Originally Posted by soundsgoodtome
I oppose Prop 8; I know hundreds of people who oppose Prop 8; and I will go on record to state this:Each of your six points is patently false.
Every. Single. One.
Not even one of them is remotely true. But stating them with authority makes you feel important and knowledgeable, doesn't it? I don't know one person who supports Prop 8 who's in favor of any of your points. Not one person!
Unfortunately, you're gullible, and you've been duped by the lies that proponents of Prop 8 have spread. They're playing "dirty," and in that regard, they're seeing success. Disagreeing is one thing. But lying
is another. No one who opposes Prop 8 has needed to lie. So, why have supporters of Prop 8 had to do so? The fact that Prop 8 supporters have had to resort to lying says a lot about you. I challenge you to present a shred of non-partisan documentation that backs up your claims. And I challenge you to find one opponent of Prop 8 to corroborate your absurd claims. Just one.
(Good luck with that.)
Meanwhile, I leave you with a question:
If Prop 8 passes, you'll no doubt claim that "God's will was done." With that in mind, if Prop 8 is defeated, will you admit that "God's will was done"? Or is "God's will" only done when he appears to agree with you
First, I don't speak for God and am quite frustrated with the direction of this discussion. I feel that this is more of a social issue than a religious issue. I am very interested to hear your point of view and will be nothing but respecting and tolerant. Tolerance is about respecting differences without necessarily being uniform.
As to your question, we are seeing that the same groups fighting in opposition of Prop 8 in California are the same groups that are fighting for same-sex marriage to be added to elementary curriculum.
From the ACLU Amicus Curiae Brief:
"Specifically, the parents in this case do not have a constitutional right to override the professional pedagogical judgment of the school with respect to the inclusion within the curriculum of the age-appropriate children's book...'King and King'." [p 9]
"This court has astutely recognized that a broad right of a parent to opt a child out of a lesson would fatally compromise the ability of a school to provide a meaningful education, a conclusion that holds true regardless of the age of the child or the nature of the belief." [p 18]
"First, a broad right of a parent to opt a child out of a lesson would subject a school to a staggering administrative burden...Second, in contravention of the axiom that 'the classroom is peculiarly the 'marketplace of ideas' [citations], a broad right of a parent to opt a child out of a lesson would chill discussion in the classroom...Third, the coming and goings of those children who have been opted out of lessons would be highly disruptive to the learning environment. Moreover, such comings and goings would fatally undermine the lessons that schools teach
the other students." [pp 22-23]
(Note: The Northern California Chapter of the ACLU has also formed a Proposition 8 opposition committee: No on Prop 8, Campaign for Marriage Equality, a project of the ACLU of Northern California (ID# 1308178). This committee has collected $1.6 million in contributions (as of 10/8/08), including more than $70,000 from the ACLU of northern California, as well
as $8,000 from the ACLU Foundation. This committee has contributed $1,250,000 to No on 8, Equality for All (ID# 1259396), the main No on Proposition 8 campaign committee.)
There are several other sources such as this one available here: http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...4905820&EDATE=