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Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post

Congratulations,I hope you and frugality have twins,one boy and one other boy.You might be one of the lucky ones,remember if one of them turns out gay,there's a fifty percent chance the other will be gay too.

Rave on, I'm near 70, and my kids are probably older than you are. No gays in the lot. What you really hope is to turn around our society, and your plans are falling flat on their face.

I don't care if you want to be gay, but you aren't going to sully the word marriage by including same sex partners in the contract. Got AIDS yet?
post #882 of 1350
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Rave on, I'm near 70, and my kids are probably older than you are. No gays in the lot. What you really hope is to turn around our society, and your plans are falling flat on their face.

I don't care if you want to be gay, but you aren't going to sully the word marriage by including same sex partners in the contract. Got AIDS yet?

You should be asking the Praying Mantis frugality that question,not me.

I look forward to reading the demographic reports of prop 8 relating to age.Your times numbered.
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post #883 of 1350
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Gay marriage is a legal right that relates to being able to do the same business as anyone else: insurance, hospital visitation rights, and other legal protections that married couples take for granted. The government does not clearly define the civil and religious aspects of marriage, so there's not some non-religious form of domestic partnership that gives gays the same legal rights as other people.

Nobody is forcing gays into your religion, the issue is whether religions should force their dogma on the government. Prop 8 is an effort to rewrite the constitution to say that gays can't have the same legal rights as anyone else.

It is not a matter of religion forcing itself on the government, but the other way around. if Gay /marriage is allowed, ministers won't have the rite to refuse to marry a homosexual couple
post #884 of 1350
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It is not a matter of religion forcing itself on the government, but the other way around. if Gay /marriage is allowed, ministers won't have the rite to refuse to marry a homosexual couple

Seriously, are you so thick you do not realise that by using blatant lies to push your views onto others the only thing you manage to do is to discredit yourself and your cause?
post #885 of 1350
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It is not a matter of religion forcing itself on the government, but the other way around. if Gay /marriage is allowed, ministers won't have the rite to refuse to marry a homosexual couple

That's 100% wrong.The law in California made it clear that gay marriage does not force any churches to marry anybody that they don't want to marry.
"no religion will be required to change its religious policies or practices with regard to same-sex couples,and no religious officiant will be required to solemnize a marriage in contravention of his or her religious beliefs." 183 P.2d. 384, 451-52 (2008)
article 1 ,section 4 already guarantees this in California.
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post #886 of 1350
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Got AIDS yet?

Are your kids or grandkids amongst the 1/3 of all new AIDS cases in America last year which spread through male-female contact?
post #887 of 1350
For christians, a lot of them sure don't have a problem bearing false witness to support their bigotry.
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This is good in a way, because yes enabling gay people to marry gives them more rights to benefits, tax, insurance deals together than say two single men just living in a house together...
however, why have Apple got involved? Is this to win some more people over to their company?
I thought it was standard practise for companies to stand neutral to political events as such.
post #889 of 1350
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Rave on, I'm near 70, and my kids are probably older than you are.

Hmm, nearly 70, that explains a lot. It must be very difficult for you to accept all the changes in society since WW2. Civil rights for black Americans, the legalisation of interracial marriage, abortion, homosexuality, and civil partnerships. It's a lot to take in, as, judging by your comments on here, you would have opposed a fair few, if not all, of these changes.

Proposition 8 may well pass on Tuesday, but one day soon it will be overturned and will be added to the list of advancements that make the world a fairer, more equal place.

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No gays in the lot.

You cannot possibly know this.

As you perceive homosexuals to be perverts they wouldn't be most unlikely to tell you if they were gay.
If there are more than 20 members in your family, then there is a high probability that at least one is gay, and sadly, they will feel that they have to hide this fact from you.

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What you really hope is to turn around our society, and your plans are falling flat on their face.

Too late; society has already been turned around since you were a boy back in the 1940s.
Gay marriage is just one of the few remaining steps on the road to full equality

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I don't care if you want to be gay, but you aren't going to sully the word marriage by including same sex partners in the contract.

Nobody wants to be gay, just as nobody wants to be straight. We are what we are; what we want to be doesn't come into it.

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Got AIDS yet?

No, and nor have the vast majority of homosexuals.

Got Alzheimer's yet?

OT Spell checking this post suggests the word 'sinful' for your username
post #890 of 1350
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This is good in a way, because yes enabling gay people to marry gives them more rights to benefits, tax, insurance deals together than say two single men just living in a house together...
however, why have Apple got involved? Is this to win some more people over to their company?
I thought it was standard practise for companies to stand neutral to political events as such.

While not illegal, it's highly unethical, just as General Electric using it's power and money to elect Obama.
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Who was the moron that said this issue would not affect citizens?

<http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,445865,00.html>
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Who was the moron that this issue would not affect citizens?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,445865,00.html

Hmm... On top of it being from Fox News, there is something fishy about that article.

PS: While I don't agree with your stance on gay rights, I do respect your decision. However, one thing I will not tolerate is the lack of hyperlinking of websites.
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post #893 of 1350
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Who was the moron that this issue would not affect citizens?

<http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,445865,00.html>

Hahaha, because teaching kids tolerance is bad, really bad. Who is the moron, you idiot?

Also as usual Fox News and its fair and balanced news. What a surprise!!
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Hahaha, because teaching kids tolerance is bad, really bad. Who is the moron, you idiot?

Also as usual Fox News and its fair and balance news. What a surprise!!

Tolerance is certainly a good thingwhich does seems to be an alien concept to most people who follow an organized religionbut the specifics of the article are well beyond the abilities of the average 5yo.

Beyond that, Zinfella shouldn't be taking this article as proof of anything (even if it is real), as there are plenty of rogue, extremist acts on the right and the left that make one's campaign look bad. To say no to Prop 8 will not alter heterosexual marriage or alter the way state supported schools teach children.
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post #895 of 1350
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Tolerance is certainly a good thing—which does seems to be an alien concept to most people who follow an organized religion—but the specifics of the article are well beyond the abilities of the average 5yo.

I guess you are aware of some kids using the word gay as synonymous of something bad but without the intent of being homophobic. Teaching them that the use of the word gay in that context is offensive to many people is not inappropriate even if they are just 5 years old.

This is the pledge card that kids were asked to sing.



How the person who wrote the article makes the connection that by asking kids to sign the cards they are supporting gays is beyond me but it is no surprise since it comes from Fox News. Tolerance is not the same as support.
post #896 of 1350
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I guess you are aware of some kids using the word gay as synonymous of something bad but without the intent of being homophobic.

That is my point. Having a 5yo sign a card that states things like anti-LGBT, transgender, and bisexual on it when they aren't using the term in a homophobic way is, well...... gay. There is nothing wrong with having homonyms in our language, which ironically seems to be the biggest factor with many people that support Prop 8; they don't mind gay rights, they just don't want it being called 'marriage'.

Schools shouldn't tolerate homophobia but this concept, as presented by Fox News (which is speculative in itself), doesn't seem healthy and I'm sure it's not shared by most people who oppose homosexual rights.
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post #897 of 1350
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I guess you are aware of some kids using the word gay as synonymous of something bad but without the intent of being homophobic. Teaching them that the use of the word gay in that context is offensive to many people is not inappropriate even if they are just 5 years old.

This is the pledge card that kids were ask to sing.



How the person who wrote the article makes the connection that by asking kids to sign the cards they are supporting gays is beyond me but it is no surprise since it comes from Fox News. Tolerance is not the same as support.

Agreed.The cards were intended for middle school and high school graders and were never meant to be given to kindergartners.
Personally,I don't think schools should play any role in sex education for kids (except in biology class) That should be up to the parents.It gives lazy or pathetic parents an excuse for not educating their kids,which is far too common already.Certainly provide training for teachers who could offer advice for those students who seek it though.
I have no problem with children being taught about descrimination of all kinds,but only when they're old enough and in history or modern or social studies not signing some retarded pledge!
Trust Fox News to try and use this misleading news story,how appropriate! No wonder zinfella has the brains of a kindergartner.
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post #898 of 1350
Good on Apple for helping fight the religious freaks that keep trying to mess in other people's relationships.
post #899 of 1350
Who is the moron who uses a link to Fox News as evidence of ANYTHING?

As an old man, you do recall when news wasn't simply meant to shock and entertain, don't you? Can't blame you though. American news is pretty much an oxymoron nowadays.

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Who was the moron that said this issue would not affect citizens?

<http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,445865,00.html>
post #900 of 1350
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I'm near 70

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Got AIDS yet?

This explains A LOT! Wouldn't you rather be out there living a happy life instead of here, displaying your bitterness and intolerance? Not much time left, you know.

BTW, suggesting that all gay people are on their path to contracting AIDS is like saying all old people are senile, bitter, croggedy farts who've lost their bladder control. However, since we're stereotyping, yours seems to fit quite well.
post #901 of 1350
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Californians already voted to ban gay marriage, years ago. So hear we are again wasting more money on an issue that the people of california have already voted on, just because some lame SF judges feel the need to define marriage.

And every state in the South voted to allow slavery. Why did we revisit that issue, then?

Because it was discriminatory.

We could have a federal constitutional amendment to allow slavery... why don't you push for that?

Forbidding one consenting loving couple from sharing the same benefits, in name and in law, as another consenting loving couple is discriminatory.

If there is an amendment now, it will be overturned soon, as the old farts die off.

Why? Because discrimination is discrimination, and we are advancing as a society.

It was religious conservatives (yes, some of them were democrats) who wanted slavery to be legal.
It was religious conservatives who wanted segregation to be legal.
It was religious conservatives who wanted interracial marriage to be illegal.
It was religious conservatives who want same-sex marriage to be illegal.

It is the religious conservatives who are always behind the curve in terms of equal rights.
post #902 of 1350
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I guess you are aware of some kids using the word gay as synonymous of something bad but without the intent of being homophobic. Teaching them that the use of the word gay in that context is offensive to many people is not inappropriate even if they are just 5 years old.


A quick look through some YouTube comments, as well as comments on this board, will show that ignorance and naiveté isn't only the preserve of 5 year olds.

The oh-so-typically-American use of "fag" (plus numerous variants involving, for example the word "butt") as an insult says a lot about how closed-minded, unlearned and prejudiced those in the Land of the Free* can be.


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Hahaha, because teaching kids tolerance is bad, really bad. Who is the moron, you idiot?

Also as usual Fox News and its fair and balance news. What a surprise!!

You're embarrassing yourself. Fox News is more fair and balanced than any other network, as shown by independent audits. I'm sure you prefer the far left media anyway, as that's where the fringe left loves to hangout, and where lies trump truth.
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1) Why would you purposely try to prevent the forum from parsing your links?

2) Associating NAMBLA's rape with a normal homosexual male, is like associating the rape of a female child with a normal heterosexual male.

3) Don't be so daft to think 'being born gay" is a term that means that genes are the only way to be born gay. We are considerably more complex organisms than that. The term is really just colloquial to infer that it's not a choice one makes, but one that is part of that person's natural biological makeup, perhaps even just a normal variation in the way 'God' created us to teach us about tolerance. If you aren't tolerant you may need to pay Charon for your ferryboat ride across the river Styx.

4) I'd like to know at what age you choose NOT to be gay. What is a hard choice for you to make? Did you struggle with your sexuality for awhile? Did you visit bath houses in your younger days until you got your fill... literally?
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1) Why would you purposely try to prevent the forum from parsing your links?

2) Associating NAMBLA's rape with the normal homosexual male, is like associating the rape of a female child as the same as the normal heterosexual male.

3) Don't be so daft to think 'being born gay" is a term that means that genes are the only way to be born gay. We are considerably more complex organisms than that. The term is really just colloquial to infer that it's not a choice one makes, but one that is part of that person's natural biological makeup, perhaps even just a normal variation in the way 'God' created us to teach us about tolerance. If you aren't tolerance you mean need to pay Charon for your ferryboat ride across the river Styx.

4) I'd like to know at what age you choose NOT to be gay. What is a hard choice for you to make? Did you struggle with your sexuality for awhile? Did you visit bath houses in your younger days until you got your fill... literally?

The attempt here was to shoot the messenger, Fox News, instead of the message. Here's my source for using Fox New as a source.

<http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,445846,00.html>

As I said above, it's an independent audit of the media.

Now to your rhetoric above. It's not even worth a response, and I'm pretty sure that you know that.
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Isn't it clear? Zinfella believes it's a choice because at one point, he chose to be straight, against his natural urges. It's become obvious his homophobia is the result of years of repressed homosexual tendencies, like when a gay basher is acting out because of his own self hatred. It's sad that he's almost 70 and never got a chance to deal with it and it's an example of why Californians should fight against Prop 8.

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1) 4) I'd like to know at what age you choose NOT to be gay. What is a hard choice for you to make? Did you struggle with your sexuality for awhile? Did you visit bath houses in your younger days until you got your fill... literally?
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You're embarrassing yourself. Fox News is more fair and balanced than any other network, as shown by independent audits. I'm sure you prefer the far left media anyway, as that's where the fringe left loves to hangout, and where lies trump truth.

Of course, I'm embarrassing myself for thinking that Fox News is anything but fair and balanced or for thinking that every human being should have the same rights and obligations. You may fool yourself but that is as far as it goes. The rest of the people can see you for what you really are, a bigoted homophobic miserable man.
post #909 of 1350
Oh, you blasphemous heathens! How dare you fail to bow down in acquiescence to Fox News' diktat! Don't you know that Bill O'Reilly is proof that there's a God? You will all fry in Hell!
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Oh, you blasphemous heathens! How dare you fail to bow down in acquiescence to Fox News' diktat! Don't you know that Bill O'Reilly is proof that there's a God? You will all fry in Hell!

Speaking of O'Reilly, this video always makes me laugh...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJjNVVwRCY
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Of course, I'm embarrassing myself for thinking that Fox News is anything but fair and balanced or for thinking that every human being should have the same rights and obligations. You may fool yourself but that is as far as it goes. The rest of the people can see you for what you really are, a bigoted homophobic miserable man.

It takes chutzpah to call someone that does not support deviates a bigot. You, and the rest of the gay community, are in the decided minority in this country, but you're just to self absorbed to know it.
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It takes chutzpah to call someone that does not support deviates a bigot.

No, it only takes reading your posts.
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Speaking of NAMBLA and your dislike for Obama, here is pic that might help fuel some fire for you.

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Speaking of NAMBLA and your dislike for Obama, here is pic that might help fuel some fire for you.


Just remember, in 2000 and 2004, the polls were wrong. Typically, just like Obama, you guys are counting your chickens before they're hatched. I've already voted for McCain, not because particularly like him, but because Obama is a Marxist. Maybe you guys haven't been around long enough to know what that means, but you can bet your a$$ that I have. Obama is 100% platitudes, and no substance, he has not track record of doing what he promises to do. Indeed he has been THE most partisan, left wing Senator in the US Senate. He has NO record of crossing the isle as he claims. Not that I think you guys care anything about facts.
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Just remember, in 2000 and 2004, the polls were wrong. Typically, just like Obama, you guys are counting your chickens before they're hatched. I've already voted for McCain, not because particularly like him, but because Obama is a Marxist. Maybe you guys haven't been around long enough to know what that means, but you can bet your a$$ that I have. Obama is 100% platitudes, and no substance, he has not track record of doing what he promises to do. Indeed he has been THE most partisan, left wing Senator in the US Senate. He has NO record of crossing the isle as he claims. Not that I think you guys care anything about facts.

1% of the US population owns 40% of it's wealth.The top 5% of the US population own 80% of it's wealth. Bush and McCain want to give that 1%, 43% of their multi trillion dollar tax cuts whilst 40% of the population,who are the least wealthy get almost nothing,an average of just $115 each annually (just more screwed) Barack Obama wants to give a bigger tax break to those who have less.And John McCain originally voted against Bush's tax cut, saying it was unfair to expect the burden on the poorer 50% of the population to pay more in taxes whilst the top 1% save on average annually approximately $46,000 on an income of $700,000 a year and there considered poor in that group.That means that through Bush/McCain the top 1% get 36% (43% withoutht any estate taxes) of the tax cut even though they only pay 20% of the total taxes.This doesn't even factor in that a quarter of the tax cut is in estate tax which it is estimated that the top 1% income earners pay 91% of.Only 2 in a hundred estates qualify to pay any taxes at all.

Joe the plumber,filed earnings of $48,000 and would pay less in taxes through Obama than McCain. If he bought that business and filed earnings of $250,000 he would pay $300 more than he currently would have to pay,but that's hardly Marxist!
Remember also that Europe has a GDP of $16 trillion to America's $14 trillion.I suspect Marxism is to blame for that.America's debt is about 40% higher than Europe and to make it worse the US has just had a month of negative growth,which will continue,and get worse making that debt even harder to pay off.You can thank Bush/McCain for that.
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It's amazing how these idiots can be brainwashed into using these Fox News buzzwords like "Marxism" in a public forum while simultaneously revealing that they don't have a single idea in Hell what it means!

If by that they mean someone is not a doctrinaire Smithist, and doesn't advocate the blind following of laissez-faire, dog-eat-dog, let-them-eat-cake, Robber-Baron-capitalist dogma right off a cliff (as the Rethuglicans have had us doing since that venomous pustule Reagan got in), then he's a "Marxist."

Get off of Fox News and join us in the real world, where words have meanings and nothing "trickles down;" it's all sucked UP!
post #917 of 1350
Isn't age supposed to bring wisdom? Evidently not if Fox News has any say.

Marxist!?

How can our education system and media fail so miserably?
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Guys I have to upset you: actually many religions ban homosexualism (catholicism and other christians, judaism and i suppose islam. in case of christianity it's stated clearly in bible). So apple says it isn't religious issue, but they are wrong. So discussing this topic has no sense at all, since these religions constitute over 2/3.

Of course it seems that homosexual fraction is very aggressive
and unfortunatelly they insult other mac users in this forum . I think that AppleInsider Admins should do something with this.
Again it's very bad for apple.
post #919 of 1350
To Apple and Mr Jobs,

I have been a supporter of apple for about 3 or 4 years now, like the operating system, the product design and it's innovative improvements to both aspects of it's output. I've recently spent the most I ever have on computer hardware after a successful period, purchasing a 30 inch display for the MBP I use, a macbook air and an iphone. I had become almost intoxicated with the company, and was not disappointed with the new products.
However, what I was disheartened and disappointed at one morning was one of the news feeds delivered to my inbox. Apparently Apple are now actively supporting homosexual "marriage" and are using funds they have made to advance this cause. I believe that marriage is a sacred union between a man and a woman, for the purpose of bringing children, naturally into the world. It is a Holy covenant ordained by God and affirmed biologically for this purpose. Those who engage in same sex relationships are violating our natural and sacred design, which is clearly the union of male and female organs in a sexual nature. Anything outside of that is sodomy, which is essentially a violation of another body, regardless of their willing submission, for ones own pleasure and abuse.
The fact that you Mr Jobs and Apple, are now towing the line of this popular morally blind crusade of deceitful "equality" seeking, should I suppose, be of no real surprise. It seems the value of respect, decency and sex has been reduced and almost erased from western culture. I have no problem with people who label themselves gay, but if they practice what their lust entails, then they are violating natural and sacred laws and orders. To do this willfully, without any regret or conscience, actually in pride, brings great social and spiritual degeneration. The fact that you seem so blind to this amazes me.
I object to any funds from products I purchase going towards a cause I disagree with and think is morally corrupt and perverted. The promotion of illicit sodomy relationships as decent and right under the banner of marriage, is really appalling in my view. It is essentially thumbing your nose at the great system programmer of this universe, and saying "we know you created an awesome system of architecture here, but we think this virus should have equal status and merit"
Yes I would compare God to the Master programmer of these myriad genetic and bio-mechanical systems we have and are, the originator of that intangible and unknown consciousness/spirit within. And I would compare degenerate practices to a virus upon our society. We do not heal a virus by funding and encouraging it, we have to recognize the correct way the system should function and rewrite the code.
Which analogously would be repentance of abusive lusts and violence, and a return in humility to holiness, purity, and goodness.
What should two same sex who are consenting do if they desire each other?
They should recognize that not every desire or thought we have merits or justifies expression. Many thoughts that come can be depraved and violent, it is our choice whether to act upon them, perpetuate them, or reject them as not right and harmful.
We were not designed by God or nature to conduct ourselves sexually with the same gender. The acts which ensue from such desires are counter to what is natural, holy, and respectful in our own better judgment and conscience.
The argument is usually put forth, if you are not harming anyone its OK, but the reality is a great deal of harm is occurring under the surface and is not recognized.
Not only on a Spiritual level for those who believe, but also on a social cultural level. Family breakdown, promiscuity, thoughts, lifestyles spread throughout society like wildfire, and in a liberal society that loses all sense of balance and proportion, an "anything goes alternative lifestyle" becomes normal.
As soon as you devalue sex and marriage, remove God from the equation, then anything goes, and the "alternative community" is at the forefront of this social motion, it has intertwined with heterosexuals also and now the programming system of order "marriage" has been essentially broken as all respect has gone.
The purpose of marriage is the covenant commitment and bond between the male and the female to further life, creation and human beings. We are designed biologically for that function and it is essential that we respect our design. Respect is a central part of love, if we do not respect our design, and seek to violate it, in order to fulfill base lusts then it is not love. We are to love our fellow man, and woman are to love their fellow sisters, but as soon as lust arises in these cases, all respect and love is gone. It becomes purely a love for the flesh and not a love for the soul, personality and being. Why? Because if there was LOVE between the same sex, they would respect each-others natural design and order and not want to violate and sodomize each-other, regardless of the willingness of the person.
Trying to dress up sodomy relationships as legitimate and right by honoring them with the term "marriage" is very misguided and shameful.
I might have know that the bitten apple logo was an atheistic reference to the tree of knowledge and satan.
I won't be buying another apple product again. I wish that you wake up to holiness and Spirituality and what is right and true. The earthly physical life is but a blip, what matters is the destiny of our eternal Soul and Spirit, and that choice is in our own hands. We need to repent, humble ourselves, turn from our degenerate ways and sincerely walk in a new light of goodness, holiness and love.

I no longer am happy to be associated with Apple and I would encourage anyone else with decency to take a stand against Apples active support of "gay marriage" and boycott any further product purchases.
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In regards to this thread, I can argue against sodomy and homosexuality from both a secular and religious standpoint.
without supernatural belief, the lust is of no biological function other than to quench animalistic lusts, in doing so it absolves the respect for each-others natural design and order, regardless of the willing submission of the other person. Love requires respect, and committing sex outside the natural method shows total abuse of the person for your own please. Even if the person submits to the abuse and sodomy, it is not a loving act, it is the use of another body in unnatural ways to fulfill perverted base desires, there have been cases of cannibals who have had their "partners" submit to them being eaten alive, this is a similarly immoral and disgusting violation regardless of both participants consent and has effects on society and weak willed minds. A general collapse of moral values and self control and the descent into utter chaos, as we can gradually see.
From the Spiritual perspective it is obviously wrong also, a violation of our divine design and order. Our organs have a very real biological assignment and function/role which we should respect and not abuse. Life is precious and the function by which we produce new life should be valued as sacred (as even obama says). There is a clear order we should respect. Love is about respect, and if sex involves respect, then we would follow it's natural and right place and function.
Marriage is a sacred commitment for the support and creation of new human life into the world - trying to give sodomy this sacred title is disgusting, sickening and shameful.
God is love, and wants us to live in love with both sexes. That is the point, same sex excludes the respect of our natural and sacred design and order, for the sake of pursuing strange base lusts. Love would return our society to balance, right order, respect, decency, holiness, purity and goodness, but the lack of love and respect in the west especially now has lead to moral and social chaos and degeneration.
We should at least try to understand this, and turn from violent and reckless lusts and ways, and return to humility, holiness, love and respect of life.
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