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Originally Posted by steviet02 View Post

Supply a link to the youtube vids will ya? I want to see the quality of them.

Ok. Here is 1. The one my friend has is different than this but still. The video recording is shown near the end of this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCkF5IteHLU


Here, this one is better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L0cNPMSDXs
post #82 of 234
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Quality just isn't the iPhone camera's forte anyway. I think iPhone video capture quality is pretty typical of quite a lot of camera phones and about par for a typical web video.

Qik is another app that does it.

Here's a sample:
http://qik.com/twit#v=567436

Certainly not what I'd expect from my HF100 or EX3, but the internet generally isn't known for quality media either.

Thats terrible quality. And you can forget any pre assumptions of phones not being able to shoot good video. Ok they are not up to camera standards but they never will be.......

.....however

We have had VGA 30fps since years ago with the N93. Now we even have the cheap mid range LG phones shooting at 720 by 480. There is really no excuse these days. Im not expecting Apple to suddenly activate it as it doesnt even have the capability for it but I will be expecting it in iphones sucessor. And by sucessor I dont mean a bigger capacity version of the existing iphone 3g but a proper follow up. The problem is in the US some aspects of mobile technology are way behind. Video is obviously one of them as is imaging.
post #83 of 234
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Originally Posted by JCC View Post

I wonder if now the New York Times App would stop crashing so often.

Not a crash for me after several minutes of updating and browsing, which is unusual. The app is also much more responsive. I wonder if we've all been running a debug version of the OS with 2.1.
post #84 of 234
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Originally Posted by Daniel0418 View Post

Ok. Here is 1. The one my friend has is different than this but still. The video recording is shown near the end of this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCkF5IteHLU


Here, this one is better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L0cNPMSDXs

Awful quality. On top of being probably only 5-7 fps (ROFL) it only shoots a few seconds at a time.

This is where everyone else is up to.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YRMiXYqhiPs

I appreciate that in some aspects iphone is way ahead of everyone else but when it comes to this it is still trying to make a wheel go round whilst everyone else is building cars by the day.
post #85 of 234
Interesting...

Gauging from the tone of comments on this board and other iPhone boards, I'd say the the iPhone has a younger userbase. (Can anyone confirm or deny this?) Amongst apple users, there have always been complaints that such and such wasn't fixed whenever a new release hits. But generally the reasoning behind the complaints was a bit less combative and slightly less me-me-me style. Not entirely so (or even close), but the type and magnitude of complaining was predictable to those with a few years of experience.

Given the price of the iPhone, forum membership is comprised of a different demographic and the culture has changed accordingly. I'll just have to come to grips with the reality of the new forum culture now that the price for entry is only $199. The iPod started the trend but it wasn't really a full mobile software platform. There were only a handful of features to rant about.

Yep, now that anyone can have a full-blown computer in their pocket for 200 bucks, the very nature of computing critiques will change. The ivory tower has been sieged and toppled.
post #86 of 234
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Originally Posted by bavlondon2 View Post

Awful quality. On top of being probably only 5-7 fps (ROFL) it only shoots a few seconds at a time.

This is where everyone else is up to.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YRMiXYqhiPs

I appreciate that in some aspects iphone is way ahead of everyone else but when it comes to this it is still trying to make a wheel go round whilst everyone else is building cars by the day.

The video you showed was the actual video data, not a video of a phone playing video. I've tried a jailbroken iPhone, and I recorded and played back the video, and it was impressive maybe not the best out there, but it was impressive. You have to see it, YouTube videos of cameras shooting other camera footage may not give you the best representation.
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post #87 of 234
It's a 200 entrance fee....the total cost is much more.
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Interesting...

Gauging from the tone of comments on this board and other iPhone boards, I'd say the the iPhone has a younger userbase. (Can anyone confirm or deny this?) Amongst apple users, there have always been complaints that such and such wasn't fixed whenever a new release hits. But generally the reasoning behind the complaints was a bit less combative and slightly less me-me-me style. Not entirely so (or even close), but the type and magnitude of complaining was predictable to those with a few years of experience.

Given the price of the iPhone, forum membership is comprised of a different demographic and the culture has changed accordingly. I'll just have to come to grips with the reality of the new forum culture now that the price for entry is only $199. The iPod started the trend but it wasn't really a full mobile software platform. There were only a handful of features to rant about.

Yep, now that anyone can have a full-blown computer in their pocket for 200 bucks, the very nature of computing critiques will change. The ivory tower has been sieged and toppled.

And pretty much everyone is me me me, it's just in the end, most of the me me me's end up being we we we's.
post #88 of 234
Hello. Has anybody else had a problem updating the apps on their iPhone? When I click on the "App Store" icon and then select "Updates" it takes foreveve "Loading", and then says "Cannot Connect to Store." It willl not let you access them from within iTunes either.
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Hello. Has anybody else had a problem updating the apps on their iPhone? When I click on the "App Store" icon and then select "Updates" it takes foreveve "Loading", and then says "Cannot Connect to Store." It willl not let you access them from within iTunes either.

Me, too, ever since late Thursday night (I'm in U.S. Central time).
post #90 of 234
I have this problem too.
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Originally Posted by matthamil View Post

Hello. Has anybody else had a problem updating the apps on their iPhone? When I click on the "App Store" icon and then select "Updates" it takes foreveve "Loading", and then says "Cannot Connect to Store." It willl not let you access them from within iTunes either.
post #91 of 234
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Originally Posted by matthamil View Post

Hello. Has anybody else had a problem updating the apps on their iPhone? When I click on the "App Store" icon and then select "Updates" it takes foreveve "Loading", and then says "Cannot Connect to Store." It willl not let you access them from within iTunes either.

Yes this has been a problem since version 2.1, I think. The only solution I know of is to erase your app from the iPhone (hold down the home button till the icons shiver, then click the "x"), then run the update. The problem with this solution is that you'd lose all your data such as high-score etc. for that application.

Edit: Oh... I see what you were saying, yes I'm having the same thing here too.
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post #92 of 234
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Originally Posted by matthamil View Post

Hello. Has anybody else had a problem updating the apps on their iPhone? When I click on the "App Store" icon and then select "Updates" it takes foreveve "Loading", and then says "Cannot Connect to Store." It willl not let you access them from within iTunes either.

Same here
post #93 of 234
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Originally Posted by BlackSummerNight View Post

It's a 200 entrance fee....the total cost is much more.

And pretty much everyone is me me me, it's just in the end, most of the me me me's end up being we we we's.

Good point about the total cost (subscription etc).

As for "me-me-me", I think that changes drastically for age. Not for everyone, but for enough people that groups of 30 somethings interact differently than do teenagers or college students.

Going to college opens one's eyes to the breadth of types of people and how they live their lives. Being married causes people (or should cause people) to constantly weigh their own wishes along with those of another. Having kids forces people to shove aside their own personal preferences on a daily basis. Stylish clothing tends to give way to saxophone lessons. Getting fired from a real job makes people more attentive to the wishes of someone else, their boss. (No, i'm not married, don't have kids, and have never been fired... but the theory seems sound.)

Hopefully this doesn't sound like a criticism of any age group. It is fun to interact with people of all different ages. Nor do I consider the behavior of young people to be bad, just different.

To try and bring us back on-topic, consider this...

Computing has gone through a few demographic shifts in the handful of decades it has existed. For instance, most computer science majors used to be women. This was back when computing was seen as a clerical profession. Desktop computing changed things as did personal/home computers.

We're currently in the midst of another shift. Pocket computers, such as iPhones, will soon be found in the pockets of pretty much everyone, even elementary school kids. When updates like iPhone 2.2 are released, the bulk of commentery will be received from different people than in the past.

The demographics of the feedback loop have changed.
post #94 of 234
Yeah, great. Big whoop. Where's copy and paste?
post #95 of 234
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Originally Posted by hillstones View Post

Since you didn't bother to list the "features" that you claim 99.99% have been requesting, then your comment is full of shit.

Seriously? Like I have to list them? People are here are sick of hearing about them!

Copy Paste, MMS, Video Recording, Tethering, etc,etc,etc...

Look... I'm a developer myself... I understand things have to be stable and run well but there is also a balance that goes with it in offering features that the customer wants or needs. If I didn't add something that my customers had been complaining was missing for over a year (remember 3G owners people have been wanting this for much longer than just a few months) I would be losing customers left and right. Of course my company doesn't have people locked into a contract so they can jump ship whenever they please. It seems Apple feels they have all the time in the world to address what they want and then maybe when the customers start to stray away they can finally add what they have been wanting.
post #96 of 234
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Originally Posted by bloggerblog View Post

Yes this has been a problem since version 2.1, I think. The only solution I know of is to erase your app from the iPhone (hold down the home button till the icons shiver, then click the "x"), then run the update. The problem with this solution is that you'd lose all your data such as high-score etc. for that application.

Edit: Oh... I see what you were saying, yes I'm having the same thing here too.

......
post #97 of 234
I really don't care myself. I bought an internet communications and media playback device. I didn't buy a video camera.



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Originally Posted by bavlondon2 View Post

We have had VGA 30fps since years ago with the N93. Now we even have the cheap mid range LG phones shooting at 720 by 480. There is really no excuse these days. Im not expecting Apple to suddenly activate it as it doesnt even have the capability for it but I will be expecting it in iphones sucessor. And by sucessor I dont mean a bigger capacity version of the existing iphone 3g but a proper follow up. The problem is in the US some aspects of mobile technology are way behind. Video is obviously one of them as is imaging.
post #98 of 234
It all depends. You make the assumption that Apple is absolutely refusing to offer these features. That may not be true. Since we are not a part of their development process we really don't know. Apple has said they are working on providing many of the features and we just have to be patient. Or use a different phone that does what you want.




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Originally Posted by S8ER01Z View Post

Look... I'm a developer myself... I understand things have to be stable and run well but there is also a balance that goes with it in offering features that the customer wants or needs. If I didn't add something that my customers had been complaining was missing for over a year (remember 3G owners people have been wanting this for much longer than just a few months) I would be losing customers left and right. Of course my company doesn't have people locked into a contract so they can jump ship whenever they please. It seems Apple feels they have all the time in the world to address what they want and then maybe when the customers start to stray away they can finally add what they have been wanting.
post #99 of 234
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Yeah, great. Big whoop. Where's copy and paste?

Copy and paste is on your Storm. Go buy one of them and stop complaining.
post #100 of 234
Well, just for a change in the general mood around here, I have to say that I'm quite satisfied with this update. I've just installed it and the whole interface seems smooth as it should have been since the beginning, namely Contacts and the main Settings page. No more jerky scrolling and waiting for seconds for something to happen. That alone makes it worth it in my opinion. As for the rest, I haven't tried it yet and I don't care that much. The iPhone is awesome just as it is.

As for Copy/Paste and MMS whinners, come on, give us a break... MMS is a ridiculously useless technology and while I ocasionally felt the need for copying a phone number from an SMS to the Phone app, I can perfectly live without it, at least till Apple figures out the absolute right way to make it work.

Enjoy your iPhone and stop complaining.
post #101 of 234
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Originally Posted by btitusjr View Post

Copy and paste is on your Storm. Go buy one of them and stop complaining.

Oh right, we're supposed to just take whatever Apple gives us and say "oh, thank you, thank you.."
What, am I supposed to pretend I don't need copy and paste, even though I wish I had it once or twice a week? Am I supposed to think "Great, I've got street view now in google maps" even though I've never once needed it? If Apple doesn't know that people want something, then why would they add it?

I think the only responsible thing to do, if you care about a product, is to complain long and loud about the things that matter to you. For me, not having copy and paste is a big deal. Maybe its not to you... I don't understand what you're doing with your iPhone that it wouldn't be, but that's OK. You're happy with your phone as it is, and I'm glad for you.
post #102 of 234
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Originally Posted by Last_Restraint View Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd30Vd6UYcw

How sad a citizen not with the company can make it happen, but Apple can't.... Hardware not able to do it? OOOOOK then.

That wasn't that bad if it was made with the phone... I would have like to seen him record a 30 second spot or something and then play it back though, I'm cynical like that

Steve
post #103 of 234
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Originally Posted by bavlondon2 View Post

Awful quality. On top of being probably only 5-7 fps (ROFL) it only shoots a few seconds at a time.

This is where everyone else is up to.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YRMiXYqhiPs

I appreciate that in some aspects iphone is way ahead of everyone else but when it comes to this it is still trying to make a wheel go round whilst everyone else is building cars by the day.

Now we're talking...
post #104 of 234
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

It all depends. You make the assumption that Apple is absolutely refusing to offer these features. That may not be true. Since we are not a part of their development process we really don't know. Apple has said they are working on providing many of the features and we just have to be patient. Or use a different phone that does what you want.

By now you should realize that Apple is starting to piss off many of it's loyal customers. Every time Apple brings an update, it usually has features that customers did not really want or ask for, time and time over in these fora people had asked for copy and paste, but a year and a half had passed and there is still no Copy and Paste.
Now Copy & Paste is a feature that would not be useful for me personally, but I mean c'mon is Apple really that arrogant?
Other features such as a video recording which runs very well on a jailbroken iPhone yet fails to make it on a locked iPhone!??
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post #105 of 234
So far so good with the new update. Responsiveness is better and it hasn't dropped calls like it used to (still to early to tell). Safari improvements sound promising.

The new features a little disappointing, but hopefully next update will be better. Copy/paste is a big one for me too. I'd also really like to see access to the file system. A sandboxed system which doesn't allow access to the system or app files, but let users open, save, and share files, such as documents, music or graphic files, etc between apps would be awesome.
post #106 of 234
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By now you should realize that Apple is starting to piss off many of it's loyal customers. Every time Apple brings an update, it usually has features that customers did not really want or ask for, time and time over in these fora people had asked for copy and paste, but a year and a half had passed and there is still no Copy and Paste.
Now Copy & Paste is a feature that would not be useful for me personally, but I mean c'mon is Apple really that arrogant?
Other features such as a video recording which runs very well on jailbroken iPhone yet fails to make on a locked iPhone??

I am starting to think the problem they are having with copy and paste is caused by their original software design and how data is shared between apps (if at all possible). I don't buy the physical implementation argument, that they are trying to figure out how someone would actually do it.
post #107 of 234
I got a Touch recently and the update makes wi-fi connection to my router easier with WPA and fixes an 'edit what you just typed' issue when re-naming text files in Stanza.

Good good.

Update: No, Wait, the edit typing freeze is still there when renaming a file in Stanza.
post #108 of 234
I do realize their is a relatively small group of people who have the luxury and time to care so much about something that is fairly trivial in the larger scheme of things.



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Originally Posted by bloggerblog View Post

By now you should realize that Apple is starting to piss off many of it's loyal customers. Every time Apple brings an update, it usually has features that customers did not really want or ask for, time and time over in these fora people had asked for copy and paste, but a year and a half had passed and there is still no Copy and Paste.
Now Copy & Paste is a feature that would not be useful for me personally, but I mean c'mon is Apple really that arrogant?
Other features such as a video recording which runs very well on jailbroken iPhone yet fails to make on a locked iPhone??
post #109 of 234
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I do realize their is a relatively small group of people who have the luxury and time to care so much about something that is fairly trivial in the larger scheme of things.

And since you seem to be quite the expert when it comes to the larger scheme of things, what are those more trivial things that are hampering lord Apple from providing their bitter customers some simple dingbats to quench their needs?
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post #110 of 234
Apple doesn't care about us Touch users- WAGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Want's to make more money off us in the name of GAAP-- NOOOOOooooooooo!!!!!!
post #111 of 234
Certainly I don't know what is driving Apple's decisions on its feature updates, any more than anyone who does not work at Apple.

What I do know is that the iPhone has to compete in a very competitive market, saturated with thousands of options. If Apple did not provide what people wanted the iPhone would not survive.

If you bought an iPhone but it did not provide all of the features you really want with the assumption that Apple would include them later. If you feel pissed because those features have no come about, ultimately its your fault.



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And since you seem to be quite the expert when it comes to the larger scheme of things, what are those more trivial things that are hampering lord Apple from providing their bitter customers some simple dingbats to quench their needs?
post #112 of 234
While I'm happy for the improvements made to Google Maps I'm not overly impressed with this update from Apple due to it yet again lacks features found in other smartphones. Features that are lacking are ones which their customers such as myself have been asking for since the first iPhone was released over a year ago. Such as the ability to edit documents, record video, digital zoom with timer for the camera, tethering, MMS, AD2P and copy/paste. Several such features are available to only jailbroken iPhones due to several have been delayed by Apple's red tape approval process for months or even blocked entirely from posting in the App Store (ie: tethering apps). It's the reason why I'll continue to jailbreak unless Apple starts taking the smartphone market more serious by offering useful updates.
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post #113 of 234
If you understand the history of Apple. You would know they have never done things simply because someone else has done it.

If the features in those other smartphones were all that compelling and useful the iPhone would not be outselling every other phone in the market.



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While I'm happy for the improvements made to Google Maps I'm not overly impressed with this update from Apple due to it yet again lacks features found in other smartphones.
post #114 of 234
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

All this crap I'm hearing is a good example of why corporal punishment needs to be more common place. Frankly people whining about an update that fixes as much as this one apparently does need to be taken out to the wood shed and worked over until their expectations are more reasonable.

Harsh you may say? Not at all would be my response. For example Apple never advertised that IPhone had MMS or a video capable camera, so why do people suddenly expect such functionality? More so if you need such functionality download the SDK and write your own. You will either be humbled or learn the hardware limitations.

What is more important is that these improvements, bug fixed and updates should lead to many more stable apps. Especially stuff that uses web technologies.

I see nothing to complain about in this update. At least not yet. Faster and more stable is always good.



Dave

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The real issue is that Apple is not listening to their customers. Yes they do provide some things that are of use to customers such as bug fixes but that should be expected of any developer. The reality is that several features such as MMS, video recording and tethering have been available for several months but Apple has chosen to either ignore these third party app developers or block them entirely from posting in the App Store. MMS is a feature that has been common place in the cellphone market for years and is available on the most basic of cellphones. It makes no sense that Apple can't provide such features to their customers. I can see potential for the iPhone 3G to be a very useful device in consumers daily lives but only if Apple puts real work into providing missing features that their competitors are already offering. A first step would be to actually listen to their customers feedback even when it's negative instead of deleting posts relating to missing features on their Apple User to User Discussion Forum.
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post #115 of 234
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If you understand the history of Apple. You would know they have never done things simply because someone else has done it.

If the features in those other smartphones were all that compelling and useful the iPhone would not be outselling every other phone in the market.

The main reason it outsells other smartphones currently is due to smart advertising which causes hype whereby consumers see several people have it and it's advertised on several TV stations so it must be great. Then they get home and realize what it lacks but can't return it as they've exceeded their buyers remorse policy (ie: over 30 minutes usage, etc). There's also those consumers such as myself who are long time Apple customers that have hope that Apple will actually take the iPhone development seriously so as to compete in the global cellphone market. It would be interesting to know how many customers ask to return their iPhones to carriers stating they were dissatisfied with it's missing features. Though unfortunately wireless carriers don't release these churn numbers to the public.
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The main reason it outsells other smartphones currently is due to smart advertising which causes hype whereby consumers see several people have it and it's advertised on several TV stations so it must be great. Then they get home and realize what it lacks but can't return it as they've exceeded their buyers remorse policy (ie: over 30 minutes usage, etc). There's also those consumers such as myself who are long time Apple customers that have hope that Apple will actually take the iPhone development seriously so as to compete in the global cellphone market. It would be interesting to know how many customers ask to return their iPhones to carriers stating they were dissatisfied with it's missing features. Though unfortunately wireless carriers don't release these churn numbers to the public.

That is some load of crap. You have 30 days to return it. If the buyers remorse was so great and so many were being returned then why did so many switch from 2G to 3G? Are you really saying that advertising is the main draw to the iPhone? That my use of the iPod and Safari is somehow just me being to daft that it's really the worst in its field, but I somehow can't tell because I saw an iPhone commercial?
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post #117 of 234
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The real issue is that Apple is not listening to their customers.

If Apple were not listening to customers the iPhone would not be the top selling phone in the US and the second best selling smartphone in the world.


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The main reason it outsells other smartphones currently is due to smart advertising which causes hype whereby consumers see several people have it and it's advertised on several TV stations so it must be great. Then they get home and realize what it lacks but can't return it as they've exceeded their buyers remorse policy (ie: over 30 minutes usage, etc). There's also those consumers such as myself who are long time Apple customers that have hope that Apple will actually take the iPhone development seriously so as to compete in the global cellphone market. It would be interesting to know how many customers ask to return their iPhones to carriers stating they were dissatisfied with it's missing features. Though unfortunately wireless carriers don't release these churn numbers to the public.

Consumers have 30 days to take the phone back if they don't like it, you are pulling this stuff out of your butt.
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Consumers have 30 days to take the phone back if they don't like it, you are pulling this stuff out of your butt.

I said the same thing, but I just checked Apple's return policy page and they state that every item has a 14 day return policy. Though AT&T clearly states a 30 day return policy for the iPhone. I thought Apple changed theirs to 30 days for only the iPhone but I have yet to find info supporting my previous premise.
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post #119 of 234
Yeah I started to rethink that myself. But still it gives you time to return it if you find it does not suit your needs.

Its silly to assert that 7 million people were tricked into buying a phone that they did not like and could not return.


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I said the same thing, but I just checked Apple's return policy page and they state that every item has a 14 day return policy. Though AT&T clearly states a 30 day return policy for the iPhone. I thought Apple changed theirs to 30 days for only the iPhone but I have yet to find info supporting my previous premise.
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Its silly to assert that 7 million people were tricked into buying a phone that they did not like and could not return.

Not only were we too stupid to return it in the alloted time, we were doubly stupid to be taken in by slick but empty advertising. \
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