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post #41 of 144
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Originally Posted by lightstriker View Post

the latest A.Insider articles indicate the Mini is preferred for the server markets than Xserve is hilarious. Talk about unintented consequences...

The Mini is notable in that it has an external power supply and is basically a small cartridge sitting on a rack. The utility of such depends on the Application of course. In the right Application it can be very economical. It may loose a hair on service ability but makes up for that in being nothing more than a brick that can be swapped very quickly.


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Originally Posted by AHeneen View Post

I'm scratching my head over that one...

Me too. I personally don't like all-in-ones, but many people do. Discontinuing it, even to replace it with a modular design, would be foolish.

Steve recently said that Apple doesn't know how to make a $500 computer that doesn't suck. Yet they have a $600 computer in the lineup that performs like a $300 PC so they already sell a $500, they just don't want to admit it.

For years I've wondered why the Mac Mini wasn't notebook shaped in the first place. It should have always used the iBook/MacBook logic board for higher performance at lower production cost. It should be a huge money maker for Apple, but it can't be or they'd give it a bit of respect.

I propose two desktops to round out the lineup...

Mac Nano: MacBook without the display, keyboard, battery and expensive one piece aluminum case. $799

Mac Blade: gaming console size desktop case, standard array of ports, FW800, built-in BlueTooth and AirPort, PCIe video card, one empty PCIe slot, quad core processor, 3.5" HD, price = same range as iMac.

They'd have the entire market covered for both all-in-one and modular desktops above $800 and notebooks above $1000.
post #43 of 144
Oh boy, the xMac rumours are going to come hard and fast between now and MacWorld SF Jan 2009. Bring on the mockups! And so on... Oh, the insanity...
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Originally Posted by slapppy View Post

Yet no word on Copy and Past, Sync To Do's, Sync Note or PUSH.

I think the Mac Mini can Copy and Past(e), has To Do's, Notes, and I guess the internet equals PUSH. I'm sorry, was this article about the iPhone?
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post #45 of 144
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Originally Posted by hombrephaty View Post


"You've had the Macintosh for 24 years, and the best you could do is 8% marketshare?"

Because Apple are PINHEADS.

Example, everything in the store is sold at RETAIL when you can save 25-40% elsewhere.
Ram is overpriced.

Macbook 1st GEN COULD NEVER PLAY GAMES but PRO's found out you could run motion and other pro apps.

The OPEN GL for 1st gen MACBOOKS were:
70%
then
140%
then
171% with Leopard.

Then APPL released X300 and the benchmark dropped to 70% making MOTION useless. Why? It couldn't play games anyway so it only affected the PRO user, the user that made Apple who they are and the take a dump on them. To boot, the PRO makes up 1% now and all the CREATIVE classes went from FCP, MOTION, SHAKE to iLife, Safari, iPhoto and email. Duh. Mom and pops trying to do email.

They continue this strategy by releasing NEW MACBOOKS with no firewire. Sure it will run games and for sure, run MOTION and SHAKE, and PHOTOSHOP and APERATURE and MORE, but no FIREWIRE. Musicians are furios (LONG LIVE EFI-X, I hope this takes a big chunk from Apple). FWIW, I know some APPLE sales and GENIUS people and they say the new MACBOOKS are NOT SELLING. Good. Serves Apple right. They used to have commission for their sales people, now they get $10 dollars an hour and know one person who sold 1.3 million last year and you know what he got? A piece of paper saying good job as he works his part time, non insured $10 an hour job.

Apple needs to grow up. Fan boyz need to stop being blind and see that APPLE markets all their hardware in a way that if you really need a feature, you will have to pay for it.

The ironic thing is now the MBPro costs about the same for the MACBOOK yet the profit margins are much higher.

Again, long live EFI-X and I hope this goes on for a long time and machines can be built for fractional cost and do really well. With the help of OSX-86, you can get a laptop that also runs OSX. GOOD.

Until Apple realizes that PROS will own both (if newer machine had firewire) and release machines people want, I am all for the hacks and OSX86. Apple is fickle and am tired of them NOT GIVING THE END USER what they want.

There needs to be a Macbook with all ports, including xpress slot and firewire.
New Macbook Pro's should be differentiated by having quad cores.
New Mac Pro's should be the newer 8 cores x 2 machines and another APPLE GOTCHA is the seating that Apple uses for MAC PRO ram, why? Because if they used normal RAM and not ECC (error correction server ram), you would be able to buy 8/16 GB for 90% less than what Apple charges.

In a way, I can't wait for the end of Jobs at the helm.
You can be sure OSX will be released as an OS for any machine as well as machines that meet everyone's needs and please, spare me the APPLE WON'T DO IT (release the OS for other machines), as I have been right about everything. I said Apple would go x86 years ago, that they had to in order to keep up. Well, Apple is going to need to keep up as iPhones, machine sales are down and will go down and if Apple wants to stay on top, they will have to make tough choices, but choices that everyone wants.


Oh and release a 2.6 mini, firewire, 4GB ram, HDMI, great graphics, DVR (dump apple tv, its a dud just like the air) and get millions of sales.
post #46 of 144
It's all bs. Talk is cheap Apple. Put up or shut up.
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I don't care anymore. I've made other plans.

Whatever happens, it'll be too little too late.
post #48 of 144
What a hoot if Apple were to put Bluray into the Mac mini first....
post #49 of 144
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

I agree and it wouldn't take much- just discontinue AppleTV, add it's software to the mini, add an HDMI port and boom - it's a combo of both. I would keep the optical drive though -with an option for blu-ray.

Agreed.

I would like AppleTV to do the following (in order of descending priority):

1: be a programmable hard-disk video recorder for live TV
2: have an on-screen TV guide
3: allow quick switching between TV and wifi internet for during ad breaks
4: a DVD/bluray player
5: act as an airport base station
6: an access point to the iTunes store for music and movies
post #50 of 144
This is a great signal from Apple. Unusual, but highly welcomed. Finally, I can securely postpone my multiple-MacMini purchases to post-MWSF '09, without fear of any EOL availability issues. Kudos to Apple for stepping forward, and responding to the community which so loves this little box. I expect AppleTV and the mini to remain separate, and differentiated products, just based on the fact that they have the potential to address disparate markets (while still maintaining healthy margins and increasing revenue for both). The hinted server-oriented support (the dual-HDD option) certainly tends to support that argument.

One feature-set comment: Although lack of Firewire wouldn't necessarily be a deal-breaker (for what would be essentially, a home theater PC for me), an HDMI port sure would be nice for seamless, adapter-less integration with all of my HDMI-input equipped AVRs, and large, flat-panel TVs. I don't expect one, but it sure would be nice.
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One feature-set comment: Although lack of Firewire wouldn't necessarily be a deal-breaker (for what would be essentially, a home theater PC for me), an HDMI port sure would be nice for seamless, adapter-less integration with all of my HDMI-input equipped AVRs, and large, flat-panel TVs. I don't expect one, but it sure would be nice.

just moved my lower powered mini (again) back beside the big TV and the one thing I could do with would be HDMI WITH SOUND, it would be one less cable AND free up and optical slot on my surround amp.

I would hope for HDMI PLUS DVI/mini display port out on any new mini, difficult to say, but either way the new Apple seems to LOVE adaptors.
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post #52 of 144
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Originally Posted by Frank777 View Post

And how does this upgraded mini with a 30" screen not murder the Mac Pro?
Because that is the question that has kept Apple from offering a headless mid-Mac.

That's going a bit far I think. I highly doubt that a Mini will do anything for people looking to buy a 4-core+ Xeon workstation. It's not as if people who want a better Mini are shelling out nearly 4 times the amount of money right now. They've either built a hackintosh, are suffering out the iMac or are clinging on to older hardware (we're still on G5s and would love to upgrade to Intel towers but not at £1500 each). I would doubt that in any of those instances are they happy with the decisions Apple are making.

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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyner

It's all bs. Talk is cheap Apple. Put up or shut up.

I agree. If they would just deliver what people are asking, they wouldn't have to say to people to hang on while they get their act together.

It's understandable if any delays are caused by hardware issues and nothing to update the machines with but they've been pushing it too far. As soon as they have to ask people to hold on it means they're doing something wrong.
post #53 of 144
The hints of a dual-HDD option suggest, to me at least, that it's less likely Apple will change to 3.5" drives in a redesigned mini. Now they could go with a standard 3.5" HDD plus an optional 2.5" second HDD but that would probably be without precedent in the industry.

Maybe it just makes too much sense but I think Apple would do themselves a favor by adopting the same footprint for the mini as they already have for Time Capsule and Apple TV (7.7 " x 7.7"). Wouldn't this allow for the use of a 3.5" HDD and also provide opportunities for better design synergies/savings between the three products?
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Originally Posted by Hudson1 View Post

The hints of a dual-HDD option suggest, to me at least, that it's less likely Apple will change to 3.5" drives in a redesigned mini. Now they could go with a standard 3.5" HDD plus an optional 2.5" second HDD but that would probably be without precedent in the industry.

Maybe it just makes too much sense but I think Apple would do themselves a favor by adopting the same footprint for the mini as they already have for Time Capsule and Apple TV (7.7 " x 7.7"). Wouldn't this allow for the use of a 3.5" HDD and also provide opportunities for better design synergies/savings between the three products?

The current mini footprint is already large enough for a 3.5" drive (many companies make external 3.5" drives designed to stack with the mini) and it also already matches the footprint of the Airport Extreme base station. I have a "mini-tower" consisting of two HDs, a mini, and Airport base station. This is one of the reasons I don't see a big need for an "xMac". Just stack the components you want. (OK, you couldn't add a 2nd video card, but pretty much else.)
post #55 of 144
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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

The current mini footprint is already large enough for a 3.5" drive (many companies make external 3.5" drives designed to stack with the mini) and it also already matches the footprint of the Airport Extreme base station. I have a "mini-tower" consisting of two HDs, a mini, and Airport base station. This is one of the reasons I don't see a big need for an "xMac". Just stack the components you want. (OK, you couldn't add a 2nd video card, but pretty much else.)

It would have to be taller, though, which I have no problem with. I think rebirth of the cube would be nice, even adding a single PCIe slot, but that may be asking for too much.
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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

The current mini footprint is already large enough for a 3.5" drive (many companies make external 3.5" drives designed to stack with the mini) and it also already matches the footprint of the Airport Extreme base station. I have a "mini-tower" consisting of two HDs, a mini, and Airport base station. This is one of the reasons I don't see a big need for an "xMac". Just stack the components you want. (OK, you couldn't add a 2nd video card, but pretty much else.)

I think there's been a strong consensus here that a 6.5" x 6.5" footprint is not large enough for a computer that uses a 3.5" HDD even if there are drive enclosures of that size. My personal view is that stacking a Time Capsule on top of a mini is more useful than putting an Airport Base Station on top. That takes care of your need for a stackable drive and WiFi router in one stroke.

Also, I don't recall people saying that a 6.5" x 6.5" computer is fine while a 7.7" x 7.7" computer is "too big".
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Originally Posted by Hudson1 View Post

I think there's been a strong consensus here that a 6.5" x 6.5" footprint is not large enough for a computer that uses a 3.5" HDD even if there are drive enclosures of that size. My personal view is that stacking a Time Capsule on top of a mini is more useful than putting an Airport Base Station on top. That takes care of your need for a stackable drive and WiFi router in one stroke.

Also, I don't recall people saying that a 6.5" x 6.5" computer is fine while a 7.7" x 7.7" computer is "too big".

Yes, if the new mini is 7.7 x 7.7 that would be fine by me. Eagerly waiting to see what the new mini looks like...alas January it seems.
post #58 of 144
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Originally Posted by Hudson1 View Post

I think there's been a strong consensus here that a 6.5" x 6.5" footprint is not large enough for a computer that uses a 3.5" HDD even if there are drive enclosures of that size. My personal view is that stacking a Time Capsule on top of a mini is more useful than putting an Airport Base Station on top. That takes care of your need for a stackable drive and WiFi router in one stroke.

Also, I don't recall people saying that a 6.5" x 6.5" computer is fine while a 7.7" x 7.7" computer is "too big".

I think 7.7x7.7" would be a great size for the mini. Make it an inch taller, too. That would not only allow enough room for a 3.5" hard drive, but cooling for a desktop-class Core 2 processor.
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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow View Post

I think 7.7x7.7" would be a great size for the mini. Make it an inch taller, too. That would not only allow enough room for a 3.5" hard drive, but cooling for a desktop-class Core 2 processor.

I might be mistaken, but I think the desktop-grade Penryn may now be cooler than the CD in the current Mini, and certainly less than the original G4 chips that were in the Mac Mini case. Regradless, I doubt they'd us a desktop-grade CPU in the Mini. I'd like to see a desktop-grade Penryn is the iMac, but I have doubts that Apple will go that route even if it was less expensive, faster and cooler than the previous setup.
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I might be mistaken, but I think the desktop-grade Penryn may now be cooler than the CD in the current Mini, and certainly less than the original G4 chips that were in the Mac Mini case. Regradless, I doubt they'd us a desktop-grade CPU in the Mini. I'd like to see a desktop-grade Penryn is the iMac, but I have doubts that Apple will go that route even if it was less expensive, faster and cooler than the previous setup.

From Day One, the mini has used what are essentially the internals from a MacBook though often a cycle out of date. If Apple were to break from that pattern, it's logical that the only thing else they would likely consider would be the internals of the iMac (still a mobile CPU).
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Originally Posted by Dunks View Post

Agreed.

I would like AppleTV to do the following (in order of descending priority):

1: be a programmable hard-disk video recorder for live TV

You will have to wait for the cable co to get tur2way or OCAP up and running and also apple will be forced to let the cable co load and run there own software on the apple tv box and I don't know if apple will like that.
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Originally Posted by Joe_the_dragon View Post

You will have to wait for the cable co to get tur2way or OCAP up and running and also apple will be forced to let the cable co load and run there own software on the apple tv box and I don't know if apple will like that.

Or every partner that sells TV shows on iTS.
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Originally Posted by Hudson1 View Post

I think there's been a strong consensus here that a 6.5" x 6.5" footprint is not large enough for a computer that uses a 3.5" HDD even if there are drive enclosures of that size. My personal view is that stacking a Time Capsule on top of a mini is more useful than putting an Airport Base Station on top. That takes care of your need for a stackable drive and WiFi router in one stroke.

Also, I don't recall people saying that a 6.5" x 6.5" computer is fine while a 7.7" x 7.7" computer is "too big".

I'd have no problem with 7.7" x 7.7" except for all the accessories that are already sized for the current mini footprint. But it wouldn't be the first time Apple has screwed it's customers and accessory makers by obsoleting all of our accessories for no good reason.

And given the lackluster performance of the Time Capsule hard drive and the inherent drawbacks of the all-in-one design (what happens to your data when the router fails?), I'd much rather have the Extreme base station and a seperate hard drive. The Time Capsule is fine as a remote disk, but if you are going to set it right next to your computer anyway, why not just get a bigger, faster, cheaper external drive? I also have a hard time thinking of a reason I'd ever need a mini and an AppleTV in the same stack.

The larger footprint would be fine if they (or I) were starting from scratch, and it wouldn't necessarily stop me from buying one. But with all due respect to the "consensus", I'd much prefer they maintain the current footprint (and I see no technical reasons why they couldn't).
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Originally Posted by Joe_the_dragon View Post

You will have to wait for the cable co to get tur2way or OCAP up and running and also apple will be forced to let the cable co load and run there own software on the apple tv box and I don't know if apple will like that.

Or they could just offer CableCard support... I dont see why there would need to be software from say Comcast on my system to record tv... I could do it now with an EyeTV, or a Tivo for that matter, just if I want Digital tv, I need a CableCard.

I would be all for adding dual tuner full digital tv support to a 7.7 x7.7 mini with an HDMI w/sound adapter in box, as they are only going to ship new machines with Mini Displayport, to make the mini into a out of the box PVR, with CableCard. Also offer a lower end version without the tuner card or the cable in ports for the business class users. If that were the Mini available today I would buy one in a heartbeat.

I also think we may see the Mini adopt a Mag Safe adapter so that Apple can produce one less component, thereby increasing margins.
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Or they could just offer CableCard support... I dont see why there would need to be software from say Comcast on my system to record tv... I could do it now with an EyeTV, or a Tivo for that matter, just if I want Digital tv, I need a CableCard.

I would be all for adding dual tuner full digital tv support to a 7.7 x7.7 mini with an HDMI w/sound adapter in box, as they are only going to ship new machines with Mini Displayport, to make the mini into a out of the box PVR, with CableCard. Also offer a lower end version without the tuner card or the cable in ports for the business class users. If that were the Mini available today I would buy one in a heartbeat.

I also think we may see the Mini adopt a Mag Safe adapter so that Apple can produce one less component, thereby increasing margins.

CableCards are a dead technology. The cable industry has seen to that. Apple won't even add memory card slots to their computers. I have a hard time seeing them add a slot for a technology that is already being made obsolete. The cable industry's direction is Tru2Way going forward, and that requires that you allow them to install their own software on your device.

As I understand it, that software would be like a plug-in to the device manufactures included software. In the future, Apple could conceivably support that capability in a version of AppleTV. There would be a menu option for the tuner, and when you select that option the cable companies software kicks in. But right now we are caught in the no-man's land between obsolete CableCards and not-ready-for-primetime Tru2Way which isn't yet fully developed.
post #67 of 144
If you need to get a new mac but don't have a lot of cash they are great. I bought one two years ago with a 20 inch monitor, I upgraded to a tower two weeks ago, a very simple transition. I have a friend who is learning disabled, I introduced him to the EMac which needs upgrading soon, he will most likely buy a new mac mini. If you're a 'switcher' - plug and play... need i say more.
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The Mini is a perfect Christmas gift because it costs about the same as a games console.

Hmm... That is something to ponder. Instead of Apple simply adding the 9400M to the next Mac Mini, or it's replacement, having an option the dedicated Nvidia GPU in the MPB would make it a decent gaming machine at a low price.

The Mac Mini could be a great games machine. Just stick a 4850 Radeon in it. They're dirt cheap. With any Penryn duo chip. It would do as well as any PS3 or 360. They could soup up the style a bit. It's not bad. Nicer in person then it looks in the photos. And chop the price a little. There's no excuse for it being so old without an update. It's typical Apple. They make hard work of it and their other line up.

Same with a cheap mid-tower. Chop off some of the bulk off the Mac Pro and pass on the savings. And there's no excuse for those out of date GPUS. Should be 4850s by now. They're great value.

Apple has this false doctrine of crippling lines underneath when other differentiating factors exist. Eg Mac Pros have Xeons. No reason not to have a desktop Conroe to differentiate a consumer tower desktop.

In fact. Apple's desktop line is out of date from top to bottom. And yet Ati and Nvidia have had great new GPUs out from June of this year. Yeesh. There's no reason why the Mini, iMac and Mac Pro should be on the 4800 series of GPUs. Radeon 2600 'Pros'. Puh-LEEASE!

And the ram. I was in PC World the other day and most laptops have a 17 inch display and discrete graphics...AND 3 gigs of ram.

Ram. And Hard Drives. What's up with that? Consumer towers in PC World have 9800 GT with a GIG of RAM on the GPU! T/B HD. 4 gigs of ram and Quad core for £795-£1000.
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Agreed.

I would like AppleTV to do the following (in order of descending priority):

1: be a programmable hard-disk video recorder for live TV
2: have an on-screen TV guide
3: allow quick switching between TV and wifi internet for during ad breaks
4: a DVD/bluray player
5: act as an airport base station
6: an access point to the iTunes store for music and movies

I'm a happy Apple TV user, though largely because of how well it displays/plays my music on my home theater. All the features everyone wants are pretty much what keep it from being an ideal option for tv or movies.

All that said, I'd consider replacing with a Mini if I could figure out how to maximize all potential features. Seems like today's state of affairs would require EyeTV in order to "supplement" my cable DVR? Otherwise, seems like you get access to iTunes content plus wireless mouse/keyboard give me a full, if undepowered, computing machine in the living room?

I'd be interested in comments from any who've done this. Pros? Cons? Advice?
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and Firewire. It wouldn't have hurt to keep it in the Macbook for another couple of years?

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what stops apple from taking a micro atx form factor for 9400m
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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post

and Firewire. It wouldn't have hurt to keep it in the Macbook for another couple of years?

It would if it meant removing the 2nd USB port to include it.
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I have long been baffled (as have many of you it sounds) by how difficult it is for Apple to get the hardware "right". I can't think of any hardware product from Apple that isn't disappointing, or, said another way, that isn't far outmatched by the competition in price, feature, or usually both. Apple sure gets the software right... but why can't they get the hardware right? My impression is that Apple has creative, innovative, skilled people and an atmosphere that fosters such traits, so the only sane explanation I can ever come to is Steve Job's stubbornness. It must be his curious ideas about what a computer must look like that accounts for such a long history of disappointing hardware.

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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

CableCards are a dead technology... The cable industry's direction is Tru2Way going forward, and that requires that you allow them to install their own software on your device.

You realize that Tru2Way uses CableCards, right? The very same ones that are in service right now. The only difference is that the device is two way instead of one way in current CC devices.
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I absolutely agree with some others here:
The Mac mini and TV should be combined into ONE device.

If this rumor is real, I could see Apple adding the same graphics card as the MacBook to the Mac mini, which would be very nice, indeed.

Forget the HDMI port, though, it's only capable of driving Full-HD resolution display: 1920 x 1080. HDMI wouldn't even support or be capable of driving the Apple's 1920 x 1200 23" Cinema Display or any other comparable 23" to 26" monitor (like my nice new MATTE screen ViewSonic 26"). Forget driving a 30" display, either. DisplayPort is where it's at today! Just get a DisplayPort to HDMI adaptor... try and find one, though...

Let's PRAY they keep the FireWire port and kick it up to FireWire 800 while they're at it!

Some of us have been howling for Apple to release a 2 PCI slot Half-MacPro for years!
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Originally Posted by zunx View Post

The perfect Mac is a quiet Mac. As powerful as possible, but mainly quiet. That is why I have a Mac mini instead of a Mac Pro. The dream Mac for me would be a quiet Mac as powerful as possible. A Mac miniTOWER!

I don't think your impression of Mac Pro is in sync with reality. It's quite quiet even when maxed out.
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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post

And the ram. I was in PC World the other day and most laptops have a 17 inch display and discrete graphics...AND 3 gigs of ram.

Ram. And Hard Drives. What's up with that? Consumer towers in PC World have 9800 GT with a GIG of RAM on the GPU! T/B HD. 4 gigs of ram and Quad core for £795-£1000.
*Shrugs. Sure the cases are cheap. But not as cheap as Apple are on those out of date specs.

Lemon Bon Bon.

Hmmm... my MacBook Pro has 4GB RAM.

PeeSea BoxStuffers have to try ANYthing to get people to buy their OS-limited junk. Tweak the specs all you want, but you're STILL STUCK with Windows. Or Ubuntu! NEVER forget Ubuntu ... ROFLMFAO!
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I absolutely agree with some others here:
The Mac mini and TV should be combined into ONE device.

That would kill the AppleTV sales. Replacing a $200 device designed as a simple, dedicated media extender with a $600 device that is requires much more effort to use as a media extender.

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I don't think your impression of Mac Pro is in sync with reality. It's quite quiet even when maxed out.

Ditto.
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That would kill the AppleTV sales. Replacing a $200 device designed as a simple, dedicated media extender with a $600 device that is requires much more effort to use as a media extender.

I don't see a Mac mini/TV hybrid as a replacement. It'd be more of a big brother; smarter, more savvy, more powerful and flexible.

The TV is quite a limited device, as far as I'm concerned.
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You realize that Tru2Way uses CableCards, right? The very same ones that are in service right now. The only difference is that the device is two way instead of one way in current CC devices.

Point taken. Tru2Way still uses cards as security keys. The last time I had looked into Tru2Way, that was not yet specified. I also believe that they intend to eventually get rid of the need for cards.

However, Tru2Way still requires a new hardware platform. You can't simply remove your existing CableCard from your TiVo HD and plug in a Tru2Way CableCard. And it still requires that the cable company be allowed to install their software on your box, correct? I stand by my original point that we are currently in a no-man's land between the death of CableCards as we currently know them (v1.0/2.0) and the deployment of Tru2Way, which is an entirely new platform whether or not it uses CableCards.

I just don't see Apple jumping into that space. It's much better left to accessory makers like Elgato. They can make a relatively cheap add-on component that can be replaced as standards evolve. Once Tru2Way is stable and widely deployed it might make sense to build it into the computer itself.
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