Originally Posted by vinea
Yes, of course it's bigger. 13" vs 15". Hello? I can say the same thing about my 17" MBP vs the 15".
Ugh. What you said:the difference between 13" and 15" isn't that large.
What I said:the difference is HUGE
The debate isn't over whether 15" > 13"... we obviously are both aware of that. The debate is over how significant the difference is.
Btw, didn't "Hello?" die out in the '90s?
Same. 17" vs 15"...just 2".
Don't know how we went from 13" vs 15" to 15" vs 17", but the whole "it's just 2 inches" thing doesn't hold up so well upon closer inspection. Because a 2" screen isn't just 13-15% bigger (i.e. a straight 13 vs 15 or 15 vs 17 comparison)... it's the diagonal measurement squared
bigger. You really notice it. Even I was shocked at how much a diff it's made.
All three laptops feel cramped if you are used to a 24"+ monitor. Even at 1680x1050 for the 17" although it's not as bad.
Something like 60% of Mac purchases are notebooks. Do they all buy 24"+ external monitors? I doubt it. Pros and the rich do, many others don't.
My bad. But frankly, the old MBP doesn't last a 4 hour plane trip without using power saver mode anyway. A 2nd battery or a power plug for a long trip is needed.
Seems like excuses to me. Apple shouldn't be going backwards on battery life simply for the sake of a small aesthetic difference.
Given the design of the laptop that 0.05" increase only matters where the battery is. Which means the difference is probably not 10 w/hr difference.
Thing is, the battery isn't particularly thick either. Perhaps a half-inch. So even a small increase in thickness should result in significant volume/capacity gains. Remember the previous gen MB Pro? 1.0" thick, yet it had a full-size, 20%-better-than-current-capacity battery.
Again, given the design might only be a few minutes. Plus the laptop is already heavier.
See above. Seems like Apple already proved you wrong back in early '08.
Only in your opinion. Same with car analogies.
A barely noticeable aesthetic diff vs significantly better functionality? LOL, I think if you took a poll, it wouldn't even be that close.
I mean, ok, some ppl just want something to look at, not use. But I don't think that's the majority of us Mac users. We're do-ers, not poseurs.
We don't need to get any story straight given these are personal opinions.
Talk to Solip. His latest post seems to be pretty emphatic on the point that you're wrong, and he feels he has proof.
Except that the new MB now has competent graphics (as good as my X1600) and can drive a 30" ACD (when the adapter ships). CPU wise it is equivalent to the MBP. So it's not the difference between a MR2 and Ferrari but the difference between a Boxster-S and a 911.
Except that graphically, the MB Pro still
whomps it, plus it has Firewire, a bigger screen, a higher-quality screen, expansion, better speakers, etc. So maybe we're talking 'MR2 with a custom exhaust' vs a Ferrari.
Have you tried it in edge mode? Lasts around 8 hours. Yes, 3G phones don't last as long as 2G phones from any maker.
So, ppl are supposed to buy a 3G iPhone, and then use it mostly/only in 2.5G mode? Kinda defeats the whole point of the product, but, uhhhh... ok, sure.
They were narrower. The iPhone is still wider than a Pearl. Increasing thickness would have made it an even bigger phone on TODAY'S market.
Sigh. You're too limited in your experience here, it seems. The iPhone is wider than the Pearl, sure. But compare it to something like the Blackberry Curve, which is VERY popular. The Curve is just as wide as the iPhone, and... *gasp*... 0.6" thick, about 20% thicker than the iPhone. Yet the thing still sells like hotcakes, and with little or no whining about what a 'beast' it is to hold.
In any case, when I say that I mean using the phone 1 handed. I can reach most of the screen with my thumb comfortably. For example, to unlock my phone I need to enter my password.
Any wider or thicker would mean I can reach less and for folks with smaller hands the bigger it gets the more annoying it likely is.
See above... much ado about nothing. I don't have big hands, and I can't see how the iPhone being a fraction thicker would hurt my grip.
Look at it this way... if you were to wrap a tape measure around the belt of the current iPhone, it'd be 5.8" around. Increase the thickness of the iPhone to 0.6" (same as the Pearl and many competing smartphones), and the 'belt' would then be 6.0"... a 3% increase. Doesn't really affect my ability to wrap my hand around the phone to any significant extent.
What you're complaining about is the iPhone's width
more than anything else. Not much can be done there, unless Apple decides to ship a smaller screen, and I doubt they would.
Except that Apple didn't change dimensions at all but added 3G which has always been known to be a battery killer. If you don't want 3G...turn it off.
Ppl didn't buy a 3G phone to turn 3G off, lol. But you can have your cake and eat it too if you design around the increased power draw. Apple didn't, really.
Or you can understand where adding thickness matters and when it doesn't. A couple mm isn't going to add hours of performance so there's always a cut off somewhere.
Pretty sure you're off here. Do you realize how small
cellphone batteries are? The one in my midrange flip is only about a quarter of an inch thick. The one in the iPhone isn't much thicker, because the iPhone itself is under a half-inch thick. So yes, even a few more millimeters
would make a significant diff in capacity.
iPhone 4.5" x 2.4" x 0.48" (115.5mm x 62.1mm x 12.3mm)
W590 3.9" x 1.9 x 0.6" (99 x47 x14 mm)
iPhone is bigger volume wise. How is this confusing?
What about the W810?
iPhone 4.5" x 2.4" x 0.48" - Total volume: 5.18 cubic inches
W810 3.94" x 1.81" x 0.77" - Total volume: 5.49 cubic inches
So actually, in this instance, the Walkman phone is bigger.
It's 'confusing' in that there are several
Walkman models, and that even volume-wise, some are smaller than the iPhone, and some are larger. But all
of them, that I've seen, are thicker.
Making it 14 mm would make it even larger and heavier if you fill it with more battery.
14mm isn't thick, heck the Blackberry Storm is that thick, and ppl are lined up around the block to buy it. The BB Curve is *thicker* than that, has sold very well, and no one complains about it being a chunk.
Methinks you've just bought into Steve's RDF a little too strongly. Let's use a 'woman' analogy here (since I'm obviously sick of cars)... would you rather date Calista Flockhart, or Katherine Heigl?
Sometimes, a lil' bit thicker is just better.