!!!!!! Plus 3x USB 2.0, ethernet etc... runs on a stable Windows XP OS. In fact, I prefer a cheaper netbook so I can take it on holidays. If it gets stolen the loss is not so high, plus without the Apple logo it doesn't get stolen so easily..

Your equipment wish-list seems strange for a creative artist spending "9 hours non-stop" in front of a computer. My 24" EIZO monitor cost $300 more than my MacBook Pro 2.33GHz, let alone a cheap PC that I woudn't mind being stolen on holiday. You could have close to three of the new glossy Cinema displays for the price of a good EIZO. True, EIZO makes smaller, cheaper ones, but why bother when they don't offer the color performance and certified screens useful for graphics work? Comparing a business-use monitor to an Apple 24" Cinema display because it has a matte screen vs. glossy is silly -- you can still buy a matte finish Apple monitor if doing graphics, and it will outperform an EIZO designed for office work. And if I'm doing creative graphics work for 9 hours a day, I don't want it to be because I'm using an underpowered Atom processor with 1gb RAM and a SATA1 4400RPM hard drive to run hefty Adobe applications on an OS as unlikeable as XP.

As for PC notebooks being stolen less frequently than MacBooks, I'd have to see statistics to back that up. And even if they were, it's because they have higher value and desirability. I personally never had any kind of laptop stolen, but I'm vigilant about protecting them, especially when on holiday. It's a lame argument, akin to saying, "this year we're going on vacation to a tiny farm town in Kansas instead of DisneyWorld because there's less chance we'll have our luggage stolen." To me, the experience of a quality OS on Apple equipment the rest of the year far outweighs the threat of loss during one or two weeks away from home. If not, buy insurance and backup your holiday photos daily in case of theft.
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post #56 of 122
10/22/08 at 6:20am
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XP is indeed stable. It can run for days with no problem. It's also old and clunky. And you can't run it without anti-virus, anti-spyware, and various maintenance apps from Symantec and so forth. If you do, within six months to a year the computer will be filled with junk.

If your time costs money, XP will cost you money. It will also cost you because of the utilities you need to add to it (I call it the Norton tax). The overall experience is just less pleasant, and the built-in software is much poorer. Plus you can't get iWork for a PC. Only Office, and it costs more too.

I agree about the glossy screens, but the PC world is all glossy these days as well. I think this is an industry-wide trend. I hope Apple reconsiders, at least for it's pro stuff, but I'm not expecting that to happen soon.

Yep, we tried a Windows XP and a Mac low end laptop on a vacation with a slow internet connection recently. The updates, virus checking and so on made the PC unusable. On the Mac we could do all we needed, read mail, reply and check web sites we needed to etc. and be ready to go hiking by the time the PC had restarted after its updates and was still loading mail. The PC was more powerful than the old G4 iBook too. We gave up on the XP machine after a few days.
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post #57 of 122
10/22/08 at 6:30am
Oh, I get it, $500 is too cheap, but for $99 more you can buy a GREAT MacMini, which hasn't been updated in over a year, and for that matter, didn't even receive new technology in that update!

Great, thanks for not selling "dreck," Apple.

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post #58 of 122
10/22/08 at 6:31am
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Your equipment wish-list seems strange for a creative artist spending "9 hours non-stop" in front of a computer. My 24" EIZO monitor cost $300 more than my MacBook Pro 2.33GHz, let alone a cheap PC that I woudn't mind being stolen on holiday. You could have close to three of the new glossy Cinema displays for the price of a good EIZO. True, EIZO makes smaller, cheaper ones, but why bother when they don't offer the color performance and certified screens useful for graphics work? Comparing a business-use monitor to an Apple 24" Cinema display because it has a matte screen vs. glossy is silly -- you can still buy a matte finish Apple monitor if doing graphics, and it will outperform an EIZO designed for office work. And if I'm doing creative graphics work for 9 hours a day, I don't want it to be because I'm using an underpowered Atom processor with 1gb RAM and a SATA1 4400RPM hard drive to run hefty Adobe applications on an OS as unlikeable as XP.

As for PC notebooks being stolen less frequently than MacBooks, I'd have to see statistics to back that up. And even if they were, it's because they have higher value and desirability. I personally never had any kind of laptop stolen, but I'm vigilant about protecting them, especially when on holiday. It's a lame argument, akin to saying, "this year we're going on vacation to a tiny farm town in Kansas instead of DisneyWorld because there's less chance we'll have our luggage stolen." To me, the experience of a quality OS on Apple equipment the rest of the year far outweighs the threat of loss during one or two weeks away from home. If not, buy insurance and backup your holiday photos daily in case of theft.

Good summation . I do about 7 or 8 hours a day in front of a Mac and the 30" ACD plus 23" ADC are wonderful, just wish I could afford the second 30". My point is, if you spend that much time and are in graphics arts you'd be better with a Mac Pro not a laptop. Then get an old MacBook for vacations. If anyone spends 8 or 9 hours in front of it on vacation perhaps not going on vacation would be a good idea to save money?

p.s. Maybe it wouldn't take 9 hours a day with a Mac Pro either
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post #59 of 122
10/22/08 at 6:37am
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It is misdirection. It's code for "AppleTV sales still suck."

When's the last time anyone saw an Apple TV advertisement; a year ago?
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post #60 of 122
10/22/08 at 6:49am
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When's the last time anyone saw an Apple TV advertisement; a year ago?

Right? I rarely use mine - I prefer airtunes from the desktop for playing music because the ATV interface sucks. You can't even search your own music library on it. It needs a major overhaul.
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post #61 of 122
10/22/08 at 6:51am
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When's the last time anyone saw an Apple TV advertisement; a year ago?

Hobby? Didn't he mean that it's "a bag of hurt"?
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post #62 of 122
10/22/08 at 6:51am
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Good summation . I do about 7 or 8 hours a day in front of a Mac and the 30" ACD plus 23" ADC are wonderful, just wish I could afford the second 30". My point is, if you spend that much time and are in graphics arts you'd be better with a Mac Pro not a laptop. Then get an old MacBook for vacations. If anyone spends 8 or 9 hours in front of it on vacation perhaps not going on vacation would be a good idea to save money?

p.s. Maybe it wouldn't take 9 hours a day with a Mac Pro either

...but I felt like I got hosed by the all-too-soon pink hue that took over my 23" ACD (unfortunately didn't check forums to discover there was an issue until after the Warranty was up (and I couldn't afford AppleCare when I paid the $1995 for it.) I worried that it would happen with the high-dollar 30", and considering the cost, I went looking for a true graphics monitor and found the EIZO line. I hate the 1 video-in connection of the ACDs, and the too-short cables of the ACD power-brick.

Now I work in front of 3 LCDs (the EIZO, the 23" ADC, and a 20" Dell UltraSharp Wide all running from the MacPro -- yeah, I get phosphor tan lines. The MBP gets used on client visits, vacations, running disc maintenance on the other Macs, or watching missed episodes of shows full-screen when positioned in front of my elliptical.
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post #63 of 122
10/22/08 at 7:08am
Netbooks are a fad that appeal only to the geeky end of the computer buying public. It will never achieve mass distribution because it as an in-betweener: Too big to carry around in your pocket and too small to do heavy computing work. It's a 'cute', technically fascinating product but almost totally useless for most people. Geeks will buy it because they like looking at, caressing, fiddling with, and showing off new and unique gadgets. The rest of us will notice that netbooks sacrifice both usability and portability and will move on and buy either a smart phone/ipod touch or a laptop.
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post #64 of 122
10/22/08 at 7:11am
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...but I felt like I got hosed by the all-too-soon pink hue that took over my 23" ACD (unfortunately didn't check forums to discover there was an issue until after the Warranty was up (and I couldn't afford AppleCare when I paid the $1995 for it.) I worried that it would happen with the high-dollar 30", and considering the cost, I went looking for a true graphics monitor and found the EIZO line. I hate the 1 video-in connection of the ACDs, and the too-short cables of the ACD power-brick.

Now I work in front of 3 LCDs (the EIZO, the 23" ADC, and a 20" Dell UltraSharp Wide all running from the MacPro -- yeah, I get phosphor tan lines. The MBP gets used on client visits, vacations, running disc maintenance on the other Macs, or watching missed episodes of shows full-screen when positioned in front of my elliptical.

I may have been lucky, my original 23" developed a line within warranty and was replaced within 36 hours by Apple. It has been flawless ever since. Although next to the 30" it is 15% of the brightness. I have to wind the 30" down to match lol. I am just ticked off I cannot have them each on their own graphics card. I had to give up on one and share the GT8800 between them for FCPro else the preview doesn't show on second monitor. Trolling all Apple support blogs I am not alone in this. I welcome any input here
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post #65 of 122
10/22/08 at 7:18am
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Netbooks are a fad that appeal only to the geeky end of the computer buying public. It will never achieve mass distribution because it as an in-betweener: Too big to carry around in your pocket and too small to do heavy computing work. It's a 'cute', technically fascinating product but almost totally useless for most people. Geeks will buy it because they like looking at, caressing, fiddling with, and showing off new and unique gadgets. The rest of us will notice that netbooks sacrifice both usability and portability and will move on and buy either a smart phone/ipod touch or a laptop.

I think Steve is on the same page. iPhone on the go does 80% of what I need on the go too. I can guess they will get better and cover the last 20% over the next few years, hopefully software updates mainly too but iPhone 3 must be in the works.
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post #66 of 122
10/22/08 at 7:38am
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2 of the same topics posted on front page, one after another? Who's running this show Mccain/Palin? Sounds like one side don't have any idea what the other one is doing.



Someone should tell Jobs, that the iphone is sold in about 20x more markets than blackberries also.

Please Blackberries are sold in way more countries than iphone.
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post #67 of 122
10/22/08 at 7:50am
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Please Blackberries are sold in way more countries than iphone.

I also seems a little skewed in that a new iPhone was released in June yet the Blackberry Storm is not being released until next month.
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post #68 of 122
10/22/08 at 8:07am
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Yep, we tried a Windows XP and a Mac low end laptop on a vacation with a slow internet connection recently. The updates, virus checking and so on made the PC unusable. On the Mac we could do all we needed, read mail, reply and check web sites we needed to etc. and be ready to go hiking by the time the PC had restarted after its updates and was still loading mail. The PC was more powerful than the old G4 iBook too. We gave up on the XP machine after a few days.

Maybe you should learn a little about XP then. It isn't that hard to have a stable XP installation, and you don't need all these tools that Mac people claim you need, I have no more issues from my XP machine that I would from any my Mac's
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10/22/08 at 8:12am
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2 of the same topics posted on front page, one after another? Who's running this show Mccain/Palin? Sounds like one side don't have any idea what the other one is doing.



Someone should tell Jobs, that the iphone is sold in about 20x more markets than blackberries also.

Well yea, but it's easier to change the language and keyboard setup when it's in the screen... Or am I the only one who got that... It's all in the SOFTWARE! But that's what Steve has been saying for years.
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10/22/08 at 8:15am
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Maybe you should learn a little about XP then. It isn't that hard to have a stable XP installation, and you don't need all these tools that Mac people claim you need, I have no more issues from my XP machine that I would from any my Mac's

It's most likely the AV software. Some are really good about giving you freedom then there's symactec who likes to be like a big brother over everything. XP is stable but far from OS X. There's just soo much more than has to run in the background to use it the same way you use a Mac so it will inevitably be slower even with better specs.
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10/22/08 at 8:20am
The next Intel Atom release model 330 will probably bring Apple around to the netbooks. That's a dual core 32bit 1.6-2.0ghz cpu with a 533fsb. No it's no Centrino but at 1/4 the speed it uses 1/10th the power. Then you also have the DC 2.0 PPC with x86 instruction set company they bought... That too would easily fit into a netbook class.

Or you can create a netbook that docks the iPhone into the trackpad area. This then uses the iPhone as the computer and the screen as a trackpad. Sell it as a $399 option and those 10million iphone users can have a Netbook with internet EVERYWHERE and still keep things in sync. That's how you Apple a market.
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10/22/08 at 8:22am
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Originally Posted by Alonso Perez View Post

XP is indeed stable. It can run for days with no problem. It's also old and clunky. And you can't run it without anti-virus, anti-spyware, and various maintenance apps from Symantec and so forth. If you do, within six months to a year the computer will be filled with junk.

If your time costs money, XP will cost you money. It will also cost you because of the utilities you need to add to it (I call it the Norton tax). The overall experience is just less pleasant, and the built-in software is much poorer. Plus you can't get iWork for a PC. Only Office, and it costs more too.

I agree about the glossy screens, but the PC world is all glossy these days as well. I think this is an industry-wide trend. I hope Apple reconsiders, at least for it's pro stuff, but I'm not expecting that to happen soon.

That is not entirely correct. True you need an antivirus and FireWall of some sort. But you can start getting these things as pretty decent OpenSource stuff to. What strikes me though is that if you dont have the 80$ bucks or so for Kaspersky - well you would not be able to afford a Mac either.

Office for Home and Students has a RRP of 149$. Ok it is dearer then iWork - but I bet you some money taht quite some people still have Office on their Mac. Force of habit...

Alternatively you could actually get an eee PC with Linux and OpenOffice too...even cheaper
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post #73 of 122
10/22/08 at 8:23am
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Originally Posted by xwiredtva View Post

It's most likely the AV software. Some are really good about giving you freedom then there's symactec who likes to be like a big brother over everything. XP is stable but far from OS X. There's just soo much more than has to run in the background to use it the same way you use a Mac so it will inevitably be slower even with better specs.

You can't blame XP because Symantec can't write software, and I'm not sure what you mean about "you have to run so much more in the background", can you name the software you have to run?
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post #74 of 122
10/22/08 at 8:44am
Demand for a netbook is split between those who want a dirt-cheap laptop and those who are drawn to the mobility. Apple's going to respond to those who want more mobility just as they did with the Air, even though sub-notebooks weren't a huge slice of the market either.

A 10" product in the $900 range seems inevitable. The effective price-hike on the macbook seems to have made the way clear.

Also: the current state of the tablet market is more a reflection of the products on offer, rather than the merits of the form factor. Apple's already made a good tablet. The biggest technical barrier to growing it to 10" is just software: they'd need to make touch versions of alot more software.
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10/22/08 at 8:58am
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

And what market segment would this be aimed at? I just can't see it. I mean, if you can't stick it in your pocket, why not get an Air or a MacBook?

"That would be 'What is the on-the-go everyday user market', Alex..."

As for the size, I have no problem fitting a standard steno pad into many of the pockets on my clothing. Back pockets of jeans, inside pockets of jackets, outside pockets of blazers...

And there are a good number of folks these days who carry some type of bag around with them wherever they go, a steno pad sized 10" Apple netbook/tablet would slide into these just fine.

I for one would welcome a device that lets me carry around my email accounts, the internet & assorted iLife/iWork projects in a package no larger than a standard steno pad (only thicker), yet allow me to connect to a larger screen & full size input devices while at home.

For all those who start going on about how that is the (eventual) role of the iPhone, NO!

I don't want to squint at a tiny screen, I don't want to try and interact with data on a tiny interface. That may be fine for the younger folks here, but some of us have old eyes, and need bigger screens to see what we are doing!

And for those that respond 'just buy an Air or a MacBook", too large...

I also think, no matter what he says, Jobs HAS to be looking into the netbook market. I would bet it burns his ass to see various netbooks on the web that are hacked to run OS X, especially the new Dell.

The Trifecta of Apple goodness, as defined by MacRonin...?!?

iPhone nano
MacBook/Air uni-body derived 10" convertible laptop/tablet
Mac mini (nano?) turned home server/media center

Add a 60" flat-panel HDTV monitor & a surround sound system, good to go!

Late 2009 Unibody MacBook (modified)
2.26GHz Core 2 Duo CPU/8GB RAM/60GB SSD/500GB HDD
SuperDrive delete
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post #76 of 122
10/22/08 at 9:36am
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I also seems a little skewed in that a new iPhone was released in June yet the Blackberry Storm is not being released until next month.

Right wasn't it supposed to be the Bold to come and knock off the iPhone but now we should wait for the Storm. Funny how when the iPhone came out people said it would fail because of its touchscreen and companies like RIM but its taken Apple's entry into the game from them to release the Storm and what do you know they are also releasing their own app store, I wonder where they got that idea from.
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post #77 of 122
10/22/08 at 9:41am
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Maybe you should learn a little about XP then. It isn't that hard to have a stable XP installation, and you don't need all these tools that Mac people claim you need, I have no more issues from my XP machine that I would from any my Mac's

OH I do! In spades. I haven't done anything I wouldn't have on a Mac but I swear I have spent so much more time trying to fix the damn thing it isn't funny. I run XP in VMWare on my iMac now and that is problem free - but then I only run one single app on it, and a web server. Oh, and antivirus. I don't know what happened to my PC laptop - I de-fragged it, tried to clean it out, ran anti-spyware software, anti virus software and various specialized tools when it once got infected. I finally had to buy AdAware to remove it. Now it works but I save often as it occasionally goes to blue screen for no known reason. Oh, and it takes an eon to start up! So when I say it now works it is not really true because I hardly ever use it anymore.
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post #78 of 122
10/22/08 at 9:42am
Don't be so sure what Steve is saying is what the future holds. After all, he is saying it publicly. I personally wouldn't be surprised if Steve was not heavily downplaying the Apple TV thing by consistently calling it a hobby. Same as he did with iTunes and the music industry. As record has it, he told the large music labels that were resistant to trying his plan "Apple is so small..... what could it hurt to try it?" The living room is, and has been, the biggest historical influence on modern culture. The computer is the more recent candidate for our time and affection and the two shall meet! A hobby is something you tinker with, with a bigger dream in mind. I think he is trying to buy time under the radar with this "hobby" nonsense. I hope they get the time they need to get it right.

More Kool Aid please..... make mine a double
aren't you going to miss being the smarter minority when Apple goes mainstream?
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aren't you going to miss being the smarter minority when Apple goes mainstream?
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post #79 of 122
10/22/08 at 10:14am
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Please Blackberries are sold in way more countries than iphone.

No they are not sold in even half as many countries as iphones
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post #80 of 122
10/22/08 at 10:28am
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No they are not sold in even half as many countries as iphones

Have anything to back that up, Blackberries which have been on the market for many years before the iPhone is sold in less markets than the iPhone, right.
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