Originally Posted by abernathy
My god I'm tired of people who obviously don't need FireWire making statements like this. [...] They have removed a port without providing a suitable replacement. Most of the better (not just "high-end") audio interfaces use FireWire - these manufacturers haven't been migrating from FW to USB, because USB can't handle the throughput.
The other day I was at lunch with 2 friends. All 3 of us had planned to buy the new MacBook. We had all changed our mind because of the lack of FireWire. None of us want a larger MacBook Pro. I don't think the 3 of us are quite as unusual as Apple thinks, and we're all sticking with our old MacBooks for the foreseeable future. I hope Apple realizes they have made a mistake.
this is exactly the same situation me and a LOT of friends are in.
we all came to that same conclusion, we are not buying now.
some of them were actually seriously saying that they would buy windows machines, and this is not so radical as it might seem to some users here, because if you are the kind of user that needs firewire, you need it to connect your hardware for software that works the same on either mac or windows, so the switch wouldn't be life-changing.
Originally Posted by wobegon
Looking at Bare Feats' storage interface shootout, Firewire 400 compared to the new MacBook Pro's (and presumably, the new MacBooks) USB 2.0, it's pretty clear there's essentially no noticeable difference in terms of speed.
it is NOT about speed at all, just look at points 2, 3, 4 and 5 of the next post, this is exactly what you would need it for.
not all computer users are spec-whores, some of uss are actually looking for usability instead of just benchmarks..
Originally Posted by jowie74
1. It's the equipment. If you've spend thousands on hardware you need FW on your computer in order to use it.
2. Unlike USB, it supports isochronous connections - data (like video) can be streamed in real-time. This is pretty much essential for DV/MiniDV. I don't think USB could handle DV if it tried (I could be wrong).
3. FireWire can draw enough power from the port that an external FW hard drive may need no other cables
4. You can daisy-chain devices together without a hub
5. You can network two machines together (peer-to-peer), plus Target Disk (booting off a machine's HD while it is "off")
Originally Posted by rickertb
Firewire has a dedicated controller that handles the traffic and therefor can handle data speedier and better.. USB on the other hand uses the main CPU for that..
Originally Posted by rhowarth
You're missing the point. It's not about speed but the whole nature of the interface which was designed specifically to support video and audio. DV and HDV camcorders all use FireWire exclusively. For example, you can connect two cameras together with a FireWire cable and make a straight digital copy without needing a computer. It's not like hard drives which have USB and FW interfaces that you can use more or less interchangeably. For video USB simply isn't an option.
There's also the problem that the new MacBooks lose FireWire target mode. And Apple could have used the much smaller 4 pin FW connector if physical space was the issue.
all of this is a clear explanation of what firewire means to those who really USE it.
not to transfer your illegally downloaded \\movie from one drive to another, but for real work, for things where it makes a difference in performance, not a difference in speed.
if YOU don't need firewire, please don't assume 99% of computer users don't need it, so keep your insulting suggestions to yourself. for those of us who do need it, it imposes a serious problem. most of us could maybe put off buying a new laptop now, but the more time you give us, the more we'll get used to the idea of using our software on a windows OS.
if the macBook pro is either too big or too expensive for you (or both), a switch is easier made than we'd want to.
(and yes: 2" more might make a huge difference: in the back of the tour bus/ van, the little desk in the train, the reserved place on stage, next to the soundboard/lightdesk, and many, many more places the size difference is real problem for some).