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On top of that, the slide said 14+ months from the release of Leopard. The slide showed a 10/2007 Leopard drop date, which would place a 14+ month Snow Leopard drop date at Feb/Mar 2009.

Dude for all you know that could have been a mistake, watch when March comes and people will be complaining that Snow Leopard is late even though no one has officially stated that is the date to look forward to it.
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Oh, for gopod's sake, are you now posting here as well? Go away.

The guy has been posting all over the internet with the same message, do some people have a life?
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I see the Microsoft-sponsored trolls are out in full force nowadays.

Sounds more like the ranting of someone fired for incompetence or, more likely, not even hired by Apple. Rather than acknowledge any possible personal shortcomings (including mental health issues), he tries to demonstrate both his moral and technical superiority compared to us computer illiterates.
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Seems that the troll has issues with Apple, He just can not stand to see a competitor succeed as well as Apple has against microdoze.

I sure hopes that Snow Leopard is as good as it sounds right now, I would be more then willing to upgrade in March or April to it.
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Microsoft will not be delivering Windows 7 in June. This is just marketing hype to generate interest. They can't afford another half-baked OS like Vista was on release and still is somewhat now with many legacy apps and hardware taking the fall. It'll be more like late fall with OEMs and then 2010 in retail.
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Microsoft will not be delivering Windows 7 in June.

Are you questioning the veracity of the great Rob Enderle?!?

I am flabbergasted, etc...!
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Quicktime X eh.......(googles).. how on earth did that slip by me, first I have heard of it, exciting. When was this announced? Thanks for the heads up, have been deep in code for months, and I'm obviously losing touch!

It's slipped a lot of folks notice in that there is literally only one sentence you are allowed to print about it. If you google it you find that it "... optimizes support for modern audio and video formats resulting in extremely efficient media playback." Everything but that one line is under NDA.

This boilerplate is almost al that you will find about it, which (to me) is what makes it highly suspicious and interesting. Given that this (possibly complete re-write?) of Quicktime is being done at a time when the whole OS is being re-written to 64 bit modern specs, and given the recent patents we have heard about it, could be a very interesting development indeed.

We don't really know of course, but rumours include a web plugin that will run almost any form of dynamic media (including flash) faster than flash can, and addressable by javascript. Add the new super-fast Safari to the mix and you have not only the fastest multimedia web experience possible, but a standards based one as well.

Regardless of the details of what happens with Quicktime, I would think that MSIE 8 will eventually have to jump on Apple's webkit bandwagon to even compete. Silverlight is already an "also-ran" technology, and Flash is quickly becoming irrelevant.

Quicktime always was a better technology. It's what MS originally stole to create "Video for Windows." It never took off, but it was mostly because of market based reasons, not technical ones. Now that Apple is the new darling, perhaps it's finally Quicktime's day in the sun.
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Microsoft will not be delivering Windows 7 in June. This is just marketing hype to generate interest. They can't afford another half-baked OS like Vista was on release and still is somewhat now with many legacy apps and hardware taking the fall. It'll be more like late fall with OEMs and then 2010 in retail.

Given that Windows 7 is really just a tweak of Vista though, all bets are off timing wise.

It's just a slightly different UI on top of what we already know as Vista. They could box up the tech demo they showed Enderle and call it Windows 7 already.
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Believe it. It's a "security" issue. Steve Jobs and his gang have committed so many acts of perjury and fraud, that they need maximum security now in order to protect them from getting legally served with even more lawsuits.
Even when he does get served by courts, they somehow weasel him out of it and he is able to somehow not show up to court and get away with it.

On another note, I am flabergasted by the sheer number of computer illiterates still out there.

People, Apple is just a marketing company and that's all.

I am truly amazed that people buy these obsolete buggy iGarbage from apple...Hats off to their marketing department for conning and brainwashing so many idiots out there...But, I bought an HP iPaq for a couple of hundred dollars - it came with a phone, full featured GPS with voice directions, and oh yea a full Windows Mobile OS long before Crapple's iPhone ever existed.

And why would anyone pay over $3000 for a crippled, obsolete-out-of the box Apple Mac OS X computer? I bought an HP pavillion laptop, fully loaded, with DVD/Blue Ray, Super Hi-res wide screen, 2 Gig RAM, HD Tuner, built-in web cam etc. etc. etc. for under $1000

And Apple Mac OS X is based on FreeBSD, an open-source Unix look-alike, available FREE for the PC back in 1992, with a artsy-fartsy GUI. Whoopy Doo..

It is too expensive, too buggy, and the only software available is a bunch of dinky puzzles written by 14 year olds. No engineering or scientific applications available for "Mac OS X"...

Apple has a long history of fraud, racism and corruption...Steve Jobs and Nancy Heinen (and her shyster subordinates) are both knowing criminal participants in the stock options scam, and were caught trying to cover it up.

They were caught red-handed in early 2006 when a former employee who was cheated out of all of his stock after being wrongfully dismissed, filed a lawsuit against Apple Con-puter.
In short, dont waste your time and money on apple...
As for the news that he is dying: Good Riddance for all the misery Steve Jobs and his gang of uneducated delusional self-important iRetards at Apple brought us.
I mean ALL of them. Peter Graffagnino, Scott Forstall, their crooked HR department and their so-called "engineers" (highschool dropouts)

We will never forget what happened....

PS: If Apple was supposed to be "invulnerable" to viruses, why are there so many security fixes being passed around? Even with all of Apple's virus and spyware vulnerabilities...which i'Tard would target a virus against an con-puter "OS" used by 2% of people out there?
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STEVE JOBS' KEYNOTE MESSAGE LEAKED!

Steve Jobs' highly anticipated message for June 6, 2005 World White Developer conference has been leaked.
Important details of the message have been identified and summerized as follows:

HARDWARE ANNOUNCEMENTS
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- Apple Computer's Steve Jobs once again plans to delight audiences by announcing the Orange Light on its famed Powerbook/iBook computers will be replaced by a Flashing Green light! Steve jobs will proudly claim 36 months of Research and Development by Apple's White Engineers in an effort that included a close collaboration with the Heald College and ITT technical institutes' schools of Basket Weaving of which many of Apple's Engineers have dropped out from in order to work at Apple.

- Steve will then debut the new Power Macintosh which is a blazing 7mHz faster and features a Sky-Blue power light, unlike its predecessor, the slower Power Macintosh with the Yellow Light.

- Steve will then move on to new iPod announcements. Apple Computer's advanced Scientific Engineering Research labs, staffed by 20 of the world's most renowned high shool graduates, has recently discovered that the new Hitachi mini hard disk drives now have a 100 gigabyte capacity! In an unrelated announcement, a 100 gigabyte iPod will be announced as well as a high capacity Grapefruit iPod Photo! Apple anticipates that competing companies such as iRiver, and Creative Labs will soon declare bankrupcy as a result of Apple's innovations. "We're gonna sell a million of these", he will say.

- Steve will invite head Skinheads of Apple's Cute Plastic Box design group, Dan Riccio and Jonathon Ives, to show off their latest plastic box designs including one which will -- you guessed it - house the new iPod Glowie: A new iPod that is now available in 5 flavors!
Flourecent Orange, Red Ripe Watermelon, and Juicy Cantelope! Jonathan declares the Cute Plastic Box Design Group as a certified Ni*ger and Spy-Free Environment.

SOFTWARE ANNOUNCEMENTS
======================
- According to rehearsals, Steve will then roll up his sleaves and start digging into the
new Dashboard features of Apple's Mac OS X TIGER! Steve will explain Dashboard's features to the audience including TIGER's biggest surprises -- A Stock Ticker dashboard and a Weather Update Dashboard! Steve will explain that "Yes, programs already exist on Windows XP that do this stuff", and "Sure you can easily get the latest weather by typing in your ZIP code on Weather.com and get the latest Stock Quotes by typing in your Ticker symbol at MSN.COm, but hey I think we did it better therefore we invented it first."

- Steve follows up with Mac OS TIGER's demo to the audience by restarting a Mac 10 times and showing that Mac OS X now only crashes 1 in 5 times, and Mac OS X Tiger's applications now crash only 1 in 3 times while you still get the "The Application *** has crashed, but your OS is running perfectly fine." message, there by demonstrating the highly "reliable" software being developed at Apple's super secret engineering and scientific laboratories. The slow 5 minute startup time of Mac OS X will be blamed on the PowerPC. Steve will then surprise the audience by announcing the usage of INTEL CPU's in Macs which will magically fix all the bottlenecks in its poorly written and buggy software eventually.

-Mac OS X TIGER-related announcements will be wrapped up by Scott "Foreskin" Forstall and Peter Graffagnino who will once again go through "Cocoa" Application kit features which were acquired 8 years ago from Apple's purchase of NeXT Computer, and remind everyone how insanely great these features are, again. Scott and Peter also certify their respective groups at Apple as Certified Spy/Ethnic-free with full ethnic cleansing operations almost completed.

- Final Cut Pro will be put head to head against Microsoft's Windows Movie Maker. Steve will explain that Final Cut's slow performance and $1000 price tag against Windows Movie Maker's $0 Free, standard distribution and fast speed are simply the "price you pay for the Apple Advantage".

- Steve concedes to the audience the truth on Apple's "Innovative Slow Down" in the last few years and explain it as the result of the end of a complex agreement with Microsoft, signed in 1997 which expired 5 years later in 2002 where Apple agreed to stop filing bogus lawsuits against Microsoft in exchange of access to all of Microsoft's patent filings during that 5 year period.
Steve will then dismiss allegations of Apple's lack of progress in its product lines in the last 10 years being due to termination of non-white, ethnic and other qualified staff in favor of dropouts.

- Steve Jobs concludes the announcements with the launch of www.AppleCharity.com, a site where Apple's numerous enthusiasts can submit their credit card numbers and select from several Donation Plans which allow fans to pay directly for the sole cause of keeping Apple in business.
The plan works as follows:
- Tangerine Donation Plan $50 per month
- Orange Donation Plan $999, of which $400 will be used to buy Apple Stock
- Gold Donation $5000, which will be evenly distributed to Steve Jobs's Stock analyst and Investment Analyst friends.
- Later Steve Jobs gaurantees that no (White) Developers shall be layed off from Apple computer in the next two (2) years, in a separate staff meeting on the same day!
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If Snow Leopard comes out early and is buggy and Windows 7 comes out and is OK-ish, then Apple lose this round. If Apple have a release ready, then it's better to do QA for a few months, and release on the same day as Microsoft. With few user-visible features, they will be judged on stability first and then performance.

And I don't see the value in showing early releases. It just gives Microsoft more time to copy it all. Get it ready, release it, then pump the PR machine when they have a stable, fast system. The Wow doesn't need to start now, nor the Boom so soon.

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Add the new super-fast Safari to the mix...

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Safari's getting SquirrelFish.

Hope we'll see a couple other things too - Push Notification Server and MobileMe's iDisk link-to-file feature (and where's MobileMe's little number badge on the Mail webapp icon).
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It's slipped a lot of folks notice in that there is literally only one sentence you are allowed to print about it. If you google it you find that it "... optimizes support for modern audio and video formats resulting in extremely efficient media playback." Everything but that one line is under NDA.

QuickTime is about a lot more than just playback. But, QuickTime X is focused on that one aspect. Consider how the the QTKit API covered playback first, and the rest of the toolkit later. Also, consider the current QuickTime's difficulties with some multiplexed formats, like MPEG-1.
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I guess we'll have to wait and find out then.

They'll probably demo the iDildo

For a second I thought you were talking about Laura Dildo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_DiDio

And then there's that other joke known as Rob Enderle.

http://daringfireball.net/2003/12/enderle
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It's also used on this little thing called the iPhone.

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Quicktime- on- iPhone? Really? Somehow I missed that App? or how the camera records Quicktime video?
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It's slipped a lot of folks notice in that there is literally only one sentence you are allowed to print about it. If you google it you find that it "... optimizes support for modern audio and video formats resulting in extremely efficient media playback." Everything but that one line is under NDA.

This boilerplate is almost al that you will find about it, which (to me) is what makes it highly suspicious and interesting. Given that this (possibly complete re-write?) of Quicktime is being done at a time when the whole OS is being re-written to 64 bit modern specs, and given the recent patents we have heard about it, could be a very interesting development indeed.

We don't really know of course, but rumours include a web plugin that will run almost any form of dynamic media (including flash) faster than flash can, and addressable by javascript. Add the new super-fast Safari to the mix and you have not only the fastest multimedia web experience possible, but a standards based one as well.

Regardless of the details of what happens with Quicktime, I would think that MSIE 8 will eventually have to jump on Apple's webkit bandwagon to even compete. Silverlight is already an "also-ran" technology, and Flash is quickly becoming irrelevant.

Quicktime always was a better technology. It's what MS originally stole to create "Video for Windows." It never took off, but it was mostly because of market based reasons, not technical ones. Now that Apple is the new darling, perhaps it's finally Quicktime's day in the sun.

In Snow Leopard the Quicktime hierarchy will go like this. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong but I think I've got the gist of it.


Quicktime 7- Will remain for legacy support and will remain a C based API.

QTKit- Puts a Cocoa face onto Quicktime and functions a bit like a traffic cop.

Quicktime X- Playback only and lightweight. Should support modern codecs and prove to be more extensible about adding future codecs.

Developers now will be able to leverage both API by simply writing to QTKit and QTKit will parcel out the resources to the most suitable API.

It sounds like a good compromise because a total rewrite of Quicktime would surely cause many bugs and problems for legacy apps.
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Snow leopard sounds so 70's.
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Snow leopard sounds so 70's.

Bow Chicka Bow Bow

Where's the porn music?
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I can't see how Snow Leopard will ship early. Despite the aforementioned "lack of features", it's actually quite an undertaking. Consider the to do list:

1) All Apple apps 64-bit: Right now, only a couple of Apple's own apps are 64-bit.
2) All Apple apps Cocoa: The Finder, iTunes, and QuickTime, all have some Carbon elements.

...


There's no way they're delivering this early.

I'm not sure why point #1 is an issue one way or the other. If I understand Windows 64-bit, you have to have a 64-bit app on 64-bit Windows, and you have to have 32-bit apps on 32-bit Windows. On OS X, it's not like that. It can run 64 bit apps now, and it will be able to run 32 bit apps when it's Snow Leopard.

And my reading was that Carbon wasn't being expunged from OS X entirely. So still having a bit of Carbon might not kill it.
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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

Bow Chicka Bow Bow

Where's the porn music?

Yeah- right? iPorn on the iPod like Dave Chappelle.
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Quicktime- on- iPhone? Really? Somehow I missed that App? or how the camera records Quicktime video?

Quicktime X
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And I don't see the value in showing early releases. It just gives Microsoft more time to copy it all.

The idea that MS has to wait for Apple to publicly release their OS to copy the features is silly. First of all, if they really wanted to get secret information I think they'd have the means to do so. But second - and this makes the first point moot - they happen to still be the biggest developer of Mac apps outside of Apple. Remember that software package called 'Office'? I wouldn't be surprised if MS (and Adobe) have earlier access to Snow Leopard betas than most other developers, or at least have in the past with prior OS X releases.

And then there's the issue of how quickly MS could implement a new feature once they find out about it...
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I am looking forward to this demo. Not as good as a Stevenote, but I will still enjoy a presentation on Snow Leopard I think.
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If Snow Leopard comes out early and is buggy and Windows 7 comes out and is OK-ish, then Apple lose this round. If Apple have a release ready, then it's better to do QA for a few months, and release on the same day as Microsoft. With few user-visible features, they will be judged on stability first and then performance.

And I don't see the value in showing early releases. It just gives Microsoft more time to copy it all. Get it ready, release it, then pump the PR machine when they have a stable, fast system. The Wow doesn't need to start now, nor the Boom so soon.

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The idea that MS has to wait for Apple to publicly release their OS to copy the features is silly. First of all, if they really wanted to get secret information I think they'd have the means to do so. But second - and this makes the first point moot - they happen to still be the biggest developer of Mac apps outside of Apple. Remember that software package called 'Office'? I wouldn't be surprised if MS (and Adobe) have earlier access to Snow Leopard betas than most other developers, or at least have in the past with prior OS X releases.

And then there's the issue of how quickly MS could implement a new feature once they find out about it...

Yeah, what were you thinking PXT? Microsoft always copies the next to latest iteration of OS X - sometimes even the one before that!

They're probably just beginning to rip off Leopard's features for Windows 7. From early screen shots, it appears they've finally got a Dock knockoff as well as the contextual menus that pop up when you click-and-hold on Dock application icons.





Oh and look, Windows 7's Leopard Stacks knockoff:

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Quicktime X

OK... for anyone who doesn't know...

QuickTime X is the video presentation technology from iPhone...

It only supports playback. We are not talking about Quicktime the Application itself, that can still rely on the old non-playback calls - the backend of the old quicktime is still there...

Its just they are allowing ways to actually play that data and make it ultra-efficient.

This will strongly benefit apps like iTunes and Quicktime itself...
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I've stopped caring about resolution independence. I've seen bupkiss evolution in the PPI of LCD panels.

We won't see RI in monitors until Kodak's work on OLED makes it affordable for large screen displays.

December Interview with Kodak Pioneers in OLED:

http://www.oled-info.com/kodak-oled-...-oled-lighting

Read it carefully: Solid State Lighting coming first.

Latest status on OLED technology from Kodak that includes Screen displays.

http://www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQueri...q-locale=en_US
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We won't see RI in monitors until Kodak's work on OLED makes it affordable for large screen displays.

December Interview with Kodak Pioneers in OLED:

http://www.oled-info.com/kodak-oled-...-oled-lighting

Read it carefully: Solid State Lighting coming first.

Latest status on OLED technology from Kodak that includes Screen displays.

http://www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQueri...q-locale=en_US

Man you always have the best links!

You know afer posting that it dawned on me that RI works both ways. The ability to increase the size of UI helps in some cases for very small screens as well. I notice how effective the zoom features in screencasting apps becomes.
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Man you always have the best links!

You know afer posting that it dawned on me that RI works both ways. The ability to increase the size of UI helps in some cases for very small screens as well. I notice how effective the zoom features in screencasting apps becomes.

I appreciate the compliment.

I'd imagine that dashboard displays could zoom in and out, with RI, for map directions [Google Maps/Yahoo Maps on steroids] and more.

GPS systems being able to scale in and out, rapidly, around the globe that fit in the palm of your hand would be quite useful for Military, Medical, Forestry, Biologists. etc.
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You are probably correct, however, nobody really knows how long Apple has been working on it.

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I can't see how Snow Leopard will ship early. Despite the aforementioned "lack of features", it's actually quite an undertaking. Consider the to do list:

1) All Apple apps 64-bit: Right now, only a couple of Apple's own apps are 64-bit.
2) All Apple apps Cocoa: The Finder, iTunes, and QuickTime, all have some Carbon elements.
3) Grand Central.
4) OpenCL.
5) 64-bit kernel.
6) 64-bit drivers.
7) Quicktime X.
8) (Last but certainly not least) Microsoft Exchange support.

There's no way they're delivering this early.
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JC the only problem with your list is this. None of us knows how long Apple's been working on the aforementioned technology.

Grand Central was probably started after Panther shipped. We have heard that OpenCL has been a multi-year investment in engineering. Quicktime-X is coming from the iPhone and is only a playback mechanism. Apple's Pro apps have been evolving fairly slow. Final Cut Studio hasn't had a significant upgrade in 2 years. Logic Studio in almost a year and a half. Aperture in a good year.

I think that a March delivery is do-able. They will show SL at MW and deliver a new beta. The beta increase in frequency through mid february hitting RC status and manufacturing puts the OS available sometime by mid March.

Pretty good man, only took you one paragraph to take the plunge yourself. If none of us know how long they have been working on this stuff how is it that a March delivery is do-able?
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What I'm more interested in knowing is how Apple plans to monetize Snow Leopard. They can't give it away for free but are they doing any favors by trying to charging full price?

It is a new OS version so it will be $129.00, which will have some people complaining, while others will not. There is no law stating what criteria has to be met to be able to call an OS "new".

Apple has stated that "Snow Leopard" will have out-of-the-box support for MS Exchange, but did they say they will not offer MS Exchange support for "Leopard" in an update? It could be done if Apple creates a Framework specifically for MS Exchange support.
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Pretty good man, only took you one paragraph to take the plunge yourself. If none of us know how long they have been working on this stuff how is it that a March delivery is do-able?

The most predictable human response is denial. We are generally cautious by nature it seems. I'm attempting to be a bit more pragmatic. Carbon= deprecated, PPC support is gone, iPhone is now coasting along and looking good. Apple has some of the most productive engineers in the world and now that they don't have worry about evolving Carbon and Cocoa concurrently their lives have likely gotten a whole lot easier. I imagine that after the holliday Apple does a full court press on Snow Leopard and gets that sucker out fast. I could be wrong but I'm betting that 2009 is vastly different than 2008.
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Apple has stated that "Snow Leopard" will have out-of-the-box support for MS Exchange, but did they say they will not offer MS Exchange support for "Leopard" in an update? It could be done if Apple creates a Framework specifically for MS Exchange support.

I doubt they'd do that. Apple don't seem to like adding major features to existing OS versions.
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QuickTime X is the video presentation technology from iPhone..

Yeah, and it's also marketing wrapped in a fancy name.

Like "Cocoa", of which there is actually no chocolate inside.
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Yeah, and it's also marketing wrapped in a fancy name.

Like "Cocoa", of which there is actually no chocolate inside.

Whatever will you do when Carbon is finally gutted from OS X? Whine some more?
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The most predictable human response is denial. We are generally cautious by nature it seems. I'm attempting to be a bit more pragmatic. Carbon= deprecated, PPC support is gone, iPhone is now coasting along and looking good. Apple has some of the most productive engineers in the world and now that they don't have worry about evolving Carbon and Cocoa concurrently their lives have likely gotten a whole lot easier. I imagine that after the holliday Apple does a full court press on Snow Leopard and gets that sucker out fast. I could be wrong but I'm betting that 2009 is vastly different than 2008.

And with Cocoa they actually can afford to relocate a large group of engineers to work on other application group projects and future projects.

As an example: SQA at Apple in 1998 was > 500. SQA at NeXT in 1996 was < 30. The huge immediate jump was the necessary dealings that required the testing of Classic, the addition of Carbon and the slow addition of Cocoa.

We're almost at the point of gutting the first two. The numbers of SQA for the OS will drop and be reshuffled to other projects all of which can use the help.
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Whatever will you do when Carbon is finally gutted from OS X? Whine some more?

I'm going to presume that comment was not intended for me, given what my comment actually was.

As the Woz just said recently; over the last few years the latest version of OS X just brought him up to date really. Cocoa is not magic pixie dust, and neither will Quicktime X be. As with everything, use in the real world will reveal more than promises ever will.

I'm not whining, I'm just being realistic. I'm not whining at all, that would be useless.
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I'm going to presume that comment was not intended for me, given what my comment actually was.

As the Woz just said recently; over the last few years the latest version of OS X just brought him up to date really. Cocoa is not magic pixie dust, and neither will Quicktime X be. As with everything, use in the real world will reveal more than promises ever will.

I'm not whining, I'm just being realistic. I'm not whining at all, that would be useless.

Realistic? I'd go with skeptical/cynical.

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Yeah, and it's also marketing wrapped in a fancy name.

"Marketing wrapped in a fancy name." So it's not even real, just marketing speak, when in reality, QuickTime X already exists in the iPhone/iPod touch. So in fact, it appears you're being unrealistic and...a tad facetious.
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I'm going to presume that comment was not intended for me, given what my comment actually was.

As the Woz just said recently; over the last few years the latest version of OS X just brought him up to date really. Cocoa is not magic pixie dust, and neither will Quicktime X be. As with everything, use in the real world will reveal more than promises ever will.

I'm not whining, I'm just being realistic. I'm not whining at all, that would be useless.

Cocoa has been running around with one hand tied behind it's back because of Carbon. The amount of time Apple spent kissing the collective asses of Microsoft, Adobe and Macromedia has finally paid off, because of the iPod and the iPhone having OS X ported to them.

Now that freedom gets returned in spades.

Quark was smart to move it's applications to Cocoa.

Adobe Lightroom was a smart move for Adobe.

Microsoft Office no longer has leverage with Open Office 3.0 and soon Applescript built-into Open Office 3.1, plus full Cocoa.

Microsoft is now embracing ODF 1.2. They either embrace it or see the single biggest money making portion of their entire corporate structure dwindle away.

Why? Over 90% of the nearly 24 Million OpenOffice 3.0 downloads come from Windows.

Only 3.7% come from OS X.

Hell, almost 5% comes from Linux.

Apple can continue to extend their Office suite, add ODF and actually leverage Open Office 3.x through Services ala Cocoa.

Apple's in a sweet position.
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