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Apple has removed a widely publicized support document from its website that encouraged Mac OS X users to install antivirus software, explaining that its operating system was designed with safeguards to protect against malicious attacks on its own.

The recommendation drew widespread attention given that the Mac maker has been critical in its television advertisements of Windows users' need to stock up on virus detection software while its own computers remain immune to viral threats.

It was later revealed that the document was about a year old and only caught the attention of industry watchers after Apple recently updated it to reflect changes in the version numbering of the antivirus software it was recommending.

"Apple encourages the widespread use of multiple antivirus utilities so that virus programmers have more than one application to circumvent, thus making the whole virus writing process more difficult," the document said, in part.

Speaking to CNet News.com, Apple spokesperson Bill Evans said the article was removed last night because it was deemed to be "old and inaccurate."

"The Mac is designed with built-in technologies that provide protection against malicious software and security threats right out of the box," he said. "However, since no system can be 100 percent immune from every threat, running antivirus software may offer additional protection."

TidBITS security editor Rich Mogull speculates that Apple may have never intended to urge Mac users to install antivirus software, and that the support article may have found its way to the company's website without being filtered through the proper channels.

For its part, CNet believes Apple's latest statement "poses more questions than it answers."
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For its part, CNet believes Apple's latest statement "poses more questions than it answers."

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Here's a nutty idea. Instead of recommending third party software, how about issuing security updates faster? Or if they can't do that, make their own antivirus software. They can even include the antivirus subscription in MobileMe if they want to make money off it.
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Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post

Here's a nutty idea. Instead of recommending third party software, how about issuing security updates faster? Or if they can't do that, make their own antivirus software. They can even include the antivirus subscription in MobileMe if they want to make money off it.

All good ideas.

PS: On the MM inclusion, I'd first like MM to include the ability to locate my iPhone via GPS from the MM site and the ability to allow for a remote secure wipe of the handset if it should be lost or stolen. But I doubt either of those will ever arrive so I'm not holding my breath.
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Here's a nutty idea. Instead of recommending third party software, how about issuing security updates faster? Or if they can't do that, make their own antivirus software. They can even include the antivirus subscription in MobileMe if they want to make money off it.

Apple is not recommending anything. Apple has removed an old KB page that was recommending installing an anti-virus. This page was several years old.
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And I just bought 3 different anti-virus software packages yesterday and intalled them on my Macs.

I'm only kidding.

I've never used, nor do I ever see myself installing anti-virus software on my Macs.
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Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post

Here's a nutty idea. Instead of recommending third party software, how about issuing security updates faster? Or if they can't do that, make their own antivirus software. They can even include the antivirus subscription in MobileMe if they want to make money off it.

I totally agree. I think Apple has been pretty stupid of late when it comes to money making strategies:

1) Why is there still no MacBook Air 3G add-on to iPhone subscription plans? (MBA would have its own 3G chip)
2) How come there is not yet an iTunes 3G Music Store? Apple would get a lot more business.
3) Come on Apple! Finish updating all your products instead of having some of them hanging out to dry!!! (MobileMe iDisk link emailing, Mac desktop Mini DisplayPort, iPhone compatibility with the new Apple Headsets, 802.11n on iPhone and iPod touch, new Mac mini, Snow Leopard, etc)
4) Allow people to buy ALL VIDEOS on iTunes in HD!!! Stop limiting it to movie rentals and TV shows!!! I want HD music videos and movies on my Mac!
5) No mike on iPod touch; also no camera.
6) They have turned the iPod touch from sophisticated iPod-for-the-gods into cheap little touchscreen device by changing its packaging and its price. Having one used to make one considered elite in many social groups; now, everybody has bought the $230 8GB iPod touch (which, to my annoyance, looks identical to the much higher-priced 32GB model) and therefore it has lost most of its cool factor, IMO. That's why I bought a white iPhone 3G.
7) No iPhone MMS. They could use this to woo AT&T to allow tethering with the extra income from customers' MMS messages, but, no.

I am a devoted Apple fanboy, but their recent omissions and oversights have peeved me. You see, whenever Apple makes a big mistake like leaving MMS out of iPhone, the PC people who know me enjoy teasing me about it (of course, there is the double standard that any Microsoft-bashing I do is irrelevant because its products are "not as ridiculously priced as Apple devices"). The worst part of all is that I can see their point.
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If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

Apple apparently just left it.
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Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post

Here's a nutty idea. Instead of recommending third party software, how about issuing security updates faster? Or if they can't do that, make their own antivirus software. They can even include the antivirus subscription in MobileMe if they want to make money off it.

And lord knows they will want to make money from it, but as you say operating system producers should be the one's writing the antivirus software. Their bug, their responsibility. Not to mention the pantheon of issues that 3rd party virus solutions have ALWAYS caused due to incompatibility. If you look at Microsoft , they have finally started taking responsibility and are making an antivirus solution (albeit a poor one). This issue should have always been one the OS guys solved; light weight, not too much crap , current and effective (and free). C'mon Apple live the dream.
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Apple never said to run multiple VS software on your one computer!

Get a clue folks!

Krreaagn
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Originally Posted by dougelo7 View Post

I totally agree. I think Apple has been pretty stupid of late when it comes to money making strategies:

1) Why is there still no MacBook Air 3G add-on to iPhone subscription plans? (MBA would have its own 3G chip)
2) How come there is not yet an iTunes 3G Music Store? Apple would get a lot more business.
3) Come on Apple! Finish updating all your products instead of having some of them hanging out to dry!!! (MobileMe iDisk link emailing, Mac desktop Mini DisplayPort, iPhone compatibility with the new Apple Headsets, 802.11n on iPhone and iPod touch, new Mac mini, Snow Leopard, etc)
4) Allow people to buy ALL VIDEOS on iTunes in HD!!! Stop limiting it to movie rentals and TV shows!!! I want HD music videos and movies on my Mac!
5) No mike on iPod touch; also no camera.
6) They have turned the iPod touch from sophisticated iPod-for-the-gods into cheap little touchscreen device by changing its packaging and its price. Having one used to make one considered elite in many social groups; now, everybody has bought the $230 8GB iPod touch (which, to my annoyance, looks identical to the much higher-priced 32GB model) and therefore it has lost most of its cool factor, IMO. That's why I bought a white iPhone 3G.
7) No iPhone MMS. They could use this to woo AT&T to allow tethering with the extra income from customers' MMS messages, but, no.

1) This would be nice to have. Since CDMA is so popular in the US, I wonder if having an internal proprietary slot for a 3G card (like they did with the original Airport cards) would be the best solution. And not just for the MBa, but the other notebook's too. My USB card from AT&T is less than ideal to use in both the HW and SW.
2) I think this has to do with the transfer method. It seems that selling music over that medium isn't the same as selling it over a other broadband.
3) Things take time. Apple moves faster than anyone else, though they do seem to be spreading themselves thin. I don't mind waiting, but I would like self imposed deadlines to be more accurate.
4) This is most likely a restriction from the content providers. I can't see strategic reason why Apple wouldn't want to offer high definition movies to their Mac users.
5) As thin as it is, that seems pretty tough. The iPhone already suffers from a crappy camera due to its thinness. But this also helps up-sell the new headphones and the iPhone. If the Touch does become a dominate handheld gaming device and other handheld gaming devices start offering cameras then we may see it and/or we get some new tech that allows for a camera to be placed in such a thin device then we may see it.
6) I don't understand this comment. Your problem with the Touch is that it's not elitist enough?
7) Tethering and MMS are two of the major complaints from day one. Their looks like their will be a 3rd party MMS app shortly and it looks like AT&T will soon be allowing tethering for an additional charge. The former I couldn't care less about, the latter would save me money as I currently have a $60/month AT&T USB card.

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I am a devoted Apple fanboy, but their recent omissions and oversights have peeved me.

Apple has always worked like this, even when Jobs was exiled. This is nothing new.

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You see, whenever Apple makes a big mistake like leaving MMS out of iPhone, the PC people who know me enjoy teasing me about it (of course, there is the double standard that any Microsoft-bashing I do is irrelevant because its products are "not as ridiculously priced as Apple devices"). The worst part of all is that I can see their point.

What MS products are so well priced compared to Apple's products? the only things that are comparable are the OS and office suites, which are much cheaper from Apple (though iWork doesn't really compete with MS Office, IMO), and the Zune models are either the same price as its competing iPod or only slightly cheaper. So what MS product are you referring?
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"The Mac is designed with built-in technologies that provide protection against malicious software and security threats right out of the box," he said. "However, since no system can be 100 percent immune from every threat, running antivirus software may offer additional protection."

Talk about hedging your bets.

What Apple is saying is 'we don't think you'll get a virus but if you do don't blame us'.

As Kolchak says above - why not provide an anti-virus product as part of the MobileMe subscription.

I suspect that Anti-virus software is more of an issue for PC switchers who have been bombarded with threats over the years. Is not that easy to change your mindset to believe that OSX is totally secure and therefore you don't need that safety net. Personally I don't have a problem with installing anti-virus software on the Mac. It's not exactly a major cost.
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Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post

Here's a nutty idea. Instead of recommending third party software, how about issuing security updates faster? Or if they can't do that, make their own antivirus software.

I'm sure they'd like to issue security updates faster but it's important to get it right. All too often, we read of security updates on OTHER platforms that cause new problems for some users because they were rushed. Apple, at least, seems to test their updates throughly before releasing them.
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That article was a "Old article", clearly labeled even when Apple had it on their website.

It got updated with a new numbering system and became visible. This was pointed out by many people on CNET.

Journalist talk, they don't read.
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Hopefully Microshit doesnt get wind of this little fiasco......

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Did the Apple KB article indicate where the anti virus software should be installed? Seems that everyone is assuming that when Apple advocates the use of anti-viral software that they meant to use it on Mac OS - maybe the statement was a recommendation for those with Windows OS in their environment - including boot camp and virtual PCs.
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you do know..someone at Apple got a pretty nasty call from Steve saying...take that down now or you're fired. and dont let it happen again.
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It was a poorly written article - specifically mentioning anti-virus rather than "system security software" was a big mistake (and yeah, old article, but still).

The article should have read:

1) Mac OS X is designed for security, blah blah blah by design, blah difficult to get viruses through traditional means, blah

2) With Boot Camp and Virtualisation, new vector for viruses/spyware/malware to get installed bypassing Mac OS X

3) Therefore recommend installing security software in Windows on Macs, and on Mac OS X.

Fact is, as the marketshare of Macs increases, more and more people will write malware, and there will be holes discovered, and more likely, there will be stupid users who let it get installed.
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Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post

Here's a nutty idea. Instead of recommending third party software, how about issuing security updates faster? Or if they can't do that, make their own antivirus software. They can even include the antivirus subscription in MobileMe if they want to make money off it.

Doesn't anyone remember that clamav is already included with OS X Server. All they have to do is add it to the client version and slap a GUI on it (sorry about that ClamXav developer).
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Doesn't anyone remember that clamav is already included with OS X Server. All they have to do is add it to the client version and slap a GUI on it (sorry about that ClamXav developer).

I took a look at ClamXav and they seriously need someone to give them a hand with an improved GUI. That brushed metal look is so 2005.

For my part I don't actually have an anti-virus on my Mac, but when you play around with PC networks, having a computer that is immune itself detect PC viruses is not such as bad thing. Think of it like the mosquito: while it Malaria can't cause it issues, it can help spread the disease. If the mosquito was able to detect and eradicate the viruses on board, then it would not be a threat to anything else.
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Originally Posted by dougelo7 View Post

I totally agree. I think Apple has been pretty stupid of late when it comes to money making strategies:

1) Why is there still no MacBook Air 3G add-on to iPhone subscription plans? (MBA would have its own 3G chip)
2) How come there is not yet an iTunes 3G Music Store? Apple would get a lot more business.
3) Come on Apple! Finish updating all your products instead of having some of them hanging out to dry!!! (MobileMe iDisk link emailing, Mac desktop Mini DisplayPort, iPhone compatibility with the new Apple Headsets, 802.11n on iPhone and iPod touch, new Mac mini, Snow Leopard, etc)
4) Allow people to buy ALL VIDEOS on iTunes in HD!!! Stop limiting it to movie rentals and TV shows!!! I want HD music videos and movies on my Mac!
5) No mike on iPod touch; also no camera.
6) They have turned the iPod touch from sophisticated iPod-for-the-gods into cheap little touchscreen device by changing its packaging and its price. Having one used to make one considered elite in many social groups; now, everybody has bought the $230 8GB iPod touch (which, to my annoyance, looks identical to the much higher-priced 32GB model) and therefore it has lost most of its cool factor, IMO. That's why I bought a white iPhone 3G.
7) No iPhone MMS. They could use this to woo AT&T to allow tethering with the extra income from customers' MMS messages, but, no.

I am a devoted Apple fanboy, but their recent omissions and oversights have peeved me. You see, whenever Apple makes a big mistake like leaving MMS out of iPhone, the PC people who know me enjoy teasing me about it (of course, there is the double standard that any Microsoft-bashing I do is irrelevant because its products are "not as ridiculously priced as Apple devices"). The worst part of all is that I can see their point.

Wow, you really hate everything about Apple. Whine Whine Whine.
1). Stupid idea. Not everyone owns an iPhone. The Air is already a joke at $1,799, why make it even more expensive by adding 3G when it would rarely be used by the majority of owners?
2) Apple already does a lot of business on iTunes, and wouldn't do anymore if they added 3G support. Considering AT&T's network isn't that great to begin with, you want to slow it down even more with large file downloads? Yeah, that's a good idea.
3) So you want them to finish every single product all at once? Get a clue.
4) Apple doesn't decide on what is available in HD. The content providers do. So blame them.
5) There isn't a mic on any iPod, nor is there a camera either. The iPod Touch is an iPod, not an iPhone! And it is a MIC, not a MIKE!
6) Boo hoo, the iPod Touch is popular and everyone has one. Same goes for the iPhone. How dare Apple sell their products to everyone else. How dare they lower the price to make it affordable. Now I can't be a spoiled little brat with my iPod/Touch/Phone. WAAAAAAA! By the way, the iPod Touch is still the same quality, it isn't a cheap touchscreen device. Didn't you realize that everyone is buying a white iPhone? Hurry, you better sell yours now.
7) No MMS. Not really a big deal. The phone does have full email capability. People don't need more charges on the phone plan when an email is free and can send pictures.

I think your friends are teasing you for more than just the iPhone lacking MMS.
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

Talk about hedging your bets.

What Apple is saying is 'we don't think you'll get a virus but if you do don't blame us'.

As Kolchak says above - why not provide an anti-virus product as part of the MobileMe subscription.

I suspect that Anti-virus software is more of an issue for PC switchers who have been bombarded with threats over the years. Is not that easy to change your mindset to believe that OSX is totally secure and therefore you don't need that safety net. Personally I don't have a problem with installing anti-virus software on the Mac. It's not exactly a major cost.

That's not what they are saying. They are saying that any system is susceptable to viruses, and you can use an Anti-Virus product at your own descretion. Apple did include free Anti-Virus with .Mac, and it ended up being more problems with conflicts, so they dropped it.

The problem with anti-virus software is that it slows down the system and causes more problems than they actually fix.
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The phone does have full email capability.

Not really. I still can't send and save attachments properly unless they're images. Would be nice to see "real attachments" either from Apple or from a third party if Apple allows.
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Originally Posted by lilgto64 View Post

Did the Apple KB article indicate where the anti virus software should be installed? Seems that everyone is assuming that when Apple advocates the use of anti-viral software that they meant to use it on Mac OS - maybe the statement was a recommendation for those with Windows OS in their environment - including boot camp and virtual PCs.

Not really...the KB was simply old. It was a KB written in the late OS 9, early OS X days.

Is everyone incapable of reading?
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Originally Posted by dougelo7 View Post

I totally agree. I think Apple has been pretty stupid of late when it comes to money making strategies:

1) Why is there still no MacBook Air 3G add-on to iPhone subscription plans? (MBA would have its own 3G chip)
2) How come there is not yet an iTunes 3G Music Store? Apple would get a lot more business.
3) Come on Apple! Finish updating all your products instead of having some of them hanging out to dry!!! (MobileMe iDisk link emailing, Mac desktop Mini DisplayPort, iPhone compatibility with the new Apple Headsets, 802.11n on iPhone and iPod touch, new Mac mini, Snow Leopard, etc)
4) Allow people to buy ALL VIDEOS on iTunes in HD!!! Stop limiting it to movie rentals and TV shows!!! I want HD music videos and movies on my Mac!
5) No mike on iPod touch; also no camera.
6) They have turned the iPod touch from sophisticated iPod-for-the-gods into cheap little touchscreen device by changing its packaging and its price. Having one used to make one considered elite in many social groups; now, everybody has bought the $230 8GB iPod touch (which, to my annoyance, looks identical to the much higher-priced 32GB model) and therefore it has lost most of its cool factor, IMO. That's why I bought a white iPhone 3G.
7) No iPhone MMS. They could use this to woo AT&T to allow tethering with the extra income from customers' MMS messages, but, no.

I am a devoted Apple fanboy, but their recent omissions and oversights have peeved me. You see, whenever Apple makes a big mistake like leaving MMS out of iPhone, the PC people who know me enjoy teasing me about it (of course, there is the double standard that any Microsoft-bashing I do is irrelevant because its products are "not as ridiculously priced as Apple devices"). The worst part of all is that I can see their point.

Most of you wrote is not even worth responding to.
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Hopefully Microshit doesnt get wind of this little fiasco......

What are they going to do? Use them in their useless I'm a PC commericals or maybe go and set up booths outside Apple stores.
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As I've seen the "the bigger the Mac OS X market share, the more threats will come" again in this article, I will give a link to an article named "The Mac OS X Malware Myth Continues", providing information about why that market share argument is a little old in the teeth.
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Hopefully Microshit doesnt get wind of this little fiasco......

It won't be the first time Microsoft has misrepresented the security of Apples, it won't be the first time they've taken someone else's work, misrepresenting the security of Apples, and run with it.

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What are they going to do? Use them in their useless I'm a PC commericals or maybe go and set up booths outside Apple stores.

I saw the latest. People in one of the Vista [oh sorry, Windows] tents. Oh wow, look I can create a panoramic view with my pics if I use Vista...that's definitely worth the $300 upgrade from XP to Vista...
post #30 of 60
Apple pulling and/or changing any references to the use of Antivirus software is nothing new. In prior Get a Mac pages, they used to call out using such software on Mac OS X as follows:

"A Mac running with factory settings will protect you from viruses much better than a PC, but its never a bad idea to run extra virus and security software."

http://switchtoamac.com/site/apple-e...e-on-macs.html

That page has been changed and no longer makes that statement but you can see the old page:

http://web.archive.org/web/200803190...c/viruses.html

So Apple's attempts to change their stance on the use of antivirus software is nothing new.
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Here's a nutty idea. Instead of recommending third party software, how about issuing security updates faster? Or if they can't do that, make their own antivirus software. They can even include the antivirus subscription in MobileMe if they want to make money off it.

  • How does one make a vaccine to prevent a non-existent virus?
  • How does one make an antivirus software for a computer that has been impervious to viruses?
  • How would one prove that an antivirus software works if you don't have a computer with the virus to test it on?
  • How would one be able to justify any price for something that does nothing for nothing?
  • And who would buy it?
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The REAL fiasco will be if anyone on planet earth can name ONE OS X virus or worm that is out in the wild now and is successfully spreading itself via the Internet.

(In other words, I'm not talking about LAN-only exploits, ones that have been patched, lab experiments, or ones that require the user to be persuaded to install something manually--a Trojan. I'm talking about a real-world threat, that my Mac today might get if I don't have anti-virus software.)

In fact, I'd even be interested in hearing of one OS X virus/worm that had real-world widespread success in the PAST, or on un-patched Macs. That wouldn't threaten me today, but it would be interesting to note. Windows devotees could at least have a real, successful malware attack to point to by name.

I don't criticize those who install AV software out of extra paranoia--it makes some sense, because the first successful OS X virus might well come along some day. But I can't help thinking two things:

1. In the past, some AV software has CREATED security holes, leaving your machine less secure.

2. If a new virus comes along, you'll probably also need to download new virus definitions for it anyway, or you're not protected. So I figure I may as well wait until then--and download the AV software WITH the new definitions when and if such a threat emerges. (It's nice to have that done automatically, but I suspect if there's a real Mac virus or worm, it will get so much press that I'll know about it! Thank of all the press NON-threats get, like that old iChat trojan that couldn't even travel over the Internet, only LAN--not that most articles mentioned such a fact.)
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Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

Doesn't anyone remember that clamav is already included with OS X Server. All they have to do is add it to the client version and slap a GUI on it (sorry about that ClamXav developer).

See www.protectmac.com. It is a modern Mac OS X GUI to clamav. I've tried it and it works well.
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Anyone who has a Mac knows that the AntiVirus campaign directed toward Macs is just like DC lobbyists who use Obamas and Phil Gramms to steer their agendas. If someone somewhere at Apple says that AntiViral software needs to protect Leopard, they are probably paid by one of the suppliers. First, if you screw with Unix, the DEPT OF Defence will fly helicopters over your house and rope drop black suited SWAT teams to remove you. Secondly, who but the writers of AntiVirus software would be better at creating dangerous bugs than ex Sumantec guys? Might the companies even be letting Viruses slip onto the web just to stay profitable? ( I mean, what if Dick Cheney or Don Rumsfeld ran at Windows product company? Talk about ADD-Abuse, Deception and Denial.)
Adding AntiVIRUS software slows everything you do down to Windows speeds. Remember. the reason we have such blazing speed processors available from Intel, is that to do anything in Windows required a lot of heat from a processor. For those of us who had our Macs in 84 and run Word from a 400k floppy at 128K, see that Microsofts whole approach has been a botch job of bloated code and an obscene waste of processor speed.
But when you run Parallels and XP or V...V..Visa on your MAC, you do need AntiVirus software-which is provided free, as it should be.
Thank God Apple retracted that stupid, unneeded recommendation!!! And send an email to Doug Englebart and thank him for creating everything we are able to do on our machines!
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Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post

Here's a nutty idea. Instead of recommending third party software, how about issuing security updates faster? Or if they can't do that, make their own antivirus software. They can even include the antivirus subscription in MobileMe if they want to make money off it.

Ok y'know what, that is a nutty idea .

I couldn't stand paying more to install some bloated CPU hog for viruses that are currently borderline non-existent, especially on top of my .mac/mm subscription.

And just in case I'm wrong here, don't Apple security updates come out often enough? I seem to get one every few weeks, that's more than fast enough for me. Apple seems to be amazingly fast in their response to threats.

This virus thing at the moment is just being blown out of proportion.

Edit: Hey I just remembered, the old .mac subscription used to come with the ever (un)useful 'Virex', did it not?

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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

  • How does one make a vaccine to prevent a non-existent virus?
  • How does one make an antivirus software for a computer that has been impervious to viruses?
  • How would one prove that an antivirus software works if you don't have a computer with the virus to test it on?
  • How would one be able to justify any price for something that does nothing for nothing?
  • And who would buy it?

I bow to you Zen Master Abster2core
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Apple just walked into the whore house, tore up the condom, and slapped the madam across the face - I'll let you figure out with what.
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Apple just walked into the whore house, tore up the condom, and slapped the madam across the face - I'll let you figure out with what.



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Originally Posted by lilgto64 View Post

Did the Apple KB article indicate where the anti virus software should be installed? Seems that everyone is assuming that when Apple advocates the use of anti-viral software that they meant to use it on Mac OS - maybe the statement was a recommendation for those with Windows OS in their environment - including boot camp and virtual PCs.

Haha. This is funny. They meant for windows. Lol
post #40 of 60
What's up with the recent influx of posters who all love to add some kind of little disclaimer like:

"You know I'm the biggest MAC fan around and I love my I-PHONE but you know Apple is really lame yada yada yada."?

I mean really, no one gives a shit how much of a fan you are and any why that somehow justifies your latest crazy rant about how everything Steve Jobs does is just to offend you personally.
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