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post #81 of 256
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Who wants one now? Whoever wanted it already has it. I don't think it something to aspire towards- an underperforming large sheet of metal. Small, not large is the way to go. Analysts have already stated it's underperforming for Apple.

The same analysts who said the iPhone would fail, please.
post #82 of 256
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Originally Posted by t0x View Post

Yes, poor quality. Look at the display on the Macbook. For a $1300+ machine, it's utter garbage. Also, I'm not impressed with the metal unibody. It dents easily and hinders wifi reception. Let's not get into the widespread problems the plastic Macbooks had with their cases.

Sure, there are always lemons in the batch, but Apple has been increasingly cutting corners while maintaining their unwarranted premium pricing.

I wanted to buy a new Macbook, but after seeing it in person, I couldn't justify throwing away $1300 on something that had a display worse than other displays I've seen in less expensive (or better spec'ed) notebooks.

The sad truth of the matter is that lots of people already have OS X running on various netbooks (albeit not without some hacks), so unless Apple whips up something that will excite both the fanboys and new Apple buyers, I'd say they're going to miss the bus with this one.

But like Steve said, he'd rather people buy and iPhone/iPod touch, anyway, than have to sell a low-cost netbook.

Their products are garbage but yet they have the highest consumer satisfaction rates, right.
post #83 of 256
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Originally Posted by steviet02 View Post

Based on what?

I would also like the doubters to prove that its not selling well.
post #84 of 256
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Originally Posted by TBell View Post

Apple already has a net book. It is called an iPod Touch.

No, it's not a netbook. I can't type on an iPod touch, except with one or two fingers, very slowly, making plenty of mistakes. And viewing non-mobile web pages is painfully tedious.

I own a netbook and an iPod touch. The touch sits in a drawer. I prefer my click wheel iPod for listening to music and my netbook for internet access.

If Apple made a larger version of the iPod touch or iPhone, it would still have a hunt and peck visual keyboard; useless for any real typing.

A netbook from Apple would be great, but they'll never do it; certainly not for less than $1000.
post #85 of 256
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Originally Posted by iDave View Post

No, it's not a netbook. I can't type on an iPod touch, except with one or two fingers, very slowly, making plenty of mistakes. And viewing non-mobile web pages is painfully tedious.

I own a netbook and an iPod touch. The touch sits in a drawer. I prefer my click wheel iPod for listening to music and my netbook for internet access.

If Apple made a larger version of the iPod touch or iPhone, it would still have a hunt and peck visual keyboard; useless for any real typing.

A netbook from Apple would be great, but they'll never do it; certainly not for less than $1000.

Each class of computer has its pros and cons. I prefer my iPhone for email and web browsing over my netbook. My netbook is for writing excessively when traveling light.
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post #86 of 256
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Originally Posted by t0x View Post

Yes, poor quality. Look at the display on the Macbook. For a $1300+ machine, it's utter garbage. Also, I'm not impressed with the metal unibody. It dents easily and hinders wifi reception. Let's not get into the widespread problems the plastic Macbooks had with their cases.

Sure, there are always lemons in the batch, but Apple has been increasingly cutting corners while maintaining their unwarranted premium pricing.

I wanted to buy a new Macbook, but after seeing it in person, I couldn't justify throwing away $1300 on something that had a display worse than other displays I've seen in less expensive (or better spec'ed) notebooks.

The sad truth of the matter is that lots of people already have OS X running on various netbooks (albeit not without some hacks), so unless Apple whips up something that will excite both the fanboys and new Apple buyers, I'd say they're going to miss the bus with this one.

But like Steve said, he'd rather people buy and iPhone/iPod touch, anyway, than have to sell a low-cost netbook.

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Originally Posted by Adjei View Post

Their products are garbage but yet they have the highest consumer satisfaction rates, right.

I agree on the display for the new MacBook. I also thought it would be much better than it is. It's better than the one for the previous generation of MacBook, but not what I'd expect from a computer at the price it currently has.
post #87 of 256
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Originally Posted by t0x View Post

Yeah, I just love doing my web surfing on a 3.5" screen with no physical keyboard

You do realize that the iPod touch is nowhere near as fully featured as a netbook, right?

I use my netbook as my primary computer. If I had a touch instead, what would I use to sync it? Oh, right, I'd have to buy a real computer for the touch to be at all usable.

i' curious what your 'non-primary' computer is if you use your netbook that exclusively and how heavily you use your primary machine. what application could you not live without? i'm guessing you're not running photoshop on it...
post #88 of 256
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Originally Posted by zunx View Post

WE NEED THOUSANDS for our University:

...snip...

Something like this:

OQO model 02
OQO model e2
http://www.oqo.com

...snip...

i wonder what the outcry would be if apple were to release something with those specs at that price point. i imagine the howl of outrage would be deafening...

if the argument is: we need something cheap and portable, the oqo (cute as it is) with a price of $1300 - $2700 is hardly a good example and might just strengthen the 'we can't deliver a cheap quality product' side.

this device seems to be aimed at the macbook air crowd, and i'm not sure it wins that fight either. i'd rather have a full size keyboard and a full size screen if i spend that kind of money.

the oqo has been around for a while if i remember correctly. is it selling? does it make money? have you seen one in the wild? just curious...
post #89 of 256
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Originally Posted by Tofino View Post

i' curious what your 'non-primary' computer is if you use your netbook that exclusively and how heavily you use your primary machine. what application could you not live without? i'm guessing you're not running photoshop on it...

Well it is the cheapest Apple laptop, hence the cheapest screen and there is nothing wrong with the screen, people just choose to make a big deal out of it.
post #90 of 256
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

First and foremost AIR is a conceptual mistake coupled to some poor engineering. AIR is not a netbook and never has been. Steve has as much as admitted that this is the case considering his public comments on netbooks. Apple simply isn't playing in the netbook market right now.



Because AIR simply doesn't play in the market we are talking about here. No matter whose vision you follow here ( iPhone on steroids, a tablet Mac or a netbook), we are not taliking about anything being close to AIR in size.

Dave

Regardless, you will never see a $400, $600 or even $800 laptop from Apple. They are charging $1800 for the MacBook AIR and it's selling. They aren't going to shrink the screen so they can charge less. It's never gonna happen. No netbook from Apple. Ever.

Besides, OS X runs fine on a MSI Wind ($349).
post #91 of 256
the iPhone/iTouch is the netbook you are looking for. I have an iPhone and Asus Eee PC. the iPhone does more out of the box, better, smaller and more portable. You can customize the iPhone/iTouch with the free apps from the AppStore.


Apple totally rethink the way portables work and interface while netbooks are just smaller crappier Windohs. Apple has to change the way the majority thinks about conventional computing.
post #92 of 256
This article made me laugh a little. Consumers don't automatically go for low cost during a recession. They go for whatever has the best benefit/cost ratio within their means. Netbooks do not have the best benefit/cost ratio. Their form factor prevents it from being useful for much more than surfing the internet and online communication, and while that's fine for some people, it's hardly a step up from touch screen handhelds like the iPod touch, which can do the same job while being much smaller. A lower specced notebook with excellent build quality would be a better value, since at least then it could be used for long periods of typing, which is important to far more people than simply being able to access the internet. Netbooks are simply being over hyped by geeks and analysts that know nothing. One of my friends bought an EeePC a few months ago and now it just sits unused next to her iMac and Macbook. Once she got over it's small size, it just became another gadget for random geekery.

Now, in regards to what Apple can do to better satisfy people who want a more portable notebook, the first step would be to get the price of the Macbook Air down. A lot of the expense is from using Intel's low power notebook processors instead of the Atom, which are more expensive than normal notebook processors. An obvious solution would be to use the Atom, which would reduce the price. However, I suspect the best solution may be to build a thin low cost Macbook around ARM processors, which would allow for much better battery life.
post #93 of 256
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Originally Posted by bokuwaomar View Post

Now, in regards to what Apple can do to better satisfy people who want a more portable notebook, the first step would be to get the price of the Macbook Air down.

Don't count on it.
post #94 of 256
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Originally Posted by Adjei View Post

I would also like the doubters to prove that its not selling well.

I'm not the one saying they are selling good or bad, so when someone says they are selling good, I'd like to know what gives him that impression.
post #95 of 256
Sure, I understand that. However, I also understand that Apple isn't going to sell anything that is going to undercut the margins on it's Macbook line. Further, Jobs has gone on the record recently saying Apple could produce a five hundred dollar machine, but it isn't going to because it would be junk.

I have a new Mac book. The thing is 1) small, 2) light, and 3) fully capable. It also sports about as small a screen as I would be willing to have on my main computer. I don't see the point of Apple undercutting the profitable sales of it's Mac book line for a bare bone Mac. It simply isn't going to happen when Apple's computer sales continue to outpace the market.

What I do see Apple doing is building on the iPod Touch to make it a more practical web surfing platform. I say this because there was an article a while back saying the iPod Touch grew out of an Apple tablet prototype meant for surfing the Internet. I can see Apple offering an iPod Touch with a larger screen. Moreover, when you are away from home, I think the current iPod Touch is completely useful for 1) surfing the Internet, and 2) email. I just watched Pixar's Walle on mine.


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Originally Posted by t0x View Post

Yeah, I just love doing my web surfing on a 3.5" screen with no physical keyboard

You do realize that the iPod touch is nowhere near as fully featured as a netbook, right?

I use my netbook as my primary computer. If I had a touch instead, what would I use to sync it? Oh, right, I'd have to buy a real computer for the touch to be at all usable.
post #96 of 256
This is BS. Setting the Glossy versus Matte debate aside, the screen on the new Macbook is probably one of the best screens I have seen on any notebook in this price range. It is brighter then my old iBook and my father's second generation Macbook Pro. Further, if you view the new Macbook Pros and the Macbooks side by side there is barely a concernable difference in screen quality.

Moreover, the metal unibody may dent for some people ( I haven't witnessed it), but it certainly is an improvement over the iBooks and Macbook pros that came before it. The new body is 1) more solid, and 2) leads to more protection of the internal components. The plastic iBooks (the ones with the same design as the old Macbooks) had logic board issues because the case would flex eventually causing the logic board to separate from the board. THis is a much more solid system.


Granted I have family that works for Apple, so I only paid $1, 000 bucks for mine, but, setting the Firewire issue aside, it is the best Mac I have ever owned.

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Originally Posted by t0x View Post

Yes, poor quality. Look at the display on the Macbook. For a $1300+ machine, it's utter garbage. Also, I'm not impressed with the metal unibody. It dents easily and hinders wifi reception. Let's not get into the widespread problems the plastic Macbooks had with their cases.

Sure, there are always lemons in the batch, but Apple has been increasingly cutting corners while maintaining their unwarranted premium pricing.

I wanted to buy a new Macbook, but after seeing it in person, I couldn't justify throwing away $1300 on something that had a display worse than other displays I've seen in less expensive (or better spec'ed) notebooks.

The sad truth of the matter is that lots of people already have OS X running on various netbooks (albeit not without some hacks), so unless Apple whips up something that will excite both the fanboys and new Apple buyers, I'd say they're going to miss the bus with this one.

But like Steve said, he'd rather people buy and iPhone/iPod touch, anyway, than have to sell a low-cost netbook.
post #97 of 256
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Originally Posted by mjteix View Post

Dave... again with the AIR?
The only truth you are saying is that the AIR "is neither a netbook nor a real (full features) laptop". That's right, but why should everything be in a strict category? why should everything be just black or white? The AIR is just another type of computer, either it fits your needs or it doesn't. If it doesn't that doesn't make it a bad product.

************

Back on the subject. I think there is room between the $399 iPod touch and the $999/1299 13" MacBook for a couple of products that would fit the netbook/notebook market before Apple can release a full Mac OS X tablet (or something like that).

1- MacBook mini (10-11") based on the 13" MacBook motherboard, still with a full keyboard (enclosure cut as close to the keys as possible (11.0-11.5" wide), 7.0-7.5" depth, no optical drive. Could use the MBA external ODD.

When the 13" MacBook is updated to 2.26/2.53GHz cpus or better (spring 2009), this MacBook mini could receive the leftovers (2.0/2.4GHz cpus). Apple could probably price those at $899-1099 and keep the 13" MacBook at $1299/1599.

Apply a modern Apple look on the Isamu Sanada mock-up below (image on the left).

Cons: more expensive and bigger than most netbooks, small trackpad
Pros: more powerful than any netbook, standard OS, standard apps

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2- Bigger iPod touch (7" or so, 1024x600?), the best prototype mock-up I've seen so far, was from MacLife (image on the right):

Like 3 iPod touch side by side, it would do everything the iPod touch does + displays up to three apps at the same time + the dock (with alerts, email, etc...), stand-alone + sync with your Mac and/or your iPhone/iPod.

Additional apps: "Finder" + QuickLook so you can display almost anykind of file, Wifi software updates (no Mac needed). Some apps could be expanded to full screen (email, video, calendar, etc...)

Additional hardware: Bluetooth/USB for an external keyboard (or an integrated mini-keyboard that mimics the virtual keyboard of the iPod touch), video out. Stereo speakers, mic, iSight. It would probably need a multicore ARM cpu and better graphics GPU than the current iPod touch for all that (Summer 2009).

For storage, it could have the 1.8" 120GB HDD or SSD. Probably two models at $599/799. The prototype shows a rigid design, but I think it could be a folded one with 4 positions: closed, notebook, kiosk (as shown), tablet.

Cons: not really a "computer", not much editing capabilities
Pros: smaller than most netbooks (better autonomy), can be used by a larger audience (a real consumer product)

So, IMO, here are the possible $599 "netbook" and $899 notebook, "analysts" are dreaming/talking about...

These mockups have a pension for obsessing over handheld tablets ala Star Trek, but always with an overtly sexual fetish; hence the holographic image of a woman emitting forth from the Apple logo.

And we wonder how come Photoshop designs always belie reality.
post #98 of 256
Great price!
post #99 of 256
Apple will not make a video iPod. Nobody wants to watch video on an iPod.

Apple will not make a cell phone.

Apple will never switch to Intel processors.
post #100 of 256
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Originally Posted by mjteix View Post


Off topic but seeing this picture I got all excited. That thing would fit nicely into my living room. No need for much processing power. I am thinking of a touchscreen iTunes client. Wireless, of course. Great if it can access an iPhoto library and also if it could handle normal osx widgets such as weather. But essentially it should be a cheap control console. I'd buy one anyway.
post #101 of 256
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Originally Posted by robogobo View Post

bullshit. Why is the bezel on the MBA larger than any of the other portables? The larger footprint is a direct result of the thinness, because you have to pack a big processor in there. The MBA processor is a very capable one, only slowed down by memory and bus limitations. It's nowhere near a netbook (not that I want it to be). But a 13" screen with the same footprint as a 15" MBP is pretty lame. Why this obsession with thin? The 12" powerbook was the perfect size footprint, and it could be made much thinner with today's components, while still maintaining a full keyboard and "comfortable" input. The MBA was the ultimate of compromises, and it failed miserably. If it hadn't, you would've heard the 'netbook crowd hush up as they flocked toward it. That didn't happen.

Can I have a show of hands of those who care more about footprint than thinness?

yes, I agree, I prefer a smaller footprint more than ultimate thinness... granted, I still like thinness but for me, the perfect laptop is between 10" - 12" screen, preferable 10 - 11" really. I love the HP mini 1000 netbook but it fails on it's features badly compared to an Acer AspireOne however the AspireOne's screen size is 8.9" which is too small. Wish Apple would come out with something like that size. I had high hopes on the Air but it's just not for me at that price. The most attractive thing about a netbook is the fact that is portable at a great low price.... not $1700... ouch!!
post #102 of 256
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

These mockups have a pension for obsessing over handheld tablets ala Star Trek, but always with an overtly sexual fetish; hence the holographic image of a woman emitting forth from the Apple logo.

And we wonder how come Photoshop designs always belie reality.

If Apple really made that mockup of the ibook you have there, I'd totally buy it... but I need at least 3 USB ports on it and a NIC port......pleeeezzee
post #103 of 256
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Originally Posted by mjteix View Post

I think there is room between the $399 iPod touch and the $999/1299 13" MacBook for a couple of products that would fit the netbook/notebook market before Apple can release a full Mac OS X tablet (or something like that).

1- MacBook mini (10-11") based on the 13" MacBook motherboard, still with a full keyboard (enclosure cut as close to the keys as possible (11.0-11.5" wide), 7.0-7.5" depth, no optical drive. Could use the MBA external ODD.

When the 13" MacBook is updated to 2.26/2.53GHz cpus or better (spring 2009), this MacBook mini could receive the leftovers (2.0/2.4GHz cpus). Apple could probably price those at $899-1099 and keep the 13" MacBook at $1299/1599.

Apply a modern Apple look on the Isamu Sanada mock-up below (image on the left).

Cons: more expensive and bigger than most netbooks, small trackpad
Pros: more powerful than any netbook, standard OS, standard apps

.

More expensive and bigger is fine. It wouldn't be much bigger than the NEC MobilePro 750c. I used to have one. It was useful and small and light enough to always carry in my bag, every day, night and day. People would be willing to pay $600 or so for an Apple netbook because they know Macs are worth it. Don't need the small trackpad, though. Apple has MultiTouch touchscreen technology now. Even the MobilePro had a touchscreen with a stylus, and that was years ago. And before anyone starts whining, "I don't want to see fingerprints on my screen!" remember that millions of people are already doing just that with their iPhones. Although I actually would prefer a separate pointing device. I don't like fingers blocking my view.

I usually got at least 8 hours of use out of that MobilePro on each charge. No way any Macbook is matching that. And like the reviewer above wrote, I could easily touchtype without looking even though the keyboard was slightly smaller than normal. It wouldn't be new for Apple. The Powerbook 2400 had a smaller keyboard.

That concept above would be even better if they borrowed a page from Windows (about time Apple swiped an idea from them) and put a small secondary display on the outside, along with a clickwheel, so it could work as an iPod when it's closed.

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Originally Posted by TBell View Post

I have a new Mac book. The thing is 1) small, 2) light, and 3) fully capable. It also sports about as small a screen as I would be willing to have on my main computer.

Why would anybody even consider a netbook for a "main computer"? It's a portable supplement, not a desktop replacement. A Macbook is small and light? You've never handled a true subnotebook, obviously. Nor do you have to haul your laptop around all day.

And yes, there are plenty of more things one would be able to do with a netbook that you can't do with a souped-up iPhone. Road warriors need a machine to type up reports, tweak presentations and write full emails rather than just single-sentence messages closer to IMs. Not to mention a plethora of features that Apple doesn't provide on the iPhone and doesn't seem to be in a hurry to bring, like cut & paste and Flash support. But they don't need a full-blown laptop to do video editing or Photoshop work.
post #104 of 256
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Originally Posted by zunx View Post

WE NEED THOUSANDS for our University:

- Light (about 300 to 400 g). The MacBook Air is too heavy for us!
- Small (pocketable; about 5-inch screen or so). The MacBook Air is too large for us!
- Full and genuine and native Mac OS X 10.5.5 inside (not just OS X)
- VGA port out to connect to videoprojectors for videopresentations.
- FireWire for Target Disk Mode repairs and much better file transfer performance.
- Touch screen.
- Tablet form factor.
- Pricing is NOT an issue.

Because we do NOT want it for heavy work. We want to use it as the ultimate presentation remote for both wired (VGA port) and full blown (transtions, animations, video, etc) wireless presentations, using NATIVE Apple Keynote and Microsoft PowerPoint files (NOT exported slideshows or exported video streams from them!) on videoprojectors. Much as can be done with laptops, but carrying it in your pocket!

Something like this:

OQO model 02
OQO model e2
http://www.oqo.com

Or even better from Apple (see first picture):

Next Apple moves will be Books and Games
http://spidouz.wordpress.com/2008/09...ooks-and-games

So...

1. Make the presentation on your Mac.
2. Save it to the pocketable Mac.
3. Carry only the pocketble Mac to the lecturing room, meetin room, etc.
4. Use only the pocketable Mac for the full-blown presentation. Computerless in the sense that no other computer involved.

Can Apple deliver or should we keep on using something like this?

Now OQO is the smallest MAC in the World...Instructions Complete on page 9
http://www.oqotalk.com/index.php/topic,2672.0.html

Re: Now OQO is the smallest MAC in the World...Instructions complete!
http://www.oqotalk.com/index.php/top....html#msg19574

HOPEFULLY APPLE WILL DO IT. BECAUSE WE NEED THOUSANDS NOW!

A $600 netbook! Surely this is a joke. The market is moving toward a $250-$300 (2009 spec) netbook in the 8" to 10" screen size running Linux (most likely a slimmed down Ubuntu). Ones running Windows will be slightly more.

Not only that, but there is a MID spec which is coming together which is to be in between size of a "smart phone" and a netbook.

Apple would probably screw it up anyway.
post #105 of 256
I trust whatever Steve decides to do.

"He's a genius. He's like a god who knows what we want!"

http://www.hulu.com/watch/46751/the-...bs#x-4,vclip,1
post #106 of 256
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Originally Posted by MacTel View Post

Mac Mini? Though it hasn't been updated for over a year and is pretty crappy specs-wise.

Well you are correct that it hasn't been updated. But, it is hardly crappy. It's probably the best computer Apple makes. Makes use of your HDTV, fast enough for most tasks, small, quiet, lot's of expansion capability. The Dell Studio is similar but has HDMI.

The Mini could do with HDMI and an easier way to expand RAM. But even as is it's a great system.

philip
post #107 of 256
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Originally Posted by TBell View Post

Granted I have family that works for Apple, so I only paid $1, 000 bucks for mine, but, setting the Firewire issue aside, it is the best Mac I have ever owned.

The MacBook is really nice. I don't personally "believe" in laptops, but if one must have a portable typewriter and communication device then the MacBook is a great choice. In fact, for most people it is probably the best computer to buy.

It's not clear what is to become of desktops so it's hard to compare things with the Mac Pro and iMac in mind. If you throw those out for the moment then it seems to me that the Mac Mini and iPhone/iTouch are the only products that make sense. The $600 notebook is a waste of time (I have an EEPC and it's gathering dust). An upgraded Mini takes care of what to do with that big HDTV, other than TV, ( which I don't feel the Apple TV does) and it can double as a general purpose computer (no games which are best left to dedicated gaming systems).

The iPhone or something like it is really what you want for most of the netbook tasks. The issue of the typewriter seems to be important. If typing is important then the netbooks will be important. My preference is for handwriting (not recognition to turn it into type) and hence Tablet PC's with active diigitizing screens are the way to go. Apple doesn't seem to believe this. They seem to feel that cursive handwriting is on the way out and they may be correct. If they are then they are on the right track. If not then they will regret the lack of attention paid to integrating cursive handwriting into OSX.

The bottom line is that netbooks are a waste of time. A larger screen iTouch would be way better.


philip
post #108 of 256
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Originally Posted by RBR View Post

A $600 netbook! Surely this is a joke. The market is moving toward a $250-$300 (2009 spec) netbook in the 8" to 10" screen size running Linux (most likely a slimmed down Ubuntu). Ones running Windows will be slightly more.

All junk. It's not even worth thinking about.

philip
post #109 of 256
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Originally Posted by lightstriker View Post

the iPhone/iTouch is the netbook you are looking for. I have an iPhone and Asus Eee PC. the iPhone does more out of the box, better, smaller and more portable. You can customize the iPhone/iTouch with the free apps from the AppStore.


Apple totally rethink the way portables work and interface while netbooks are just smaller crappier Windohs. Apple has to change the way the majority thinks about conventional computing.

I agree completely, almost. I also have both and the iPhone is far better for me. My Asus basically gathers dust.

I have standardized on iPhone's/iTouch's, 3 Mac Minis and 3 Tablet PC's running Windows. Windows is far superior for people wanting an active digitizing screen input. I couldn't imagine ever going back to the typewriter model of a computer. Too bad it's not OSX, but Apple seems to believe that handwriting is a thing of the past (and they might be right). For most people a typewriter is just fine (since most don't require anything but ascii notation). On the other hand, cursive handwriting and general hand movement have so many other possibilities....

The iPhone/iTouch is really what Apple should build on when it comes to netbooks.

philip
post #110 of 256
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Originally Posted by t0x View Post

I'm a netbook user/fan.

Netbooks ARE popular. <snip>
I like OS X, but what sort of netbook can Apple offer for $599?<snip>
Steve says that Apple doesn't know how to make a notebook for $500 that isn't a piece of junk. The truth of the matter is that Apple simply doesn't want to lower its margins.

Yes - make a cheap laptop and it'll be cheap. But aim MUCH lower and build up and they can do something great. Make it capable of far less but do it well.

There's enough profit/margin on the iPod Touch.

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Originally Posted by desides View Post

Am I the only person getting tired of netbooks? Fine, they make ultraportable notebooks intended solely for browsing the Internet and responding to email. Great! Why do we keep hearing about how great they are? They're narrow-use products.

Absolutely. And they should be thought of that way.

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Originally Posted by ipodrulz View Post

anything below 900$. It just makes the Apple brand look cheap, and crappy.

The iPhone doesn't look cheap. Nor do the iPods.

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Originally Posted by mjteix View Post

1- MacBook mini (10-11") based on the 13" MacBook motherboard, still with a full keyboard (enclosure cut as close to the keys as possible (11.0-11.5" wide), 7.0-7.5" depth, no optical drive. Could use the MBA external ODD.
<snip>
2- Bigger iPod touch (7" or so, 1024x600?)

If Apple makes it LOOK like a MacBook Air, 10" screen, but have the internals of an iPhone - they could do it inexpensively and maintain quality.

iPhone OS, ARM chip, internet connection. iPhone apps.
Plus Pages & Quickview - and some really good sync of documents.
post #111 of 256
Amazon's current notebook bestseller list:

1. Aspire One blue, $384.99
2. Aspire One black, $385.82
3. Aspire One white, $ 388.99
4. Aspire One pink, $ 349.99
5. One Laptop per Child XO (Give a Laptop, Get a Laptop) $399.00
6. Samsung NC10, $482.99
7. Asus eeePC 904, $384.95
8. Asus eeePC 900, $329.99
9. Apple Macbook 2.0 Alu, $1268.98
10. Acer Aspire One , 6-cell, pink, $399.00
The next real notebook:
15. Toshiba Satellite L305, $599.99

Out of curiosity I've been checking the Amazon notebook bestsellers from time to time during the last two months. Always the same picture: 8-9 netbooks and one or two Macbooks in the top ten!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers...f=pd_ts_pc_nav

Imagine Apple had a $700 10" or $800 11" netbook in their program and guess who would lead this list then?

Netbooks are mainly secondary computers. They would sell iMacs, Macbook and Macbook Pros like hot cakes to switchers who got hooked to OSX via affordable Mac netbooks. That's where Apple's real profit lies in the long run.

No matter what Jobs said two months ago, market trends and recession will force Apple to jump on the netbook bandwagon rather sooner than later.
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This is simple.
Just sell the Air at $599 and you're good to go.
The Air shouldn't be a luxurious choice, it should be marketed as Apple's smallest and weakest entry model. I guess the Air was a pioneer trying out a number of new technologies, but now that it's been proven to work, just ramp the production and lower the price. There's really no point in the Air being one of Apple's most expensive computers. It's not good for anyone.
post #113 of 256
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Originally Posted by Tofino View Post

if the argument is: we need something cheap and portable, the oqo (cute as it is) with a price of $1300 - $2700 is hardly a good example and might just strengthen the 'we can't deliver a cheap quality product' side.

You can get an OQO for $700 - $800.
post #114 of 256
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This is simple.
Just sell the Air at $599 and you're good to go.
The Air shouldn't be a luxurious choice, it should be marketed as Apple's smallest and weakest entry model.

It's a real shame that so MANY people don't see that it's expensive to make things smaller. They see that the speed of the product affects the price, but think Apple just decide to charge triple for fun.

I am not wanting to target you specifically palegolas but really Apple can't just sell it for $600. I can understand that you might not value light and thin yourself (I personally would not spend the extra either) but it is much more of a challenge to create... and those that DO value it can pay extra to have the light/thin option.

ps. It IS cheaper to simply remove a DVD burner. I'd like to see a MacBook that doesn't squeeze every aspect to be smaller but removes the DVD burner (making it slightly smaller as a result) and leaves everything else similarly sized. It might even be $15 cheaper than a regular MacBook
post #115 of 256
The Air has been the target of lots of fussing, almost entirely by people who don't own one and who can't conceive of why someone would. Either out of envy or what have you (the price point does put it out of reach of many possible buyers), they love to attack it. There was a thread earlier this year that went on and on about how bad it was. In the mean time, I bought one and put it to use; it paid for itself within two months and continues to work wonders.

The difference in weight alone b/w my Air and my wife's MacBook (not to mention my MacBook Pro) is worth the extra cost. Add to that the savings in space occupied in my bag and I now can carry a full-sized Wacom tablet instead of the tiny one on days when I plan to do heavy artwork (which is regular and yes, the Air handles it very capably).

The rantings against the Air almost reached an insulting level at one point; it really was quite ridiculous.

The MBA serves a particular market, has given Apple sufficient cash flow to more than pay for itself as a project, and performs many important tasks for the people who own it.

 

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post #116 of 256
I would imagine that Apple would make a netbook that is more iPhone than Macbook. For example, an Apple Netbook would probably have the ability to use any of the apps in the AppStore. How those apps would run on a larger screen is another question, but perhaps the OpenGL software would just scale them.

Or Apple could just open a new AppStore for larger-format applications.

Given a touchscreen keyboard and real Safari (to run Flash), and with access to the AppStore and iTunes, I think there is a real place in Apple's lineup for such a product.
post #117 of 256
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The Air has been the target of lots of fussing, almost entirely by people who don't own one and who can't conceive of why someone would. Either out of envy or what have you (the price point does put it out of reach of many possible buyers), they love to attack it. There was a thread earlier this year that went on and on about how bad it was. In the mean time, I bought one and put it to use; it paid for itself within two months and continues to work wonders.

How exactly did the MBA pay for itself in 2 months for you? IOW, there is no other machine that could have done the same but at a cheaper cost to you?
post #118 of 256
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Given that the MacBook Air is Apple's idea of a 'netbook', my guess is we're more likely to see a touch based Tablet instead. Something in the 6x8 inch size.

It's a natural extension and would further build on the touch interface of both iPhone and multi-touch gestures of the MacBooks.

Going this route would go counter to simply miniaturizing laptops as current netbooks are. By going 'touch', this perceived premium will allow Apple to charge more in the $600-$800 range.

Yes. Expanding the 'iPod/iPhone' touch computing platform. I can see that happening. Add your own k/b...or use the built in multi-touch one.

I think this would be huge and make the netbooks look like the cheap 20Century tech' they are.

That said, I could see Apple doing a great Netbook ala the mock up above. However, I somehow...can't quite see them doing that. It's not bold enough. It's them doing 'me too.' 6x8 inches. Multi-touch. I think that's the way it's going. And it fits tween the iPhone/iPod touch and low end Macbook.

And. It'll blow the netbooks away. I can see the appeal of the netbooks. Cheap internet devices with a k/b. I think a touch tablet is the way to go, though...

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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post #119 of 256
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All junk. It's not even worth thinking about.

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What's junk is the iPhone. The most accurate review I have seen of it began by saying it is "flawed at its core". It is. GPS is a joke. Safari is not much better. It does NOT give you "all the web". There are so many web sites that use flash that Safari on the iPhone is nearly useless. The screen is so small that reading things is not at all easy. It is intentionally crippled in so many ways that it is not worth discussing. (Have you guessed that I gave it back?)

That is why the MID and netbook will succeed despite your desire not to think about them. AT&T is reported to be looking for an open source OS to standardize the smart phone market for the purpose of introducing lower cost handsets. Their core business is selling their services. Selling handsets is merely a means to access them.
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Each class of computer has its pros and cons. I prefer my iPhone for email and web browsing over my netbook. My netbook is for writing excessively when traveling light.

Exactly, each has its use and place in the market.
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