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I don't really understand why people are so disappointed. .

Oh I don't know. Maybe its the Mac mini which hasn't been updated since... I'm not even sure. It's been maybe two years?

What about no quad core machines unless you get a Mac Pro? And no Nehalem machines?

I'm sure that Apple will have some 'special' event in 60-90 days. But really, the wait is getting ridiculous for next generation (quad core cpus, Nehalem, cutting edge graphics chips) hardware in Macs.

Its legendary how SJ felt frustrated by the lack of progress in PPC chips (3.0 ghz G5 anyone?) yet even now when on the Intel platform they drag their feet in updating machines to the latest and greatest.

Who's to blame now? IBM?
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My guess is that Apple will hold a special event for the Mini, Mac Pro, and iMac upgrades sometime in the next 2 to 3 months.

That's my thought as well. Intel isn't ready yet with Xeon Nehalems so new Mac Pros aren't ready. It just makes more sense to do a dedicated Desktop Special Event for the Mac Mini, iMac, and Mac Pro than to break them up separately. This is especially true if they plan to physically redesign the Mac Mini and Mac Pro to bring them in line with the iMac/notebook unibody design to present a unified product line. They are also probably waiting for the rest of the LED Cinema Displays for the Mac Mini and Mac Pro. They may also be waiting for the 55nm shrinks of the GT200 for the Mac Pro. There's probably going to be an event late January or early February for desktops.
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If not, then which year rolled out less?

MW-NY 2001 -- no hardware introduced or updated (with the G3 still in the iMac and the PowerMacs at 400, 450, and 500 mhz for nearly 2 years), and the audience received a lecture on the MHZ Myth.
post #44 of 236
The last couple of Keynotes, the audience just sat there bored with the occasional polite applause. I don't blame apple for wanting to stop doing this, it's usually anti-climactic. Just because the Mini and others weren't featured, doesn't mean they won't come out soon. Apple is disengaging.
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post #45 of 236
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idk. Certainly several before the second steve jobs era were worse, and in recent history, off the top of my head I'd say the keynote that featured iCards, and they keynote with the flower power / blue dalmation iMacs.

The iCards one was in 2000, and it also was the last before the release of OSX so there was a major demo of that.

I guess if you go far back enough you can find a worse one, but this definitely seems like the worst since Jobs took over the company.
post #46 of 236
The 17incher is the sweetness. Freakin beautiful. Would love to have a Blu-ray drive in the thing for the price though. Speaking of which, I wonder what kind of battery life it would get with a Blu-ray drive?

Regardless, I too, as some have mentioned, was looking forward to any news on Snow Leopard for this MacWorld. Ah well, hopefully soon.
post #47 of 236
17" - what is up with Apple not supporting a build-to-order option for an internal Bluray drive that supports large backups that other vendors offer for less than $300? Do we have to wait for Final Cut Pro Studio 3 at upcoming NAB?
post #48 of 236
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The iCards one was in 2000, and it also was the last before the release of OSX so there was a major demo of that.

I guess if you go far back enough you can find a worse one, but this definitely seems like the worst since Jobs took over the company.

Meh. We had major software demos at this one too. iPhoto and iMovie look fantastic. I think ScottiB has the worst one nailed.
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post #50 of 236
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Oh I don't know. Maybe its the Mac mini which hasn't been updated since... I'm not even sure. It's been maybe two years?

What about no quad core machines unless you get a Mac Pro? And no Nehalem machines?

I'm sure that Apple will have some 'special' event in 60-90 days. But really, the wait is getting ridiculous for next generation (quad core cpus, Nehalem, cutting edge graphics chips) hardware in Macs.

Its legendary how SJ felt frustrated by the lack of progress in PPC chips (3.0 ghz G5 anyone?) yet even now when on the Intel platform they drag their feet in updating machines to the latest and greatest.

Who's to blame now? IBM?

Apple has never updated their hardware as fast the the Dell's of the world. But all they have to do is slap the new chip or motherboard into one of their old cases and they are done. You'll get your quad core macs this year. Just not right NOW.

And besides.. the Quad Core Xeons are not even available yet. So they couldn't upgrade their Mac Pros.
post #51 of 236
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Originally Posted by italiankid View Post

Horrible show...
Just a MacBook Pro?
What happened to all these new hardware coming out???

I hope these new softwares can run on our aging fleet of Mac's!

Mac mini - VERY OLD
iMac - OLD
Mac Pro - VERY OLD

They didn't even bring the prices down on these old products... Apple will give sales to PCs if they don't bring out new hardware ASAP! And if they do... THE WORLD WAS WATCHING TODAY AT MACWORLD EXPO! They should have done it with a BANG! I guess Steve (God Bless him) but his health has put a damper on Apple... That means without him Apple is in deep trouble... It's no wonder Phil did the show... All about software and one hardware - YAH!

The cinema displays are even older - they need a refresh, even if they don't go LED due to high cost.
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Apple has never updated their hardware as fast the the Dell's of the world. .

I know that.

But I've seen quad core desktop machines at Office Depot for 3 months.

Its pretty mainstream except for Macs.
post #53 of 236
Whelp, that was underwhelming. But I'm sure my friend who keeps buying 17" Macbooks is happy.
post #54 of 236
Wow a $2800 notebook with a 9600m for poor gaming at 1920x1200 resolutions. And DDR3 ram at DDR2 speeds! Along with a non removable battery.
Color me impressed.

No imacs, no minis, no snow leopard demo. Lame.
post #55 of 236
Anyone else find it interesting that Apple gives the option of 8 GB of memory? It means that the NVIDIA chipset can do 8 GB just fine -- meaning that the 15" MacBook Pro ought to be able to take 8 GB too.

*Hoping for a firmware update for his 15" MBP*
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Wow a $2800 notebook with a 9600m for poor gaming at 1920x1200 resolutions. And DDR3 ram at DDR2 speeds! Along with a non removable battery.
Color me impressed.

Wow...because you want to game on a MacBook Pro?
post #57 of 236
Their are no slot loading BR drives that fit the Mac Book Pro.

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17" - what is up with Apple not supporting a build-to-order option for an internal Bluray drive that supports large backups that other vendors offer for less than $300? Do we have to wait for Final Cut Pro Studio 3 at upcoming NAB?
post #58 of 236
And that'll run you a very cool $5,250 for a maxed out 17" MBP.
post #59 of 236
Love the updates, Apple. Keep them coming.
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Are there real performance gains or increase in sales directly because of quad core? Or does it only allow you to brag that your computer goes up to 11.

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I know that.

But I've seen quad core desktop machines at Office Depot for 3 months.

Its pretty mainstream except for Macs.
post #61 of 236
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Originally Posted by gugy View Post

Lame MWSF.

Steve passed the torch to Phil to avoid the embarrassment of announcing no big deal products.

I guess Apple indeed did not like MWSF anymore. What a horrible way to end the keynotes experience there.

Hopefully soon a special event will bring what we are really looking for.

Yes I agree that a special even is what we are looking for. Since I bought the 15" MPB only in November I am glad that Blu-Ray is still a bag of hurt. Would have been pissed if it showed up this time. A special event with Steve on stage will be a treat. If all goes a predicted with his treatment, perhaps we can see something in six months or so.
post #62 of 236
I'm not taking the "8-hour battery" on faith. Apple has made extravagant performance claims before which were not borne out in real-world testing. Still, if they claim 8, it might be, say, 6, which would certainly be a major step forward.

But, other than transoceanic passengers, how important is this?
post #63 of 236
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Originally Posted by italiankid View Post

Horrible show...
Just a MacBook Pro?
What happened to all these new hardware coming out???

I hope these new softwares can run on our aging fleet of Mac's!

Mac mini - VERY OLD
iMac - OLD
Mac Pro - VERY OLD

They didn't even bring the prices down on these old products...

I'm guessing that the iMac/MacMini will be updated when Mac OS 10.6 comes out, or else shortly after the Calpella platform. But I won't hold my breath for it.

It seems logical to update the AppleTV concurrently with new LED-backlit displays to add a DisplayPort to it, and sometime after February 17, 2009 in hopes of incorporating a digital tuner.
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Originally Posted by Booga View Post

...While I agree little was introduced, I find myself wanting to buy all of it. So I'm not sure this was unsuccessful for Apple....

Somehow there is always one little thing in iLife that makes me want to get it....but I don't use it much.

I find the 17" MBP a weird choice to roll out at this event. How much of a consumer device is that anyway?? I have to say, it's the one Mac I find myself least likely to ever buy. I'm sure plenty of people want it, I'm just curious as to who they are. Who are you 17" MBP buyers????
post #65 of 236
When has the Apple notebooks ever been a good gaming platform?

DDR2 and DDR3 have other differences than only speed, their is power consumption and latency.

You skipped over the fact that the non-removable battery last 8 hours.

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Originally Posted by archer75 View Post

Wow a $2800 notebook with a 9600m for poor gaming at 1920x1200 resolutions. And DDR3 ram at DDR2 speeds! Along with a non removable battery.
Color me impressed.

No imacs, no minis, no snow leopard demo. Lame.
post #66 of 236
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Originally Posted by scottiB View Post

MW-NY 2001 -- no hardware introduced or updated (with the G3 still in the iMac and the PowerMacs at 400, 450, and 500 mhz for nearly 2 years), and the audience received a lecture on the MHZ Myth.

Looking up archives, it looks like that one updated the imacs and the mac towers. Looks like it was 866 and dual 800 g4s.
post #67 of 236
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I agree it was the worst MacWorld ever. ...

Not to pick on you personally, but the hyperbole on this thread is super-duper waay out of control.

"Worst keynote ever?" Come on.

It was pretty much exactly the same as any of Steve's presentations. Heck the wording was almost the same. It's just a script and anyone can read it. The introduction of two new software suites is hardly nothing.

The new iWork seems to add most everything that was "missing" making it a serious competitor to Office now. For instance Pages has mail merge which is the only feature in Word that was stopping our University from adopting it and sending Microsoft Office out to pasture.

The online component is also a massive deal.

If it wasn't for Engadget making all those stupid remarks on their coverage and failing to actually, you know, cover the details of the presentation people wouldn't be bitching so much I guess.
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post #68 of 236
I would imagine the 17" MBP outsells the Mac Pro.

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I find the 17" MBP a weird choice to roll out at this event. How much of a consumer device is that anyway?? I have to say, it's the one Mac I find myself least likely to ever buy. I'm sure plenty of people want it, I'm just curious as to who they are. Who are you 17" MBP buyers????
post #69 of 236
Good
- New battery technology
- LED 1920x1200 Display is nice
- 4GB memory limit removed is nice, but should have been available two years ago. Hopefully they fixed the memory limitations in the other laptop models. Its completely unacceptable if they limit the other models.

- built-in battery is a bad idea, although the new battery tech is welcome. I doubt that most people will see anywhere near 8 hours on a charge unless you have the screen brightness down, and are not doing anything that is taxing the processor or GPU.


BAD

- Glossy display only I'm sure (woops scratch that...)

- Even if the battery has a greater lifetime, $200 for a new battery???? JESUS!

- 5400RPM harddrive standard?? In a freaking $2500+ pro laptop?

- No quad-core? And yes, low power mobile quad-core chips are available.. (besides the fact that they could easily customize one with Intel or downclock it if it gave off too much heat.)

256GB SSD sounds nice, but It all depends on how it performs. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple used a slow ass SSD.
post #70 of 236
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We had major software demos at this one too.

There's no way you can say that updates to iLife and iWork are remotely comparable to the last major demo of OSX before release (and I believe the first time the aqua look was showed off).

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Apple has never updated their hardware as fast the the Dell's of the world. But all they have to do is slap the new chip or motherboard into one of their old cases and they are done.

All APPLE has to do in many cases is slap in faster chips, in fact that's exactly what many of their speed bump updates are. While there are new chips coming out soon, there are still plenty of things that could have been upgraded in all their models over the past year.

Part of the reason there is such a sour reaction is because apple has been waiting so long to update. Apple whines about being tied to the keynotes, yet they still go months between updates anyway.
post #71 of 236
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I agree it was the worst MacWorld ever. But that may have been the point.

Apple definitely needs a refresh of these other machines and that will likely be a different launch.

Perhaps they will host their own special event next month to showcase the desktop Macs. Perhaps they are waiting on Intel to ramp up production of certain chips or wouldn't have had the new Mac desltops ready until February (or later) so they didn't bother including them in this keynote.
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post #72 of 236
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Are there real performance gains or increase in sales directly because of quad core? Or does it only allow you to brag that your computer goes up to 11.

There are performance gains and you know it. Do you feel the Mac Pro is a fraud?

VMWare and handbrake are two apps I use that would benefit from more cores and more cpu grunt.
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Are there real performance gains or increase in sales directly because of quad core?

Yes, there are real performance gains. What kind of question is that, you really think they throw in extra cores just to make the box harder to cool?

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"Worst keynote ever?" Come on.

It was pretty much exactly the same as any of Steve's presentations.

OK, so it's just the worst since Jobs returned to Apple. Happy?
post #74 of 236
Apple has learned from the past to not clutter up a single event with too many products.

If the new iMacs and Mac minis/pros are just speed bumps, they may roll out with a simple press release two weeks from now (or later). If they've changed significantly, they'll be another Apple event in early February.

Here are some additional possible interpretations over the lack of new hardware intros:
1. (Positive view) Desktop sales weren't very bad (relative to PCs).
2. (Negative view) There's too much inventory still left to bring out new models.
3. (Negative view) They're having serious problems with the new models.
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post #75 of 236
Strictly my opinion from what I've seen this has been the dullest to date. I was completely bored through the iLife presentation. iLife is fun to use, but not sexy enough for an hour long demonstration.

I think Apple should have made MW '08 its last. I don't like that they left it like this.

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Not to pick on you personally, but the hyperbole on this thread is super-duper waay out of control.

"Worst keynote ever?" Come on.
post #76 of 236
Something people don't realize it.

The Keynote iPhone app is huge. PowerPoint is showing its age. Keynote is a better presentation software already, with the iPhone app, it will be serious driver to get the mobile professionals to switch to Mac side.

The significance of this MacWorld is the attack on MS Office.

Mac Pro will be updated at WWDC. That's their event for professional level machines.

Mini and iMac are for home users and education market. There is no point to update them right now. Most likely, they will be updated around March, to give the school lab some time to evaluate them for the new school year.

So, Apple is pacing itself - iMac refresh in spring, Mac Pro in summer, laptops in fall. That's a pretty good schedule for the Mac side.

On the mobile side, I am guessing the iPhone refresh will be in summer (WWDC) and iPod refresh will be fall (November, for the Xmas shopping season).
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256GB SSD sounds nice, but It all depends on how it performs. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple used a slow ass SSD.

I wonder which brand(s) they are using for their SSDs.

I would think that their will be some professionals that will really like the large SSD, 2.93GHz option with 8GB RAM and matte display.
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post #78 of 236
Damn what happened to all those rumours that went around, I mean who was feeding y'all those rumours. This is the worst macworld ever, glad Apple is leaving it. There must be another event coming up because there can't be a way all those rumours were that wrong.
post #79 of 236
Most applications cannot make any real use of 4 cores.

At this point most of the time you are going to see better performance from a duo 2.8 than a quad 2.0.

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Yes, there are real performance gains. What kind of question is that, you really think they throw in extra cores just to make the box harder to cool?
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There's no way you can say that updates to iLife and iWork are remotely comparable to the last major demo of OSX before release (and I believe the first time the aqua look was showed off).

I guess I was less excited because while sure it looked cool, as I recall it was pretty clear that it was going to be over a year before it was actually released. The software shown today will be in our grubby little hands in a couple weeks. (1 year, 9 months for 10.1, which was the first really usable version).

Steve Jobs said one more thing and everyone was expecting revamped powerbooks and instead we got freakin iCards.


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All APPLE has to do in many cases is slap in faster chips, in fact that's exactly what many of their speed bump updates are.

Which is also why there is no earthly reason to expect them as part of a keynote. They'll be here, and they'll be here soon.
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