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post #81 of 144
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Originally Posted by jeffharris View Post

The TV is quite a limited device, as far as I'm concerned.

Of course it's limited. It's a media extender. It's designed to bring iTunes and a few other apps to your living room. It's not supposed to be a computer where you can writing emails, do your Xmas shopping, and play WoW. A hammer is limited, too. Every try using one of those to change a uncork a bottle of wine? It's designed for a specific purpose, which means it won't fit everyone's needs.
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post #82 of 144
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Originally Posted by Object-X View Post

Apple could also use the mini for a larger corporate strategy. The mini's diminutive size and price would appeal to businesses considering swapping out their old PCs. No optical drive works in this context too. Remote administration features, Exchange support, virtualization, ect. This might be a good time for them to take a more serious stab at that market since Vista is floundering and Windows 7 is still years away.

Another selling point of the mini is that is a very energy efficient computer. It uses a lot less power than a typical desktop machine.
post #83 of 144
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Originally Posted by Jimzip View Post

Your lack of faith disturbs me.

Jimzip

Faith is what got us into this recession.
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

Faith is what got us into this recession.

Are we supposed to know what that means?
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

It's sounding more and more like Apple *intended* to update the Mini (and perhaps the iMac as well), but that "something happened."

This I would tend to believe. Even by Apple's standards Mini has not be updated on the correct schedule.
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Add in the fact that they barely got the MacBook and MacBook Pro out the door recently (with some members of the group missing in action no less), and it almost looks like you could use the word "struggling" to describe their performance of late.

See I don't see it like this, when you are on the bleeding edge you get cut, it is a given. The new Mac Books represent a very significant stride forward in a number of areas, it takes time to get all your ducks in a row.

As for Mini I certainly don't know what happened there. However I can make a good guess that they are looking for similar if not more significant strides for that platform. The longer we wait the greater the chance that the new Mini will be very impressive. Of course that doesn't mean Apple won't pull a boner and give us a half baked concept machine, it just means that they have had plenty of time to get it right.
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Oh well, at least we won't have to see that "beleaguered" word ever again.

YOu must be young as you don't seem to understand the current economic conditions. Apple is in a good position but they are not invulnerable. I would expect to see many major corporations disappear in the near future. Worst yet if the government continues to bail out failed corporations like GM and such all of us could be in a world of hurt. Corporations are like Animals with cancer, sooner or later they come down with the disease and the owners are no longer successful in cutting the growths away. At this point the corporation must die or end up becoming a hole in the ground that money is burnt in.

So if you want to have the ability to keep Apple afloat and buy its hardware in the future you better start speaking up now when talk about bailing out XYZ company comes up. Other wise you will be spending years pay for some lazy ass United Auto Workers paycheck. If you don't think this is possible you damn well better wake up, because frankly I want an environment where I know Apple can succeed. In part that means that each of us has the money to buy the Apple goody of his choice.



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post #86 of 144
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

Faith is what got us into this recession.

Faith is a virtue and virtue had nothing to do with getting us where we are.
post #87 of 144
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Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post

Oh boy, the xMac rumours are going to come hard and fast between now and MacWorld SF Jan 2009. Bring on the mockups! And so on... Oh, the insanity...

I'm fairly sure that most xMac fans know that Apple will never make one.

What I'd like to know is how big the potential market really is. If there are only a few of us and most already buy Macs then Steve Jobs is right to ignore us. If, however, there are tens of thousands and most of them aren't contributing a penny to Apple, then it's foolish of them to ignore us.

I think it would be very interesting if someone took a poll of all the people who say they want an xMac. Ask them what computer they currently use, whether they bought it new or used and why they don't buy a model that Apple currently makes.

I'll start:
I currently have a 2.7GHz G5 tower and my kids have a Quicksilver G4 tower that already had CPU and video upgrades when I bought it.
I purchased both of them used, but would prefer not to take my chances with used gear.
They are both connected to relatively expensive LCD displays I purchased brand new.

I won't buy a mini because they're gutless and overpriced given how incredibly outdated they are.
I won't buy a notebook of any kind because I don't need the mobility. An iPhone provides everything I could possibly want when I'm away from my desktop computers.
I won't buy an iMac because it's a terrible waste to have to replace the display every time you upgrade. My daughter is using my old LCD. It's already been used with 5 different computers and is still going strong.
Speaking of the display, I don't want Steve Jobs telling me which one to use.
I won't buy an iMac because putting a decent size hard drive inside requires major surgery.
I won't buy a Mac Pro because I quite simply don't have that kind of money for a home computer.
post #88 of 144
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

Faith is what got us into this recession.

Hope and hard work is what will get us out.
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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

I'm fairly sure that most xMac fans know that Apple will never make one.

What I'd like to know is how big the potential market really is. If there are only a few of us and most already buy Macs then Steve Jobs is right to ignore us. If, however, there are tens of thousands and most of them aren't contributing a penny to Apple, then it's foolish of them to ignore us.

I think it would be very interesting if someone took a poll of all the people who say they want an xMac. Ask them what computer they currently use, whether they bought it new or used and why they don't buy a model that Apple currently makes.

I'm not a potential buyer of an xMac, but I might be down the road. In addition to your poll of who is a potential xMac customer, I'm curious what they think an xMac would be? I've seen people say they basically want all the slots, bays, and flexibility of the MacPro, in case half the size for half the price. Obviously, that won't happen. We have to be reasonable.

Basically, what combination of speed, expandabiltiy, and upgradabilty are we looking for in an xMac? Video card upgradability and/or dual monitor support is the first obvious need, so one PCI slot is probably a must. Or if the included video card is in a slot and can be replaced, will that work? What else do you need a PCI slot for? The built-in HD must be 3.5" and easily upgradable (unlike the mini). Do we need a free HD bay, or is external storage sufficient (maybe add an eSATA port)? What class of processor are we expecting?

My thoughts:
- A fast Core2Duo processor (maybe an option for 2 C2D CPUs, but unlikely)
- The new NVIDIA chipset with it's integrated graphics, I know that sounds kinda wimpy but
- 1 PCI slot so you can add whatever other graphics card you want and upgrade it later
- 3.5" HD with space for a 2nd drive
- SuperDrive (Blu-ray option?)
- 4 RAM slots
- USB, Firewire 800 (3200?), eSATA (?), wireless N (the mini is still stuck on G), Gigibit Ethernet, analog/digital audio in/out

A few years ago with Apple's tiny marketshare, it made sense to limit the number of models they made to streamline inventory and reduce R&D and production costs. But I would think that Apple's marketshare now is big enough to support expanding the lineup.

For me personally today, give me a mini with a 3.5" drive, the MB's motherboard (plus Firewire), and 802.11n, and I'd buy one. My main computer is a MBP, and even if Apple offered an xMac that wouldn't change (today).
post #90 of 144
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Originally Posted by hombrephaty View Post

"You've had the Macintosh for 24 years, and the best you could do is 8% marketshare?"

Market share isn't the only measure of a company. Have you seen Apple's 10K reports yet?
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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

Basically, what combination of speed, expandabiltiy, and upgradabilty are we looking for in an xMac?

My thoughts:
- A fast Core2Duo processor (maybe an option for 2 C2D CPUs, but unlikely)
- The new NVIDIA chipset with it's integrated graphics, I know that sounds kinda wimpy but
- 1 PCI slot so you can add whatever other graphics card you want and upgrade it later
- 3.5" HD with space for a 2nd drive
- SuperDrive (Blu-ray option?)
- 4 RAM slots
- USB, Firewire 800 (3200?), eSATA (?), wireless N (the mini is still stuck on G), Gigibit Ethernet, analog/digital audio in/out

- Small case, the size of a game console or blade server
- I'd make that a Core2Quad processor.
- I'd put the video in a PCIe slot to ramp up the production volume of Mac compatible cards.
- 1 empty PCIe slot - each user will have her own needs: eSATA, legacy ports, something new
- Two 3.5" bays for HDs - either for segregated storage or internal Time Machine.
- One SuperDrive
- two DDR3 slots is enough if you allow the machines to use 8GB (unlike the MBP)
- Ports as above.
- I'd like to see eSATA, but it's not that important if there are two internal bays and an empty PCIe slot.
post #92 of 144
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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

I'm not a potential buyer of an xMac, but I might be down the road. In addition to your poll of who is a potential xMac customer, I'm curious what they think an xMac would be? I've seen people say they basically want all the slots, bays, and flexibility of the MacPro, in case half the size for half the price. Obviously, that won't happen. We have to be reasonable.

To me, it's what it used to be a $1299-1699 single CPU PowerMac/MacPro. The Xeon MacPro adds dual 2.5ghz in place of the single 2.8ghz and replaces the consumer level card with a standard FireGL or Quadro. A new single CPU MacPro with core CPUs and a high end X-series motherboard and consumer grade graphics is slotted into the place of the old PowerMac. Both levels would have the same BTO options for video cards.
post #93 of 144
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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

- Small case, the size of a game console or blade server
- I'd make that a Core2Quad processor.
- I'd put the video in a PCIe slot to ramp up the production volume of Mac compatible cards.
- 1 empty PCIe slot - each user will have her own needs: eSATA, legacy ports, something new
- Two 3.5" bays for HDs - either for segregated storage or internal Time Machine.
- One SuperDrive
- two DDR3 slots is enough if you allow the machines to use 8GB (unlike the MBP)
- Ports as above.
- I'd like to see eSATA, but it's not that important if there are two internal bays and an empty PCIe slot.

replace Core2Quad with core i7

make it 4 or 6 ram slots core i7 has 3 ram channels The dual cpu system can have 6 slots or more per cpu.
post #94 of 144
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Originally Posted by Marvin View Post

The Mini is a perfect Christmas gift because it costs about the same as a games console.

My God what games consoles have you been buying? If it did cost the same as a games console I'd have bought one by now.
post #95 of 144
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It would if it meant removing the 2nd USB port to include it.

I don't agree. What's the issue of having to add a USB hub? I would've preferred one of each. Anyway off-topic
post #96 of 144
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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

I'm fairly sure that most xMac fans know that Apple will never make one. What I'd like to know is how big the potential market really is. If there are only a few of us and most already buy Macs then Steve Jobs is right to ignore us. If, however, there are tens of thousands and most of them aren't contributing a penny to Apple, then it's foolish of them to ignore us. I think it would be very interesting if someone took a poll of all the people who say they want an xMac. Ask them what computer they currently use, whether they bought it new or used and why they don't buy a model that Apple currently makes.

I'm sure Apple has asked many a focus group these same questions. Unfortunately, I think Apple makes more money exactly by differentiating their product line in the precise way that makes choosing between an under-powered MacMini, a like-it-or-not, "all-in-one" iMac, or an uber-expensive MacPro, so damned frustrating. I finally had to just give in, so I recently bought a soon-to-be-refreshed, 3.06GHz 24" iMac, and paid a price a little more than I could've paid for just about the fastest PC on earth. I really wanted a MacPro tower, but couldn't really justify the expense (I'll wait until Nehalem anyway, now that I know what THAT is). But I don't see Apple ever marketing a low-line "business machine," regardless of its potential market size. I mean, seriously, would anyone ever realistically expect to see an "xMac" mini-tower selling at your local Best Buy or Office Depot for $500 to $700? I mean like, sitting right next to the HP Slimline selling for $499 (but, of course, the HP comes with 4GB of RAM and a bigger HD).

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Another selling point of the mini is that is a very energy efficient computer. It uses a lot less power than a typical desktop machine.

Yup. That's another reason I'm considering minis for "utility-use" computers. My minis will basically be powered on, 24/7 (minis consume 110 Watts at 120V).

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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Market share isn't the only measure of a company. Have you seen Apple's 10K reports yet?

Right. With Apple, it isn't about share of market (well, except for "digital media players" and digital music services) . . . it's about MARGIN!
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Originally Posted by jowie74 View Post

I don't agree. What's the issue of having to add a USB hub? I would've preferred one of each. Anyway off-topic

I use 2 USB pretty constantly. One for my TM HDD and one for my iPhone, while occasionally syncing/charging my iPod Shuffle. I don't want to carry a hub and share the bus. I don't expect everyone to like that FW lost to USB, but you deny that USB is the ubiquitous standard.

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Right. With Apple, it isn't about share of market (well, except for "digital media players" and digital music services) . . . it's about MARGIN!

I'm sure the success of the iPod/iTunes surprised even Jobs.
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post #98 of 144
What planet do some of you live on?

You won't see a f'n Nehalem processor in a Mac mini until Nehalem is phasing out of Mac Pros.

Apple: Either put out something respectable and not an oversized book or drop it already.
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Originally Posted by jowie74 View Post

My God what games consoles have you been buying? If it did cost the same as a games console I'd have bought one by now.

http://www.game.co.uk/PS3/Hardware/H...-Console-60GB/

£349 - add a couple of games at £25 each and you get £399

http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/hom...ni?mco=MTE3MTA

Base Mini = £399.

I know a lot of people will opt for the XBox at half the price and I would too but some people will be looking at the PS3 because it's what their kids want. An Nvidia-based Mini could be seen as a learning and gaming machine so IMO is more worth the money than the PS3. The PS3 does double as a Blu-Ray player but the Mini could have been an alternative.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

That would kill the AppleTV sales. Replacing a $200 device designed as a simple, dedicated media extender with a $600 device that is requires much more effort to use as a media extender.

AppleTV is not $200, not in the US, and especially not in any other country
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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post

AppleTV is not $200, not in the US, and especially not in any other country

It's $229 so I wouldn't say that was far off.
post #102 of 144
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

...YOu must be young as you don't seem to understand the current economic conditions. Apple is in a good position but they are not invulnerable. I would expect to see many major corporations disappear in the near future. Worst yet if the government continues to bail out failed corporations like GM and such all of us could be in a world of hurt. Corporations are like Animals with cancer, sooner or later they come down with the disease and the owners are no longer successful in cutting the growths away. At this point the corporation must die or end up becoming a hole in the ground that money is burnt in.

So if you want to have the ability to keep Apple afloat and buy its hardware in the future you better start speaking up now when talk about bailing out XYZ company comes up. Other wise you will be spending years pay for some lazy ass United Auto Workers paycheck. If you don't think this is possible you damn well better wake up, because frankly I want an environment where I know Apple can succeed. In part that means that each of us has the money to buy the Apple goody of his choice....

To me the risk is as though Apple is a slick smooth Catamaran cutting through the stormy, shark-infested waters, while various boats are leaking all around them.

There are some forces of nature we must all face some day.

The saddest part to me, is that sure, Apple is great and all that, but, you know what? They had common sense. Imagine that. COMMON BLOODY SENSE. Hmm... like, do dilligent R&D. Make good products. Don't waste money on rubbish overblown advertising campaigns. Listen to customers. Respond to the market. Thinking long term. Leveraging business finances etc. sensibly... *SIGH*

Unlike most of the 'tards that got the whole world into this mess.
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

I agree and it wouldn't take much- just discontinue AppleTV, add it's software to the mini, add an HDMI port and boom - it's a combo of both. I would keep the optical drive though -with an option for blu-ray.

ridiculous, apple tv costs need to be kept down. and it is pretty cool.

as for the mini, i am happy they will do a new model, but i really dont understand why they would get rid of the optical drive. such speculation is stupid, most if not all my programs come on disc. same with alot of people. also, this drive doesnt take much room, its as though apple just wants to cut 15-20 in costs from it, to do it. i understand on macbook air, but to make people buy an external drive, it is just raising costs in a clandestine way.
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AppleTV is not $200, not in the US, and especially not in any other country

$229

Unlike other Mac products, a refurbished AppleTV is no different than non-refurbished one.
$199

But if you want to be pedantic, neither one of them is exactly $200. \
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i really dont understand why they would get rid of the optical drive. such speculation is stupid, most if not all my programs come on disc. same with alot of people. also, this drive doesnt take much room, its as though apple just wants to cut 15-20 in costs from it, to do it. i understand on macbook air, but to make people buy an external drive, it is just raising costs in a clandestine way.

It's not just $15-20. If you buy an extra superdrive for a Mac Pro, they charge $100 and that is a tray-loading drive, which is typically cheaper than a slot-loading drive. I'd say you are talking about $150 for a slot-loading Apple superdrive. On a spare parts site, the drive is £95 excl tax, inclusive it is £111 = $174. It doesn't cost this to Apple but that's what it will cost you to buy a machine with that drive in it.

Imagine the case of the Mini server farm. They have over 500 Minis. 500 x $150 = $75,000 that didn't need to be spent as none of those drives are used.

At the very worst, there should be an option to not have an optical drive at all even if they don't get rid of it from the model and reduce the price accordingly. As well as being able to put another drive in for more room and RAID.

All the programs coming on disc issue isn't really a major problem because you can get an external, which is cheaper and faster. Also, you tend to install software once, so the drive doesn't need to be stuck inside the machine.

We are transitioning to Blu-Ray eventually. Would you rather have a DVD burner stuck inside your machine that you likely won't ever be able to upgrade or an external component that you can sell on ebay easily and get another external drive? The ability to change it easily applies to broken drives as well as upgrades.

I personally have an external and I've used the internal drive on my computer less than 5 times in about 2 years. My external, I've used over 100 times and I know that should my external drive break, I can get a replacement for about £20 as my drive enclosure takes IDE drives.
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Originally Posted by Marvin View Post

It's not just $15-20. If you buy an extra superdrive for a Mac Pro, they charge $100 and that is a tray-loading drive, which is typically cheaper than a slot-loading drive. I'd say you are talking about $150 for a slot-loading Apple superdrive. On a spare parts site, the drive is £95 excl tax, inclusive it is £111 = $174. It doesn't cost this to Apple but that's what it will cost you to buy a machine with that drive in it.

Slot loaders and tray loaders cost the same, the slots Apple sells are 12.7mm slim notebook drives in the Mini and 9.5mm superslims in the notebooks. The smaller a drive, the slower and more expensive it is. The reason you don't see slots very often in desktop drives is because they're incompatible of certain types of discs. One other point, I would never buy the extra drive. They're very easy to upgrade and the 16x IDE drives Apple uses are several years old.
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To me the risk is as though Apple is a slick smooth Catamaran cutting through the stormy, shark-infested waters, while various boats are leaking all around them.

Nice! I'm a single hull guy myself though. The big concern is how many of those boats will actually sink. This is what could dramatically shrink Apples new product lines.

On the otherhand Apple has the ideal products, in iPhone and Touch for a very poor America. These are ideal devices for keeping in touch, extremely portable and energy efficient.

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There are some forces of nature we must all face some day.

The saddest part to me, is that sure, Apple is great and all that, but, you know what? They had common sense. Imagine that. COMMON BLOODY SENSE. Hmm... like, do dilligent R&D. Make good products. Don't waste money on rubbish overblown advertising campaigns. Listen to customers. Respond to the market. Thinking long term. Leveraging business finances etc. sensibly... *SIGH*

Unlike most of the 'tards that got the whole world into this mess.

If they manage it right there is a very good possibility that Apple could come out of this with flying colors. It depends in part upon the government not screwing up to bad(not likely) and Apple getting those new products online. More importantly getting those new products priced right. I see low cost handheld devices as being a key component of Apples success in the next couple of years. They would provide the communications that people will need in a durable package for mobility.
post #108 of 144
First guys realize that what Apple charges for a repair part or an upgrade has nothing to do with the actual cost of the drive! So don't use that as an arguement as it doesn't hold water.

Second I don't want to see the Mini loose it's optical drive but I would love the OPTION of not having one included. The reality is that in some applications the drive does nothing for you but produce heat which is also waste. So I'm all for a Optical drive free Mini as long as it is optional.

Third dropping the optical drive completely does give Apple some significant engineering advantages. For the Mini that CD drive takes up a lot of space! Another issue is power budgetting which means Apple needs to size components in the power supply to handle the optical drive load plus everything else all the time even if seldom used. This isn't very green and frankly the low power nature of the Mini is one of it's big selling points. If Apple could advertise the Mini as using the power of a seventy five watt bulb that would draw peoples attention. Get that down to fifty watts running full out and people will really perk up, dropping the optical drive just might do that for them. Finally the lack of an optical drive could make for the possibility of an expansion slot, this of course blows power budgetting but a slot not used wastes nothing.

As to expansion slots I think this could be a real possibility even in the current Mini form factor. I'd especially love to see Apple move the market to flash storage on mini PCI EXPRESS cards. Mostly for better performance and to get rid of legacy disk chassis.

In anyevent back to CD drives. It is fine as long as one has good internal options besides no disk at all. Like I mentioned for many applications it is nothing but waste.

Dave
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

First guys realize that what Apple charges for a repair part or an upgrade has nothing to do with the actual cost of the drive! So don't use that as an arguement as it doesn't hold water.

Second I don't want to see the Mini loose it's optical drive but I would love the OPTION of not having one included. The reality is that in some applications the drive does nothing for you but produce heat which is also waste. So I'm all for a Optical drive free Mini as long as it is optional.

Third dropping the optical drive completely does give Apple some significant engineering advantages. For the Mini that CD drive takes up a lot of space! Another issue is power budgetting which means Apple needs to size components in the power supply to handle the optical drive load plus everything else all the time even if seldom used. This isn't very green and frankly the low power nature of the Mini is one of it's big selling points. If Apple could advertise the Mini as using the power of a seventy five watt bulb that would draw peoples attention. Get that down to fifty watts running full out and people will really perk up, dropping the optical drive just might do that for them. Finally the lack of an optical drive could make for the possibility of an expansion slot, this of course blows power budgetting but a slot not used wastes nothing.

As to expansion slots I think this could be a real possibility even in the current Mini form factor. I'd especially love to see Apple move the market to flash storage on mini PCI EXPRESS cards. Mostly for better performance and to get rid of legacy disk chassis.

In anyevent back to CD drives. It is fine as long as one has good internal options besides no disk at all. Like I mentioned for many applications it is nothing but waste.

Dave

why non sata based cards so the pci-e slots are free for non disk cards.
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

First guys realize that what Apple charges for a repair part or an upgrade has nothing to do with the actual cost of the drive! So don't use that as an arguement as it doesn't hold water.

The Apple upgrade may include the service fee but the 3rd party parts site price does not. That is the price for the unit alone. I found another parts site with a cheaper drive and you can get one including VAT for £70 ($110). Apple are most definitely charging a premium for their drives. Look at the Minis:

1.83GHz
80GB HD
combo
$599

2.0GHz
120GB HD
superdrive
$799

We know the 120GB drive costs $50 because it's an upgrade for the 1.83GHz model. The CPUs we discovered ages ago cost the same. Even in the most current Intel price list, the 1.8GHz and 2GHz Core 2 Duo are $209. There is a 2GHz model at $241 though so at most, that comes to $32 for the CPU bump.

The only other difference is the optical drive.

$200 - $50 - $32 = $118.

These are preconfigured models with no upgrades so I still reckon that Apple are charging over $100 for their slot-loading superdrive.

You can see this with the new laptops too. They all got bumped up to using superdrives and the prices went up. Since the laptop drives are more expensive, I wouldn't be surprised that most of the price hike came from them alone.
post #111 of 144
forget about the drives.... macmini air, anyone?

I wish apple comes up with macmini with no optical drives, but faster cpu and a decent/designated gpu, instead.
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Originally Posted by bitemymac View Post

forget about the drives.... macmini air, anyone?

I wish apple comes up with macmini with no optical drives, but faster cpu and a decent/designated gpu, instead.

But there isn't much compelling reason to do without an optical drive in a desktop. The few extra cubic inches and a few extra ounces that might be a concern for a person with a notebook on the go aren't a problem for a desktop machine intended to just sit there on a table. Notebook optical drives aren't even expensive when you're considering Apple's volumes.

I've even tried to go without optical drives in a desktop after one expired from age, getting it to use a remote optical drive gets tedious.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

$229

Unlike other Mac products, a refurbished AppleTV is no different than non-refurbished one.
$199

But if you want to be pedantic, neither one of them is exactly $200. \

No I am not being pedantic, but it isn't 200 new, and as Americans like to remind everyone, that doesn't include sales taxes. Plus in most other countries it is a lot more than US$200
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Originally Posted by Marvin View Post

Base Mini = £399.

Okay good point... However I'd be looking at the all-new Mini (when it comes out) with at least a 250GB HDD and 2GB RAM... So I guess that'd be nearer £600 at Apple Store prices

That's a good reason I'm hoping they'll make the new Mini with user-replaceable RAM and HDD. That way I can buy the base version and upgrade it cheaply...

I'd get a PS3 if it ran iTunes and didn't look like a sandwich toaster
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But there isn't much compelling reason to do without an optical drive in a desktop. The few extra cubic inches and a few extra ounces that might be a concern for a person with a notebook on the go aren't a problem for a desktop machine intended to just sit there on a table. Notebook optical drives aren't even expensive when you're considering Apple's volumes.

I've even tried to go without optical drives in a desktop after one expired from age, getting it to use a remote optical drive gets tedious.

BYOD?

There are number of external options.

Well... if anyone wants a fully function computing, there are desktops and even most labtops these days are fast enough to replace functions of desktops.

Macmini, however, is a perfect platform to use as a workstation. I do want one of these by every room paired with a tv. Of course, I would bring my own wireless keyboard and mouse.
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forget about the drives.... macmini air, anyone?

I wish apple comes up with macmini with no optical drives, but faster cpu and a decent/designated gpu, instead.

That would be cool. But no optical drive would infuriate a lot of people to no end.
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That would be cool. But no optical drive would infuriate a lot of people to no end.

I think we need to get rid of the 'no optical drive' fear. It would have one as an option, it would simply be external or optionally internal, just not mandatory. Like I say, as Blu-Ray comes in, do you want to be stuck with a machine with just DVD capability? You could say that you'd just have 2 drives, internal DVD, external Blu-Ray but it's still more money.

Look at the pricing above, assuming that there is $100 premium, would you still go for the internal drive?

If you have a Mini and a Macbook Air, you only need to buy one drive to share with both of them. You'd most likely leave it attached to the desktop and this way you wouldn't feel quite so bad about buying one if you didn't use it with the MBA as much as expected.

One issue I can see is they probably won't increase the number of USB ports so you'd lose one for the drive. If you had a Cinema display, you could plug the optical drive into it though. This would help sell the Cinema display designed for the Macbook.

I am so tired of watching optical discs only to reach the middle of the film to see a disc error. We need to start moving away from mechanical drives. Look at the size of a 4GB MicroSD vs a DVD. There is the small matter of a 25x price gap but everything is moving to this - cameras, camcorders, hard drives in one form or another. Even if they had a slower write-once solid state media that cost a lot less that didn't have the flaw of optical drives, which is that there is no physical contact between the information receiver and the information.

Think of the install times for software - OS X installation goes from 45 minutes to 15 minutes. Think of the storage size. Noise while playing a console, game load times. Cost is the only problem. DVDs were more expensive at one point too. The drives were much more expensive than the media but the media was still 5 times more expensive than now just 5-6 years ago and only 1x performance.

The price only started to drop the more people adopted it. This is the case we are seeing with SSD right now. It will take so much longer to adopt if people don't see a reason to change.

Blu-Ray is a bag of hurt. Solid state is a bag of kittens. Just the expensive bald Sphynx kittens.
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One of the key markets for the mini is those whose computer experience is "non-pro" for lack of a better term. Asking that market segment to learn how to load software (which still comes on disks, BTW) without an optical drive is something I don't see Apple going forward with.
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One of the key markets for the mini is those whose computer experience is "non-pro" for lack of a better term. Asking that market segment to learn how to load software (which still comes on disks, BTW) without an optical drive is something I don't see Apple going forward with.

I agree, losing the optical drive would look weird to consumers, but this is Apple, who put out the original Mac where people thought the lack of a 5.25" floppy drive was weird, and the iMac where they just had a CD drive and no floppy drive. Apple is trying to sell itself as a complete solution for consumers software-wise, and that iLife and iWork could be all people need. A lot of software can be downloaded now, and I'm sure Apple would prefer consumers buy music from iTunes and not from ripping CDs, and then play the music on an iPod instead of burning CDs. In other words, no optical drive would give Apple a more closed consumer circle.

On top of that, consumers with an iPhone and iPod Touch have been buying and downloading programs online at huge rates. Maybe the app store becomes more robust with actual desktop apps being offered for consumer-line computers (Mini, Air, Macbook).

In regards to a drive, it could just be an option like with the Air. If anything, the Mini and the external drive for the air could end up sharing the same footprint so they could be stackable and look like they thought out the whole product.
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Obviously, that won't happen. We have to be reasonable.

Heh.

Stick a Radeon 4850 in the Mac Mini. And you've got a machine any Mac buyer would be proud of. You can get a PS3 for less. And it includes Blue Ray for people who want it.

*Shrugs. It's not complicated.

Apple have got their 'cripple politics' running through their 'up the ladder' computer line.

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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