The Generational Blind Spot-BOOM! - Page 3

Originally Posted by midwinter

I love is that the new meme on the right is to bitch and moan about an entire generation. I think there's hope for their new platform in 2012:
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THOSE BORN 1920-1979
TO ALL THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED the 1930's, 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's!!
First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they were pregnant.
They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes.
Then after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in baby cribs covered with bright colored lead-based paints.
We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.
As infants &children, we would ride in cars with no car seats, booster seats, seat belts or air bags.
Riding in the back of a pick up on a warm day was always a special treat.
We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.
We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.
We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.
We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and, although we were told it would happen, we did not poke out very many eyes.
We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!
Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!
The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!
These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!
The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!
If YOU are one of them CONGRATULATIONS!
You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated so much of our lives for our own good .
While you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave (and lucky) their parents were.

Originally Posted by trumptman

Yes and not every article about Bush happens to mention that Bush is a Boomer.

When the Klan is writing about a Klan president discussing the mostly Klan congress passing huge bills that require a printing press. It is a Klan bill and a Klan action.

Originally Posted by trumptman

Yes and not every article about the Klan happens to mention that the people under the sheets are white.

When a Boomer is writing about a Boomer president discussing the mostly Boomer ongress passing huge bills that require a printing press. It is a Boomer bill and a Boomer action.

BOOMERS!BOOMERS!BOOMERS!

Just for good measure.

Yes and not every article about the Klan happens to mention that the people under the sheets are white.

Originally Posted by franksargent

Originally Posted by trumptman

Fifth time... sounds like spam to me along with excessive and off-topic images.

Originally Posted by @_@ Artman

That's funny because this topic covers a wide range of issues. My link justifies this.

But not in your mind though. But keep typing, I wouldn't want your head to explode.

Originally Posted by franksargent

What's wrong with today's youth, you know all those individuals under the age of forty?

They're all sub-prime, defaulting on their mortgages, dumber than doorknobs, fatter than elephants, totally maxed out on all manner and forms of credit, wandering the streets homeless, have been unemployed like forever, living of off food stamps (literally, they are actually eating food stamps (see doorknobs above)), having children out of wedlock, collecting welfare checks, robbing banks and each other, killing each other with their dumsticks, haven't stopped beating their spouses yet, buggering their and other people's children, on, and on, and on, ..., ad infinitum, ad nauseam.

Originally Posted by trumptman

Fifth time... sounds like spam to me along with excessive and off-topic images.

Originally Posted by @_@ Artman

The economic crisis is just a media conspiracy.

O'Reilly and Rove said so, so it must be true.

Originally Posted by trumptman

There are some greeks that seem to be rioting quite a bit when described much like you suggest. I'll give you a hint, blame their parents.

We have to have some domestic to produce. Even growing pot has been outsourced.

Q: "Will you consider legalizing marijuana so that the government can regulate it, tax it, put age limits on it, and create millions of new jobs and create a billion dollar industry right here in the U.S.?" S. Man, Denton

A: President-elect Obama is not in favor of the legalization of marijuana.

Originally Posted by trumptman

Yes well you can repeat yourself and add images to the repetition in an attempt to derail the thread. I mean it IS what you do instead of engage the ideas. Still I'll call it what it happens to be which is spamming.

Originally Posted by trumptman

Here ya go Frank.

Minyanville is a media company that creates branded content to entertain and educate audiences about the world of finance. Led by a cast of "Critters" including Hoofy the Bull and Boo The Bear, Minyanville highlights the need for better financial understanding.

Minyanville specializes in the area of financial infotainment. The company's promise is to "Secure Your Future, Feed Your Brain, and Make You Smile."
Targeting a variety of segments--from kids ...

Originally Posted by franksargent

An op-ed bias with intent hit piece.

That seems to be all that you are ever capable of offering up.

Why is that?

Originally Posted by screener

Wow, 25 years ago it started, near the end of Regan's first term.
One of the rights shining lights started it and it's pitiful light weight continuing it while a democrat balanced the budget in between.

I suppose Regan and Bush 1 were boomers huh?

No. 1: Firing the Chairman - Reagan administration replaces Paul Volcker with Alan (Bubble) Greenspan

No. 2: Tearing Down the Walls - Congress repeals the Glass-Steagall Act, via Senator Phil Gramm

No. 3: Applying the Leeches - Bush II tax cuts

No. 4: Faking the Numbers - Congress passes Sarbanes-Oxley Act, or what was a bastardized version of it

No. 5: Letting It Bleed - Passage of a bailout package on October 3, 2008

The truth is most of the individual mistakes boil down to just one: a belief that markets are self-adjusting and that the role of government should be minimal. Looking back at that belief during hearings this fall on Capitol Hill, Alan Greenspan said out loud, “I have found a flaw.” Congressman Henry Waxman pushed him, responding, “In other words, you found that your view of the world, your ideology, was not right; it was not working.” “Absolutely, precisely,” Greenspan said. The embrace by America—and much of the rest of the world—of this flawed economic philosophy made it inevitable that we would eventually arrive at the place we are today.

Originally Posted by screener

Wow, 25 years ago it started, near the end of Regan's first term.
One of the rights shining lights started it and it's pitiful light weight continuing it while a democrat balanced the budget in between.

I suppose Regan and Bush 1 were boomers huh?

Non sequitur (Latin for "it does not follow."), in formal logic, is an argument where its conclusion does not follow from its premises.[1]

Originally Posted by trumptman

Is there anyone or anything that can claim to offer proof of the FUTURE?

If you have proof of all future events, undisputable objective data that can tell precisely how the future is going to turn out, please share.

Oh wait.. all we have is past trends and the ability to suggest future predictions based on those past trends.... I guess perhaps now you should be smart enough to realize that with regard to the future it is all an op-ed. No one is reporting news from the future today.



What is seriously funny is the fact that you want objective data about future events. As I noted, you would just find another way to dismiss that which you don't care to address or discuss.

See, I did a pretty good job or predicting the future right there. Of course I couldn't claim it as fact before it happened. It was just opinion then, but now since it is the past, it has been confirmed as fact that this is the way you operate. Enjoy your blinders past present and future versions. Let me know when you find those undisputable facts from the future that we can report on in the present. You wouldn't happen to have some undisputable objective data as to who is going to win the Super Bowl this year do you? I wouldn't mind making a bet or two.

Cherry picking is the act of pointing at individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position.

The Consumer Expenditure Survey (CE) is a national account conducted by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) of the United States Department of Labor and administered by the Census Bureau.

Early in the first Reagan administration Americans saved 12% of their income; household debt as a percentage of GDP was 63%. In 1980, the oldest Baby Boomers turned 34. They entered their prime earnings and spending years. This is when something went haywire with our great country. Deficit spending became fashionable for government, corporations and individuals. As we now know, Dick Cheneys advice about deficits (i.e. that they dont matter) was about as good as his belief that you can fire a shotgun in any direction without implications. The Boomer generation has freely made choices over the last quarter-century that has brought us to the brink of a second Great Depression.

During the current Bush administration, Americans savings rate actually went below zero, while household debt as a percentage of GDP soared above 130%. These figures prove the apparent prosperity of the last 25 years was an illusion. Early in the first Reagan administration Americans saved 12% of their income; household debt as a percentage of GDP was 63%. In 1980, the oldest Baby Boomers turned 34. They entered their prime earnings and spending years. This is when something went haywire with our great country. Deficit spending became fashionable for government, corporations and individuals. As we now know, Dick Cheneys advice about deficits (i.e. that they dont matter) was about as good as his belief that you can fire a shotgun in any direction without implications. The Boomer generation has freely made choices over the last quarter-century that has brought us to the brink of a second Great Depression.

During the current Bush administration, Americans savings rate actually went below zero, while household debt as a percentage of GDP soared above 130%. These figures prove the apparent prosperity of the last 25 years was an illusion.

Originally Posted by trumptman

Is there anyone or anything that can claim to offer proof of the FUTURE?

If you have proof of all future events, undisputable objective data that can tell precisely how the future is going to turn out, please share.

Oh wait.. all we have is past trends and the ability to suggest future predictions based on those past trends.... I guess perhaps now you should be smart enough to realize that with regard to the future it is all an op-ed. No one is reporting news from the future today.



What is seriously funny is the fact that you want objective data about future events. As I noted, you would just find another way to dismiss that which you don't care to address or discuss.

See, I did a pretty good job or predicting the future right there. Of course I couldn't claim it as fact before it happened. It was just opinion then, but now since it is the past, it has been confirmed as fact that this is the way you operate. Enjoy your blinders past present and future versions. Let me know when you find those undisputable facts from the future that we can report on in the present. You wouldn't happen to have some undisputable objective data as to who is going to win the Super Bowl this year do you? I wouldn't mind making a bet or two.

Is there anyone or anything that can claim to offer proof of the FUTURE

Originally Posted by jimmac

You certainly can't. You've been wrong about 2 elections now.

But I'll make a prediction. It will be more and more difficult for you to make these rediculous claims ( and people will be less accepting ) as time goes on.

But by all means keep it up.

Originally Posted by franksargent

Here's the funny thing, the future, yes, the future.

I never mentioned the word future, not once.

But somehow, my asking for objective data, which no one could normally construe as future objective data (which by it's very nature is an oxymoron), but as past existing objective data.

Present the case with all demographic data for the entire U.S. population. D'oh!

People in their 40's, 50's, and 60's will always be in most positions of responsability regardless of the timeframe, for example, simply due to work experience and the longer time period that they have lived to acquire wealth or position.

But geez, I wonder which demographic is all driving around in all those 4 GPM RV's, still working baby boomers or pre-boom retirees?

I wonder how many post-boom and pre-boom people are sub-prime as a precentage, relative to boomers.

I wonder about the actual age demographics, and income demographics, of all those mortgage defaulters currently?

So you see I want existing demographic data, and I don't want cherry picked or massaged data where some of the underlying data has been lost, wherein the loss is clearly meant to be a bias with intent presentation.

I want all the raw data, so that I can form a first person informed objective opinion.

Is that too much to ask for? I don't think it is too much to ask for. \

Originally Posted by trumptman

Of course you claim not to have read it and if you think noting that no one can present future facts is gibberish then it says something sad about your own mental state which is why you are ribbed even by Jimmac on this.

BTW, go be your own gopher. I don't have to convince you against your will. It isn't my job to throw enough information at you that you cannot sit in denial anymore or dismiss it when that is clearly what you desire to do instead of discuss it. You complained that an article written by a boomer discussing boomer actions didn't say boomer. So I went and got you one that did and now you want to complain that it doesn't have future facts, that because no one can prove the future that it is an op-ed, that you don't like the source, the editing job, that because it has a focus it has "cherry-picked", etc.

Enjoy your denial my friend because your whole generation has been in it for a long time. If you don't what my article presents then start posting something to refute it besides stupid cartoonish graphics and lame denials and dismissals. I started the thread with a source. I added to that source. You've done nothing but bitch and dismiss. Go do some work of your own or much like your generation, are you just used to dumping on the kids.



I don't think I ever predicted that McCain would win this election. If you check my posts, I repeatedly said that this election was Obama's to lose. I was wrong about the midterms but no one is perfect. Now that the media is clearly in the bag and everyone gets it who is polled on it, it will be easier to be more right in the future.



If you wonder, then go find it. I'm not your research assistant. The fact that you've added nothing but demands and dismissals is why even someone who wants in no fashion to support me and desires in every fashion to support you is asking you to be real.

Is that too much to ask for... for me to pummel you with articles and data while you just dismiss and add nothing. It is too much for you to ask. Bring something to the table. If you think the article cherry-picks then don't post the definition because we all already know that. Go find the data that gives the whole story you think isn't being told.

I'm pretty sure you don't want to do that though because boomer are spenders and always have been. They are broke. I've been reading these things for years and anything that does any sort of generational accounting shows them to be screwed and selfish. Regardless of what you want to pretend, I didn't just come to this conclusion after this last election. I've posted it for a while.



Shhhhh.... be nice. Denial is a hard thing to overcome. All he's asking for is a time machine. Isn't that reasonable. He can sit back and dismiss and deny and all I need is a time machine. He's being quite reasonable here.

I don't think I ever predicted that McCain would win this election. If you check my posts, I repeatedly said that this election was Obama's to lose. I was wrong about the midterms but no one is perfect. Now that the media is clearly in the bag and everyone gets it who is polled on it, it will be easier to be more right in the future

Originally Posted by trumptman

Yes. The obvious reason being you need to stop embarassing yourself.

Originally Posted by franksargent

Do you know how to spell lier,

Originally Posted by trumptman

My posts are all here. You are welcome to search and find what you claimed I said and when I said it.

I argued it was closer than was claimed and wouldn't be as easy as claimed, but no one doubted the Republicans had a huge hill to climb this year and they still do. However it will become a lot easier once the great unwashed masses have no choice about figuring out who is governing and who is running up deficits with T's as the first letter.

Originally Posted by trumptman

Yes. The obvious reason being you need to stop embarassing yourself.

Originally Posted by trumptman

Sure. We always have more lurkers than registered members reading here. When they see a real point presented and see it countered with dismissals, smilies, insults, and pictures, they will be convinced. They may not stick around and tell you they were convinced but I'm of the view that they were convinced.

Right now the reality, that Bush was a spender who averaged deficits around $200 or so billion a year is being used as a rationalization by yoursel and others to run the printing presses, destory the currency and fund deficits that will hit a trillion a year. You can tell yourself nonsense like big money is corrupting and then tell yourself that Obama owes no one after raising three-quarters of a trillion dollars to get elected. Meanwhile the garbage that is the standard operating procedure for that state is already stinking up the air and he hasn't even taken the oath yet.

You can also tell yourself that when Bush ducks interview questions it is becuase he has something to hide, but when Obama does it, it is because he is so cute!

Tell yourself whatever you want. I don't have to convince you. There are people who read this other than you. It might be more convincing a couple years from now. Either way, I'm going to express my views.