AppleInsider › Forums › Mobile › iPhone › Apple releases iPhone Software v2.2
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Apple releases iPhone Software v2.2 - Page 2

post #41 of 234
11/21/08 at 8:40am
Quote:
Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I agree that it is lame, but note that AppleTV is on the same GAAP accounting model that the iPhone uses.

Didn't Apple think they would have a bunch of annoyed customers when they chose this accounting model? I guess they we just setting the expectations because I am just happy they fixed the WPA problems on the iPod and not charge me.
Reply
Reply
post #42 of 234
11/21/08 at 8:41am
Does anyone else find that they don't have

(SHOUTING)

COPY AND PASTE!! AHHHHH
Reply
Reply
post #43 of 234
11/21/08 at 8:42am
Quote:
Originally Posted by hotmarkb View Post

Does anyone else find that they don't have

(SHOUTING)

COPY AND PASTE!! AHHHHH

Yeah but they did say some time ago that wasnt high on their list of priorities.
Reply
Reply
post #44 of 234
11/21/08 at 8:43am
Here is an undocumented 'feature' of iPhone 2.2: It drops the addresses of all your saved locations in Maps. All of my saved locations are still there, but the street addresses have been dropped, so they are nothing more than city, state, zip.

I rely on my saved locations for daily work travel to clients, and now I have to revert to get on with my day.

Hey Apple! Major screw-up here!

-Chris
Reply
Reply
post #45 of 234
11/21/08 at 8:44am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retrogusto View Post

Can anybody explain why Apple can offer free OS updates for their desktops and laptops without having to use GAAP accounting, but not the iPhone or iPod Touch? I don't see any difference whatsoever.

There was actually at least one OS update that Apple charged for. That was the software that enabled the 802.11n option on the wi-fi cards. The computers shipped with b/g but not n because it wasn't ready yet. Their reasoning for why they had to charge for it was because they were adding a feature you didn't have when you bought the computer. Most of the OS updates are only performance, security, and bug fix updates. They don't really add new features, like adding transit schedules to the Maps application on the iPhone (I suspect it was that and not the StreetView feature that was considered a "new" capability that kept the Maps update off the touch).

That said, it is all a bit silly at this point. Apple is probably being overly cautious. Note that all of this GAAP accounting "strictness" came about when Apple was being investigated for the stock options problems. Perhaps they are being over-protective now? Just put the touch on the same accounting method as the iPhone and AppleTV and be done with it already.
Reply
Reply
post #46 of 234
11/21/08 at 8:45am
Quote:
Originally Posted by martinmoorejr View Post

I noticed that at the bottom where it says "Load 25 More" Apple changed it so you could only view the top 100 apps. Now you can keep hitting the button and view all of the apps in that category.

This is true but only for top paid and top free. When u choose to order by 'release date' it will let you go through all apps in that category.
Reply
Reply
post #47 of 234
11/21/08 at 8:45am
Quote:
Originally Posted by S8ER01Z View Post

Seriously what is wrong with Apple? This update list is trash save for the Safari and E-mail 'FIXES'. Google street view? Who cares????

...

So how long do we wait for the 2.3 Update so we can find out nothing we want has been added?

I couldn't agree more. It's all fine and dandy to keep on adding flashy features, but for crying out loud can Apple just go ahead and get the basics right too? I would gladly pass aon just about ALL of today's update if Apple would just do this:

1) Cut and paste. It's available on Blackberry Storm and has been around since at least the days of Windows 3.1. So, spare me the maps and let me start cutting and pasting on my iPhone.

2) Email messages AND keyboard that can be flipped to landscape mode while in the Mail program. Why can virtually every app except Mail flip to landscape? WTF?

3) Video recording. It's ridiculous that 5yr old Nokias can record video, yet the most advanced smartphone in the world can't without being jail-broken. With supporting applications like iMovie, video on the iPhone should be a no brainer.

There are others, but these three seem like the priorities to me.

Cheers.
-----------------
Aluminum MacBook; Black MacBook; Mac mini; 2 x iPhone 3G; Time Capsule, iPod Touch and a few other iPods kicking around.
Reply
-----------------
Aluminum MacBook; Black MacBook; Mac mini; 2 x iPhone 3G; Time Capsule, iPod Touch and a few other iPods kicking around.
Reply
post #48 of 234
11/21/08 at 8:49am
For the Nth time IPHONE IS NOT CAPABLE OF NORMAL VIDEO CAPTURE. IT'S HARDWARE DOES NOT SUPPORT IT. IF IT DID APPLE WOULD HAVE DONE IT ALREADY. DREAMCATCHER IS NOT PROPER VIDEO CAPURE ITS LOTS OF PICS TAKEN QUICKLY PUT TOGETHER.
Reply
Reply
post #49 of 234
11/21/08 at 8:56am
Quote:
Originally Posted by bavlondon2 View Post

What Dreamcatcher? Thats not really video mate its lots of pics stitched together like basic animation. Thats why the frame rate is slow and choppy.

I've got news for ya, that is how video cameras work. The frame rate is bad, but that is a limitation of the camera. Cycorder, which is available for Jailbroken iPhones is a good option, and is great when used in high light or outdoors.
Reply
Reply
post #50 of 234
11/21/08 at 9:01am
Quote:
Originally Posted by bavlondon2 View Post

For the Nth time IPHONE IS NOT CAPABLE OF NORMAL VIDEO CAPTURE. IT'S HARDWARE DOES NOT SUPPORT IT. IF IT DID APPLE WOULD HAVE DONE IT ALREADY. DREAMCATCHER IS NOT PROPER VIDEO CAPURE ITS LOTS OF PICS TAKEN QUICKLY PUT TOGETHER.

Sorry bavlondon2, you are incorrect. iPhone CAN shoot video.

The Qik and Cycorder apps (available for jailbroken iPhones through Cydia) can record audio and video just fine (I've done it on my iPhone). Qik will even immediately upload the video to their website so you can share it with others.

Check out a story here:
http://newteevee.com/2008/06/12/qik-...ble-all-along/
Reply
Reply
post #51 of 234
11/21/08 at 9:04am
Quote:
Originally Posted by S8ER01Z View Post

Seriously what is wrong with Apple? This update list is trash save for the Safari and E-mail 'FIXES'. Google street view? Who cares????

Lets add features for 1% of our users and ignore the features that 99.99% have been publicly bashing us about not having.

People bash on Microsoft for bloatware and useless features all the time but at least out of the 100 useless things they add to their products the core elements are there that I need.

So how long do we wait for the 2.3 Update so we can find out nothing we want has been added?

If you don't like it, then don't download it. Most will find the update useful, street view is handy when you are trying to look for a location that you have not been to before. The other fixes were much needed.

Since you didn't bother to list the "features" that you claim 99.99% have been requesting, then your comment is full of shit.
Reply
Reply
post #52 of 234
11/21/08 at 9:13am
I mostly care about the speed of the iPhone. In other words, is there a lag in Safari, and does it take forever to open an application? Can I click on a contact the second I see it, or will there be a delay? Apple seems to have focused on speed and stability, and that's what will sell iPhones.

I couldn't care less about copy and paste. Frankly, I think it would just be confusing to most people. Of course, I want PUSH notifications, but not if it's going to slow things down.
Reply
Reply
post #53 of 234
11/21/08 at 9:13am
Quote:
Originally Posted by S8ER01Z View Post

I am sure others will but the majority? Given the limited availability of Street View it's FAR less useful to the greater mass than any of the other features that have been requested. The % values were obviously not backed by any real 'polling' data but still get my point across the same as 25% wanting street views and 75% wanting other features would have.

I wasn't stating that these features added bloat, I was stating that even though other products tend to give us a lot of crap we don't need and won't ever use at least they ALSO include the features people will use and do need.

Again, you are full of shit. Limited availability of Street View? Have you even used the feature on Google Maps (on the internet)? Turn on the feature and zoom out and you will see that every major city and some smaller areas are completed. Hardly "limited availability."

You may not find it useful, but many others will. Again, you fail to mention the so-called "many other features" that people have requested.
Reply
Reply
post #54 of 234
11/21/08 at 9:16am
Anybody know weather this fixes the Audiobooks bug, as in, Music Crashed when 19+ audiobboks were in the audiobooks folder?
Reply
Reply
post #55 of 234
11/21/08 at 9:21am
But how many fps and at what res can it capture? For a 3.5 inch screen you would want at least VGA 30fps.
Reply
Reply
post #56 of 234
11/21/08 at 9:32am
Quote:
Originally Posted by bavlondon2 View Post

Video is a hardware issue. You wont see video capture at all officially on this.

Video is not a hardware issue. My friends jailbroken phone records video. He had 1st and 2nd gen iphone both with video recording due to jailbreak. He puts videos from his phone on youtube I have watched him. So it isn't hardware, it is apple being stubborn.
Reply
Reply
post #57 of 234
11/21/08 at 9:32am
Quote:
Originally Posted by hillstones View Post

Again, you are full of shit. Limited availability of Street View? Have you even used the feature on Google Maps (on the internet)? Turn on the feature and zoom out and you will see that every major city and some smaller areas are completed. Hardly "limited availability."

You may not find it useful, but many others will. Again, you fail to mention the so-called "many other features" that people have requested.


Actually, many more people would use cut, copy, and paste than would know about streetview, or care to use it. Thats just one feature, ther are others like MMS, again, many more people would use that on a daily basis than street view.
Reply
Reply
post #58 of 234
11/21/08 at 9:33am
If dropped calls is an AT&T thing then why would Apple, for the second time, claim that their new update addresses dropped calls?

Ron Paul

Reply

Ron Paul

Reply
post #59 of 234
11/21/08 at 9:34am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel0418 View Post

Video is not a hardware issue. My friends jailbroken phone records video. He had 1st and 2nd gen iphone both with video recording due to jailbreak. He puts videos from his phone on youtube I have watched him. So it isn't hardware, it is apple being stubborn.

Supply a link to the youtube vids will ya? I want to see the quality of them.
Reply
Reply
post #60 of 234
11/21/08 at 9:37am
Naturally, it removes jailbreak.. but it did so safely... it simply updated me to 2.2 and removed anything related to jailbreak. It kept my official apps. I live in a city with lots of public transportation (US) and just playing with that initially - it is amazing. It list the buses and light rails and the schedules! "Departs in 6 minutes". I use light rail occasionally, but for those that rely on it - wow! A godsend. Thanks Google and Apple! BTW - for some reason, on the computer - not iPhone, google map doesn't always have "public transport" as an option for directions like it does for driving or walking -- so, use this: http://www.google.com/transit
2011 13" 2.3 MBP, 2006 15" 2.16 MBP, iPhone 4, iPod Shuffle, AEBS, AppleTV2 with XBMC.
Reply
2011 13" 2.3 MBP, 2006 15" 2.16 MBP, iPhone 4, iPod Shuffle, AEBS, AppleTV2 with XBMC.
Reply
post #61 of 234
11/21/08 at 9:40am
After just finding out that Apple released another update, I have to stand pretty disgruntled in even wanting to install it. It seems like it isn't offering anything THAT useful. I also wished they would just write the code for copy and paste already. I wish they would add the feature of the sense of touching something already. If you don't know what I'm talking about. Pick up a Sprint Instinct and navigate the menus. You can feel a lite vibration when you press a key giving the illusion that your manipulating real objects. I agree with the FLUFF comment. If they are going to update a phone's software.... Make it worth downloading.

LR
Reply
Reply
post #62 of 234
11/21/08 at 9:44am
Quote:
Originally Posted by steviet02 View Post

Supply a link to the youtube vids will ya? I want to see the quality of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd30Vd6UYcw

How sad a citizen not with the company can make it happen, but Apple can't.... Hardware not able to do it? OOOOOK then.
Reply
Reply
post #63 of 234
11/21/08 at 9:45am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

There was actually at least one OS update that Apple charged for. That was the software that enabled the 802.11n option on the wi-fi cards. The computers shipped with b/g but not n because it wasn't ready yet. Their reasoning for why they had to charge for it was because they were adding a feature you didn't have when you bought the computer. Most of the OS updates are only performance, security, and bug fix updates. They don't really add new features, like adding transit schedules to the Maps application on the iPhone (I suspect it was that and not the StreetView feature that was considered a "new" capability that kept the Maps update off the touch).

That said, it is all a bit silly at this point. Apple is probably being overly cautious. Note that all of this GAAP accounting "strictness" came about when Apple was being investigated for the stock options problems. Perhaps they are being over-protective now? Just put the touch on the same accounting method as the iPhone and AppleTV and be done with it already.

The sad thing is, if Google Maps were implemented on the iPhone the same way as it is implemented on a desktop - that is, as a JavaScript applet served up from a web server and running inside Safari (perhaps bound to a few extra JavaScript calls to provide location services), then Google could have pushed through any new feature enhancements independently without the need for a firmware release from Apple, or any of the corresponding worries about GAAP.

Heck... Even if it were dropped from the mainstream firmware entirely and instead released independently as a downloadable App, published by Google Inc and distributed through the iTunes Store, then it could be made available for whatever price Google chose to attach to it, down to and including $0.00.
Reply
Reply
post #64 of 234
11/21/08 at 9:46am
Quote:
Originally Posted by steviet02 View Post

Supply a link to the youtube vids will ya? I want to see the quality of them.

Yeah second that. Id like to see some actual samples. And not those 5pfs rubbish ones that dreamcatcher took.
Reply
Reply
post #65 of 234
11/21/08 at 10:03am
Quote:
Originally Posted by bavlondon2 View Post

Yeah second that. Id like to see some actual samples. And not those 5pfs rubbish ones that dreamcatcher took.

My friend jailbroke his iPhone too and the video camera is anything but crap. There are some apps on jailbroken iPhones that we can only dream on such as free tethering.

Ron Paul

Reply

Ron Paul

Reply
post #66 of 234
11/21/08 at 10:03am
Quote:
Originally Posted by bavlondon2 View Post

But how many fps and at what res can it capture? For a 3.5 inch screen you would want at least VGA 30fps.

Come on, my friend! You cannot expect too much from a mobile device that is so skinny and has such a crappy camera!

According to the page below, Dreamcatcher records at 15fps. Why do they not provide sample videos of their app? Watching a video of a video on Youtube is rather lame for trying to ascertain image quality.

http://www.iphonevideorecorder.com/
Reply
Reply
post #67 of 234
11/21/08 at 10:17am
Quote:
Originally Posted by bavlondon2 View Post

Video is a hardware issue. You wont see video capture at all officially on this.

There's video support under jailbreak, but it is not very good. Could be Apple left it out because it doesn't look good.
2011 13" 2.3 MBP, 2006 15" 2.16 MBP, iPhone 4, iPod Shuffle, AEBS, AppleTV2 with XBMC.
Reply
2011 13" 2.3 MBP, 2006 15" 2.16 MBP, iPhone 4, iPod Shuffle, AEBS, AppleTV2 with XBMC.
Reply
post #68 of 234
11/21/08 at 10:21am
Ahhhhhhh.... I love the sound of whiners in the morning. It sounds like... uh, whining.

Proud AAPL stock owner.

 

GOA

Reply

Proud AAPL stock owner.

 

GOA

Reply
post #69 of 234
11/21/08 at 10:24am
Quote:
Originally Posted by technosmurf View Post

Sorry bavlondon2, you are incorrect. iPhone CAN shoot video.

The Qik and Cycorder apps (available for jailbroken iPhones through Cydia) can record audio and video just fine (I've done it on my iPhone). Qik will even immediately upload the video to their website so you can share it with others.

Check out a story here:
http://newteevee.com/2008/06/12/qik-...ble-all-along/

Here is what video from the iPhone looks like (randomly selected): http://qik.com/iphonedaniel It's not up to Apple's standards. The real question is - why didn't they provide hardware that works well for video and support it?
2011 13" 2.3 MBP, 2006 15" 2.16 MBP, iPhone 4, iPod Shuffle, AEBS, AppleTV2 with XBMC.
Reply
2011 13" 2.3 MBP, 2006 15" 2.16 MBP, iPhone 4, iPod Shuffle, AEBS, AppleTV2 with XBMC.
Reply
post #70 of 234
11/21/08 at 10:39am
I have to object strongly to people describing this update as fluff. Frankly from what I'm seeing and reading the bug fixes in Safari more than justify this update. If that was all they did the update would be worthwhile. The fact is they fixed or improved a lot more than just Safari. These bug fixes are extremely important if your are a developer, it means fewer work arounds and fewer deleted features.

Now the new stuff added may not seem like much to many of you and frankly that is fine. I don't have such a limited view myself of iPhone though. In fact I very much like Apples approach with iPhone updates as it reminds me of many open source projects. That is release early and often to incrementally improve your app. As long as things are getting faster, more stable and more feature complete I'm happy.

Oh by the way by making this a complete point release it becomes a much easier task for developers to specify which version of iPhone their app requires. Apples update practices are good for both Apple and their developers.



Dave
Reply
Reply
post #71 of 234
11/21/08 at 10:39am
Quote:
Originally Posted by bavlondon2 View Post

What Dreamcatcher? Thats not really video mate its lots of pics stitched together like basic animation. Thats why the frame rate is slow and choppy.

Quality just isn't the iPhone camera's forte anyway. I think iPhone video capture quality is pretty typical of quite a lot of camera phones and about par for a typical web video.

Qik is another app that does it.

Here's a sample:
http://qik.com/twit#v=567436

Certainly not what I'd expect from my HF100 or EX3, but the internet generally isn't known for quality media either.
Reply
Reply
post #72 of 234
11/21/08 at 10:41am
Apple seems to have finally gotten it right with 2.2: all apps now respond soon after opening; Contacts starts quickly and is responsive as soon as the contacts are displayed (despite having 500+ entries); and Safari hasn't crashed yet.
Reply
Reply
post #73 of 234
11/21/08 at 10:52am
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

Ahhhhhhh.... I love the sound of whiners in the morning. It sounds like... uh, whining.

All this crap I'm hearing is a good example of why corporal punishment needs to be more common place. Frankly people whining about an update that fixes as much as this one apparently does need to be taken out to the wood shed and worked over until their expectations are more reasonable.

Harsh you may say? Not at all would be my response. For example Apple never advertised that IPhone had MMS or a video capable camera, so why do people suddenly expect such functionality? More so if you need such functionality download the SDK and write your own. You will either be humbled or learn the hardware limitations.

What is more important is that these improvements, bug fixed and updates should lead to many more stable apps. Especially stuff that uses web technologies.

I see nothing to complain about in this update. At least not yet. Faster and more stable is always good.



Dave
Reply
Reply
post #74 of 234
11/21/08 at 10:57am
Here's a new one...
I have a bunch of Web-pages saved as buttons on the home-pages of the iPhone. The icon USED to be just a "picture" of that page when the button/app was created.
NOW (once i've used that button/app), it displays an actual icon for the button... I'm assuming it's the same icon that would appear in the address-bar and Bookmarks menus of desktop Safari. (I know there's a name for those icons, I just can't remember what it is.)
From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, "Look at that!" -...
Reply
From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, "Look at that!" -...
Reply
post #75 of 234
11/21/08 at 10:57am
How useful is street view if the maps haven't been updated in frickin 5 years!

Ok, after figuring out how to look around, it's pretty fun to play with.
Reply
Reply
post #76 of 234
11/21/08 at 11:00am
I noticed that now instead of saying Text Message, it now gives me the name of the person along with still saying Text Message. Cool. I always wanted it to tell me who was sending me the text.

No MMS, which I use rarely, but the website that it sends us to for viewing of the MMS message is rather unreliable.

No copy/paste, but I can live without it and am sure it will come one day. At least they can see how a competitor like RIM does it....and improve upon it.

Landscape keyboard in all keyboard aware apps.

And Safari should go back to the old address bar, for this one looks a little too crowded.


Good job overall.
Reply
Reply
post #77 of 234
11/21/08 at 11:02am
OTA podcast is great!
PTI
Around the Horn
Reply
Reply
post #78 of 234
11/21/08 at 11:27am
Quote:
Originally Posted by KingOfSomewhereHot View Post

Here's a new one...
I have a bunch of Web-pages saved as buttons on the home-pages of the iPhone. The icon USED to be just a "picture" of that page when the button/app was created.
NOW (once i've used that button/app), it displays an actual icon for the button... I'm assuming it's the same icon that would appear in the address-bar and Bookmarks menus of desktop Safari. (I know there's a name for those icons, I just can't remember what it is.)

Favicons
Reply
Reply
post #79 of 234
11/21/08 at 11:28am
I wonder if now the New York Times App would stop crashing so often.
Reply
Reply
post #80 of 234
11/21/08 at 11:32am
Quote:
Originally Posted by KingOfSomewhereHot View Post

Here's a new one...
I have a bunch of Web-pages saved as buttons on the home-pages of the iPhone. The icon USED to be just a "picture" of that page when the button/app was created.
NOW (once i've used that button/app), it displays an actual icon for the button... I'm assuming it's the same icon that would appear in the address-bar and Bookmarks menus of desktop Safari. (I know there's a name for those icons, I just can't remember what it is.)

Actually those would be "apple-touch-icon" icons, which can differ from the usual link icon, depending on how the site was configured. From your description, it seems the websites you previously saved may have since been updated to specify apple-touch-icons and the iPhone 2.2 software updates its touch icon accordingly.
Reply
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: iPhone
AppleInsider › Forums › Mobile › iPhone › Apple releases iPhone Software v2.2