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post #41 of 157
Publishing rumors like these are the reasons that blogs will never be taken seriously as journalism. Gizmodo is only harming legitimate bloggers in its quest for more clicks and viewers.

How bad does the economy have to get before Gizmodo publishes a "rumor" that Jobs is dead just to get a few more page views?

The people running that joint should be ashamed of themselves.
post #42 of 157
If you play the latest 'Get a Mac' ad backwards, it says "Steve is Dead". Honest! (Hey, would I lie to you???)
I never get tired of being right all the time... but I do get tired of having to prove it to you again and again.
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I never get tired of being right all the time... but I do get tired of having to prove it to you again and again.
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post #43 of 157
I worked at a Whole Foods Mkt. for a few years in the late 80's/early 90's. There is a certain stereotypical vegan health nut; they can be both thin and a bit crazy. But this is a stereotype, and it's no more true that all vegans are thin and/or crazy than it is that all carnivores are gun-toting rednecks.

Also, it's not clear that the contributors to this thread know the difference between vegetarian and vegan. Vegetarians avoid animal flesh, vegans avoid all animal products, even milk and eggs. True vegans are pretty rare. Nonetheless, it's entirely possible to be healthy on either diet. And weight is a completely independent issue. You don't have to be a carnivore to consume carbs and fat. I've known more than a few vegetarians with a sweet tooth. And take a look at the fat content on soy products-they're not diet items.
post #44 of 157
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Originally Posted by g3pro View Post

LOL. Did you seriously email that tripe to the SEC?

Apple fanbois are out of control.

What exactly is 'out of control' with a citizen emailing a complaint to a public official?

And, who the heck are you to pronounce judgment on this, anyway?
post #45 of 157
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Originally Posted by wilco View Post

Are you for real?

Anyone still holding Apple stock at this stage of the game deserves whatever they get.

In stating something like that, you must have a price prediction in mind. So, if you're for real, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and buy puts on AAPL?

And, tell us how it all panned out at maturity?
post #46 of 157
Unfortunately, even with the Reality Distortion Field turned up to 11, anybody is going to look gaunt and emaciated next to Phil Schiller.

I for one welcome the era of morbidly obeese keynote speakers.

Seriously, Steve is healthier than 90% of the fat cat CEOs in America today.
Steve is seen everyday in the cafeteria.
If there was a problem, they wouldn't be able to hide it.
We wouldn't be hearing a single anonymous tipster to a gadget site.
When a real journalist gets multiple sources then it's time to worry.
post #47 of 157
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Originally Posted by MacOldTimer View Post

So by your logic every time AppleInsider posts "Rumors" about unsubstantiated rumors about a new Apple product they should be reported to the SEC?

Rumor sites just like this one can and have moved the stock price.

When it gets personal (as in Steve Jobs health) it's illegal to pass along another rumor because the "rumor" is negative?

If Apples stock is tied that closely to Steve's health then Apple needs to make a public announcement (preferably by Steve Jobs) and stop the rumors.

Anything else by Apple would be irresponsible to the stock holders.

It's interesting that no one has commented on this post -- and also the fact that Apple Insider is parroting this story despite the fact that you guys are crying for Gizmodo's head.
post #48 of 157
I find the comments today quite weird.
1) Stock market is time invested. Had I purchased Apple Stock when I had the chance I would have made significant return on investment even at today's current price.

2) Many complaints of Jobs in the past seem to not be the case as much now. A) He is showing much more gratitude to those working at Apple. B) He has been sharing the stage more with others who work at apple. I can remember years ago complaining about "What will happen to Apple after Jobs?" or "Jobs is an egotistical jerk." So, Jobs has been the in the process over the last couple of years or reproducing himself.

3) If I'm not mistaken, Jobs doesn't do everything at Apple. So, someone else has to be designing, writing code, testing, coming up with ideas, etc. Apple is not just one man.

4) Timing of new products is important. And nearing or at the bottom of an economic slowdown may not be the best idea to launch a new product that people may not buy, or if they do, will not be in numbers that would make the product a "success." Further, having new products launched just before or at the beginning of major shopping seasons would seem to make more sense.

5) How often has Apple been complained about for showing a new whatever in January, set a target date, missed it, and then ticked everyone off because of the delay? Apple controlling their product launch cycles makes way more sense.

6) Apple has cancelled appearances before, so this is nothing new.

I could be wrong on all this, and I think mostly the comments on AppleInsider are good. But this thread seems way out in left field. Even if his health may be the reason, there seem to be far more reasons that make Apples move a smart move regardless of Jobs health.

Funny how it is in America that we always like to knock down the top dog.
post #49 of 157
Looks like the real deal to me

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Steves health is rapidly declining. Apple is choosing to remove the hype factor strategically vs letting the hype destroy apple when the inevitable news comes later this spring.

Looks like Steve is going to step down later this spring.
post #50 of 157
Gizmodo is a joke.

A few hedge funds proly gave them some nice kick-backs for posting the story...at the most random time ever.

also jizmodo is owned by the big corporates.....they proly needed to drive the traffic up..to keep their endless supply of web searchers , i mean bloggers, i mean journalists.
post #51 of 157
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

In stating something like that, you must have a price prediction in mind. So, if you're for real, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and buy puts on AAPL?

And, tell us how it all panned out at maturity?

Yes, that's what it's going to take to get me back into the market during this economy -- an anonymous challenge from some internet nerd.
post #52 of 157
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Originally Posted by McDavies View Post

One day Steve will leave. It's going to happen. He won't be 150 and running the company.

Exactly. I think that for a few minutes maybe a couple of hours Apple's stock will go down (maybe that is a buying opportunity) and then the market will realize that Apple is fine without Steve and everything will be fine.

Steve Jobs is going to be a hard act to follow but imagine if you are the man who drove Apple to a greater height after Steve? You will walk on water!!!!!!

Arvi
post #53 of 157
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Originally Posted by iOrlando View Post

Gizmodo is a joke.

A few hedge funds proly gave them some nice kick-backs for posting the story...at the most random time ever.

Really? Then what is AI receiving for covering it? I've noticed that other Apple-oriented sites haven't touched the story yet.

"Proly"?
post #54 of 157
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Originally Posted by wilco View Post

Really? Then what is AI receiving for covering it? I've noticed that other Apple-oriented sites haven't touched the story yet.

"Proly"?

thought the same..... proly...you know probably....

macrumors is the best apple rumors site out there...run by arnold kim...and he knows better to touch the crap rumor.
post #55 of 157
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Gadget blog Gizmodo is causing a stir this afternoon with a new report alleging that Apple has mislead the public about the reasons behind its exit from Macworld Expo, claiming Steve Jobs' deteriorating health is to blame for the matter.

Pernicious bloody speculation
post #56 of 157
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Originally Posted by bloodymatzohball View Post

hmm, I am starting to believe it is possibly true that he has a health problem. If this is proven, I think it could possibly be very bad for apple if he dies (god forbid). I thought all of these were just rumors, but I think there are just too many too ignore anymore. I think apple needs to tell us something. NOW.

Dude they keep saying he's fine, what the heck do you want them to say, that he's not, or I guess they are lying, why the heck should the man have to give the details of his health to the whole word, I feel sorry for the dude, this must be traumatizing for him.
post #57 of 157
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Originally Posted by g3pro View Post

LOL. Did you seriously email that tripe to the SEC?

Apple fanbois are out of control.

Look at this one, why shouldn't he email it, some of your are utterly ridicilous, I doubt if it was your health that people were "gossiping" about on the internet, you sure as heck wouldn't like it.
post #58 of 157
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Originally Posted by OriginalMacRat View Post

He's also a hard core Vegan. Hard to maintain any real body weight when you don't eat real food.


no he's a pescatorian, eats fish but not meat.
post #59 of 157
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Originally Posted by MacTel View Post

Yeah, if Jobs' health was in jeopardy then I would believe he would be stepping down from the CEO role and even from the board.

It is strange that we have not publicly seen Steve in awhile and if he doesn't at least pop-in via video link at MacWorld then I'd give more credit to these reports.

So when is he supposed to show up, is he supposed to give a live a video conference every week showing that he's a live, wasn't he at the notebook event and their earnings report, I guess the guy should be walking the mall so that everybody know he's fine.
post #60 of 157
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Originally Posted by MacOldTimer View Post

So by your logic every time AppleInsider posts "Rumors" about unsubstantiated rumors about a new Apple product they should be reported to the SEC?

Rumor sites just like this one can and have moved the stock price.

When it gets personal (as in Steve Jobs health) it's illegal to pass along another rumor because the "rumor" is negative?

If Apples stock is tied that closely to Steve's health then Apple needs to make a public announcement (preferably by Steve Jobs) and stop the rumors.

Anything else by Apple would be irresponsible to the stock holders.

What a dumb azz coment, why don't you come out and give your private health information out in public.
post #61 of 157
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Originally Posted by aaka View Post

Exactly. I think that for a few minutes maybe a couple of hours Apple's stock will go down (maybe that is a buying opportunity) and then the market will realize that Apple is fine without Steve and everything will be fine.

Steve Jobs is going to be a hard act to follow but imagine if you are the man who drove Apple to a greater height after Steve? You will walk on water!!!!!!

Arvi

history...


Steve founds Apple = Apple does well

Steve leaves Apple = Apple does bad

Steve comes back = Apple does good

Steve leaves again = ?????


that is why there is worry about his health.



I think Apple's lack of 'outright dismissal' of this rumour speaks volumnes, they are still pushing the same line from when the first MW announcement was made.

If SJ is well then all he has to do is appear at a press conference and say he's fine. He's the CEO FFS!! its his job to do that...protect the stock.
post #62 of 157
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Originally Posted by Adjei View Post

What a dumb azz coment, why don't you come out and give your private health information out in public.

becuase he doesn't have to do it..legally..like some people do!


I also think Giz must be happy with their source or they wouldn't print it. Getting this... badly wrong could finish them.
post #63 of 157
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Originally Posted by Adjei View Post

What a dumb azz coment, why don't you come out and give your private health information out in public.

Why don't you take your blinders off -- his point still stands. You people are jumping all down Gizmodo's throat for posting this "rumor", but I don't see any backlash against Apple Insider for propagating the "rumor". Where are the letters to the SEC about Apple Insider spreading "rumors".

That being said, I agree with him. Apple Insider posts rumors about Apple and Apple-related topics ALL OF THE DAMN TIME. And they have on more than one occasion posted about Steve Jobs's health be it substantiated or not. So now that Gizmodo does a big story on it, people go ape s**t and start huffing and puffing.

Get over yourselves, IT'S JUST A COMPANY!!! Steve Jobs isn't your friend. Apple isn't your friend. You folks take this stuff way too personally.
post #64 of 157
The last time I remember this much rampant speculation about someone's health was when rock fans were wondering about the health rumors of Freddie Mercury.

Oh wait, maybe that's a bad example.

There's got to have been someone out there who's seen the guy in the past couple months. We get pictures of Obama walking around without a shirt, can't the paparazzi back of Britney and get some Steve shots instead?
post #65 of 157
A hit piece written by hack lacking ability and credibility.
post #66 of 157
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Originally Posted by g3pro View Post

LOL. Did you seriously email that tripe to the SEC?

Apple fanbois are out of control.

So are the Apple haters, case in point.

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Originally Posted by g3pro View Post

Exactly. Trying to blame the stock price decline of AAPL on a news story about something that EVERYBODY already knows, which is that Steve Jobs has cancer and is not healthy, while ignoring that Apple is a luxury company during a depression, is frankly moronic.

Weren't you one of those that said that Apple's profits and sales volume were going to decline in this recession? And you're continuing this kind of talk despite the fact that they've both consistently grown by leaps and bounds in the last four quarters being recession? You're now also calling it a depression, it's not yet and no one really knows that's going to happen, it's all either fears or fear mongering.
post #67 of 157
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Originally Posted by Galley View Post

Steve's not gonna let the Grim Reaper take him until he's damn well ready.

I thought heard that Steve fired him. Was real nasty about it, too.
post #68 of 157
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Originally Posted by Archipellago View Post

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Originally Posted by Adjei View Post

What a dumb azz coment, why don't you come out and give your private health information out in public.

becuase he doesn't have to do it..legally..like some people do!

Who is publicly compelled to report their health?
post #69 of 157
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Who is publicly compelled to report their health?


A CEO of a listed company if he/she believes it materially affects them doing their job.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/26/bu...QnUY3A9yNO0GsQ



“The question surrounding any kind of corporate disclosure always is: Is it material?” said Larry S. Gondelman, a lawyer with Powers Pyles Sutter & Verville. “And there is no bright line test in determining materiality.” A spokesman for the Securities and Exchange Commission said that the law defined materiality as information that “the reasonable investor needs to know in order to make an informed decision about his investment.”



bearing in mind the enormous credit Jobs is given for Apple's recent upsurge, I think it would be disingenious to suggest that his health is immaterial.
post #70 of 157
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Originally Posted by Wozzienet View Post

I find the comments today quite weird.
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3) If I'm not mistaken, Jobs doesn't do everything at Apple. So, someone else has to be designing, writing code, testing, coming up with ideas, etc. Apple is not just one man.

Apple certainly needs someone with vision steering the boat, to keep it ahead of the pack and to keep forcing the company to innovate rather than imitate, but you are right - Apple has a ton of corporate momentum moving in the right direction.
post #71 of 157
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Originally Posted by g3pro View Post

Exactly. Trying to blame the stock price decline of AAPL on a news story about something that EVERYBODY already knows, which is that Steve Jobs has cancer and is not healthy, while ignoring that Apple is a luxury company during a depression, is frankly moronic.

You probably think people are arbitrarily associating this rumor with Apple's general stock price. Did you see this today?



The spike down is from the rumor. That spike cost options and day traders massive amounts of money, and made other people a lot of money. If gizmodo is found to have manipulated the market for gain, those people will go to prison. This is a big deal.

Now who's the moron? Go learn a few things about the stock market before you post.
post #72 of 157
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Originally Posted by McHuman View Post

You probably think people are arbitrarily associating this rumor with Apple's general stock price. Did you see this today?



The spike down is from the rumor. That spike cost options and day traders massive amounts of money, and made other people a lot of money.

Now who's the moron? Go learn a few things about the stock market before you post.


given whats happened this year to all stock markets you could argue that anyone with ANY involvement in the stock market is a moron.

Betting with fraudsters will never be successful.
post #73 of 157
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Originally Posted by wilco View Post

Are you for real?

Anyone still holding Apple stock at this stage of the game deserves whatever they get.

For every seller, there's a buyer. So, yes, "anyone" is still holding Apple stock.
post #74 of 157
Of course AppleInsider is also to blame for spreading this bullshit rumor beyond Gizmodo.
post #75 of 157
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Originally Posted by Archipellago View Post

given whats happened this year to all stock markets you could argue that anyone with ANY involvement in the stock market is a moron.

Betting with fraudsters will never be successful.

I lost money this year with other people, but I'm still way richer than any of my friends and coworkers who have been too scared in the past decade to play the game. The only moron is someone who doesn't invest or save their cash, because it gets slaughtered against inflation without them even knowing it.
post #76 of 157
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Originally Posted by Adjei View Post

Look at this one, why shouldn't he email it, some of your are utterly ridicilous, I doubt if it was your health that people were "gossiping" about on the internet, you sure as heck wouldn't like it.

You are correct. I'd do the responsible thing for the company and the stock holders and hold a press conference to put the subject to rest.

Apple nor Steve Jobs has done the responsible thing and are acting irresponsible by not doing so.
post #77 of 157
Steve Jobs will get well when the Hedgefunds and Short Sellers cover and go long on Apple. At that time, I'm sure they will announce a complete cure to pump the stock.

They've ground Apple stock down for a year with the help of writers and analysts that love reporting a problem whether it's real or not! It's all BuLL!
post #78 of 157
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Originally Posted by wilco View Post

Yes, that's what it's going to take to get me back into the market during this economy -- an anonymous challenge from some internet nerd.

Heh heh. I guess you need to google the phrase 'put options.'

And, geniuses like you only prove the old dictum that talk - esp. anonymous talk in internet forums like these - is cheap.
post #79 of 157
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Originally Posted by McHuman View Post

You probably think people are arbitrarily associating this rumor with Apple's general stock price. Did you see this today?



The spike down is from the rumor. That spike cost options and day traders massive amounts of money, and made other people a lot of money. If gizmodo is found to have manipulated the market for gain, those people will go to prison. This is a big deal.

Now who's the moron? Go learn a few things about the stock market before you post.

Then so will AppleInsider for continuing to spread the rumor.

They are simply quoting an unsubstantiated rumor. That isn't illegal or this site would have been shut down years ago.

Apple needs to do the right thing and have Steve Jobs hold a press conference.
It's either Steve's arrogance or his health that are stopping this.

Either way it's Apple's responsibility to address the issue.
post #80 of 157
LA Times is now running the story based on Gizmodo's piece:

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Another day, another Steve-Jobs-is-sick rumor to drive down Apple's stock price.

Gizmodo, the well-respected gadget blog, reported today that a source who has been reliable in the past said Jobs' health was "rapidly declining" and that the Apple chief executive's health troubles were the real reason why he wouldn't give the keynote address at the Macworld Conference & Expo next Tuesday.

The Gizmodo report, though hedged by the blog as unconfirmed, reversed Apple's stock gain on the day (shares had been trading up but then fell before closing at $86.29, down 32 cents. Tom Petruno at the Money & Co. blog notes that day traders may have seen opportunity in the renewed concern about the health of Apple's high-profile CEO, who fought off pancreatic cancer a few years ago and has appeared gaunt recently.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/tech...jobs-illn.html

And The Street:

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SAN FRANCISCO -- So much for any future one-on-one interviews with Apple(HMC Quote - Cramer on HMC - Stock Picks) CEO Steve Jobs running on the tech blog Gizmodo. Citing a "solid source," the blog decided Tuesday to go where few have wanted to tread: pronouncing publicly that Jobs' health is declining rapidly. Gizmodo's source, who the blog says has been "100% correct" when passing along product scoops, says this is why Jobs wouldn't give his traditional keynote address at the company's MacWorld Expo in January, as the company announced earlier this month.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/10455...cm_ven=GOOGLEN
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