Originally Posted by TBaggins
That's a simplistic comparison. You're assuming that Nokia is as dysfunctional as Motorola is. While Nokia has made some very boneheaded moves in the US market, worldwide and overall they are not in Moto's league when it comes to dumb. That's very hard to do, actually.
Simplistic only if you are trying very hard to not see the truth here. Nokia is on the way down, They have nothing to compete. When will they? No one knows. They said that they were cutting back on R&D because of the recession. Great idea!
They are pulling out of Japan.
They are in serious trouble, and they know it, even if you don't.
Actually, it does. Economies of scale, mindshare, and the like.
No it doesn't. I'm surprised you are saying this! It's so obviously untrue!
Where was the mindshare when RIM started? Nowhere! Where was the mindshare for the iPhone? Nowhere!
But, they are kicking Nokia's ass pretty good. Apple is doing it better than RIM.
The mindshare of Nokia's smartphones right now is that they suck, and that there's no good reason to buy them.
I remember that Aegisdesign was saying that the iPhone would have a real hard time once in Nokia's markets, but he was wrong. It's doing very well, and it's Nokia in Nokia's markets that's dying.
A year ago, they had 48%. Both RIM and Apple have significantly improved smartphone marketshare at the expense of Nokia and others.[/quote]
Six months ago they had 48%. A year ago it was considerably higher.
Sure... until they figure it out. And their size and resources buy them the time to figure it out.
Sure they will. They've had plenty of time to come up with something viable, but all they could do is the not so well received N97, or what ever the number is.
I wouldn't count Nokia out, worldwide anyway. They are the 800-lb gorilla in the room. And they have some advantages over the other players, such as their cost structure/supply chain and some pretty fierce Euro customer loyalty.[/quote]
They will definitely be the king of the cheap, or free phones for quite some while, until Apple decides to move there too.
Do I like Apple's (and RIM's) approach better? Yes. But I don't take the competition lightly.
I don't take them lightly, just not as seriously as I would have earlier this year, before Apple movd into their markets, and began to push them out.
It takes some time to come up with a good competitor tosomething as different as an iPhone. Look at how some more nimble competitors have fumbled.
Withe the new technology Apple is beginning to own, or have exclusives on, it will be farmore difficult to catch up with what they are doing.
The hardware will bee much better, and so will the software.
With business moving to the iPhone much more than expected, and more business software coming out for it, including some heavy hitters, its moving into business in a big way.
Competitors are going to have to look at a phone which meets the needs of several market at once, which none of theirs do.
That will be very difficult to do.
It will also be difficult to meet the expectations for some application store that Apple has set.
We may see a vastly improved iPhone come the ADC mid 2009. If Nokia and others are chasing the current model, and haven't come close, what will they do when the next one arrives with exclusive technologies, and much higher performance, allowing software that is well beyond anything they can hope to offer?
I'm convinced that Apple will be moving further ahead. If these others aren't careful, and it may not matter what they do, the iPhone may enter into the iPod situation vs competitors.