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post #81 of 218
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Originally Posted by MacTel View Post

The cloners are circling Apple's wagon. I don't believe Apple will be able to fend them all off and will eventually have to give in. They may be forced to give in.

The only way that Apple will be forced to give in is if the courts declare that they do not have the legal right to restrict use of the MacOS software to machines created by themselves.

Because so long as Apple has that right then they can at least attempt to declare any software or device that allows a machine not made by Apple to use the OS to be a violation of copyright under prohibitions created by the DMCA

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post #82 of 218
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

Uh, pretty much anything can be fought in court. Hopefully most issues never actually get to court but are dropped or settled long before then.
I would argue that EFi-X might well be legally challenged by Apple and shutdown on grounds that their dongle assists people in the commission of a crime (copyright infringement).


Of course you know that doesn't mean they were legal.

Wrong! Apple cannot serve a cease and desist to websites that unlock or jailbreak iPhones either. Neither can satellite TV companies send a cease and desist to units that capture their signal and decode it, all those cases were tried and lost.
Saying that EFi-X assists people in committing crime is the same as saying knives, and forks assist people in committing crimes.
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post #83 of 218
I researched building a Hackintosh a few months back and every path I took was missing a single item. Just that alone would keep me from recommending a build or 3rd party Mac to anyone, the worry of it all keeps me from having the complete experience. Will it upgrade, what if it breaks, what part of the system or next upgrade won't work, etc.

I know these are questions that all mac users have, but I feel better knowing I can call and get support for the issue.
post #84 of 218
APPLE, GET THE MESSAGE!

A powerful, yet headless Mac is needed!

When will release Apple a miniTOWER??
post #85 of 218
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Originally Posted by dr_lha View Post

I have a Mac at home that started of at Jaguar (10.2) and is now running Leopard (10.5). Imagine how many people would be pissed off if a Mac they bought today couldn't run 10.7?


more like how many folks that have a g4/g5 are going to be pissed when they find out that snow leopard only runs on intel processors. cause I am hearing that that is going to be the case.

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post #86 of 218
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Originally Posted by GMHut View Post

. . . is to just go ahead and make the computer that clone makers are offering themselves. Apple doesn't make a computer that fits the target market that so many Mac users are clammering for so clone makers are trying to fill the obvious gaping void in the Apple product line.


that target audience is very small compared to all the folks that have bought what is being offered without complaint.

so what is apple going to do, cheapen things to fit maybe 5% of their market, or spend their time and money on improving things for the other 95%.

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post #87 of 218
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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

that target audience is very small compared to all the folks that have bought what is being offered without complaint.

so what is apple going to do, cheapen things to fit maybe 5% of their market, or spend their time and money on improving things for the other 95%.

Your numbers have no basis and are nothing but a (poor) assumption.

People have been wanting a mid-range headless desktop since Apple stopped making them, the AI forums have been proof of this(for about 9-10 years now). I think now if anytime there is more and more of a need for this since there are other people trying to capitalize on Apple's oversight of not offering a headless mid-range Mac.

Seriously, a mid-tower that is lighter and smaller than the Mac Pro. Hell even one optical drive, one or two PCIe slots, one PCI Express 2.0 x16 and then PCI Express x1 (even to limit people from installing SLI / CrossFire setups), two HD bays then the standards ports and we're good. I would easily pay a $200 - 300 premium for an apple offering over a hackintosh equivalent.
post #88 of 218
With just a few additions to the lineup, and upgrading their current models in a timely fashion, Apple could probably be putting all those wannabe clone makers out of business. And with a few additions, I'm not saying becoming Dell or HP:

DESKTOP
- update the Mac mini to current cpus/chipset ($599 and up)
- update the iMac to LED-BL displays and 65W quad-core cpus ($1299 and up)
- Mac Pro in two REAL versions: uniprocessor (Core i7/X58) starting at $1299/1499, dual-processor (Xeons/Tylersburg) starting at $2999 (or so)

NOTEBOOKS
- netbook running on ARM or Atom (whatever suits Apple the best) $599/799
- smaller MacBook to replace the $999 white MacBook at $899/1099, 11-12" display
- continue to give the 13" MacBook good features (and a 1440*900 display?) $1299 and up
- keep updating the MBA to faster cpus as they are released by intel (2.00GHz in Q2/Q3 2009), lower the price whenever possible
- move the 15" MBP to 1680*1050 display, speebump, $1999 and up
- release the unibody 17" MBP with a 1920*1200 display, speedbump

That's just one new desktop platform and two new notebook form factors.

Desktops will go from $599 (dual-core/2 threads @ 2.00GHz) to about $4999 (dual-quad core/16 threads @ 3.20GHz). With a steady increase in performance: DC/2 threads, QC/4threads, QC/8 threads, 2xQC/16 threads).

Notebooks will go from (probably) $599/7" display to $2799/17" display (up to about 3.0GHz in 2009). With a steady increase in performance and screen size: 7"/9" - 11" - 13" - 15" - 17".

Most of these suggestions are already planned (or should be for 2009), the few novelties shouldn't be too much of a threat to other products and, anyway, it is better to cannibalise ones own products than to get sales stolen by other manufacturers, suppliers, DIYers, used/refurbished, etc... A few additions will not mutate Apple's DNA nor push them in making junk. Expect for the netbooks (that could be part of the iPod lines rather than the Mac lines) all those additions are within Apple's current price scheme/margins.
post #89 of 218
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Originally Posted by Archipellago View Post

yeah i was thinking that thru all 5 iphone 3g replacements.

the apple experience is a joke and a con.

I haven't had to replace any of my Apple products ever. And I've been an Apple user since 1994.

Sorry you're having such bad luck.
post #90 of 218
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Originally Posted by godrifle View Post

...a midrange tower and I *swear* I won't buy a competitor's hardware. I *like* your hardware. I just want something I can upgrade that doesn't cost a bazillion dollars.

Amen, don't call it:
Mac Mini Pro
Mac Pro Mini

Call it 'Mac'

mac mini < iMac < Mac < Mac Pro

Makes sense to me.

-Matt
post #91 of 218
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Originally Posted by MacTel View Post

The cloners are circling Apple's wagon. I don't believe Apple will be able to fend them all off and will eventually have to give in. They may be forced to give in.

You are full of yourself, aren't you? Just because someone makes a product, doesn't mean they have to give it away to everyone for them to use as their own. Get a clue. Apple has the right to hold copyrights on their product and only allow it to be used on their products. That is not illegal, that is not a monopoly.

You don't go car shopping and buy a Toyota and tell them you like their car, but are going to force them to use a Honda engine instead. Get a clue. They can tell you to fuck off and it is not illegal.
post #92 of 218
So now this one company is basically using another company's product without their endorsement? Yeah, they have nothing to worry about in the court system!

What a piece of shit computer. I don't want a computer to look like a refrigerator! They can keep their piece of shit...just like all other Windows PC's.
post #93 of 218
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Originally Posted by hombrephaty View Post

I (and many others) have been clamoring for a lower-cost Mac tower for... oh... only 15 years now.

C'mon, Steve. Don't blow your chance at market share (for the hundredth time)

Where have you been? They had low cost towers, called Power Mac G4's. If you want a piece of shit $500 tower, go buy a Windows PC.

Did you read the article? This POS knock-off hack is $1,899! Is this the "low-cost" tower you are looking for? That is $400 more than the last Power Mac G4, and was the starting price of a Power Mac G5. So your argument is of course pointless. A Mac Pro starts at $2,299. Wow, you are saving a ton of money with this new "low-cost" tower! What a bargain!

Apple is already selling millions of Macs, so Steve knows what people want, and it isn't a low-cost tower.
post #94 of 218
Seems that in the end this is not happening:

efi-x-shuts-down-efi-x-usa-says-it-doesnt-support-mac-clones
post #95 of 218
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Originally Posted by stokessd View Post

I think they already have. Check out the new displayport adapter with it's DRM. What is to stop apple from using that chip as the key to the kingdom? No apple DRM chip, no play. The only wrench in those works, is all the legacy computers that they still support. But that means in 3 years, this problem goes away when support for older models rolls off.


Sheldon

Apple did not put HDCP (DRM) on the DisplayPort. HOLLYWOOD required it since Apple is now selling HD content. HDCP has been required on any digital output (DVI, HDMI, now DisplayPort for computers) since as early as 2003. This is nothing new, this has nothing to do with computers. This is to protect HD content from being copied in the digital form, and HOLLYWOOD doesn't want you to do it.
post #96 of 218
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Originally Posted by bloggerblog View Post

Wrong!

No, you're wrong!
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Saying that EFi-X assists people in committing crime is the same as saying knives, and forks assist people in committing crimes.

That's only because knives and forks have other uses besides committing crimes. The EFi-X dongle would seem to have only one purpose: to assist with copyright infringement.
post #97 of 218
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Originally Posted by CDonG4 View Post

Your numbers have no basis and are nothing but a (poor) assumption.

People have been wanting a mid-range headless desktop since Apple stopped making them, the AI forums have been proof of this(for about 9-10 years now). I think now if anytime there is more and more of a need for this since there are other people trying to capitalize on Apple's oversight of not offering a headless mid-range Mac.

Seriously, a mid-tower that is lighter and smaller than the Mac Pro. Hell even one optical drive, one or two PCIe slots, one PCI Express 2.0 x16 and then PCI Express x1 (even to limit people from installing SLI / CrossFire setups), two HD bays then the standards ports and we're good. I would easily pay a $200 - 300 premium for an apple offering over a hackintosh equivalent.

Right and these posts on these forums probably amount to even less than 5 percent of Apple's customers.
post #98 of 218
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

No, you're wrong!

That's only because knives and forks have other uses besides committing crimes. The EFi-X dongle would seem to have only one purpose: to assist with copyright infringement.

Wrong. EFI-X also allows you to have a graphical boot screen to easily select between multiple OS installs, whether they be Linux, Windows or OS X.
post #99 of 218
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Originally Posted by CDonG4 View Post

Installing OS X on a non Apple machine isn't a copyright infringement to the OS.

Yes, it does violate the copyright if a person doesn't have a license to make such a copy from the copyright holder (Apple) or from a bona fide third party with a license from Apple to sublicense. (Good luck trying to find such a third party).

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It might violate the EULA.

It does violate the EULA.

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However I'm feeling Apple might be pigeonholing themselves in for an antitrust opportunity.

Pfft! There's nothing stopping people from cloning Mac OS X, except for all the elbow grease required, as long as any relevant patents aren't violated in the process. And patents are a government-sanctioned type of "monopoly."
post #100 of 218
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Originally Posted by hillstones View Post

So now this one company is basically using another company's product without their endorsement? Yeah, they have nothing to worry about in the court system!

What a piece of shit computer. I don't want a computer to look like a refrigerator! They can keep their piece of shit...just like all other Windows PC's.

Dude you had me cracking me with your last 2 posts but well said.
post #101 of 218
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Originally Posted by GMHut View Post

. . . is to just go ahead and make the computer that clone makers are offering themselves. Apple doesn't make a computer that fits the target market that so many Mac users are clammering for so clone makers are trying to fill the obvious gaping void in the Apple product line. All Apple has to do is make a headless mini tower with similar specs to the iMac but without as many drive bay and optical bays as the Mac Pro that is user accessible for RAM and video card upgrades, sell it at the price point that EFi-X is shooting for (say, $1500-$1800) then any clone maker would be a moron to try and make a knock offif Apple made the machine I described or similar, no one who wants a Mac would give a clone a second look because all of Apple's bases would be covered by a product line with no holes. Consumers would just get a genuine Apple that suits their needs and their budget.

Wow, you are really clueless! Apple doesn't make a computer that fits the target market? Pull your head out of the sand! Apple has sold more Macs now more than ever in their history! People don't want a piece of shit cheap tower! They are selling iMacs and MacBooks like crazy. I think they found the market. Apple did a headless mini tower, it was called the Power Mac G4 and it was priced $1500 to $1800. It was very popular. Apple also made the Power Mac G4 Cube for $1799. You could upgrade the RAM, hard drive, video card, and optical drive...all the features that you claim you want in a headless Mac...Guess what? It was a failure! And it was at the price point that you claim is reasonable! If you want all the capability of swapping out parts, buy a Mac Pro, it is only $400 more than your $1800 price point.

No one is giving a look to the so-called clones because they are pieces of crap that no one would want in the first place. If you want a cheap computer, go back to using Windows on your cheap Dell or knock-off, because that is apparently what you want, a junk computer.
post #102 of 218
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Originally Posted by mjteix View Post

Seems that in the end this is not happening:

efi-x-shuts-down-efi-x-usa-says-it-doesnt-support-mac-clones

They probably got a call from Apple's lawyers.
post #103 of 218
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Originally Posted by CDonG4 View Post

Wrong. EFI-X also allows you to have a graphical boot screen to easily select between multiple OS installs, whether they be Linux, Windows or OS X.

Then the OS X option only exists for the purpose of committing copyright infringement.
post #104 of 218
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Originally Posted by Adjei View Post

Right and these posts on these forums probably amount to even less than 5 percent of Apple's customers.

Obviously... but its called a sample. Statisticians never get data on the whole of a population, they take a sample size.
post #105 of 218
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Originally Posted by hillstones View Post

Wow, you are really clueless! Apple doesn't make a computer that fits the target market? Pull your head out of the sand! Apple has sold more Macs now more than ever in their history! People don't want a piece of shit cheap tower! They are selling iMacs and MacBooks like crazy. I think they found the market. Apple did a headless mini tower, it was called the Power Mac G4 and it was priced $1500 to $1800. It was very popular. Apple also made the Power Mac G4 Cube for $1799. You could upgrade the RAM, hard drive, video card, and optical drive...all the features that you claim you want in a headless Mac...Guess what? It was a failure! And it was at the price point that you claim is reasonable! If you want all the capability of swapping out parts, buy a Mac Pro, it is only $400 more than your $1800 price point.

No one is giving a look to the so-called clones because they are pieces of crap that no one would want in the first place. If you want a cheap computer, go back to using Windows on your cheap Dell or knock-off, because that is apparently what you want, a junk computer.

This dude is on fire.
post #106 of 218
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

Then the OS X option only exists for the purpose of committing copyright infringement.

You should look up copyright infringement, because it has nothing to do with what EFI-X does.
post #107 of 218
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Originally Posted by hillstones View Post

Wow, you are really clueless! Apple doesn't make a computer that fits the target market? Pull your head out of the sand! Apple has sold more Macs now more than ever in their history! People don't want a piece of shit cheap tower! They are selling iMacs and MacBooks like crazy. I think they found the market. Apple did a headless mini tower, it was called the Power Mac G4 and it was priced $1500 to $1800. It was very popular. Apple also made the Power Mac G4 Cube for $1799. You could upgrade the RAM, hard drive, video card, and optical drive...all the features that you claim you want in a headless Mac...Guess what? It was a failure! And it was at the price point that you claim is reasonable! If you want all the capability of swapping out parts, buy a Mac Pro, it is only $400 more than your $1800 price point.

No one is giving a look to the so-called clones because they are pieces of crap that no one would want in the first place. If you want a cheap computer, go back to using Windows on your cheap Dell or knock-off, because that is apparently what you want, a junk computer.

Dude you really know how to make some Apples taste like Oranges. People don't only want a headless Mac, they want a headless Mac with expandability. The Cube -> Mac Mini.... Power Mac G4 -> Mac Pro. Nothing has changed except the Mac mini is wildly popular.

You know custom boxes as well as Dell's, HP's and the like share many core components that are in current Apple computers.
post #108 of 218
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Originally Posted by CDonG4 View Post

You should look up copyright infringement, because it has nothing to do with what EFI-X does.

My comments have centered around what the dongle facilitates, not what it does.
post #109 of 218
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

My comments have centered around what the dongle facilitates, not what it does.

What it facilitates also has nothing to do with COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT, breaking the EULA maybe if anything.
post #110 of 218
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Originally Posted by ltcommander.data View Post

All this fuss, it makes you wonder why Apple didn't just implement TPM on every Intel Mac and avoid this issue from the beginning.

hmm, I could have sworn that All Intel macs have had a TPM since day one.

"Executive order 66" anyone?

It could all happen with a single update.

I look forward to the grid coming down. Hopefully those with legitimate Macs will be the ones left standing.

What these human rats are doing is ruining things for everybody, tbh.

I'm sure that Apple already has a way to drop the hammer over the net. They are probably waiting for a triggering event, like winning the case against Psystar.

You know, Apple keeps track of each and every serial number going back for YEARS. They could simply send a message to all OSX running computers attached to the internet a simple instruction like "every-time you turn on, search for and activate the TPM, if it isn't present, and you're on Intel hardware, brick yourself"

It makes sense that Apple would be prepared to defend themselves.
post #111 of 218
I would like to see an EFI update that includes a silngle line of encrypted code that is ESSENTIAL for OSX to boot.

Then all these mod-chip pricks can update their code and get ass fucked in court by Apple. Hackers and mod-chip makers have done nothing whatsoever of good for the console industry apart from line their own pockets. Don't let them get a foothold in the Mac market.
post #112 of 218
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

No, you're wrong!

That's only because knives and forks have other uses besides committing crimes. The EFi-X dongle would seem to have only one purpose: to assist with copyright infringement.

There are hardware for sale that allows decrypting Cable, and Satellite signals and they're totally legal, pickup a Make magazine, or a Popular mechanics checkout the back pages.

My question to you would be, why doesn't Apple serve a cease and desist to Hackintosh and get it over with? Certainly if Psystar didn't have Hackintosh they would not be able to sell their system.
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post #113 of 218
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Originally Posted by mjteix View Post

With just a few additions to the lineup, and upgrading their current models in a timely fashion, Apple could probably be putting all those wannabe clone makers out of business. And with a few additions, I'm not saying becoming Dell or HP:

DESKTOP
- update the Mac mini to current cpus/chipset ($599 and up)
- update the iMac to LED-BL displays and 65W quad-core cpus ($1299 and up)
- Mac Pro in two REAL versions: uniprocessor (Core i7/X58) starting at $1299/1499, dual-processor (Xeons/Tylersburg) starting at $2999 (or so)

NOTEBOOKS
- netbook running on ARM or Atom (whatever suits Apple the best) $599/799
- smaller MacBook to replace the $999 white MacBook at $899/1099, 11-12" display
- continue to give the 13" MacBook good features (and a 1440*900 display?) $1299 and up
- keep updating the MBA to faster cpus as they are released by intel (2.00GHz in Q2/Q3 2009), lower the price whenever possible
- move the 15" MBP to 1680*1050 display, speebump, $1999 and up
- release the unibody 17" MBP with a 1920*1200 display, speedbump

That's just one new desktop platform and two new notebook form factors.

Desktops will go from $599 (dual-core/2 threads @ 2.00GHz) to about $4999 (dual-quad core/16 threads @ 3.20GHz). With a steady increase in performance: DC/2 threads, QC/4threads, QC/8 threads, 2xQC/16 threads).

Notebooks will go from (probably) $599/7" display to $2799/17" display (up to about 3.0GHz in 2009). With a steady increase in performance and screen size: 7"/9" - 11" - 13" - 15" - 17".

Most of these suggestions are already planned (or should be for 2009), the few novelties shouldn't be too much of a threat to other products and, anyway, it is better to cannibalise ones own products than to get sales stolen by other manufacturers, suppliers, DIYers, used/refurbished, etc... A few additions will not mutate Apple's DNA nor push them in making junk. Expect for the netbooks (that could be part of the iPod lines rather than the Mac lines) all those additions are within Apple's current price scheme/margins.

What?!

You-are-smoking-CRACK!

For starters, that list has more cannibalism than nest of starving ants.

Look, if they sell a tower for $1200, then what is the incentive to upgrade to the Mac Pro for more than twice as much or buy the iMac for the same price???

These products exist as part of a successful business strategy.

Apple will spend money on making those machines, which are great BTW just to EAT PLASTIC because they have this tower, that they didn't want to make, playing pac-Man with their sales. FAIL

LED in the iMac is fine, that may happen in Jan. But will they meet their pricepoint??

You can FORGET about the netbook. It would cannibalize their product lineup, just like the Tower. Seriously, a $599 Mac notebook? Joe Pinchpenny might love that but Apple's profits would be devastated. And for what? A laptop that isn't nearly as good as the others.

I don't see much of a problem with a smaller Macbook as long as the hardware is still pretty lowball at that price.

1440x900 in a 13" IPS panel LED Backlit display? Maybe. Maybe not. Same goes for the 1680x1050 and so on. you do realize that the higher the resolution, the smaller things will look on your screen right? Also, it would cost more money to make? Does that make good business sense?

Lower the price of the MBA? Nope, look at the competition's pricing for sub-notebooks of that class.
post #114 of 218
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

Now these Hillbillies at Psystar and the young dudes without a clue at EFIFix are f*cking it all up. Literally the only thing they will end up doing is causing everyone a lot more problems.

If I lived in the same town as either of these outfits, I know who'd have paint all over their windows and potatoes stuck in their exhaust pipes in the morning, and as I say that ... I realise that there are a lot of folks out there that feel even stronger about this. I bet someone might even get physically hurt over this before it's all over. I wouldn't put it past someone to burn them down in the night people feel that strongly about it.

You're threatening to vandalize EFI-X and Psystar's property, yet you're calling them hillbillies? Pot, I think think it's about time you were introduced to the kettle. If someone is enough of a Mac fanbot to get physically violent over this, they shouldn't be walking the street. They should be in an institute getting the psychological help they require. And the fact that you seem to be okay with the violence makes me hope you live no where near me.

Maybe we could look at the issue rationally. How many people looking to buy these machines were actually going to purchase a Mac? I'm guessing the percentage is probably pretty small. So, in reality this actually helps Apple in two ways: 1) Apple gets $129 from the sale of a copy of OS X 2) It means one less purchase of Windows.
post #115 of 218
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Originally Posted by caliminius View Post

You're threatening to vandalize EFI-X and Psystar's property, yet you're calling them hillbillies? Pot, I think think it's about time you were introduced to the kettle. If someone is enough of a Mac fanbot to get physically violent over this, they shouldn't be walking the street. They should be in an institute getting the psychological help they require. And the fact that you seem to be okay with the violence makes me hope you live no where near me.

Maybe we could look at the issue rationally. How many people looking to buy these machines were actually going to purchase a Mac? I'm guessing the percentage is probably pretty small. So, in reality this actually helps Apple in two ways: 1) Apple gets $129 from the sale of a copy of OS X 2) It means one less purchase of Windows.

...and all of a sudden it wasn't fun anymore.
post #116 of 218
Bottom line is that it's the OS that makes macs superior to pcs for everything else besides gaming. If Apple lets other computers run the mac software they are in deep trouble. They HAVE to protect it.

The pc market is proof that people are willing to cut corners in performance if they can choose what to cut in order to save money. I can see budget computers being purchased with mac OS selling like candy simply because they are a couple of hundred dollars cheaper.
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Originally Posted by pmjoe View Post

Two DVD writers seems like a bit much for a default configuration.

Region setting is held in the individual drive hardware. Region code can't be changed more than five times.

With two drives you can have for example one set to 1 (US and Canada) and the other 2 (Western Europe, Japan).

Film aficionados will like, as with the Mac Pro.
post #118 of 218
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Originally Posted by Liquidmark View Post


Look, if they sell a tower for $1200, then what is the incentive to upgrade to the Mac Pro for more than twice as much or buy the iMac for the same price???

These products exist as part of a successful business strategy.

Pure bullshit, spread by fanbois over the years. If both the iMac and the dual MP are truly Apple's flagships and the best in the business, they (you) shouldn't be afraid of a dull tower with a single quad-core cpu. If it is the case, that means that both products have been poorly designed/priced, they can't withstand a little competition.

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LED in the iMac is fine, that may happen in Jan. But will they meet their pricepoint??

Would you please take the time to read every detail: LED-BL on the iMac + the less expensive desktop 65W cpus. While it doesn't change much on the low end, the savings on the high-end are huge, thus making the cost of LED-BL irrelevant.

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You can FORGET about the netbook. It would cannibalize their product lineup, just like the Tower. Seriously, a $599 Mac notebook? Joe Pinchpenny might love that but Apple's profits would be devastated. And for what? A laptop that isn't nearly as good as the others.

Again, you should read every detail instead of just the first word of each sentence. A "netbook" based on the ARM chips and running the iPhone/iPod touch OS is no threat to the other Mac OS X notebooks. If it is, then Mac OS X has a problem.

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Lower the price of the MBA? Nope, look at the competition's pricing for sub-notebooks of that class.

I don't care about the competition. When Apple charges $200 for the 1.86GHz cpu that cost just $32 more than the 1.60GHz one in bulk, I think there is room for price cuts. Also SSD drives are getting cheaper every week (if not day). +$700 for a 128GB SDD with middle of the road performance is pushing it hard down the consumer throat. And I'm a fan of the MBA.

Pipe is finished. You can go back to your full-size barbie doll with Apple's socks.
post #119 of 218
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Originally Posted by mclarenf1 View Post

How many of you wanna bet they jump from Intel in the next year or so and make their own chips? Seems like the sure way to close the open door in Apple's Eco System. They have the cash to do it and now with Semi they have some pretty slick engineers on board. Once they make their own chips, it's all over for these pirates.

Apple did not acquire PA Semi to create PPC CPUs for Macs, thay acquired PA Semi to design chips for mobile devices. Besides which, Apple loves Intel chips, Intel loves Apple and Boot Camp is such a big selling point it's unbelievable. Even Paul Thurrott usies a Mac, thanks to Boot Camp. Intel's Core2 line (And it's younger sibling Core i7) are the Mac CPU roadmap as it stands for the foreseeable future.

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Amen, don't call it:
Mac Mini Pro
Mac Pro Mini

Call it 'Mac'

mac mini < iMac < Mac < Mac Pro

Makes sense to me.

-Matt

It might make sense to you, but if you call it Mac (Which you would not since it's headless and Mac(intosh) has a builtin display, it would fit like this:

Mac mini, Mac, iMac, Mac Pro

And I'll show you why that's the case:
Entry, Consumer, Style, Professional
Mac mini, (GAP), iMac, Mac Pro
MacBook White, MacBook, MacBook Air, MacBook Pro

Don't be surprised if it does appear, and be less surprised if it's a Cube.

I'm not joking, it's probably a Cube.

MacBook Pro 15" | Intel Core2 Duo 2.66GHz | 320GB HDD | OS X v10.9
Black/Space Grey iPad Air with Wi-Fi & LTE | 128GB | On 4GEE
White iPhone 5 | 64GB | On 3UK

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MacBook Pro 15" | Intel Core2 Duo 2.66GHz | 320GB HDD | OS X v10.9
Black/Space Grey iPad Air with Wi-Fi & LTE | 128GB | On 4GEE
White iPhone 5 | 64GB | On 3UK

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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

Yeah, this is what really pisses me off about the whole thing.

It's so nice to live in the Apple world and not have to worry about junk like that, well except for FileMaker. (shakes fist in the air and curses FileMaker)

Or Aperture. Or iWork. Or Final Cut Pro. Or Logic.


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