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Stating the obvious, easy. And thanks dude. While you're busy criticizing my mockup, why not do you yourself.



Betting man are we? So it would "require tremendous effort" and that's why they aren't going to do it? I think you're wrong about that. It will require a lot of effort, which is why it's taking them years to do. They are doing it though, they are bringing touch to the Mac, in a way that makes sense, like Mac touch. All the best results require the hardest effort. They'll put in this work, and they'll reap the benefits.

Well, ever since the iPhone was released, not a whole lot of things have happened on the Mac OS X side of things. Are you secretly wanting to halt Mac OS X development completely? I think so.
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Well, ever since the iPhone was released, not a whole lot of things have happened on the Mac OS X side of things. Are you secretly wanting to halt Mac OS X development completely? I think so.

Yeah, that's why I want.

I want Apple to get into the tyre making business, and then expand over to seed and grain commodities

I wouldn't call adding a Cocoa touch user interface, which has been in development for years, to Snow Leopard; "halting Mac OS X development completely". You Sir are bit of crazy. People are going mobile, and unless Apple evolves (like it is doing) they will lose out. What you see as 'halting Mac OS X development', I see as improving and evolving it. Mac touch FTW!
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Dude, get real...

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Well, ever since the iPhone was released, not a whole lot of things have happened on the Mac OS X side of things.

Yeah, Leopard was something any hack could throw together in a few days, and Snow Leopard promises to be more of the same...

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Dude, get real...

Everyone knows the big bucks are in pork belly futures!

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Mac touch FTW!

You better buy that domain ASAP... www.mactouchFTW.com

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You better buy that domain ASAP... www.mactouchFTW.com

I bought that about 7 months ago. .com .net .org etc. Really.

Mac touch FTW!
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what is the point of this tablet/touch screen idea? Wouldn't everyone rather have a keyboard and a mouse then typing on a touch screen, along with having a 50/50 shot on clicking on the correct item? I just don't understand this.
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Actually, I didn't get it either until I got an iPod Touch. I find myself using it to surf the net on the couch watching TV and now I am jonesing for a bigger tablet. I also find that I like the touch functions for games.

Since Apple seems to be determined not to provide this product for me, I have been investigating installing OSX on one of these:
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Touch is addicting.
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Touch is addicting.

Totally agree with your post, but I hate that word; addicting!
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post #50 of 164
Ireland,

You get our juices flowing with nice picutures and specs, but then you say that we'll have to wait over a year. That's not nice...

Could you detail why you belive it's more than a year away. Apple had been working with OS X Touch, years before the iPhone came out.

I'm still hoping for MW 09.

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EXCELLENT!

[Note: I originally wrote this in another thread, then saw this thread and moved it here.]

My stupid $0.04 . . .

Notebooks and laptops simply don't work for a lot of applications. Laptops are being increasingly used in field applications where it's often difficult to find a "lap" on which to perch a "portable" computer. Working in entertainment, I see countless Macbooks on movie sets and on photo shoots, where assistants constantly seem to be doing that stand-while-holding-the-laptop-on-one-palm thing. That's why specialized industrial PDAs seem to have taken over other, more broad-based industries such as delivery services (FedEx, UPS), retailing, warehousing, etc. throughout the last decade. These specialized, industrial-use only PDAs are rugged, small, and most importantly, DON'T NEED A LAP to be able to be used effectively. But, specialized PDAs tend to be expensive, B-to-B product offerings (smaller market), and the available choice of applications for them are either limited (too vertical), or must be custom-coded (expensive). I'm not saying Apple needs to get into the industrial PDA business, but I'm betting there's a sizable market available for a super well-designed tablet-like Mac that you would use more like a clipboard, rather than a napkin.

In my view, the biggest hole in Apple's product line-up is a tablet Mac (or some otherwise, similarly conceived, use-while-standing-up kinda Mac). The iPod touch is a great product, but underpowered, and too small for most industrial applications (not to mention, too fragile). Personally, I've never liked using laptops, and never owned one, but I would consider owning a tablet PC. Although I don't really need a mobile computing platform, some of my friends' businesses certainly do, and would benefit greatly from a tablet kind of Mac. My main ergonomic gripe with the conventional laptop, I guess, is its clamshell design and its attached keyboard. I would much rather have something like Ireland's design, with an optional detachable keyboard. To me, that's head and shoulders more ergonomically and functionally adaptable, especially for work in unusually rugged or highly movable locations. You could set the main "slate" on some convenient surface, when wanting to set up a temporary mobile work area, and If someone inadvertently trips over the keyboard, for another $50, you can replace it.
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Yeah, that's why I want.

I want Apple to get into the tyre making business, and then expand over to seed and grain commodities

I wouldn't call adding a Cocoa touch user interface, which has been in development for years, to Snow Leopard; "halting Mac OS X development completely". You Sir are bit of crazy. People are going mobile, and unless Apple evolves (like it is doing) they will lose out. What you see as 'halting Mac OS X development', I see as improving and evolving it. Mac touch FTW!

Ah but people are only going mobile where it makes SENSE. There's the nuance.

You'll have to tell me who would be the Mac touch's primary user. And you'll have to tell me why they'd choose a tablet over a notebook computer. In your mockup, it's clear that the Mac touch doesn't fit in pockets...it will have to be carried around in a bag of some sort...just like a laptop. And the laptop has a fullblown OS, not some retarded gimped OS that is made for tiny screens.
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Ah but people are only going mobile where it makes SENSE. There's the nuance.

You'll have to tell me who would be the Mac touch's primary user. And you'll have to tell me why they'd choose a tablet over a notebook computer. In your mockup, it's clear that the Mac touch doesn't fit in pockets...it will have to be carried around in a bag of some sort...just like a laptop. And the laptop has a fullblown OS, not some retarded gimped OS that is made for tiny screens.

Both a larger iPod Touch type device, and a 10" tablet makes sense. They are TWO different market.
One is for the person who doesn't need the capabilities of the full OS while the other is.

I have worked both retail and outside sales. In retail it would have been nice to know what was in stock without going away from the customer. In outside sales, I am already carrying samples and anything that will allow me to write orders send them to the supplier and have capability to attach to a printer to give the customer a copy of their order works better.
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Both a larger iPod Touch type device, and a 10" tablet makes sense. They are TWO different market.
One is for the person who doesn't need the capabilities of the full OS while the other is.

I have worked both retail and outside sales. In retail it would have been nice to know what was in stock without going away from the customer. In outside sales, I am already carrying samples and anything that will allow me to write orders send them to the supplier and have capability to attach to a printer to give the customer a copy of their order works better.

So you want these tablets to be capable of hooking up to a printer? Sheeesh. I think you fall into a ultra-niche category that Apple will never satisfy.
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Notebooks and laptops simply don't work for a lot of applications. Laptops are being increasingly used in field applications where it's often difficult to find a "lap" on which to perch a "portable" computer. Working in entertainment, I see countless Macbooks on movie sets and on photo shoots, where assistants constantly seem to be doing that stand-while-holding-the-laptop-on-one-palm thing. That's why specialized industrial PDAs seem to have taken over other, more broad-based industries such as delivery services (FedEx, UPS), retailing, warehousing, etc. throughout the last decade. These specialized, industrial-use only PDAs are rugged, small, and most importantly, DON'T NEED A LAP to be able to be used effectively. But, specialized PDAs tend to be expensive, B-to-B product offerings (smaller market), and the available choice of applications for them are either limited (too vertical), or must be custom-coded (expensive). I'm not saying Apple needs to get into the industrial PDA business, but I'm betting there's a sizable market available for a super well-designed tablet-like Mac that you would use more like a clipboard, rather than a napkin.

In my view, the biggest hole in Apple's product line-up is a tablet Mac (or some otherwise, similarly conceived, use-while-standing-up kinda Mac). The iPod touch is a great product, but underpowered, and too small for most industrial applications (not to mention, too fragile). Personally, I've never liked using laptops, and never owned one, but I would consider owning a tablet PC. Although I don't really need a mobile computing platform, some of my friends' businesses certainly do, and would benefit greatly from a tablet kind of Mac. My main ergonomic gripe with the conventional laptop, I guess, is its clamshell design and its attached keyboard. I would much rather have something like Ireland's design, with an optional detachable keyboard. To me, that's head and shoulders more ergonomically and functionally adaptable, especially for work in unusually rugged or highly movable locations. You could set the main "slate" on some convenient surface, when wanting to set up a temporary mobile work area, and If someone inadvertently trips over the keyboard, for another $50, you can replace it.

Great post. That's sort of the point of this device, despite immediate concerns over usability and applications, this Mac touch would actually prove unusually versatile. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't see everyone chuck their laptops and go with this device (some people will never give up that hardware keyboard etc.), but I would see some people do that, and I would see a whole lot more choose one of these rather than a Windows or lin "netbook" - which Steve's says is still a niche market, but we all know he's lying through his teeth, they probably have several prototypes in the lab which they were testing the day he said this. When in school or at aboard meeting they would pop out the rear angle rest to prop Mac touch up at 20º for simultaneous typing, viewing and note taking.

I also believe it to be a possibility that this device will need a mother computer to sync to, not definite, but I see it as a possible angle Apple take with Mac touch. It would be like a large screened iPhone, but for real work, and syncing it back to your large desktop Mac would sync all changes you made, and it will solve the backing up issue (smaller devices won't want to be backing up via Time Machine over the air as that would hog the battery), and people will need to buy more stuff (e.g. Time Capsule) to perform backups. It would probably be set up and synced through iTunes. We'll see about this though, the product is the most important thing to me anyway, not how you set it up.
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Originally Posted by Daniel B

Ireland,

You get our juices flowing with nice picutures and specs, but then you say that we'll have to wait over a year. That's not nice...



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Could you detail why you believe it's more than a year away. Apple had been working with OS X Touch, years before the iPhone came out.

Like all the naysayers say; Apple won't do this; "It's far too much work, to maintain yet another variant of OS X. Will never happen".

That's why it's, I believe, still about a year away (Macworld 2010). It's a lot, a lot, a lot of work; more work than the iPhone software (but they've gained a lot of experience), and they simply have had too much on their plate to rush this to market, they don't tend to rush stuff to market in general anyway. They are working on it, I am confident, but it's going to take some time to be ready to ship such a device. Full Cocoa touch OS X? Come on, that would take "years"
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So you want these tablets to be capable of hooking up to a printer? Sheeesh. I think you fall into a ultra-niche category that Apple will never satisfy.

Canon and other make small portable printers that many sales people use.
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I just don't understand how useful this would be. It can't fit in a pocket, so what's the point of it? I just don't see how it would have an advantage over a laptop with a keyboard and mouse pad. Maybe a smaller laptop with a full touchscreen on it?
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Both a larger iPod Touch type device, and a 10" tablet makes sense. They are TWO different market.
One is for the person who doesn't need the capabilities of the full OS while the other is.

Yes they are two different markets but I look a tit this way the 10" would be for people that have deluded themselves into thinking that the 10 incher would be useful as a portable device. The people after the pocketable devices just want a single device in their pocket that leverages communications and significant apps.
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I have worked both retail and outside sales. In retail it would have been nice to know what was in stock without going away from the customer. In outside sales, I am already carrying samples and anything that will allow me to write orders send them to the supplier and have capability to attach to a printer to give the customer a copy of their order works better.

All of that can be done from micro laptops that already have found space on the market shelf. The question you have to ask your self is this, would a Touch based device actually help in this regards or hurt. Certainly you could not expect good results out of the current state of the art in Touch based devices.

Dave
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So you want these tablets to be capable of hooking up to a printer? Sheeesh. I think you fall into a ultra-niche category that Apple will never satisfy.

Seriously Apple would be much farther ahead getting print drivers onto iPhone before investing time into a large tablet no body would buy. There are a lot of reasons to want to print from one of these machines. Everything form a PDF downloaded from the net to a monthly calendar.

Yeah the device is small and light weight in capabilities but that is only a short time concern. First off the ideal solution would be to use WiFi for printing services on an iPhone, so no additional hardware is required there. The software suite is non trivial but frankly much of the work has already been done. Yeah the processor is a bit pokey but people did just fine on pokey 400MHz processors only a few years ago.

The thing is this; the performance of iPhone, at its current level, is a very temporary thing. We are basically working with gen one computing hardware as the processor isn't significantly different from Apples old iPhone. If Apple really wanted to they could have SMP performance at double the clock rate in a year. That would be two cores running at 800MHz and possibly using less power overall. Now we all know Apples relationship with PA SEMI but the product doesn't even have to contend with that being a success, as Broadcom has already announced such a processor. The reality is ARM has a lot of process shrinks in its future and as a result it would be possible to put several ARM CPU's on a chip along with all the support functions. We as consumers are just now experiencing the potential os SoC techniques, just imagine what will be possible with a 32nm ARM process.

What is clear is that iPhone or competitive devices will be able to replace many peoples need of portable computers. Yeah this require evolution of Mobile OS from its current form but Apple is already going full speed ahead there.


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I just don't understand how useful this would be.

That my friend, is the problem. When they release it you may then.
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Yes they are two different markets but I look a tit this way the 10" would be for people that have deluded themselves into thinking that the 10 incher would be useful as a portable device.

Well 3.5" is useful. 10" would the "way more useful". And frankly I see it as a way to take a bite of this netbook market, and the best way for them to bring touch to the Mac.
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Here's a thought...

If you don't like the idea of a pure slate tablet from Apple, okay.

But do you all have to come into threads that are CLEARLY about pure slate tablets from Apple and spread your FUD about...?!?

We (the True Believers) can go on and on about how a pure slate tablet from Apple would enrich our lives, while the naysayers have little to offer other than I don't want one, therefore, no one else should seriously want one.

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We (the True Believers) can go on and on about how a pure slate tablet from Apple would enrich our lives



Cheers, man.
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I think having a large touch screen could yield exciting possibilities for audio applications, I'm thinking instrument control be it live or studio.

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What is the point of this mouse/graphical user interface idea? Wouldn't everyone rather have a command line and a keyboard then clicking on assorted icons... I just don't understand this.

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Well 3.5" is useful. 10" would the "way more useful". And frankly I see it as a way to take a bite of this netbook market, and the best way for them to bring touch to the Mac.

One of the concepts that my whole argument is based on is that of bigger equaling better doesn't always apply to hand held devices. Especially if there is a large increase in weight. The ten inch device as laid out in this thread simply won't get the adoption that many here think it will get.

As for the net books and stuff; sorry guys but with out a real key board I don't see how a Touch only device would have a chance in hell. That keyboard is very important even more so on any device you expect to use in a more interactive way than an iPod. The other thing is how would you make use of such a device when you don't want to hand hold it.

The key here to understanding how or why this won't succeed is to look at what is already on the market and has had some success. Here I'm talking about slate type devices for commercial use by suveyors, utilities and the like. These are people that actually use tablets in the field today. You will not see tablets with this form factor at all. The reason is simple, larger form factors are not conducive to on the go hand held operation. Once something becomes so wide that it can't be gripped in one hand it becomes useless.

Of course none of this presupposes that apple won't try to market such a device just that one should not expect a raging success. Instead it will be like the AIR. That is the unit will sell fast to those with little sense and then die down to practically nothing when all of the faithful have Been exploited.

To be successful one needs to look at the current IPhone. Anything that Is much wider than the current iPhone is long, is just to big. The modeled device is simply to big to be considered a hand held device.

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^what he said^



If it can't fit in your pocket or easily used in one hand, then it would be pointless to have a device without a keyboard and mouse. The touch screen would only be annoying and would decrease work production. It's either got to fit in a pocket or it's a laptop (or net book if you're getting nitpicky). Touch screens that can't fit in a pants pocket SEEMS like a cool idea and would look awesome, but the functionality of it is where the product is held up.

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That my friend, is the problem. When they release it you may then.

Wait...you don't know the usefulness either?

I can't see a tablet going beyond games for something useful. I games would be very fun, but I'd still prefer to have a keyboard underneath.
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Far better to have a netbook sized convertible tablet with both multitouch and stylus. Why stylus? So you can draw things instead of fingerpaint. Multitouch on a large 30"+ surface is different from a 10" surface which is different from a iPhone sized surface.

With a netbook sized convertible you get the best of all worlds. Compact size. Physical keyboard so you can TYPE stuff. Flip the screen over and use as a ebook, drawing surface or multitouch surface. Screen is protected when it's closed.

I wouldn't mind that. eMate 2.0, preferably with nice, grippy surfaces or even a flexible handle you can slip your fingers under so there's no fear of dropping it. Although for anything less than serious typing, an onscreen thumb keyboard might suffice. As 460FILMS noted, when you're standing up or walking, a keyboard isn't much use anyway, since you'd have to hunt and peck one-handed while holding it with the other. Just not something the size of the iPhone's virtual keyboard. With the additional real estate, they wouldn't have to be the standard linear key arrangement, either. I can imagine arc-shaped key rows that match the range of motion of the thumbs.

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I disagree. Add the chip (a nominal cost) and offer an optional At&t 12 month data contract. If you don't want to pay the subscription cost, don't. You're not forced to sign any contracts, and there's no carrier lock in on Mac touch, so other phone companies can offer competitive data packages for the device, which will allow Apple to sell the device at full cost, with the added benefit of data contract competition between the companies, which will result in cheaper data deals for the user, and stimulated sales for Apple as a result.

Won't work. You would need some kind of multi-standard chip, since AT&T's 3G network isn't compatible with anybody else's. So you'd need to support Verizon's EV-DO and Sprint's Xohm WiMax (which is actually 4G) if you want any kind of choice, and neither has nationwide coverage so far.

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So you want these tablets to be capable of hooking up to a printer? Sheeesh. I think you fall into a ultra-niche category that Apple will never satisfy.

Why not? There are no major stumbling blocks. This is supposed to be running full OS X, not some beefed up iPhone OS. That means it can print, just like any other Mac. And there are quite a few Bluetooth portable printers, not to mention WiFi printers. This is supposed to have both wireless interfaces.

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Touch screens that can't fit in a pants pocket SEEMS like a cool idea and would look awesome, but the functionality of it is where the product is held up.

As someone who has owned both an iPhone and an iPod touch, I can tell you that the functionality of those is limited. It takes so much scrolling to get anything done, even just websurfing. It gets tiresome after only a couple of minutes. There's a reason the Kindle doesn't have a tiny scren.
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One of the concepts that my whole argument is based on is that of bigger equaling better doesn't always apply to hand held devices.

Please stop calling this tablet a handheld. Please! It's not in my view. I like to call it a "table tablet", and as a bonus it's the perfect "couch computer". Think Classroom Desks, DJ tables, Boardrooms, Coffee Tables, Generic Desks/Tables, Trays, Bars, Beds and Couches.

It's about "taking some work with you", and it would fit in with this modern world like fingers into a glove. It could serve "a million niches". The applications are endless. Think GIANT desktop, with a GIANT screen and boat loads of horse power at home, and all house members get a Mac touch to take with them when they are on the move. When home you sync with said desktop and it syncs your settings and changes and backs up all you data. Safe, secure, mobile, sleek, simple setup.
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Please stop calling this tablet a handheld. Please! It's not in my view. I like to call it a "table tablet", and as a bonus it's the perfect "couch computer". Think Classroom Desks, DJ tables, Boardrooms, Coffee Tables, Generic Desks/Tables, Trays, Bars, Beds and Couches.

It's about "taking some work with you", and it would fit in with this modern world like fingers into a glove. It could serve "a million niches". The applications are endless. Think GIANT desktop, with a GIANT screen and boat loads of horse power at home, and all house members get a Mac touch to take with them when they are on the move. When home you sync with said desktop and it syncs your settings and changes and backs up all you data. Safe, secure, mobile, sleek, simple setup.

To reinforce what Ireland said:

PLEASE STOP CALLING THIS TABLET A HANDHELD!!!

I see a slate tablet from Apple much as Ireland outlines above, with a few tweaks...

The GIANT screen will be the 40"+ HDTV monitor hanging on the wall in the living room, and the GIANT desktop would actually be a home server/media center. Smaller monitors (think along the lines of the 24" LED Cinema Display) could have the tablet attached (to handle the windowing and 'job requests') and serve as a 'smart terminal' feeding off of the home server. I would envision modularity in this home server, so one could add processing power as needed. The Unix underpinnings would help with the whole multiple users logged in and working at the same time (like multiple users working at the same time on an Onyx 'fridge'). MobileMe has a role here also...
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Please stop calling this tablet a handheld. Please! It's not in my view. I like to call it a "table tablet", and as a bonus it's the perfect "couch computer". Think Classroom Desks, DJ tables, Boardrooms, Coffee Tables, Generic Desks/Tables, Trays, Bars, Beds and Couches.

It's about "taking some work with you", and it would fit in with this modern world like fingers into a glove. It could serve "a million niches". The applications are endless. Think GIANT desktop, with a GIANT screen and boat loads of horse power at home, and all house members get a Mac touch to take with them when they are on the move. When home you sync with said desktop and it syncs your settings and changes and backs up all you data. Safe, secure, mobile, sleek, simple setup.

I can take some documents and read them on the way to/from the office, if I'm using public transport. I can watch a movie on a plane. I can read a Word or OpenOffice document, but not really edit it. I can read my mail, and make short answers (like "OK") provided I'm in a place with wi-fi coverage...

That's nice but not worth the hassle. If I'm already carrying something like that, and putting it on a desk, I might as well carry a laptop.
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Yeah, that's why I want.

I want Apple to get into the tyre making business, and then expand over to seed and grain commodities

yeah, but bottled water FIRST11!!!1!!

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Here's a thought...

If you don't like the idea of a pure slate tablet from Apple, okay.

But do you all have to come into threads that are CLEARLY about pure slate tablets from Apple and spread your FUD about...?!?

We (the True Believers) can go on and on about how a pure slate tablet from Apple would enrich our lives, while the naysayers have little to offer other than I don't want one, therefore, no one else should seriously want one.

Hello? That record broke a long time ago, thanks...

Isn't it equally true then the other way around, I want I want, therefore Apple must provide.

I believe that Apple should enter the bottled water business, I have posted before how this could work, its a big market and with Apple branding they could capture a large portion of this lucrative area. SO should we have constant threads started by the same nitwits going over the Same thing about how Apple SHOULD enter this market, after all I BELIEVE.

bottled water FTW!!
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Isn't it equally true then the other way around, I want I want, therefore Apple must provide.

I believe that Apple should enter the bottled water business, I have posted before how this could work, its a big market and with Apple branding they could capture a large portion of this lucrative area. SO should we have constant threads started by the same nitwits going over the Same thing about how Apple SHOULD enter this market, after all I BELIEVE.

bottled water FTW!!

Walter, do you ever think Apple will bring multi touch to the Mac?

I remember about 6 months before Macworld 2007 I was on here saying how obvious it was that Apple will enter the phone market, only to get the majority of people post doubtful, sometimes sarcastic, responses like yours. I was totally convinced because it was obvious. While it's not totally obvious what this Apple tablet will look like, exactly, it is obvious they are working on it, and will release it, over the next 14 months or so - well at least it is to me anyway.

P.S. You're an idiot. And I mean that in the nicest way possible
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It could use some tweaking but I like it.
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Please stop calling this tablet a handheld. Please! It's not in my view. I like to call it a "table tablet", and as a bonus it's the perfect "couch computer".

Wouldn't you be holding it in your hand while using it at the couch?
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Think Classroom Desks, DJ tables, Boardrooms, Coffee Tables, Generic Desks/Tables, Trays, Bars, Beds and Couches.

Ok explain how a tablet could be of any use at all in a classroom. Especially for taking notes or other data input uses.

As to the desks, tables and other places to lay it about how does one make use of the thing while it is laying about on these sorts of desks. What are you going to do pick it up to use, if so doesn't it become a handheld computer? The idea might have some merit if it the device ended up extremely light and thin but I don't have a lot of hope for that.
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It's about "taking some work with you", and it would fit in with this modern world like fingers into a glove.

At least with a clam shell with a real keyboard my fingers can do a bit of typing on a keyboard. That would be very useful if I'm taking work with me.
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It could serve "a million niches". The applications are endless. Think GIANT desktop, with a GIANT screen and boat loads of horse power at home, and all house members get a Mac touch to take with them when they are on the move.

Well this is funny but I don't think you are going to get all family members to carry something like that around. Frankly the iPhone draws complaints for its size right now.
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When home you sync with said desktop and it syncs your settings and changes and backs up all you data. Safe, secure, mobile, sleek, simple setup.

Yeah and the iPhone doesn't do that? Further right now I don't even need to go home to have my important stuff updated.

The problem with your position is that the very things you describe as potential uses require the unit to be handheld. Frankly I'd love to see Apple have a whole line of hand held tablets, I just don't think what you describe has the potential to sell like iPods or Laptops. The applications where a tablet of that size would actually be an improvement over the current state of the art is extremely limited. Thus I don't see a huge opportunity here like there is with other sized tablets. Lets face it the iPhones screen is a little on the small size for some uses, I think everybody agrees with that. The problem is how far can we grow the concept in size before people reject it based on usability. The problem is as size increases in a device people end up with different expectations.

Well Apple can try to manage those expectations and maybe could come up with something completely different in the way of an interface. One thing that is painfully obvious is that on board keyboards won't meet that expectation. If they have something in the labs that really addresses this issue then all bets are off. The other approach Apple could take is the consumer electronics device, like IPod, such that the device primary focus would be a large media delivery device. No Mac OS in a device like that though.


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It could use some tweaking but I like it.

You're welcome to improve it, if you do a nice job I'll credit you ask making the mockup with me on MactouchFTW(dot)com

I'm going to throw up that site next month. It'll be just a landing page with the mockup front a center, some specs, dimension and arguments for why this would be the perfect product for Apple to produce.
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As to the desks, tables and other places to lay it about how does one make use of the thing while it is laying about on these sorts of desks. What are you going to do, pick it up to use, if so doesn't it become a handheld computer? The idea might have some merit if it the device ended up extremely light and thin but I don't have a lot of hope for that.

No, no, no, no.

Like I have been saying; the whole trick with this device is the rear pop-out rest. You press it in and it pops out. It's spring loaded, and when you press it back in it sits flush on the back surface making it almost invisible, aside from the dip for your finder to press it in, and the fine slit going round it's edges. 1/4" thick, 1.5" strip of aluminum going across most of the width of Mac touch, about 1" down from the very top on the rear of the product.

When lying in a bed or on the couch you'll likely use your knees, so Mac touch will rest there when being used with its rear rest closed. And for more serious use you'll find any flat desk or surface, pop out the rest and place the Mac touch on the desk where it'll sit at between a 17 and 22 degree angle. Somewhere in there is the sweet spot where you can type, use and interact with Mac touch while also looking at the screen and consuming content. Perfect for the boardroom, education, the couch and all sort of entertainment niches.
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slit

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Huh huh, huh huh, huh

He said slit

Huh huh, huh huh, huh

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