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post #81 of 91
12/20/08 at 11:02pm
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

Cocoa has been running around with one hand tied behind it's back because of Carbon. The amount of time Apple spent kissing the collective asses of Microsoft, Adobe and Macromedia has finally paid off, because of the iPod and the iPhone having OS X ported to them.


Microsoft Office no longer has leverage with Open Office 3.0 and soon Applescript built-into Open Office 3.1, plus full Cocoa.

Apple can continue to extend their Office suite, add ODF and actually leverage Open Office 3.x through Services ala Cocoa.

Apple's in a sweet position.

They are indeed and they didn't even have to seriously encroach on Adobe or Microsoft's territory all that much. iWork is a good program but it's not going to supplant Office in big companies.

Honestly I rarely run across developers that have issues with Cocoa. No it doesn't scramble your eggs for you and make the bed but there's a lot of stuff you get "free" with it. Cocoa hasn't been able to grow as quickly because Carbon was sapping resources. I read a good summary regarding WWDC 2008 (no NDA was broken) where it was made clear to developers that many of the things they had to call Carbon for will be handled in Cocoa in SL. Apple's fixing the areas where Cocoa hadn't gotten a foothold.

We can now get back to "rapid" development.
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post #82 of 91
12/21/08 at 2:57pm
What happened to the page 3 replies? It gets redirected to page 2. Deleted, perhaps, and the navigation links not updated?
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post #83 of 91
12/21/08 at 4:04pm
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What happened to the page 3 replies? It gets redirected to page 2. Deleted, perhaps, and the navigation links not updated?

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post #84 of 91
1/5/09 at 10:55pm
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Exchange support comes from ActiveSync from MS

Actually it comes from Microsoft embracing SOAP and XML through Exchange Web Services.
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post #85 of 91
1/6/09 at 8:50pm
so.. was it actually demoed?
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post #86 of 91
1/7/09 at 6:31am
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so.. was it actually demoed?

Doesn't seem so
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post #87 of 91
1/7/09 at 10:51am
I know I am saying this with hindsight.
But isn't Mac World supposed to be a consumer centric show?

Snow Leopard is not supposed to have any new consumer facing features. All the cool new stuff is under the hood. If you want to talk about Grand Central and Open CL - perhaps WWDC might be a better venue.

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post #88 of 91
1/7/09 at 11:47am
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I know I am saying this with hindsight.
But isn't Mac World supposed to be a consumer centric show?

Snow Leopard is not supposed to have any new consumer facing features. All the cool new stuff is under the hood. If you want to talk about Grand Central and Open CL - perhaps WWDC might be a better venue.

C.

Exactly

What exactly are they going to demo that consumers would care about.

Exchange support? Yeah sure if you have Exchange Enterprise Server sitting in your home.

Snow Leopard will come out when it's ready and I hope it contains a LOT of little tweaks and polish. I'm happy with the current featureset ..let's fix a lot of the little niggling problems.
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post #89 of 91
1/8/09 at 1:29am
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Doesn't seem so

indeed. shame. i do hope it's not too far off, though. i've decided i'm a bit overdue a good clean out of my system and the release of a new OS (esp one geared at efficiency and stability) would be a great time to do this.
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post #90 of 91
1/8/09 at 1:59am
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indeed. shame. i do hope it's not too far off, though.

However, no demo may mean that it will be released well after the initial estimation; if so, then this lead us to the autumn, at least, of this year.
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post #91 of 91
1/8/09 at 2:16pm
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I'm not sure why point #1 is an issue one way or the other. If I understand Windows 64-bit, you have to have a 64-bit app on 64-bit Windows, and you have to have 32-bit apps on 32-bit Windows. On OS X, it's not like that. It can run 64 bit apps now, and it will be able to run 32 bit apps when it's Snow Leopard.

And my reading was that Carbon wasn't being expunged from OS X entirely. So still having a bit of Carbon might not kill it.

Your understanding is correct, but a slight clarification is needed:

Windows XP/Vista/7 64-bit can run both 32-bit and 64-bit applications concurrently. But like Snow Leopard when released, all drivers must be 64-bit since the kernel is 64-bit. An important question is whether Apple will have enough 64-bit drivers support from third-party vendors and for its line of hardware.

Windows 32-bit can only run 32-bit applications (and 16-bit applications using emulation).
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